Slashdot Mirror


Russia Builds Microwave Weapon To Take Down Enemy Drones (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Russian government is backing a military research project to develop a powerful microwave-based weapon designed to take out unmanned enemy drones from up to half a mile away. The country's United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation (UIMC) created the microwave gun specifically to disrupt the electronics of enemy missiles. Using the ultra-high frequency waves the weapon can completely disable aircraft communications, resulting in loss of control. The destructive rays, which belong to a group of warfare technologies known as directed-energy weapons (DEW), will be emitted from surface-to-air Buk missile systems. Military analyst Alexander Perendzhiyev noted that the new weapon would be particularly effective against systems carrying microelectronic equipment. He also suggested that the impact of the radio-electronic waves could even be deadly to humans -- and referred to potential use against terrorists.

155 comments

  1. years behind by darkain · · Score: 5, Funny

    I own a "microwave weapon" too. Man, have you tried eating a burrito straight out of the microwave? That'll kill anything!

    1. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It seems the article news is old as well. Russia had this weapon deployed during the annexation of Crimea.

    2. Re:years behind by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      hot pocket... frozen on the outside molten lava on the inside...

    3. Re:years behind by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

      Hopefully if it comes to war against Russia we'll have something better to fire at them than Hot Pockets, although based on the candidates for 2016 I'm not filled with confidence.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    4. Re:years behind by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      I see your microwaved burrito and raise you one mcdonald's hot apple pie....pure, face melting, lava.

    5. Re:years behind by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Using Burritos as weapons has been banned since the development of the Egg, Broccoli and Bean burrito that was later dubbed "El Stinko Grande". This also lead to new safety protocols for test kitchens...

      El Stinko Grande, unsafe at any temperature!

      --
      You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
    6. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't bring myself to eat snot pockets anymore.

    7. Re:years behind by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Have you not read the packaging? It says to let stand for a minute before eating.

      Oh, right, this is Slashdot. If people cannot be bothered to read the articles then it should not be a surprise if they do not read the heating instructions on a burrito.

      --
      I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
    8. Re:years behind by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      A big war is most likely inevitable but with who knows and not for the reasons publicized in media... sure there will be some issues moral or otherwise, disagreements exaggerated and blown out of proportion and used as an excuse but in the end it will be entirely an economic motivation that really turns the screws.

    9. Re:years behind by sabri · · Score: 0

      It seems the article news is old as well. Russia had this weapon deployed during the annexation of Crimea.

      Yes. More specifically, they used a BUK system to shoot a passenger airliner, Malaysian MH17, out of the sky.

      I have yet to see anyone charged with murder over this.

      --
      I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
    10. Re:years behind by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Silly Wabbit.. docs and instructions are for those that don't already know it all!

      --
      09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B - D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    11. Re:years behind by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      All wars are resource wars.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    12. Re: years behind by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Or their coffee; pure crotch-melting java. ;)

    13. Re:years behind by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It says to let stand for a minute before eating.

      If it says only 1 minute then the packaging is negligent.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    14. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In much the same way as a US destroyer shot down an Iran air flight.
      I have yet to see anyone charged over that either.

    15. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Progress: the apologists for Russia have stopped denying it was them.

    16. Re:years behind by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      A big war is nigh on an impossibility. You know all those ass hats, those scum sucking psychopaths who skulk around in the background of every war, those that drive the war safely hidden in the background because yeah, they are gutless cowards. Well, it seems in the next big war, they wont be safe and they will die at random with the rest of us or spend the rest of the lives hiding in a hole in the ground dependent upon the mercy of others (that whole societal structure they have warped so that it will serve them and them alone, gone).

      They ain't that stupid, sick and insanely greedy egoistic arse holes, sure but chicken shits to the end, no big war that puts their lives at risk, no way, no how. Not that stupid things can't happen in their big bluff shell game but only stupid little things can happen, a ship here or a plane there or the follow up series of assassinations for breaking the rules, targeted at those in the background.

      Of course if you country is no threat, watch out, you could be targeted for a war without end, just like Syria and Libya. They are quite content to break down authority in your country so that as many of your citizens kill as many of your citizens as possible and get as many as possible to flee to other countries and to let that go on for ever (ISIL what a pack of schmucks fighting for Israel all along). Regularly firing munitions (exploded and unexploded to feed the conflict) into the country, to help it keep going and going and going (boy are a bunch of EU members going to be pissed).

      Material aid to terrorism, apparently HRC can be impeached from day one, completely and totally legally and without any hope of defence except more bullshit. The reason why they kept in going, seems like they were having fun feeding their egos on the carnage they were creating not for them make believe computer games, they need real life carnage to feed their egos.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    17. Re:years behind by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Raytheon has been advertising this weapons system for more than 20 years in Aviation week and Space Technology.

    18. Re: years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the laugh

    19. Re:years behind by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Everyone who cared knew it was a Russian SAM that shot down the plane back when it happened. The Russians seemingly thought it was an An-124 Ruslan of the Ukrainian Airforce air resupplying a nearby military base they had surrounded with their little green men. The big question is why was a civilian airliner overflying a known conflict zone to begin with. It's not like that war started that day. It had been going on for a while. Shit happens.

      Of course the Russians are going to deny anything involved with their little hybrid war. You think the US wouldn't do a war like this? Remember the Bay of Pigs incident? Heck it's happening in Syria right now.

    20. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Generals and Majors always
      Seem so unhappy 'less they got a war" - XTC

    21. Re:years behind by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The most plausible theory I've seen is that it was a Russian weapon, but not necessarily a Russian operator. Remember Russia wanted to keep plausible denyability, so they were limited in how many men they could send - smuggling a weapon across the border was enough of a risk, but a crew of trained radar and SAM missile operators would have been worse. So it's quite possible the air defence system was being operated by a rebel fighter who had been given some hasty, incomplete training, or by a Russian covert operative who had no experience with such a weapon. This would explain why they were unable to distinguish a civilian airliner from a military aircraft, and why they didn't check against freely-published civilian flight schedules.

    22. Re:years behind by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Not all wars. Many are, yes. But there are also political wars, and ideological wars.

    23. Re:years behind by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A bigger question is what kind of subhuman oaf shoots at something when they don't know what it is.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    24. Re: years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did pay damages I believe.

    25. Re: years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not on Hillary. Following legal orders? Would you say the same about a President Powell? You are maybe a hand puppet?

    26. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All wars are schizophrenic wars, anything else is mere rationalization. Sorry no girl will spontaneously follow you.

    27. Re:years behind by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Ah, but Politics and Ideology are frequently just frameworks regarding resource allocation.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    28. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dick Cheney

    29. Re:years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, forgot to take the meds today?

  2. Half a mile is nothing by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    This Blighter/Evenlode combo is much more interesting: http://www.blighter.com/news/p...

    --
    Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
  3. Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1, Troll

    Thanks to the incompetence of the US not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria, you have drones ending up w/ ISIS, and now the Russians have to figure out a way to get them downed.

    A nuke here or there on Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs, Hama, would fix things for good

    1. Re:Syrian drones by aliquis · · Score: 1

      A nuke here or there on Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs, Hama, would fix things for good

      I'm not 100% convinced they are themselves responsible for their behavior and that US foreign and security politics and former British and French one haven't had its share in what have become of the area. But even if it was and even if it all was nuked what about western and northern Europe? Kick them out first or nuke us too?

    2. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to the incompetence of the US not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria

      (a) You know the US isn't the only foreign power in Syria? There was a big section of the French primary debate last night discussing it (in more detail than the US presidential debates!).

      (b) And what is the "right" group to back? Sometimes a situation is just bad.

    3. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      riiiight, or you know they could be getting their consumer drones (that's what they are using, not military) from the same source as their Toyota trucks. Ordered direct from the manufacturer or some middle man.

    4. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nuke here or there on Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs, Hama, would fix things for good

      Why worry about helping people, when you can just kill them all?

    5. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The right group to back is to stay the fuck out of someone else's mess. Let the Syrians sort it out amongst themselves.

      Without US (i.e. corporate US interests) meddling in the middle east there wouldn't be Al Qaeda, ISIL and all these other nut jobs. It's all US funded crap to destabilise governments so that US corporate interests ca take over their banking and oil production.

      If you haven't worked this out for yourself you've either had your head up your ass for the last decade or two or you're retarded.

    6. Re:Syrian drones by cfalcon · · Score: 0

      >A nuke here or there

      Your solution is to kill about 2 million civilians? What war are you fighting in your head, that such a price would even be worth considering, much less paying?

      And that is before even thinking of the fallout- both figurative and literal- of such an attack?

    7. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the self-centered Libertarian answer -- "well, it's too complicated, let's go stuff our heads in the sand instead, because the world revolves around us!"

    8. Re:Syrian drones by Nehmo · · Score: 2

      Thanks to the incompetence of the US not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria, you have drones ending up w/ ISIS, and now the Russians have to figure out a way to get them downed.

      A nuke here or there on Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs, Hama, would fix things for good

      What do you mean "not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria"? We (I mean the US) back ISIS and their cannibal associates. Meanwhile, we tell the public we are fighting them. The public isn't sophisticated enough to understand complicated monetary relationships. They don't understand us being allied with the ones who supported the hijackers either. The public is so dumb.

      --
      (||) Nehmo (||)
    9. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I was about to respond to GP, but you beat me to it! That's my point - taqfir wars, or 'mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the most Islamic of us all' contests in that region is none off our business (get lost, John Doone), and we have nothing to gain by getting involved.

      If we were honest about Muslims and recognized them as the savages that they are, we'd have a State Department advisory to all Americans advising them not to travel to Muslim countries in the first place so that they don't get into trouble. Then you wouldn't have issues like US prisoners in Iran, nor would you have had the beheadings of various US journalists and aid workers in Syria. But we lied to them telling them that things there are hunky dory, Muslims are wonderful people just like the rest of us, and there was no problem w/ people going there. Then they start getting beheaded and you have an outcry in the US wanting to get rid of ISIS.

      TL:DR fact about Syria: different Muslim groups are at war to decide who will control the country. Who wins won't make a qualitative difference: Syria will still be a country that doesn't tolerate different faiths living in harmony - just like Iraq has become. Just stay out of there, and don't take their people into Europe. If Syrians have to flee, let them flee either into safe zones within Syria, if any, or into neighboring Arab or Muslim countries, like Iraq, Turkey, Jordan, Iran or Saudi Arabia. There is no reason why either the EU or the US has to take them in.

    10. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 0

      Of course. Like Germany helped them, and then there came a day when hundred of their citizens were raped by these refugees in various cities. Remember that, the next time TIME or National Geographic shows you those award winning photos of Achmed from Aleppo. Gary Johnson had it right!

    11. Re:Syrian drones by stabiesoft · · Score: 0

      You are as dumb as trump. Next you'll be telling us to nuke NK. Here is a hint. China backs NK and would retaliate if anyone hit NK hard. Syria is backed by Russia in the same way. Clue, Russia has a base on the Med. Sea in you guessed it, Syria. Ever wonder why Russia really wanted Crimea? Can you say port on the black sea.

    12. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Kick them out. If they have to leave Syria, they can go to neighboring Arab or Muslim countries, where at least their rape culture would be understood by their neighbors, or where they wouldn't dare do it in the first place. Any of Syria's neighborhood countries - Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Iran - would be good

    13. Re:Syrian drones by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 0

      Thanks to the incompetence of the US not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria

      That reminds me of a very prophetic point made by some Middle East expert I saw on a news program during the run-up to the 2003 Iraq War:

      "I don't know what they expect the outcome of this is going to be. There are no George Washingtons in Iraq."

      Well, that certainly turned out to be the case.

      The same undoubtedly applies to Syria. The set of "right groups to back in Syria" is empty.

    14. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about Trump? Besides, the story - and ergo, my comment, was about the Russians nuking those places, not the US. As it is, Russia has been bombing Aleppo. I just added those other cities to the list

    15. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 0

      They are civilians all right - until they get admitted into Europe and start raping the local populace

    16. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, b'cos FedEx/DHL/UPS/Bluedart/Amazon all operate in Syria

    17. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 0

      No, the Libertarian answer is 'It's none of our business, let's not go there'.

      I'd have supported the Libertarians, just if those idiots hadn't supported open borders. They have no issues w/ unlimited number of Muslims coming into this country

    18. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has been living rent free in the heads of libtards ever since the "build a wall" days.

    19. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It makes me sad to see messages like this written or modded up. You're implicitly assuming that Americans and Muslims are distinct groups. I'd seriously cry if I hadn't heard that so many times.

      Also, you're failing in basic geography, by forgetting Lebanon and Israel are neighbors to Syria, and that Iran and Saudi Arabia are not.

    20. Re:Syrian drones by amicusNYCL · · Score: 0

      You want the United States to use nuclear weapons on a country fighting a civil war, which also happens to host Russia's only port in the Mediterranean, or even beyond the Bosporus for that matter. A base which Russia sees as essential, hosted in a country which is also a major arms customer. And you want us to nuke it. What's Russia going to do, sit there and spin?

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    21. Re:Syrian drones by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      A civilian committing a crime, even a capital offense, is still a civilian. The issue you refer to is not really related to the one being discussed. It should obviously go without saying that mass murder is not the answer.

    22. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1, Troll

      Excellent point!!! This is the very issue w/ the Bush Doctrine, which was derived from the Sharansky principle of 'Democracy being the antidote to wars and oppression'.

      The theory w/ which the US intervened in Iraq was that once that country became democratic, it would become a pluralistic society tolerant of all minority groups. Until that was put into practice, and one saw Iraqi Shiite militas attacking Christian liquor shops, and persecuting Christians, forcing them to flee to Syria(!!! Of all places) Why? B'cos the Sharansky principle doesn't apply to Muslims.

      This is b'cos Islam is not a 'live and let live' religion. Beyond their boundaries, they are about converting or suppressing or fighting non-Muslims. But it doesn't end there. Even if the rest of the world were to decide to collectively embrace Islam, it wouldn't solve the problem. Why? B'cos there'd be the issue of which is the true Islam? Is it Sunnite or Shiite? If it's Shiite, should one go by the Ayatollahs of Iran or Najaf? If it's Sunnite, should one go by the Saudis, or the al Azhar geniuses in Cairo, or the al Qaeda pooh baahs in Fuckistan, or the headchoppers of ISIS in Raqqa? Who do we go by? And if we went w/ any one of them, we'd be duty bound to fight to the end those who bought into different interpretations of Islam. And that's what one has in both Iraq & Syria today.

    23. Re: Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is the sort of racist and ignorant stuff most thinking people reject. When you stereotype entire groups of people and can't see how wrong it is, you sir are an idiot.

    24. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem in the Middle East is Middle Easterners...

    25. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, I was talking about Russia

    26. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I... I can't even read this xenophobic shit anymore. Post goatse links throughout, it's less abominable. And then to see that you got modded up?

      Bye, Slashdot. I've seen it go downhill for the past 15 years, but this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

    27. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea how this stuff works man, none at all. You're ignoring the fact that ISIS doesn't have military grade drones, which would be what we are using there. We haven't done a drop of consumer grade drones so they wouldn't have gotten any drones from the US. ISIS is using consumer grade drones made in China that they did not get from the US or any activity of our military there. They are using the exact same shit you and I could buy right now, that is if you want the FBI to come knocking on your door, which they will do if you purchase a drone from China and have it shipped to the US.

      You're not only fear mongering, but you're buying into the fear mongering that Trump and the like keep spewing out of their assholes, you know the hole in the middle of his face that keeps spewing toxic shit.

    28. Re:Syrian drones by gtall · · Score: 1

      The right group to back in Syria? Are we talking about the same country with Alawites allied with Christians against Sunnis allied with Allah and backed by some spoiled twat from Turkey with Iran hovering behind the scenes willing to keep Syria to the last Arab and funding Hezbollah to spice up the mixture a bit? That Syria?

      A nuke on Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs, Hama would fix nothing. The entire MidEast would erupt, it might even bring the Shi'ites and Sunnis to start male-on-male kissing each other in public. And broaching the nuclear threshold isn't such a bright idea if we'd like to keep Pakistan and India from allowing their crazies to have at it. And there's nothing stopping the Norks from slipping one to the many Arab "charities" who will feel it their duty to carry it to NYC and let it off.

    29. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, Slashdot has gone to utter shit so badly the editors post worse flamebait than the old trolls.

    30. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would that accomplish their intended spread of the societal cancer they call a religion?

      CAPTCHA: broaden

    31. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One less Muslim apologist is a win for this site.

    32. Re:Syrian drones by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      When I read stuff like this, I get happy that this mentality was not present in WW2.

      Just think - the Nazis occupy a city and stay there (maybe even strap a Jew to each tank - they are going to be exterminated either way, so might as well put them to good use). The Allies now cannot attack the city because civilians will get killed, they cannot even destroy the tanks because there are Jew children strapped to them. All the allies can do is to use sniper rifles to try to kill the soldiers or just politely ask them to "come out and fight". They cannot even lay siege to the city without providing food, water and medical aid for those inside.

    33. Re:Syrian drones by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Syria is backed by Russia in the same way.

      Russia is backing the Syrian government. I am quite sure that they sould gladly allow the US to nuke, say, Raqqa or some other rebel held city, hell, the Russians would most likely help with their own nukes.

      Though nukes are not the answer - contaminating the area for a long time is ineffective. Better use neutron bombs or poison gas, that way the still intact buildings can be left intact, while still solving the problem.

    34. Re: Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when are you booking your vacation ticket to the moslem utopias of Yemen, Pakistan or Syria ? Taking the missus and kids too ?
      Enjoy !

    35. Re:Syrian drones by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > I get happy that this mentality was not present in WW2

      Don't put words in my mouth. Fire bombings and atomic weaponry were deployed then for very different reasons than OP is talking about. Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined were like a quarter of a million deaths, not the two million he glibly wants to exterminate for existing in an occupied or contested city.

    36. Re:Syrian drones by smallfries · · Score: 2

      Do you have to work hard to maintain this level of cognitive dissonance or do you find that it comes easily?

      --
      Slashdot: where don knuth is an idiot because he cant grasp the awesome power of php
    37. Re: Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill all cis white men!

    38. Re:Syrian drones by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Those countries don't want to deal with the refugees either. For one, wrong sort of Muslim. For another, they share the same fears about terrorist infiltration and economic impact.

    39. Re:Syrian drones by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The Nazis were an existential threat. Russia was (and many say still is) an existential threat, and so the US built a great many nukes as a deterrent.

      The Middle East Mess is not an existential threat. People worry about civilian casualties because they can afford to worry. If IS actually had the ability to pose an existential threat, you can be confident that many countries would not hesitate more than a month before firebombing the whole region no matter how many civilians were killed. But even the Syrian government is such a pathetic joke that there is no political will to even send in the army, just for cheap-and-safe airstrikes.

    40. Re:Syrian drones by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      While Christians were certainly persecuted in Iraq, most of the violence was muslim-on-muslim. The tension was always there, but the brutal government of Saddam was at least very good at keeping the peace. Take that away, dismantle most of the police force to rid it of those loyal to the old regime, and those simmering tensions quickly erupt into open violence.

    41. Re:Syrian drones by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But it's not racist when they do it.

      Hang on. Isn't it not being racist when they do it racist?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    42. Re:Syrian drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to the incompetence of the US not being able to figure out the right group to back in Syria,
      Anyone who is against the dictator Assad is a good place to start. Since Russia is actively engaged in supporting said dictator, anyone who is against Russia is also one to support.

      I would suggest to watch this video to get an idea of what is really going on. You should also take a good look at Iraq and Libya to see what killing dictators actually gets you, i.e. major sources of terrorism and certainly not more freedom for the people, unless, of course, you consider getting killed by Islamists a "freedom" you actually want to achieve for these people.

      and now the Russians have to figure out a way to get them downed.
      Considering all the hospitals Russia is bombing, it sounds like Russia is substantially more incompetent.

      Just like the the US and US backed Saudia Arabia, I guess.

    43. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The bulk of the refugees who flee the Baathist regime are Syrian Sunni Arabs. The same sort as the ones who live in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Western Iraq. While Jordan has not been guilty, Saudi Arabia has been the very country contributing to their radicalization, so certainly the guys @ Riyadh should be able to handle terrorism. As for the economy, granted that oil prices have tanked, but the Saudis can take out whatever money they have been using on dawa projects all over the world, and use that on the refugees. Reason they don't is that they know that the Europeans, and some Americans, are chumps who'll let them in

    44. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see evidence of China supporting the shipment of drones to ISIS. If anything, China is pretty much on Russia's side when it comes to Syria. In fact, ever since Putin came to power, China has been like the satellite of Russia that it was during Mao and Stalin/Krushchev (forget which).

    45. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Oh, okay, then that makes it okay. It's fine to bring in people whose religion teaches them that it's okay to conquer Infidel women (as the Quran preaches, when it says 'take what your right hand possesses', implying captured womenfolk of your enemies. Just as long as they rape just tens of people, and not hundreds

    46. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Muslims are an existential threat for one simple reason: they don't believe in 'live and let live'. When they cross a certain threshold, they become a threat to the host society, trying to Islamize it even further. That's why you have people advocating Shariah law in various forms in countries in Europe. And their threat is more insidious: it's not in the form of Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan lobbing nukes at New York or Chicago or LA: it's in the form of Muslims coming in, growing in big numbers and then trying to affect legislation that would ultimately end the bill of rights as we know it.

    47. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Like I said above, I was talking about Russia. The story is about Russia building microwave weapons to down enemy drones. If they - the Russians - just nuked their enemies, they wouldn't have to go through this rigmarole of rigging microwave devices to down drones. And Russians are not bothered about civilian casualties - they never have.

      A nuke on those places would enrage the co-sectists of the people bombed. If Raqqa, Aleppo, Homs were bombed, the Sunnis of various countries would erupt. But that's the group the Russians have been against. If Alawites were bombed, nobody would bother, since both Shi'ites and Sunnites regard them as heretics. And Christians - even Hilary doesn't care about them. But I was talking about a Russian strategy here - level those Sunni areas of Syria completely, and make it completely safe for their puppet regime in Damascus. Then you can have a total Shia-Sunni face-off b/w Iran and Saudi Arabia in each other's countries, as well as Iraq, Yemen, Bahrein, Lebanon and the Emirates.

    48. Re:Syrian drones by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's the thing. Like I pointed out above, Bush just bought into the Sharansky doctrine and toppled Saddam, replacing him w/ a 'democracy'. Since Shi'ites are 60% of Iraq, that meant handing over power to them. Correct move would have been to either replace Saddam w/ a al Sisi like strongman in Baghdad, or just leave and let Iraq plunge into a full blown civil war like is happening in Syria.

      Libya in fact is a textbook example of what not to do when fighting Jihad. It's true that Col Gadaffi was a villain in the 80s, and Reagan was right when he bombed Tripoli and Benghazi in 1986 in response to the La Belle diskothek bombing in West Berlin. But after the Iraq war, Gadaffi, thinking that he'd be next, cleaned up his act completely. He ended his country's WMD program, settled w/ the claimants of the Lockerbie plane bombing, and did everything he could to restore normal diplomatic relations w/ the West.

      What did the West do in response? They let the Arab League write their policy on Libya, and when the civil war started, started bombing Gadaffi's troops. Then the Arab League started bitching when Libyan civilians also got bombed. But these things happen in war - if they were so queasy, they should not have intervened. Anyway, Gadaffi gets captured and lynched, and Libya becomes a Somalia on the Mediterranean. In the process, every strongman in the region who was previously an enemy of the West got the message - don't ever try fixing things, b'cos the West will turn on you.

      The correct comprehensive solution to all of this is to quarantine all Muslims within dar ul Islam. Ban them from going outside, and ban others from going there. And within their borders, don't give a shit about whether Alawites kill Sunnis, or Sunnis kill Shias, or Shias kill Kurds. Maybe create a safe homeland in Assyria for Christians and Kurds that's policed by the UN (put in Chicom troops there), but beyond that, do nothing.

    49. Re:Syrian drones by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Then what solutions do you offer that do not involve genocide?

      I want to see what hits the fan when Google gets machine translation really perfected.

  4. Meanwhile in Poland by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    Meanwhile, in Poland, they are developing a charcoal powered weapon. It's not as effective as Russia's microwave weapon, but the drones taste better afterwards.

    --
    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    1. Re: Meanwhile in Poland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer keeping it simple.
      I just leave my drones out in the sun to cook them lightly.

    2. Re: Meanwhile in Poland by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I use a parabolic curve and the power of the sun to do the work of destroying the drone in an environmentally responsible fashion...

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    3. Re:Meanwhile in Poland by gtall · · Score: 2

      The Poland of WWII doesn't exist, and they fought valiantly against a superior foe only to be fucked by the Russians.

      Poland today is a top-notch NATO ally, one of the few who will accept American missiles because they know the Russians won't be truly happy until they get a crack at fucking up Eastern Europe for another 50 years.

  5. ky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah live in kintukky, kin i have one two?

  6. Their tinfoil hats will protect them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Along with their tinfoil Overcoats.

  7. thats cute by KingBenny · · Score: 0

    Other than the fact that used microwaves have been used to do it on u-tup yahoo takes two days to steal my idea on pass-by boards, russia one to get my idea on drones, wheres my money on all the ideas i couldnt patent within 24 hours cos i had none. Should i start hiding DoT's and dangermemes in everything i say?
    callcenter huh .... SALESNURSE HUH ?

    --
    Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
    1. Re:thats cute by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buddy, you okay?

    2. Re:thats cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay is a flexible term, but judging by his posting history, nothing out of the ordinary.

    3. Re:thats cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kanye?

    4. Re:thats cute by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      not since that anal probe in '96

  8. So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this is like a dumb version of what the US was showing off 15 years ago in its microwave active denial system?

    1. Re:So it's like... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      But it's Russia, and everyone knows a country with a GDP smaller than the United Kingdom is some sort of mighty power!!!

      Russia is a has-been with a military and nuclear arsenal largely inherited from its older scarier days. For Russia these days, "force projection" literally does mean the Black Sea and Syria.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    2. Re:So it's like... by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For Russia these days, "force projection" literally does mean the Black Sea and Syria.

      And in the west democracy mean to let the globalist elite decide your destiny. .. or did the Europeans and Swedes actually wanted it this way? Really? Have anyone asked?

    3. Re:So it's like... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Part of the reason they are a power despite having a GDP smaller thant the United Kingdom is also part of the reason their GDP is smaller than the United Kingdom in the first place:

      They spend a disproportionate amount on military, $98 billion annually. (more than any other European nation)

      This combined with the fact that a lot of their neighbours are military light-weights, they have more nuclear weapons than anyone else, and they have an aggressive dictator (posing as elected) who has already invaded two sovereign neighbours and annexed their territory does indeed make them a threat to world peace.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    4. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them, their methodology is definitely different but has come through for them in the past. Take the closed cycle kerosene rocket engine, western rocket scientists thought someone in Russia had been chugging too much vodka when they heard about it in the 90s. After they finally got one and tested it I think they found it actually had better characteristics than had been portrayed, not long after it was launching payloads here in the US, now most of the National security payloads use them.

    5. Re:So it's like... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      And in the west democracy mean to let the globalist elite decide your destiny. .. or did the Europeans and Swedes actually wanted it this way? Really? Have anyone asked?

      Sweden's main concern is about getting naked in the sauna. If the globalist elite ever get in the way of getting naked in the sauna they will rise against them.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    6. Re:So it's like... by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno. The Russian have a different approach to these things than we do. If Russian engineering firms were baseball teams, they'd be small ball players and our guys would be sluggers. We tend to swing to swing for the fences and they concentrate on getting base hits.

      If the Russians think they're on to something they tend to keep tinkering with it, making it incrementally better. The question isn't whether something is necessarily the most impressive thing in the world now, but whether it is practical and useful now.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    7. Re:So it's like... by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      does indeed make them a threat to world peace.

      You make it sound like "World Peace" is something we've already achieved.

      It's not.... if there is no war now, there will be one soon; ISIS and various players all over the world have aligned everything to make sure of that.

      $98 billion annually is not very much to spend on military at all. Hell, the US spends more than $600 billion.

      Also, if you don't have an advanced highly-thorough military force when war does break out, then being caught unprepared has a high
      probability of meaning you become an occupied or subservient country.

    8. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, your numbers are wrong. (Well, everything else in your post is either wrong or twisted, but I'll pick on the numbers) The entire Russian federal budget is about $200B per year (including military spending) so they can't possibly be spending 50% of it on the military. The $98B is the cost of the military upgrade program set to complete in 2020 (started in 2007). But even if it were an annual spending it would still be an order of magnitude less that the U.S. spends.

    9. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "who has already invaded two sovereign neighbours and annexed their territory does indeed make them a threat to world peace."

      Are we perhaps forgetting what the US government has been up to the past decade or so (invading 2 countries, black bagging people from Europe, extrajudicial killing via drone, global spying, etc)? Also the US spends more on the military I believe than the next 10 nations on the entire planet combined. I'm all for calling out Russia on their failings, but that conversation is going to get really uncomfortable really quick when someone asks who/what/where the major causes of civilian casualties (directly & indirectly) over the past 15 years have been.

    10. Re: So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You moron, Russia is one of the few countries that can afford to live with a shitty GDP.
      China has most billionaires in spite of their horrific GDP, just so you know.

      Learn how GDP actually works and stop assuming it means quality of life or access to resources.
      GDP being equated to these is literally the worst meme.
      PPP is even more retarded.
      Neither of them are useful to gauge these facets of society.

      This is why it is both hilarious and sad that those retards that voted for Brexit seriously think they can compete with huge nations and continents.
      UK is tiny. It has nothing but minor resources in sparse amounts. (And few decent resources drying FAST)
      Once all those cheap exported goods are gone due to the ruined Sterling exchange, most of the production sector will die in a year or few.
      But hey, those fishermen can totally get more fish and farmers get bendy bananas.
      Oh, and no more of those dirty foreigners stealing all their jerbs, because apparently secret reporters have a very hard time finding these jobs. Oh, wait.
      Freedumbs.

    11. Re: So it's like... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      However you choose to measure it, Russia's economy is a midget compared to the more populace Western states like the US, Germany, Britain and France.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    12. Re:So it's like... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The peoples of Europe freely entered the Common Market, which evolved into the EU. In fact, when the Eastern Bloc collapsed, a number of former Soviet satellites lined up to enter the EU. We can debate whether or not the EU has lived it up to what it was supposed to be, but the fact of the matter is that no tanks rolled across the French fields, no bombs were dropped on German or Italian cities, there were no occupying governments in Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands, these nations, for the first time in European history freely joined together to create a common economic zone.

      For the Russians, of course, losing traditional satellites/occupied regions like Poland, the Baltic states, and the other Central European Slavic states was a symbol of its decline. That these states, so long under the Russian thumb, then joined NATO, was seen as a slap in the face. Putin is trying to recover something of Russia's old power, but he runs a nation that, while improving in some respects, really is a midget compared to Europe and the US. The combined economic and military might of NATO dwarfs Russia. The US alone is able to project force to just about everywhere from the Arctic to the Antarctic circles, and while Russia still has a lot of military capability, it remains as it always was, a fundamentally land-based power, able to harass and dominate some of its Eurasian neighbors, but ultimately geopolitically weaker than its competitors.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    13. Re:So it's like... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The US has been doing that, in one form or another since the before the Civil War. If you include campaigns like those against the Barbary Pirates, it has willingly adopted a fairly robust foreign policy since almost the beginning.

      Let's not forget that much of what you call the Midwest was basically seized from the Indians, that much of the Southwest was actually northern Mexico until a shameless war of expansionism saw American forces marching into Mexico City in 1847. These sorts of actions are littered throughout US history, at the behest of Administrations of all political stripes.

      The reality is you're just cherry picking to try to give the illusion that somehow things are different now, but really, how is, say, the Iraq invasion really that different than the Spanish-American War? And let's remember that, briefly, after that war, the US became one of the major imperial Great Powers, and that it still possesses a number of territories that were once part of the Spanish Empire.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    14. Re:So it's like... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I'm not belittling Russia's talent. It has always been a nation that has had a genius for making a little go a long way. But the fact is that the era of Russia as a major global player, the big competitor to the US, ended with the collapse of the USSR, and really, over the last quarter century, the chief rival has become China. Russia can be a menace, but aside from its nuclear delivery capacity, which is still significant, it isn't nearly as strong as it tries to make out. And ultimately, its nuclear arsenal, like every nuclear power's arsenal, isn't intended as offensive weapon at all, but rather as a last ditch defensive measure.

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    15. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are like the US where they spend an insane portion of the government takings on military, They are also close allies with other very large nations like China and amazingly at this point are probably even closer to Turkey than the US is given recent events. To downplay the political and military power of Russia and her allies is to commit suicide, only a bias fucking moron would discount them. Russia could still blanket the entire earth with nuclear explosions if it did so choose.

    16. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are you from? The USA? Seems to me you have that pretty much backward. Russians have always been the "brute force" types. They wouldn't even use a bat for playing baseball. They would shoot the ball out the end of a tank barrel.

    17. Re:So it's like... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      there were no occupying governments

      But now there is through the EU.

      Also I wouldn't view our Swedish government as by or for the people.

      For the Russians, of course, losing traditional satellites/occupied regions like Poland, the Baltic states, and the other Central European Slavic states was a symbol of its decline. That these states, so long under the Russian thumb, then joined NATO, was seen as a slap in the face. Putin is trying to recover something of Russia's old power, but he runs a nation that, while improving in some respects, really is a midget compared to Europe and the US.

      The Russian identity is pretty intact though, that and the culture is in a much better position than in most of the rest of the west. Which was my point.

      My point was never about what Russia try to portray themselves about or how mighty they are.
      My point was all about how the west consider themselves as superior in democracy and freedom even though in the case of the US it's all foreign politics and dictators and non-elected leaders are just fine / possibly better as-long as they act in the interest of the US and here in Europe and Sweden especially democracy isn't a thing since social and main-stream media don't allow all opinions to be heard, the public sector and financial power is everywhere and so strong (majority of the public service employees and teaches in Sweden are sympathizers of the environmentalist party / left), information is being hidden (criminality statistics and data about the suspects of criminal activity, social economic costs and so on), lies are told and voice of the public is seen to be inferior and bad and that the "responsible" politicians and media know better and have to "take responsibility" (act authoritarian) because the public is wrong.
      Germany may be even more fucked up than Sweden. They have always suffered under the "oh you were Nazis so you have to suffer under this and for that!" - I have no fucking clue what wrong Sweden have done but I guess it's just basic "white guilt"-shaming from the Marxists and parasites of color.

      The combined economic and military might of NATO dwarfs Russia. The US alone is able to project force to just about everywhere from the Arctic to the Antarctic circles, and while Russia still has a lot of military capability, it remains as it always was, a fundamentally land-based power, able to harass and dominate some of its Eurasian neighbors, but ultimately geopolitically weaker than its competitors.

      I'd rather say it's basically that of the US.
      USA is what make up NATO. That comes with consequences though since USA is the people who pay for everything and who have the power the politics of the US also matter.
      Sweden + Norway + Denmark + Finland + Iceland + Estonia (+ Lithuania + Latvia + Scotland + Poland + Hungary + Ukraine) could have had a reasonable population count and economy and through that military might to possibly hold up on their own and could had acted as a buffer zone in both direction and pose no threat to either side while still not be ruled by the US or EU.

      Reality of course is that Russia harass and interfere less than USA do. And yeah, they have less capability so maybe that's part of the reason why, it's still how it is. Where Russia try to harass seem to be mostly into propaganda and sharing the Russian "view" of things. Then again it's not like the world doesn't listen to the American view either.

    18. Re:So it's like... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Russians sometimes use methods that look crude to us because those methods are likely to work without costing fabulous amounts of money. It's Americans who set out to do overkill right from the drawing board.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    19. Re:So it's like... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Inherited or not, nukes are nukes. Does it matter where they got them? They also have a very capable intelligence service with many decades of experience, and a demonstrated willingness to use this not just for gathering information but for active espionage and assassination missions.

    20. Re:So it's like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your first 2 comments make no sense at all. I don't think anyone ever, who isn't a complete idiot, has claimed World Peace exists now or at any time in history. There's a reason why World Peace is a perpetual joke aimed at Miss Universe candidates.

      Re: "ISIS and various players all over the world have aligned everything to make sure of that." Um, WTF?

      ISIS is under pressure that keeps ratcheting up. They are going to lose their entire 'Caliphate', I predict within 1-2 years. Multiple regional players, who frequently hate each other, have put aside their differences long enough to gang up on ISIS. ISIS is toast.

      Let's see, we have the Iraqi army, who against all the odds has finally gotten their shit together after ISIS kicked them badly 3 years ago. Turkey is sending in troops, after years of refusing to cross their own border. The PKK is massing around Mosul, as is the Kurdish Peshmerga. There are even regional tribal militias contributing forces. And I repeat, many of these groups hate each other's guts, or at least have deep distrust issues.

      Syria is more difficult than Iraq but I suggest that once these groups feel they have momentum, at least some of them will cross the border and continue the drive against ISIS.

      ISIS' only hope of surviving is to reinforce their successes in Africa. Which they are very likely to do, after all, what choice do they have? However they will be in a much reduced state, and the Caliphate will collapse, both in fact and in their dreams. ISIS was able to recruit and get money based upon the idea they were successful and a real force. They will be tarnished permanently with the loss of the Caliphate.

    21. Re:So it's like... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      My numbers aren't wrong, although they are the highest of the 4 organisations that estimate that kind of crap. The lowest estimate is $68B per year. I'm sure you will note that that is also a huge percent of their budget.

      Russia could be a very wealthy country; they're strategically located with lots of resources, a decent population size, but they're plagued with high levels of corruption and leaders who care more about the military than the populace.

      Of course they don't spend as much as the US, nobody does. The US accounts for almost 50% of the entire world's military budget. However, as a % of total GDP the US, whilst high, is still just a fraction of the % of GDP Russia spends on the military. Instead of becoming a modern nation, taking better care of their people, they're pissing all their money away on their military. The US has so much more money than Russia to begin with.

      Only one other nation, besides the US, spends more on the military than Russia, and that's China. Another nation with much more money than Russia, and despite spending more, they still spend a much lower % of GDP.

      The average life expectancy for a Russian man today is 64 (it is a little over 70 for women though). That's piss-poor by western standards. Russia would do well to get rid of Putin and his hawkish colleagues and instate someone who cares about the people and the world more than he does shaking his dick around at other nations.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    22. Re:So it's like... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      The US has got involved in wars it shouldn't but has not recently annexed any territory. Russia has done so... twice with their current dictator.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  9. I don't get it by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

    "disable aircraft communications, resulting in loss of control"

    Why would someone build a weapon that could so easily be countered? They wouldn't.

    People do realize we build and send unmanned drones literally millions of miles away with pre-programmed instructions, right? How do the not expect that concept to extend to drones?

    Programmed to fly to a specific coordinate, using GPS from take off and flight info to calculate current position if communications are disabled by reported weapon, drop payload, fly back to take off point. Laugh. Profit from war.

    1. Re:I don't get it by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      GPS and Radar are both types of communications. If your drone relies on only GPS and/or Radar for navigation, then sending an EMP down your antenna will destroy your GPS radio, your Radar transceiver, and your drone won't be able to find the current position, let-alone navigate to takeoff location.

      Also, microwave won't just take out radio receivers and transmitters..... it will also blow out at least any integrated circuits attached to electromagnetic sensors without extreme protections including completely separate circuits and optical isolation (So you blow up the opto-isolators instead), even if the electronics themselves are shielded.

      Sensors such as distance/location measurement by definition cannot be shielded, since you need them unshielded to be able to reach the outside world and sense things.

    2. Re:I don't get it by sandmaninator · · Score: 2

      Umm, the DJI phantom is a modern consumer level drone and makes extensive use of machine vision to avoid obstacles and receive gesture commands from the "pilot". Some claim that Iran spoofed US drone GPS a few years ago. I imagine current military drones are making extensive use of on-board optical sensors for things like horizon detection and target acquisition. Hell, with an accurate on-board clock, the aircraft could determine good-enough position using celestial bodies!
      This tech is dirt-cheap by military standards. You can buy pitot-tube speed sensor for your hobby aircraft along with very accurate barometer for altitude. This microwave thing sounds pretty pathetic. Communication of any kind will be a "Nice to have" feature in military drones but, completely unnecessary thanks to modern machine vision.

    3. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      GPS and Radar are both types of communications. If your drone relies on only GPS and/or Radar for navigation, then sending an EMP down your antenna will destroy your GPS radio, your Radar transceiver, and your drone won't be able to find the current position, let-alone navigate to takeoff location.

      Also, microwave won't just take out radio receivers and transmitters..... it will also blow out at least any integrated circuits attached to electromagnetic sensors without extreme protections including completely separate circuits and optical isolation (So you blow up the opto-isolators instead), even if the electronics themselves are shielded.

      Sensors such as distance/location measurement by definition cannot be shielded, since you need them unshielded to be able to reach the outside world and sense things.

      Eventually wild weasle drones will be developed. It's a matter of time, and drones are cheaper than buks. How the hell will they distinguish them from real targets at that scale?

      Also, drones can be suicidal... it just seems like a bad idea to combine SAM and energy weapons because they will be even more detectable.

    4. Re:I don't get it by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "Why would someone build a weapon that could so easily be countered? They wouldn't."
      The US way of thinking is not to add too much crypto.
      A flying super computer is bad for two simple reasons. If it fails and glides down into enemy hands, every enemy gets a look at US thinking on secure maths.
      The power and support needed for a secure system can be put to better use as payload or optics or time to loiter over any nation with no defence systems.
      The US drone system is a rushed to market prototype that can be lost and analysed without giving any secrets away.
      Think of a big fancy TV camera, a 1970's export grade weapons system and some navigation.
      Any nation can request the parts from some arms trade show.
      Re "How do the not expect that concept to extend to drones?"
      Never use them against any advance enemy with skills.
      Its not so much as "communications are disabled" as been damaged. The drone is not hardened. All the weight savings went into ammo count, big optics, time over the other nation to watch and track.
      The drone was rushed into service to fight in nations where the US would never face advanced detection or long range systems.
      Inside the Military’s Secret Terror-Tagging Tech (06.03.09)
      https://www.wired.com/2009/06/...
      That is about all the drone was sold as to the political elite. To stay above any nation so that US backed operatives could plant retro reflector-based tags on interesting people or locations.
      The problem is the US political class now thinks drones and cruise missile will always work against every nation because they always have against nations with no working defence systems.
      Its a bit like faith in Enigma or blitzkrieg. It keeps on working until it does not.
      The only option for the US is to get to all defence systems removed to make the area of operations totally safe for drones again.
      Most advanced nations have worked that aspect out and have taken steps to absorb or counter that needed first step in safe drone use.
      Re 'Profit from war."
      The next step will be to sell the US gov on a new space drone project to stay one step above all advance nations. More high ground profits await.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    5. Re:I don't get it by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      A serious military drone won't need anything more than a compass, barometric altimeter and a camera for visual navigation. At night it might also make use of a star tracker. All of this can be isolated from any realistic EM weapons. Sure, civilian drones are not going to go to such lengths... for now.

    6. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use clockworks to achieve random small windows of perception including retractions under cover, and add redundancy. You can calculate your chances of being blown and losing all your sensors.

    7. Re:I don't get it by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      That kinda what I thought, although mysidia has a valid point about sensors not being able to be shielded from some EMP type weapon. But I am far from an expert.

  10. Problems with directed microwave weapons by AaronW · · Score: 1

    One problem I can think of off the top of my head is it should be easy to detect the source of the microwaves and take it out. Also I would think better shielding could protect against this.

    This might work for non-military drones though.

    --
    This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
    1. Re:Problems with directed microwave weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One problem I can think of off the top of my head is it should be easy to detect the source of the microwaves and take it out. Also I would think better shielding could protect against this.

      This might work for non-military drones though.

      That's what I was thinking, but you don't deploy a Buk for non-military targets.

  11. in soviet Russia we microwave you! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    in soviet Russia we microwave you!

  12. How does it work on passenger planes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Russia sure likes shooting down planes.

  13. BS fear mongering by Bugler412 · · Score: 2

    Using "gun director" fire control radar on Navy ships as much as fifty years ago this was possible, the beams from those radars were able to kill birds in flight and easily fry electronics within a certain range. This is nothing new, at all.

    1. Re:BS fear mongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is nothing new, at all."

      Indeed. Do any of you lot remember the Reagan/Teller "Star Wars"? We had a part of it, under duress. (Eizer do ze Researcsh, or ze funding for everyzing elz getz cut off.)
      Microwaved Photon Weapons are so early last century. We, in 1987, were investigating Protons, accelerated and bunched in certain ways in the Microwave region, ~1.5 Ghz. This initially showed a lot of promise, but dang it, every Experiment that we did went wrong. Sometimes, it takes more effort to make things go wrong than right.

      BTW, Fuck You Teller, you dead pervert. Your "Nephew" later confirmed to me just what kind of an "Uncle" you were.

  14. Meanwhile in the U.S.A. by zm · · Score: 2

    a similar weapon built for use against humans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    --
    Sig ?
  15. Code named: by nult · · Score: 1

    Code named: Head-Popper

  16. On a Buk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully the Buk systems are safer than the ones I was involved with during the day. Some of those systems were potentially deadly to humans if you touched them the wrong way or stepped on where you shouldn't have during operation. Instant electrocution. It wouldn't have taken very long to the first ISIS drone attack on an armored vehicle with a re-purposed anti-tank warhead, though, so it must have been deemed necessary.

  17. I foresee a big market in ablative popcorn armor by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    I foresee a big market in ablative popcorn armor.

  18. Even older by CaptnCrud · · Score: 2

    the japanese worked on a microwave beam weapon in WW2, from gizmondo:

    "According to documents confiscated by the U.S. military after the war, work on a Japanese death ray began as early as 1939 at laboratories in Noborito. To that end, the researchers developed a high-powered magnetron that could generate a beam of radiation. Physicist Sinitiro Tomonaga's team developed a magnetron measuring 8 inches (20 cm) in diameter with an output rated at 100kW. It's doubtful, however, that this technology could have worked like the death rays of science fiction. Calculations suggested that the beam, if properly focused, could have killed a rabbit over a distance of 1,000 yards, but only if the rabbit stayed perfectly still for at least 5 minutes."

    1. Re:Even older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoo boy, did you swallow the Big Hook. Ito in Japan was investigating Western Magnetrons since 1940, but he never generated more than a few hundred Watts, and his demonstration Magnetrons were unstable. He just didn't really understand the concept of Cavity Resonance.
      Back then, when it came to Engineering, the Japanese were World Class. But with a couple of brilliant exceptions including Tomanaga, they didn't really get the Physics underlying it.

      Repeat after me: Tomanaga did not develop a Japanese Death Ray. Not even one that could kill, and then cook a rabbit.
      Sheer wartime propaganda, and you fell for it.

    2. Re:Even older by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      A magnetron is a lousy way to project microwaves. You can't collimate the output for shit.

      What you need is a big phased array. The Navy guys I knew swore that the Aegis cruisers could cook a pilot in the cockpit of a passing jet if they ever painted it at full power. I've never believed that. (because of how jets are built, not because I had doubts about the raw output power those things were capable of) But I can easily see it making a very bad day for anything with a visible (in the emitter's view) antenna between about a quarter inch and 2 or 3 inches long.

      --
      See that "Preview" button?
  19. this is the definition of self defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unlike the united states who just overthrows countries in the quest for more oil/banking control

  20. A tremendous target by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I've been told (not an expert) that such weapons would be excellent targets on the battle field.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  21. Russia Com weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russias military is not the same as ours (the US). its more defensively modeled. even when you think of its ability for offense. its still a defend the motherland
    sort of model.

    ours is very offensively modeled, force projection anywhere in the world within 24 hours etc sort of model. ours is very networking independent, very high tech dependent. Russia knows, and has learned they can not out spend us; and if you read Sun Tzu winning is not just about how bas ass you are. there are other factors.

    this is what Russia is building on; they are getting really good at Cyber, EW and all sorts of related stuff; even some of there ground to air and air to air stuff is getting good, think longer ranges. so if you have a networked enemy at your doorstep, on your "grounds" and you have the ability to knock out comms, jam radar all sorts of stuff there huge advantage starts to get nulled.

       

  22. easily defeated. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    If it really is strictly a "ultra-high frequency" jammer then it's range is between 300MHz and 3GHz. What this means is that a 5GHz cellular modem would still be able to operate under these conditions. However, if it's as powerful as they claim, you should add a little aluminum foil to the bottom of your drone. :)

    --
    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
  23. Gee, a whole half-mile away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be based on either a Samsung microwave... or the Note 7.

  24. Might come in handy... by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    ...when the Terminators want to take over.

    --
    Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
  25. How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? by chewie2010 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? The build up propaganda is incredible. They hacked the DNC? Lets stop this war that has been laid out in advanced. PLEASE REMEMBER: US, EU, and Russian military corporations think human life is expendable, this is all marketing.

    1. Re:How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe it has to do with the propaganda spewed on RT or Russia's bombing civilian targets in Syria or its unprovoked invasion of the the Ukraine or its take-over of Crimea or its assassination of reporters and critics or...

    2. Re:How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communication problems. Russia doesn't declare their agendas, so everybody else is first confused, then suspicious, then angry. Perhaps Russia desires another, great, patriotic war to unify the people under one leader. Why? Because they understand personal power, but don't recognize the power of a process as readily when it comes to political power. Many nations in Africa apparently have the same problem. Leadership is seen as righteous, pure, unquestionable power instead the opportunity to serve the people. Media has of course been on the edge towards Russia long before the Crimean and other "incidents" due to the way the political power is concentrated and the opposition is seen as the enemy. Turkey is next in line.

    3. Re:How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowhere did you mention Africans and alikes, did you?

    4. Re:How did Russia suddenly become enemy #1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing sudden about it. It has been ramping up for some time. Ever since Putin managed to anoint himself ruler for life, and made vague imperial gestures, he has steadily risen in the ranks of "the enemy".

      Beside, the West's defense industry has a very difficult time selling their wares and building factories in everyone's home town when there is not a big, bad, evil enemy to arm against. China never made a very good target for that because their arms were not sophisticated enough. Their plan to overwhelm their enemies with a billion foot soldiers was already accounted for with MOAB, so we needed an enemy with a deeper military budget and experience deploying armed forces around the world.

  26. So they say by ronmon · · Score: 1

    They can say whatever they want, and all the idiot press will believe it. In fact, it's all a bunch of bullshit and countless competent intelligence agencies know that. Putin wants to push everyone around, but he's out of money. International businesses and world leaders don't care what color your judo belt is.

    Show the money, bitch.

  27. Max Range by Koby77 · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    ‘With its effective range apparently not exceeding one kilometre, this weapon may be used against UAVs flying right above the battlefield,’ said Korotchenko.

    That doesn't sound very far. By flying at 3500 feet, it can't hit a UAV even if it is directly overhead.

  28. Really? Half a mile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Effective to half a mile -- so less than 2641 feet... Hmmm. So it would at best only be effective against drones flying several miles below the cruising altitude of standard U.S. drones. With the right optics, my Winchester Model 94 would probably end up with similar performance to the Russian system.

  29. Keeping Up With The Jonses by whodunit · · Score: 1

    Incidentally the United States is working on a missile-borne microwave weapon which would be very useful for hitting Surface to Air missile sites like the ones Russia relies on for power projection, to augment their lower-tech air force (as they've done with the recent S-400 deployment in Syria.) This microwave weapon, mounted on the small tracked vehicles used by the Buk system would be a useful point-defense weapon against cruise missiles, if the power output was high enough, and the weapon was slow enough. If its only useful against drones, then the power output is lower or the missiles are too hardened for what it can pump out - in which case you should see it as a high-power, aimable jamming system to counter attacking aircraft, with the ability to fry drones a nice secondary feature.

    A nice little microcosm of the ongoing arms race. Pay attention; the toys they come up with now we'll be finding commercial uses for in twenty years.