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Apple To Obsolete iPhone 4 and Late 2010 MacBook Air On October 31 (macrumors.com)

Apple will make all iPhone 4 models, the late 2010 13-inch MacBook Air, third-generation AirPort Extreme, and mid-2009 AirPort Time Capsule obsolete come October 31, MacRumor claims, citing a different report. From the report: Apple products on the vintage and obsolete list are no longer eligible for hardware service, beyond a few exceptions. Apple defines vintage products as those that have not been manufactured for more than five years but less than seven years ago, while obsolete products are those that were discontinued more than seven years ago. Each of the products added were released between 2009 and 2010. The report specifically pertains to Apple's vintage and obsolete products list in Japan, but the new additions will more than likely extend to the United States, Australia, Canada, and the rest of the Asia-Pacific and Europe regions.

114 comments

  1. Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They do this all the time, and have for years.

    1. Re: Who Cares? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

      it's about the narrative. nobody knows, if that son of a carpenter really existed

      Nobody really knows if the iPhone 4 existed, too.

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    2. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have an iPhone 4s, which is firsthand evidence. However, I'm told that the iPhone 4s was released many months after the iPhone 4, so it's not direct evidence of the iPhone 4's existence. It's merely the testimony of people who claim to have known iPhone 4.

    3. Re: Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an iPhone4 about 3m away from me right now.
      Guess I'd better do an update.

  2. Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 96 Civic must be worth a fortune.

    1. Re:Five years in "vintage" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      '96 Civics are some good cars. Someday when I have time, I'm going to get one and put those low-profile tires on it and the ground effects and lower it and fix it up like a proper tuner. Decals. Loud stereo so I can fuck with my neighbors. I'll just set it in my driveway and wash and wax it like all the time.

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    2. Re: Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention the worthless ridiculous high spoiler, and the stupid oversided muffler designed to make the engine sound louder, not quieter. The driver, usually some single skinny white yuppie punk with a doucebag Honda tatoo on his back leg (not kidding, actually saw this recently) and a baseball cap turned partly sideways. I call it the small penis compensator and low self esteem machine.

    3. Re: Five years in "vintage" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot to mention the worthless ridiculous high spoiler, and the stupid oversided muffler designed to make the engine sound louder, not quieter.

      Worthless is in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't go for the big spoiler, but I would very much like the loud muffler.

      I call it the small penis compensator and low self esteem machine.

      Nah, that's not a small penis compensator. Now THIS is a small penis compensator:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/...

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    4. Re: Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My 96 Civic must be worth a fortune.

      Vintage is millennial speak for 'piece of shit'.

    5. Re:Five years in "vintage" by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      "Loud stereo so I can fuck with my neighbors."

      Keep in mind some neighbors have no compunction about acting extra-judiciously to curb your behavior. First few times you might get the cops called, after that its rocks through your windows.

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    6. Re: Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Enjoying your butthurt? I sure am.

    7. Re:Five years in "vintage" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Extra-judicially, maybe. Extra-judiciously? Doubtful.

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    8. Re:Five years in "vintage" by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Don't even need that. 90's civics have easy to access electrical systems. 120V at 20 amps solves the problem very cleanly and destroys the amps and radio well before the fuses blow.

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    9. Re:Five years in "vintage" by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      My 96 Civic must be worth a fortune.

      Since you can name the year of make - yes, it is vintage. That's what vintage means. Look it up.

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    10. Re: Five years in "vintage" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Maybe one of these days you'll get that '96 Civic you dream of.

      I choose to look for the good in everyone.

      , I can only imagine how lucky society will be when you wrap your "it's everything I always wanted!" Civic around a telephone pole.

      Welp...

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    11. Re: Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *triggered*

    12. Re: Five years in "vintage" by backslashdot · · Score: 3, Funny

      FYI, mental health services and trans-cranial electro-shock therapy is covered under Obamacare.

      Just saying.

    13. Re:Five years in "vintage" by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      In most cities there are laws as to the amount of noise emitted and times of day it's emitted. In the end you'll probably have to sell that tricked out Civic to pay for your legal battle that you will undoubtedly lose.

    14. Re:Five years in "vintage" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A car that can't be hacked will almost certainly rise in value over time.

  3. Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by null+etc. · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jony Ive appears on screen, against a stark white background. "The design of our new MacBook Pro fuses form and function into a new degree of usability and intuitiveness. Once you pick it up and start using it, all of the cares of the world simply fade away behind the brilliant illumination of our Super Retina display. It's a design that is at once both futuristic, and timeless. But not TOOOOO timeless - our world class engineering teams will only support this miraculous marvel of engineering for the next five years, so get yours while you can."

    1. Re:Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cue", not "queue".

      "Queue" means, among other things, to line up.
      "Cue" is to signal for something to happen, e.g., cue somebody to come on stage during a play.

    2. Re: Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their, there, they're... Just calm down grammar Nazi with the aforementioned words of consolation. Everything is going to be okay. Thanks for correcting someone on the Internet and making it a better place.

    3. Re:Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just queued the Apple video, and now I'm waiting for Quicktime to convert it before I can watch it...

    4. Re:Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell?

      Show me an Android manufacturer that supports their phones for 6 years. That's right, you can't. With Samsung, you're lucky to get 18 months.

      Yet somehow Apple is called out for discontinuing support for a 6 year old phone.

      Fucking Slashdot.

    5. Re: Queue Apple Video in 3... 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you know your totally wrong then it is'nt ignorance. Fact is the communication was just fine, otherwise you would'nt even be able to correct it without first clarifying the intended meaning of the communication. The fact that your getting so worked up about it is hilarious.

  4. Where's my new MacPro Tower? by sandbagger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ditch the grand experiment of the trash can Mac and give me a new workstation-class case.

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    1. Re: Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this.

    2. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is ditching the trash can for the plate (iPad Pro).

    3. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by gtall · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. That trash can must go, I want the nice solid tower macs back again.

    4. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just look at it as a cooling tower, and it suddenly makes sense.

    5. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd actually be happy with a solid mini. Those things rock as headless workstations, they're essentially mini pros... ;)

      I'd love a mac pro tower for my graphics workstation with some number of minis for processing and server loads.

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    6. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook loves large cylindrical objects that he can shove up his ass and the Mac Pro is perfect for that.

    7. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Buy a few million of them a year. The old pros didn't sell very well, they were often seen as too big and too noisy. They didn't mesh with Apple's brand image. The trash can sold well for many months.

      Apple seems to be killing the desktop pros off the killed their server line. Apple liked a narrow product line. To get diversification you need volume sales. The numbers aren't there. The numbers certainly aren't there for a physically large machine.

    8. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just admit it already--you're waiting for one shaped like Yoda.

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    9. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually be happy with a solid mini. Those things rock as headless workstations, they're essentially mini pros... ;)

      They "rock"? They aren't "mini pros" at all, unless by "mini pro" you mean "the opposite of pro". They have a low amount of fixed RAM and storage, low CPU performance and low GPU performance. Using a bunch of them for processing and server loads is just silly when you consider the other options. I don't really see what's not "solid" about them as they are, they're perfectly fine as low end desktops.

    10. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Precisely! That thing is designed w/ 3 boards around the cooling tower, all getting cooled simultaneously. It's a great piece of engineering. And this is the best Unix workstation out there since the demise of Sun, SGI and other unixstations. That thing running an OS based on FreeBSD userland

    11. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by maynard · · Score: 1

      I know a guy who hacked his old 2009 Pro tower with two new xeons and a Titan X just to give the thing a bit more life. Made it a pretty good machine performance wise and he didn't have to throw away his old software investment. But he's already transitioning off mac, so this was to keep an old tool chain functional.

    12. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      They "rock"? They aren't "mini pros" at all, unless by "mini pro" you mean "the opposite of pro". They have a low amount of fixed RAM and storage, low CPU performance and low GPU performance.

      I have four 2012 i7 quad core minis with SSDs and 16GB RAM. They have been running just fine as low-power headless servers. I'm looking for an upgrade of those minis. The current "minis" are something I wouldn't buy except as a simple desktop as that's about all they're good for, or a doorstop if you add some double sided tape. I am looking at small form factor low-power linux systems as an alternative. I don't need GPUs and in all honesty, don't need more than 16GB RAM for the workloads in question. If I need more than 16GB, it's likely time to step up to some serious hardware and not a low-power small form factor box.

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    13. Re:Where's my new MacPro Tower? by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      And if you don't want to pay the Apple tax, the new Mintbox Mini Pro looks like it would take care of most daily work with ease.

      http://betanews.com/2016/09/28...

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  5. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't make them fail then just disown them.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many other computer companies are currently supporting 6 yr old consumer hardware?

    2. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft? It depends on how narrowly you define your terms. I suspect that this thread would progress from your original question to "How many other computer companies that design and sell their own branded hardware, develop their own operating system, and make over $100 billion annual revenue are currently supporting 6 yr old consumer hardware?".

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many other computer companies are currently selling new hardware that's pretty much the same as their 6 yr old consumer hardware?

    4. Re:Well by macs4all · · Score: 1

      How many other computer companies are currently selling new hardware that's pretty much the same as their 6 yr old consumer hardware?

      Um, all of them?

  6. Re: Obsolete by kenh · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    While we're on the subject of support for aging Apple products... SMH.

    How nice of you to invent unspoken positions for Trump supporters, then trash those supporters for holding those unspoken positions you invented for them - it saves them the hard work of forming their own positions and articulating them.

    These invented positions, coupled with unsubstantiated allegations about Trump, definitely convince me that you're having a hard time coming up with actual facts to discredit Trump with...

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  7. Two trends converge by kenh · · Score: 1

    Recently Slashdot ran an article about Apple hardware lagging behind the latest technologies by as much as a year or two, couple that with their decision to stop supporting hardware after seven years, and current Apple products are over-priced devices with a limited useful life, dictated by the whims of designers.

    Sure, older Apple desktops and laptops are still useful after Apple drops support for the OS running on older hardware, but their usefulness diminishes without OS security patches/updates.

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    1. Re:Two trends converge by gtall · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because the OS should be free. Linux is a great example of that, its fine when it works...and you have the time to make it work. When it doesn't, you get to troll the newgroups and be abused. Winders has an interface that could knock a dead buzzard off a shit wagon at 20 paces.

    2. Re:Two trends converge by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Funny

      When Linux doesn't meet your use case, you can fix it or pay someone to have it fixed. When OS X or Windows have the slightest bug, tough cookies, there's precisely nothing you can do.

      And for this particular article, you can use Linux on that 2010 MacBook Air just fine. Linux doesn't support hardware forever -- the kernel requires at least 486 and Debian just bumped the minimal requirements for i386 to 686, but for the latter that's still good 20 years of support.

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    3. Re:Two trends converge by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1, Troll

      Technically they haven't been dropped on the software side yet, just hardware. The AirPort Extreme was a good little worker for me, but obsolete is a pretty good term for it. I forget if my Air is a 2010 or 2011, but it keeps on chugging, even running AutoCAD in a VM in a pinch. Unfortunately, that is the model that doesn't have after-market SSDs available which limits upgrade options.

      When I compare it to the "high-end" Dell equipment we buy, we get about 40% longer useful life and substantially fewer hardware issues with Apple. There are fundamental design issues with both, but nothing that is a deal-killer.

    4. Re:Two trends converge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is a great example of that, its fine when it works...and you have the time to make it work.

      The same applies to Windows. Windows can be a right pain the the arse to get working properly sometimes, often moreso than Linux is.

    5. Re:Two trends converge by exomondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When Linux doesn't meet your use case, you can fix it or pay someone to have it fixed.

      Yes in theory, but in practise regular users do not do either of those things. Yes it's annoying that support for older hardware is stopped but users just buy new hardware with supported software rather than switching to Linux and paying developers to fix problems for them. In fact unless you can find a cheap developer the former is probably more cost effective anyway.

    6. Re:Two trends converge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless of theory versus practice, it's ILLEGAL to fix bugs in proprietary software.

    7. Re:Two trends converge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just curious, but by what law? If I'm not making illegal copies of the software, I think it's legal to make patches for my own use, at least in the USA.

    8. Re:Two trends converge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you don't have the source code and tool chain to build the proprietary software, you'll have to disassemble/decompile the software. And that, dear naive friend, is illegal under the DMCA. It doesn't matter if you do this for the greater good or just for your own use.

      It's quite absurd really. If you fix a broken proprietary program you bought^W licensed then you are breaking the law.

    9. Re:Two trends converge by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Since you don't have the source code and tool chain to build the proprietary software, you'll have to disassemble/decompile the software. And that, dear naive friend, is illegal under the DMCA. It doesn't matter if you do this for the greater good or just for your own use.

      It's quite absurd really. If you fix a broken proprietary program you bought^W licensed then you are breaking the law.

      Name one person ever prosecuted for that, without "distribution" being made of the patched code.

    10. Re:Two trends converge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you don't have the source code and tool chain to build the proprietary software, you'll have to disassemble/decompile the software.

      This guy doesn't seem to think that's too much of a problem.

      And that, dear naive friend, is illegal under the DMCA.

      And who is going to prosecute you and how? How are they even going to know? You have such a submissive attitude to the law that it makes you a complete defeatist.

    11. Re:Two trends converge by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Regardless of theory versus practice, it's ILLEGAL to fix bugs in proprietary software.

      I'm not talking about proprietary software or the legality of fixing bugs in it.

  8. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    If the source code for the OS in old Apple hardware were made public those old machines might become a magnet for hackers. Also, how much of the current software contains much of the old code? I wonder if the latest Mac OS is 90% the stuff that's five to seven years old.

    I don't know anything about your Telecaster but my guess it's not connected to the Internet since it was born in 1967, long before the Internet existed, so public information about it is not likely to result in any hacking of its usefulness.

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  9. I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...your fun at partys...

    1. Re:I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...your fun at partys...

      His fun what at parties?

    2. Re:I bet... by ddtmm · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's "you're" fun at parties...

    3. Re:I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky your their to correct him!

    4. Re:I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...your fun at partys...

      ...your fun at party's...

      FTFY

  10. Minimum Required by California Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is doing the bare minimum necessary to comply with California law for spare parts in consumer electronics. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Apple's offhand comments about the age of electronics consistently reference an interval shorter than seven years.

  11. Huh, a 3 year old phone... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sold until September 2013. I guess that 3 years renders a product "obsolete" in the Apple world...

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    1. Re:Huh, a 3 year old phone... by thsths · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bingo. It does not matter when they started selling it, but when they stopped. And 3 years is pretty good compared to Android (many phones never have an up to date version available), but it is not an acceptable duration of support. Progress has slowed significantly, and most IT departments now assume a device to last for 5 years. Personally I have used older, but that does require significant compromise.

    2. Re:Huh, a 3 year old phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 years is pretty good compared to Android (many phones never have an up to date version available), but it is not an acceptable duration of support.

      Basically no phones met your "acceptable" duration of support. So you never bought any smartphone ever?

      It's funny how people often accept things that later they would decry as "not acceptable".

  12. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm typing away on an obsoleted Mac Mini running the latest version of MacOS. Still works fine. Just as with you Atari ST, it's not going to get official support from the vendor, but I fully expect that I can keep using it for the next 20 years if I really felt like it. The #1 point of failure, the hard drive, is a relatively simple fix.

  13. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    You are arguing 'security through obscurity'. I thought we killed that line of thought years ago...

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  14. Re: Obsolete by jbolden · · Score: 0

    What positions are Trump supporters accused of holding that there is not substantial demographic evidence showing that at least millions of his supporters do hold? In short what are you talking about?

  15. Re: Obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It says behavior, not positions. As far as his behavior, first he brags about grabbing lady bits, then when wimmins' come out and say yep, he's telling the truth, Trump calls them liars.

    Was he lying to Billy Bush, or is he lying now?

    Defend it, own it, Trump supporter. But be careful, this is the kind of thing that Kirk used to blow up the AI computer in Star Trek.

  16. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Not really. What I'm saying is that should Apple or other PC makers release their OS software code to the public all hell would break loose not only for the old hardware but new OS/hardware too. Of course, high end, sophisticated hackers manage to find ways to defeat the newest stuff. Just don't make it easier for them and others.

    The Fender hardware could be hacked but that would occur by a repair shop and easily traced to its source.

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  17. Guess I'm obsolete... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 0

    Still love my Aluminum Macbook from late 2008. Too old for my kids' Minecraft, but does flash games and internet in general fine.

    Of course it's too slow for recent versions of MacOS, but still works nicely on the latest version of Linux Mint.

    Apple hardware is still good (when they have updated specs, of course), it's just their OSs that makes things obsolete.

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    1. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by bangwhistle · · Score: 1

      My 2007 Macbook Pro is still find hardware-wise, though I did upgrade the hard drive a few years ago for more capacity. It hasn't been able to run a supported version of OS X for a while. I've re-imaged it with Linux so I could continue to safely use it online. I was not heavily invested in Apple apps, so was not a tough call.

      I can understand the business decisions at work here, and am glad to have an option other than ponying up for shiny new hardware.

    2. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by jimbo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just updated my 2006 Macbook Pro C2D to KUbuntu 14.04 from SnowLeopard because Chrome/Firefox don't support it anymore..

      For some reason the 64 bit version couldn't boot so had to be 32bit KUbuntu. Google Chrome doesn't come for 32bit Linux, Chromium does but couldn't load pages. Fortunately Firefox still works but I fear I won't get many more years out of it.

    3. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      I have the white Macbook 2.1 "Late 2007 Santa Rosa" 2Gb of ram max. I installed Kubuntu to get Chrome again. I only changed the battery in 2010.

    4. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The general rule of thumb is, if you're not an app dev (iphone or android) then don't buy macs. Period. The same money will get you a x3 more powerful republic of gamers or a lenovo or an xps notebook.

    5. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The general rule of thumb is, if you're not an app dev (iphone or android) then don't buy macs. Period. The same money will get you a x3 more powerful republic of gamers or a lenovo or an xps notebook.

      Yeah, and they all run Windows. I'll take macOS over Windows any day, and I'm not an app developer. I'm just someone who appreciates not having to deal with the increasingly terrible Windows OS. To each his own, but I'll take a Mac any day.

    6. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      The general rule of thumb is, if you're not an app dev (iphone or android) then don't buy macs. Period. The same money will get you a x3 more powerful republic of gamers or a lenovo or an xps notebook.

      So sez an ANONYMOUS, COWARD.

    7. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't boot 64bit anything out of the box because the 2006 Macs had a 32bit EFI and also in many cases 32bit processors. You can hack them to boot 64bit OSX if you had a C2D but you start to run into hardware issues where 64bit OSX drivers for the graphics card just do not exist.

    8. Re:Guess I'm obsolete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The general rule of thumb is, if you're not an app dev (iphone or android) then don't buy macs. Period. The same money will get you a x3 more powerful republic of gamers or a lenovo or an xps notebook.

      So sez an ANONYMOUS, COWARD.

      yes and im sure your name is really "macs4all", whether you're psuedonymous or anonymous makes no practical difference at all.

      -ted

  18. REally News flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SO everyone is up in arms that Apple is obsoleting a 6 year old phone and computer.

    Yet they don't say shit when HTC/Dell/HP/Samsung does the exact same thing every year to all the models that are 1 year old or more.

    Go ahead and get a Software update from HTC for that HTC ONE 7... to the latest released android.. which is version 7.0... homm wierd not even the HtC one M8 or M9 can get 7.0 installed....

    Huh....

    1. Re:REally News flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy business class, it will do you much better

    2. Re:REally News flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wish.

  19. The round Pro is a great idea by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    It just needs an update (as does the whole Mac line at this point).

    The cooling design is good, and it offers plenty of expandability via ports. Make it as ugly as you like if you want to, but leave something slimmer for the rest of us that are fine with the core system plus something like a large external disk enclosure...

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    1. Re:The round Pro is a great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It just needs an update (as does the whole Mac line at this point).

      i.e. you need to buy a new one, rather than just doing the sensible thing like replacing the GPU with something more capable like you used to be able to do with Mac Pros. It's a real wasteful consumerist mentality of throwing away things you don't need to.

      Apple make a lot of good design decisions but they make a lot of crap ones too, especially with the new Pro. The worst of which is the rotation to access back ports, which of course looks nice in their marketing but in practise is completely stupid because to rotate it you need everything you have plugged in to have enough slack on the cables to be able to haul up on to the desk and wrap around the thing as you turn it, even the power cord!

      It ends up being an un-upgradeable mess of cables that the apologists praise for the things that don't matter in a workstation. Like whether it looks nice and some people get sucked into Apple's slick marketing but the results are ugly anyway. Thanks to the idiotic GPU setup you can't go cutting edge with graphics either, instead of a standard GPU you have to wait until a special custom board is made (if ever) just for the new Mac Pro.

      I know the apologists are now saying "well if you really need cutting edge then just don't buy Apple" but that's not the answer, we used to be able to when they made good cutting edge products that were supported with standard components going forward.

    2. Re:The round Pro is a great idea by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Any significant upgrade would be replacing Broadwell or Skylake w/ Kaby Lake, and upgrading the memory and SSD densities in a workstation (Or whatever the Xeon equivalents of those CPUs are). But on the CPU front, Intel has long gotten to the point of diminishing returns, so there's nothing much to gain by updating it.

      This workstation is an excellent design, and reminiscent of the stuff that used to come out once upon a time from Silicon Graphics. And the OS too is just perfect - it's FreeBSD under the hood (talking userland here, not kernel), and if one needs snazzy graphics and animation, there is Quartz above the hood. Just the perfect Unixstation to address anybody's needs.

    3. Re:The round Pro is a great idea by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      i.e. you need to buy a new one, rather than just doing the sensible thing like replacing the GPU with something more capable

      You can replace the GPU, so what's your damage Heather?

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    4. Re:The round Pro is a great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can replace the GPU, so what's your damage Heather?

      Can you possibly have your own rational thought rather than just what Apple tells you to think for a second. You know damn well what I'm talking about here so why pretend that you don't? You can't put a cutting edge GPU in the Mac Pro, fact. You know that so why do you pretend that you don't? Yes I own Apple shares too but that doesn't make me a corporate slave and marketing drone like you.

      The highest spec offered is dual AMD FirePro D700 with 6GB RAM each, that's a long long way from the cutting edge GPU you can drop into even the older Mac Pro. So why is the best that Apple has to offer so far behind? Stupid design! Now either you don't know this and you're just desperate to defend Apple or you're pretending not to and really it doesn't make that much difference which it is.

  20. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I'm saying is that should Apple or other PC makers release their OS software code to the public all hell would break loose not only for the old hardware but new OS/hardware too.

    Why should that be? Finding exploitable bugs through the source code is not an easy way to do it. If you pay attention to the news on here you might notice the occasional security flaw in open source software that has been unnoticed for over a decade.

  21. Re: I bet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....your fun at partys

  22. Not entirely true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can write drivers for windows and if you have enough money, they will include features for you.

    1. Re:Not entirely true by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      You can write drivers for windows and if you have enough money, they will include features for you.

      Yeah, but the money required is quite a few orders of magnitude higher than for changes to Linux or BSD.

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  23. Re: Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by DMFNR · · Score: 1

    Software is no more or less vulnerable with the source code available. Everything can be decompiled to a hex dump and then to assembly instructions. With the code available at least the interested parties have a chance to patch vulnerabilities as they are discovered, with an abandoned piece of software they are SOL. I'd take a slightly lower barrier to discovery over an inabiliy to fix any day. That said, as someone mentioned before, I suspect intellectual property is the biggest barrier to companies releasing abandoned code. These products dont get rewritten every release, they evolve, and I imagine we'd be surprised how old a lot of the code in these products is.

  24. 2010 MacBook users: by tomxor · · Score: 2

    FYI, Ubuntu is very smooth and fast on my 2008 mbp, FreeBSD runs nice too but drivers less so. Just because Apple doesn't want you to use it doesn't mean it's useless, don't buy more Apple shit if they keep prematurely obsoleting things with hardware that's barely improved.

    1. Re:2010 MacBook users: by buddhaunderthetree · · Score: 1

      I'm running El Capitan on a late 2008 MBP with no problems. After seven years of daily use this thing just keeps running. I think too much is made of these kind of announcements.

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      "Technology.....the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it." Max Firsch
    2. Re:2010 MacBook users: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, you didn't even read the summary...

      Apple will no longer provide hardware service for these devices. That doesn't mean you have to stop using it.

      macOS Sierra runs on that MacBook Air, so it'll get software/security fixes for quite some time to come. And, as you said, you can always run a different operating system.

      iOS 10 won't run on the iPhone 4 (neither would iOS 9 or 8), but Smartphones have different support cycles software wise.

  25. Stopping support after 5 years is not that bad by GuB-42 · · Score: 1, Funny

    You can still use your 5 year old devices, they won't spontaneously explode.
    I heard that they recently contacted Samsung in order to find a way to fix this problem.

  26. Doh by fomalhaut · · Score: 1

    My mid-2010 15'' MBP still works as a champ (dual 512GB SSDs, 8GB RAM). It goes or I go.

  27. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    I've got a 1967 Fender Telecaster. It's a beauty. Plays a treat. Fender probably don't support it any more but my local guitar tech can fix it as he's got wiring diagrams etc.

    Bit of a difference there. Like dozens of orders of magnitude.

    The "electronics" in a 1967 Fender Telecaster (like most "electric" guitars/basses) is laughably primitive. A couple of Potentiometers, a Capacitor, a 1/4" Jack, a pickup-switch (if needed) and one or more inductive pickups. We're done now.

    Now, let's compare that with the electronics in a Macbook Air...

  28. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    If the source code for the OS in old Apple hardware were made public those old machines might become a magnet for hackers. Also, how much of the current software contains much of the old code? I wonder if the latest Mac OS is 90% the stuff that's five to seven years old. I don't know anything about your Telecaster but my guess it's not connected to the Internet since it was born in 1967, long before the Internet existed, so public information about it is not likely to result in any hacking of its usefulness.

    That Fender Telecaster not only doesn't run any code; but it doesn't even have one transistor, let along the millions that are in something like a MacBook Air.

    Even Guitars/Basses with "Active Electronics" are not even 1/4 as sophisticated inside as a 1960 battery-operated AM transistor radio...

  29. Re:Fender to obsolete the '67 Telecaster ? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    You are arguing 'security through obscurity'. I thought we killed that line of thought years ago...

    No doubt. Since Linux has by far the smallest desktop marketshare of any OS and yet has many more times the malware than does macOS (OS X).