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Samsung Announces 10nm SoC In Mass-Production (anandtech.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from AnandTech: Today Samsung announced mass production of a SoC built on its third-generation 10nm "10LPE" manufacturing node. It was only this January that Samsung announced mass production of its 14LPP process that ended up being used in the Exynos 8890 and the Snapdragon 820 powering up a large amount of flagship devices this year. There wasn't any specification as to what kind of SoC the mass production announcement is referring to, but it's very likely we're talking about S.LSI's next generation Exynos -- or maybe even Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820 successor, both of which we'll hopefully hear official announcements from in the coming months. The process promises some significant speed and power efficiency advantages over current generation designs so it's likely the next generation of devices will see a large boost, similarly to how the first 14/16 SoCs had large improvements over previous generation 20/28nm designs. Interestingly the new SoCs will have an edge on recent and upcoming designs still being released on 16nm manufacturing processes, such as Apple's A10 or other TSMC customers who have to wait till next year for 10FF. Samsung writes in its press release: "Samsung's new 10nm FinFET process (10LPE) adopts an advanced 3D transistor structure with additional enhancements in both process technology and design enablement compared to its 14nm predecessor, allowing up to 30-percent increase in area efficiency with 27-percent higher performance or 40-percent lower power consumption. In order to overcome scaling limitations, cutting edge techniques such as triple-patterning to allow bi-directional routing are also used to retain design and routing flexibility from prior nodes."
this is going to be HOT
Nullius in verba
How well does the bi-directional routing via the triple-patterning hold up when the device is on fire?
Will it have built-in fire suppression? I know, that's the feature I'll be looking for in my next Samsung phone.
- what the hell's an SoC?
Source of Conflagration
Nullius in verba
System on Chip
I dunno man, I'm just a coder and I didn't recognize the term either. I was glad to see it asked and answered already.
I'm impressed he even knows who Bunny is.
How can you work with computers at a level of programming and not know what a SoC is? I'm sorry if I'm coming across as an a-hole, I don't mean to, but it's shocking to me. As the GP said, CPU and RAM are just as common terms since a SoC often contains both, as well as modems and more. If you've ever heard somebody talk about SnapDragon, that's one of the worlds most popular mobile phone SoC product lines in existence. Like, pull up the wiki page for probably 70% of the mobile phones made today and you'll see SnapDragon right there in the specifications.
I would understand if you weren't a programmer, but as one.... Are you a high level web programmer who never touches mobile devices or embedded programming of any kind?
Actually, to be fair, while /. is on top of every software concept out there, it is pretty clueless when it comes to the semiconductor industry
The "nanometers" game is a big scam. You can call your process whatever you want based on any of various parameters and based on how you want to market it.
Not sure how Samsung's stacks up, but TSMC is claiming they will soon have 10nm (TM) soon and their process is more like a traditional 14-16nm process.
It's all a bunch of fakery and lies. The proof is in the pudding of performance, yield, and profits due to density.
You could have just said "are you not actually a programmer?"
I am perfectly willing to go with "If you don't know what an SoC is, you are definitely not a programmer, you're probably not even worthy of the not-very-kind appellation 'script kiddy.' The word that comes to mind is actually 'clueless.""
The first one is Compact Pyrotechnic Unit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Let's hope Samsung doesn't pack it with so much innovation that it becomes uncontrollable.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016...
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
So here we have an article about a technical thing on Slashdot and we see an example of the cultural zeitgeist. We all know about the Note 7 and we all want to be part of the in-joke, so you see post after post about fires and explosions.
They've merely found a good way to implement the "Halt and Catch Fire" command.
The second is "Rest and Meltdown."
How does the technology being used for these chips compare to the latest and greatest Intel are doing? Intel has had fabs that are a generation or 2 in front of everyone else for many years now, does this new technology mean someone is finally catching up to Intel?
Sorry, but no way is SoC as common a term as RAM or CPU. Maybe in certain fields it's as common, but my dad knows what a CPU is and wouldn't have a clue what SoC is. I would say that SoC is about as common a term as IoT.
How is the Javascript and Visual Basic coding doing nowadays? How many libraries have you imported today?
I'm a VB coder in my day job (don't laugh) and I feel embarrassed for GP.
Samsung is implementing support for the good old HCF instruction
But they are working hard to implement a safety CPF instruction (Continue, Prevent Fire), to be sure you don't explode the device too soon.
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Yeah, such small Penis sizes exist only in Marketing, for sure.
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Then your dad has been out of touch with the tech industry for a very long time. The term "SoC" has been mainstream for at least 15 years.
Let me guess, he's a COBOL programmer, right?
Somehow this story showed up in my Slashdot feed, when it's really just supposed to trigger a mass outpouring of the reflex derision arc among those so inclined (said barf cookies falsely paraded by its practitioners as chuckle fodder).
"There, don't you feel better now? Now come sit with us at the adult table." Amazing what a quickie bile purge can accomplish in raising the level of discussion elsewhere.
This is all good. Yet somehow my dank, reeking bile seems to have been misclassified as grasshopper lipstick and I seem to be trapped in completely the wrong purgative honeypot. Where do I unclick "chuckle fodder"? Where do I unclick "news-item-of-the-week free-association paralympics"? Which direction do I kneel to moon Marvin, patron saint of universal laugh-at-anything good will?
No, I'm not new here. It must be shocking to some that I haven't figured out my account configuration yet. You'd think I'd know by now that no unexplored configuration sub-menu goes ultimately unpunished.
Well, now I know. True hell is becoming stuck in the wrong hellban honeypot.
System on a Chip. Basically the guts of whatever you're building. You may have other chipsets for auxiliary purposes (radios, GPS, etc) but this is what makes your device. In this case, it is a bit vague, since you can have SoC for a lot of reasons. But we all can assume it's an ARM based chip for use in Android products.
In my local appliance store, they're selling a Samsung fridge with Windows 10 on it. I've seen the horror that you've seen. THE HORROR.
welcome to slashdot... where people say "i don't know X, please teach me" and the response is "FUCK YOU HOW COME YOU DON'T KNOW X!!!"
I exaggerate for effect, but not by much.
Think of it this way, what abstraction layer is being broken if you don't know what an SoC is? What model of programming is broken? If you don't know a CPU from a GPU, yeah, you're gonna fail at some point. If you think all memory is the same and you don't think of cache vs RAM vs spinning rust, then you'll have an unacceptable app. But an SoC vs many discrete chips? How will that break you?