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Mark Zuckerberg Defends Peter Thiel's Trump Ties In Internal Memo (theverge.com)

Soon after it was announced that Project Include, a community for building meaningful, enduring diversity and inclusion into tech companies, would no longer work with Y Combinator startups, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg defended Thiel's status as a Facebook board member in a message to employees. "We can't create a culture that says it cares about diversity and then excludes almost half the country because they back a political candidate," Zuckerberg wrote. "There are many reasons a person might support Trump that do not involve racism, sexism, xenophobia, or accepting sexual assault." The Verge reports: A screenshot of the memo was posted to Hacker News yesterday, and it later surfaced on Boing Boing. A Facebook spokesman confirmed the authenticity of the five-paragraph memo to The Verge. It appears to have been posted on Facebook for Work, the enterprise version of Facebook that the company recently made available to other companies. Thiel's endorsement of Trump has put those CEOs in a difficult position. On one hand he is a close adviser; on the other, his support for an erratic, racist demagogue has outraged many of their employees and partners. Like Y Combinator's Sam Altman before him, Zuckerberg defended the company's ties to Thiel by saying that the company has a moral obligation to consider a variety of viewpoints, no matter how abhorrent. "We care deeply about diversity," Zuckerberg wrote. "That's easy to do when it means standing up for ideas you agree with. It's a lot harder when it means standing up for the rights of people with different viewpoints to say what they care about. That's even more important." Of course, as the designer Jason Putorti wrote on Medium this week, Thiel already has an outsized capacity to stand up for ideas he agrees with: he spent $1.25 million to promote them. Zuckerberg's memo reads as if he is defending Thiel's right to post on Facebook. In fact, the question is whether someone who promotes opposition to gender and racial equality should be allowed to serve as a steward for a company whose stated mission is to connect the world.

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  1. Minefield by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This SJW stuff is a minefield for companies that are trying to actually accomplish stuff. I suggest staying away and not answering their calls.

    1. Re:Minefield by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the question is whether someone who promotes opposition to gender and racial equality should be allowed to serve as a steward for a company whose stated mission is to connect the world.

      Ok...I'm not the biggest Trump fan, hell, I con't care for either one of them...

      But with all that Trump has said or promoted, I've not seen yet where he came out to promote the agenda that is against equality in matters of gender and race.

      Has Thiel himself come out for these views against equality? If so, I missed that.

      Trump has said a lot of stupid shit, but I've not heard him yet say he was against racial or gender equality.

      This is really getting dangerous in this country, if people start getting blackballed, hired or fired for having expressed mere support for X political party or Y viewpoint.

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    2. Re:Minefield by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean Trump likes the ladies? Is that forbidden now? Has it now gotten to the point where I am more likely to be lynched for being like Hugh Hefner than Bruce Jenner?

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    3. Re:Minefield by topologist · · Score: 5, Informative

      Has Thiel himself come out for these views against equality? If so, I missed that.

      Thiel has stated that the 19th amendment to the United States constitution (granting female suffrage) has "rendered the notion of ‘capitalist democracy’ into an oxymoron.”

    4. Re:Minefield by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, it is, didn't you get the memo? Forbidden... well, only if you're running for office, for the time being.

      Sarcasm aside, it does seem that these days a presidential candidate can't be someone who openly likes the ladies, or admits to that in a private conversation, or did inhale during his college days, or had alcohol before he turned 21, or is an atheïst, or did something dumb when he was young, or had premarital sex, or a DUI, or used the N word at a drunken blowout, or or or. Well, maybe you can find a candidate with a spotless record, who will remain standing under the closest scrutiny, no skeletons in the closet. Would such a person make a good president? Hell, the idea of someone like that telling the rest of us what to do scares me more than a little...

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    5. Re: Minefield by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Informative

      His flagship policy is a wall to keep illegal immigrants out.

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    6. Re:Minefield by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      His flagship policy is to build a wall to keep Mexicans out.

      No..to keep the ILLEGALLY border crossing Mexicans (and anyone else using that border) out.

      There's a big difference.

      I don't think many Americans have problems with LEGAL immigrants.

      We just want them to sign the fucking guest book on the way in, you know?

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    7. Re:Minefield by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're a Trump supporter and drop him over a single issue you happen to disagree with or a single scandal, what then?

      Move over to Hillary? Why? Because her political plank issues don't match you in any way, BUT AT LEAST SHE SUPPOSEDLY HASN'T EVER TOLD A SEX JOKE!

      The thing I find really amusing about the PussyLeaks issue is that the left demands I drop Trump because of pussy grabbing, when they're not dropping Hillary because of the rape victim intimidation. But lefties, this is YOUR ISSUE. As a right winger, I'm already an evil sexist. So how is this argument possibly persuasive? Trump is SO EVIL because he admits that women will let stars grab their pussies that I must abandon my policy goals (the wall, law & order, deporting illegals, killing the TPP, etc)...and then vote for Hillary? Who threatens her husband's rape victims? How is that better?

      I don't care about wymynz rights crap. They do! If Hillary threatening rape victims isn't bad enough to get them to drop their politics, why on earth should Trump being a pussy hound be bad enough for me to drop mine?

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    8. Re: Minefield by myid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, Hillary and Obama voted for the "Secure Fence Act of 2006". See this list of who voted for it. Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton all voted for it.

      Also, Mrs. Clinton gave a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations on October 31, 2016. A transcript of the speech, and Q&A after the speech, are here. (You can do a search on that web page for the word "Mexico".)

      A video of part of the speech is here. From 2:17 to 2:29: "What we need to simultaneously - you know, secure our borders with technology, personnel, physical barriers if necessary in some places - and we need to have tougher employer sanctions ..."

  2. Re:Fair point by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fair point. There's total and utter stupidity too.

    You might also consider it the support of the lesser or the two evils being presented to us this time around.

    Many are likely voting one way or the other on the potential for the Supreme Court balance alone. That's actually my main issue now, along with gun rights.

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  3. Propaganda by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apologize while bashing the hell out of the Political Candidate you dislike. The propaganda is so thick you can taste it.

    So can Facebook say "Thanks" to Mark followed by "On behalf of the Corrupt politician, corrupt political party, and corrupt media trying to install her we give our thanks!"

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  4. two bad choices by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Informative

    his support for an erratic, racist demagogue has outraged many of their employees and partners

    So, support for a corrupt, lying manipulator shouldn't be cause for outrage? Because that's the only realistic alternative in this election. We have two horrible candidates running. If you don't see that and hurl epithets at people who make a different choice from you, the problem is with you.

  5. But it was Ok to ban most of California voters? by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "We can't create a culture that says it cares about diversity and then excludes almost half the country because they back a political candidate,"

    When Brendan Eich was ousted from Mozilla, it was for his private backing of California Proposition 8, which won the backing of over 52% of California voters. By the hateful logic of Mr. Eich's detractors, the entire State of California should've been boycotted by the freedom-loving web-sites until the State purged their thought-criminals.

    Where Mr. Zuckerberg stood on that boycott is unclear, but the words he is preaching now, should've been uttered then.

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  6. Great Point! Evidence lacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump was labeled anti-Hispanic because he wants to close the border with Mexico and correct the illegal immigration issue (uh oh, I used the bad phrase). He discussed the issues of bringing in even more immigrants and refugees from the Middle East which got him labeled Islamophobic and xenophobic. He talked about Obama's birth certificate which somehow landed him as a racist but ignores the Hillary camp who ran the same story before Trump. Hillary still hangs out with Bloomenthal so he has to be an open racist.

    The woman thing is a bit more complex because Trump has high beauty standards, says so, and was a Celebrity in a position where lots of offers came his way, and had an interesting audio leak(1). Sorry kids, but some women know that sex appeal is a way of getting ahead in the world and are not afraid to use it. I think that makes him a bit shallow, but not different than most men who have beauty standards too. They just happen to be less vocal about it and lack the soap box.

    (1) Audio starts with him telling Bush that he tried hard to get with someone and was turned down. That is not sexual assault, that's called dating. We know that this happened in the past because he says "now she has those fake boobs and such". Middle of the audio is talking about a particular type of woman, so stop the crap generalizations. If you have not at least heard people talk about legs, butts, boobs, bulges, etc.. and you are past puberty you are 100% hearing impaired. I'll bet that you actually talked about those things more than once when you thought you were in close company. The end of the audio and video, Trump comes out and is a complete gentlemen. Bush tells HER to give HIM a hug, and within 2 seconds Trump volunteered to her that he was spoken for. That is not a sexual predator.

    The whole narrative at this point is contrived and abused to point of being senseless. I got bored listening to speeches and reading transcripts to disprove the media narrative so now I get maybe 1 in 3. The media keeps rehashing the few "Gotcha" lines they caught weeks and months ago as if that was all Trump said. It's crap, not journalism.

    Posting anonymously because the Leftist's aversion to people reading the truth will get this moderated to hell in short order. Stefan Molyneux has a great series called the Truth about Trump which breaks down all of these facts and more regarding the narrative of the left to install a candidate.

  7. Re:Of course you can. And you should. by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Of course we can create a culture that excludes people based on their support of a political candidate.

    The founding fathers are all rolling in their graves right now.

    This bullshit is pure Hilter and pure Stalin. Trump has nothing on you people.

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  8. Everybody needs shoes by PraiseBob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Michael Jordan once said, "Republicans buy shoes too." He has political views, but didn't want his brand associated with only 50% of shoppers. Some companies want to be part of culture wars. Chick-fil-a doesnt believe in equal rights for gays, Target makes a big deal about letting transgender people pee. That's part of their image and identity that they want their brand to be. Shoppers can make their own choices.

    FB seems to be going a third way, and supporting both candidates, which in turn pisses off both sides. So the angry people can then... post rants on Facebook which generates hits and more traffic from political discussions, and more ad revenue. Ah, clever...

  9. Diversity Bullshit by sycodon · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is clear that the SJWs only believe in one kind of Diversity...of Race

    They are not interested in Diversity of Opinion
    They are not interested in Diversity of Thought
    They are not interested in the Diversity of Goals

    If you think differently than them, have different opinions, or don't share their SJW goals, you are Other and are to be despised.

    Don't bother arguing otherwise.

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    Google for more.

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    1. Re:Diversity Bullshit by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jeeze. Try learning to read.

      Nobody SAID it was the government.

      But the modern SJW "culture" has become deeply and pervasively TOXIC.

      Now, it's not just enough to disagree with them or even ridicule them.

      No, they must be DESPISED. then disenfranchised and ultimately destroyed. By any means necessary.
      This isn't just "voting with your dollars" and "refusing the patronize". This is ACTIVELY trying to damage a business by harassing its customers and physically interfering with people trying to do business with them.

      Why? Because they're trying to sell a narrative that WORDS are the equivalent of VIOLENCE. Thus, they can feel justified using REAL violence in response to "wrong" opinions.

      I'm sorry, that shit just AIN'T okay!

      If you don't like what someone has to say, fine. Debate them.
      Don't want to debate them? Ignore them. Don't patronize where they work.

      But going out of your way to destroy someone's life? How fucking petty and pathetic is that?

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  10. Agreed. Personally, liberal condescension offends by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my opinion, Trump is a loudmouth not unlike Howard Stern, and definitely should not be president. When it comes to RACIST remarks, these are some of the comments I've come across:
    Calling employees "n*gger" (Hillary)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Calling people "f*cking Jew bastard" (Hillary, confirmed by three witnesses)
    https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

    Hillary said publicly that her mentor is Robert Byrd, former KKK leader.

    That idiot trump *has* talked about building a wall; Hillary actually voted to do so.

    What bothers me much, much more, though, is the condescension of Hillary and friends towards my family. It *really* bothers me that they tell my daughter, in effect, "we'll give you an extra ten points on this test since you're black, and obviously black people like you are too stupid to actually learn the material like we white people can do". The hidden, implied racism and bigotry that runs deep in all of their policies is infuriating to me. When my daughter hears Hillary call someone a "n*gger" or a "f*cking Jew bastard", I explain to my daughter that Hillary is wrong, very wrong. Some people are stupid and say stupid things; that's simple enough to understand and accept. But when the entire school system, through college, is predicated on the assumption that my daughters complexion makes her less capable, it's harder to convincingly explain that EVERYONE setting school policy are ALL morons. I'm sure she will at times wonder if they are right; and that saddens and angers me tremendously.

  11. He does not by melted · · Score: 5, Informative

    >> He wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US.

    Will you stop spreading this tired bit of propaganda? He merely wants to stop the flow of people from Muslim countries _with may of which we're de-facto at war_, and then only until appropriate vetting procedures are established. This never was about a blanket "Muslim" ban.

    Can you guys and galls get it through your thick skulls that letting in military-age men of an uncertain background from the countries where radical Islam is a dominant ideology is an absolutely idiotic thing to do? What's so bad about figuring out how to make sure you're not letting in an ISIS or Al Quaeda operative?

    1. Re:He does not by PatientZero · · Score: 4, Informative

      This never was about a blanket "Muslim" ban.

      "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

      Donald Trump

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  12. Re: PS "grep | wc" says Dems 25X more racist by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > > In my opinion, the constant focus on race and gender is stupid and highly counter-productive. I think we should be talking about the QUALIFICATIONS of Supreme Court nominees, not going on and on about where their great-great-grandfather was born, nor the contents of their underwear.

    > Let me introduce you to Merrick Garland.

    Sure, let's talk about Merrick Garland. Judicial experts considered him to be one of the most qualified candidates in 2009. Clinton chose a less-qualified candidate with a vagina and darker skin.

    In 2010, there was another vacancy. Commentators again pointed to Garland. Obama appointed a less-qualified person with a vagina and darker skin.

    In 2016, with no more political elections ahead of him, Obama nominated Garland. Certain Republicans decided they'd rather a 50%-50% chance of getting a justice who follows the Constitution as written, appointed by the next president. They think Merrick Garland's type of judicial reasoning is fundamentally wrong. Liberals, on the other hand, criticized the pick why? Because of his lack of experience? No, he had experience. They complained that Obama should have picked someone with a darker complexion.