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Russians Seek Answers To Central Moscow GPS Anomaly (yahoo.com)

stevegee58 writes: Russians have been noticing that their GPS doesn't work in Moscow near the Kremlin. Everyone from taxi drivers to Pokemon Go players suddenly notice that they're transported 18 miles away at the airport when they near the Kremlin. While this may be an annoyance to the public it seems like a reasonable countermeasure to potential terrorist threats. Is it only a matter of time before other vulnerable sites such as the White House or the Capitol in Washington start doing the same? "A programmer for Russian internet firm Yandex, Grigory Bakunov, said Thursday his research showed a system for blocking GPS was located inside the Kremlin, the heavily guarded official residence of Russian President Vladimir Putin," reports Yahoo. "The first anomaly was recorded in June, according to Russian media reports, which have also suggested that the GPS interference comes and goes in a pattern. Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday he did not know why the malfunction was occurring and admitted experiencing the problem himself when driving recently. Peskov redirected questions to Russia's Federal Guards Service, which is responsible for protecting the Kremlin and senior Russian officials."

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  1. Bollocks by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    it seems like a reasonable countermeasure to potential terrorist threats.

    In conjunction with the fact that it isn't marked on any paper maps and is completely invisible, you mean?

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    1. Re:Bollocks by willy_me · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is likely a defence against autonomous drones. One can pilot drones without GPS but autonomous operation requires a location reference. This will be ineffective against guided bombs or cruise missiles so it looks like Russia wants to protect themselves against other Russians.

    2. Re:Bollocks by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So instead of terrorists blowing up the Kremlin, and maybe killing a couple dozen high-ranking officals, the terrorists will be re-directed to Moscow's airport, where they can blow up hundreds of people. Good plan.

    3. Re:Bollocks by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      That would be fine if the self-guided drones and weapons only used GPS, they don't. Often they use a multitude of things, from GPS, to visual, to laser pinpointing, to other things we don't even know about.

      It's not a perfect defense, but it will stop casual attackers using toy technology. On the other hand, the reason all the ATM skimmers come from Russia is that they spent a lot of money on mathematics education. If there's any hackers in the world ready to make their drones finish a journey on dead reckoning when the GPS goes funny, it's probably Russian ones.

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  2. Re:Signal triangulation = GPS by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that it's know that there is an error then any attacker would plan for alternatives.

    The only way it really can be effective is when it's not active until really needed.

    And there are still maps, alternative beacons, compasses (magnetic and gyro) and dead reckoning that can be used to find such targets for anyone out to perform an attack.

    People were able to navigate even before GPS existed.

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  3. Re:Signal triangulation = GPS by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Putin Russia, GPS relocate you!

  4. Is it really hard to figure out? by DrXym · · Score: 2

    Assuming the story to be true, the answer to the anomaly is pretty obvious. The USA is sending a message - fuck around with us and we can fuck around with you. Of course Russia has GLONASS but I bet a lot of devices don't use it or prefer GPs.

    1. Re:Is it really hard to figure out? by jaa101 · · Score: 3, Informative

      GPS coverage can't be disabled or modified by the GPS satellites selectively over such a small area as the Kremlin. The satellites are essentially just sending the time and their location continuously and their antennas aren't very directional. Anything they did that affected accuracy at the Kremlin would have to affect a wide surrounding area as well. Any localised effect as described has to be local jamming which almost certainly means official Russian involvement.

  5. Re:Satellites are not in buildings by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    A better answer might be that the best reasonable directional antennas are not directional enough to reject a strong local jamming signal.

  6. Re:I want one by kreuzotter · · Score: 2

    Me too. It could tell my ankle bracelet that I am at home when I am at the air port.

  7. Plenty of devices support GLONASS by nicolaiplum · · Score: 2

    Most recent phones support GLONASS. Even an older device like the Nexus 5 does so. You can use an app like GPS Test (by Chartcross, for Android) to see them. They're the higher numbered satellite (60s, 70s). The support is built into the GPS integrated receiver, from Qualcomm and others.

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  8. Re:Signal triangulation = GPS by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's because Putin's animal magnetism has a 18m radius.

  9. Re:Counter-countermeasures? by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

    Not only that but just like how the CCTV:s in the UK in the end helped the criminals to optimize their business this will in the end help the terrorists to optimize their business. Now they can build drones that fly around looking for these anomalies in order to map out all potential targets, many of which one would probably never be able to find otherwise.

  10. Only one reason to jam GPS... by dislexic · · Score: 2

    In an instance of war or a strategic hit precision guided bombing sequence requires gps. If there is no gps they will have to use laser guidance or some other less 'fire and forget' tracking method. Bomb makers knew this day was coming Guided-Bomb Makers Anticipate GPS Jammers http://www.defensenews.com/sto...

    1. Re: Only one reason to jam GPS... by dislexic · · Score: 2

      When fighting at Mach 3 minute changes in vector can mean the difference between here and the next town over. No, gyros, and accelerometers are no replacement for gps when your target needs are within 10 sq feet

  11. Massive misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is strange to see many posters think that GPS is an american something. GPS is a shorthand for the generic term "Global Positioning System".

    The american implementation is called NAVSTAR,
    The soviet (later russian) implementation is called Glonass,
    The European Union has Galileo and
    The chinese system is called COMPASS
    (but most call it Bei-dou, lit. art of wayfinding, in order not to confuse it with "Compass Call" which is an american military satellite jamming aircraft).

    All of these are Global Positioning Systems, although there were a few years after the fall of USSR, when only the american system had truly global reach, due to russians' lack of funds to replace ailing satellites.

  12. Re:Signal triangulation = GPS by MouseR · · Score: 2

    Some weapons are GPS-guided, such as JDAM-assisted bombs.

    The world is gearing up for a heated conflict. Wether it occurs or not is a different story. But last month's US chief of armies gave a chilling speech where they expect mass casualties within 10 years, to the likes of WWII.

    The nations are placing their pieces on the map and gearing up for defence. GPS denial devices is an obvious counter-measure, assuming it actually deter military -grade GPS systems (which are far more precise than civilian ones).

  13. Re:Diversion by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Future headline:

    Russian leader Vladimir Putin was killed in a freak accident today while crossing the street next to the Kremlin. A fully autonomous prototype Tesla sedan had veered out of control and was speeding through central Moscow side streets at freeway speeds, and it tragically ran over Putin and several of his bodyguards. A defiant Elon Musk issued the following statement: "Our vehicle had nothing to do with this incident. We've analyzed the black box data, and this car was miles away at the airport at the time of the accident."