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Global CO2 Concentration Passes Threshold of 400 ppm -- and That's Bad for the Climate (time.com)

The average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere hit the symbolic level of 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in 2015 and has continued to surge in 2016, according to the World Meteorological Organization. From a report on Time:Scientists say humans may need to take some carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere to stop global warming. The carbon dioxide concentration is unlikely to dip below the 400 ppm mark for at least several decades, even with aggressive efforts to reduce global carbon emissions, according to the WMO report, which confirms similar findings reported last month. Carbon dioxide can last in the atmosphere for thousands of years without efforts to remove it. "The year 2015 ushered in a new era of optimism and climate action," said WMO Secretary-General Petteri Taalas, referring to the landmark Paris Agreement to address climate change. "The real elephant in the room is carbon dioxide, which remains in the atmosphere for thousands of years and in the oceans for even longer."

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  1. Perspective by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just going to note that here's what this means in terms of how the global average temperatures have been changing, and how rapidly so compared to the past:
    http://xkcd.com/1732/

    1. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Let me help you out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/media/File:All_palaeotemps.svg

      As you can see, picking the 20,000 year mark is a most obvious cherry pick. BY geologic time scales, we are well be low average.

  2. Hockey Stick is NOT the full story by BCGlorfindel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just going to note that here's what this means in terms of how the global average temperatures have been changing, and how rapidly so compared to the past:

    http://xkcd.com/1732/

    Here's a link to the actual paper the xkcd graph is derived from.

    Before drawing conclusions from the graph trend starting at the year 1900, read the journal article more closely. Specifically the part where it notes that the trend from 1900 onwards is graphing the instrumental record, while the period before 1900 is from their proxy reconstruction. As in, before leaping up and declaring human industrial era began at 1900, also note that the SOURCE OF DATA changed at 1900 too.

  3. The math by nycsubway · · Score: 4, Informative

    The math of climate change is fairly straightforward. CO2 and methane in the atmosphere cause more heat to be trapped in the atmosphere and oceans. There's a certain amount of carbon that was stored underground over millions of years in the form of oil and coal. That carbon was slowly extracted from the atmosphere by plants over the course of 500 million years and stored underground. During that time, the planet's temperature went up and down for various reasons 1) Earth's orbit and distance from the sun 2) volcanic activity releasing CO2 3) aerosols reflecting light back into space 4) the reflectivity of the surface of the earth from accumulation of snow or melting of snow during those other changes 5) sudden die off or surge of plant life 6) other reasons.

    The rate of change for temperature and CO2 levels during all of those changes was gradual, with the changes taking place over thousands or millions of years. When CO2 was released in previous times, it was gradual. What's different about the current climate is that humans have raised the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by 140% in 200 years (280ppm to 400pm). That rate is way faster than any natural change in the history of the planet. That rate is what is so significant about human caused release of CO2 into the atmosphere. There are simply no natural factors to compare the methodical migration of carbon from the ground into the atmosphere.

    So, yes this is significant.

  4. Re:Everybody Panic! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit World Ending, Glaciers Melting, Seas Rising,

    You're correct, glaciers are melting, seas are rising, and the world certainly is ending for some species and even countries.

    WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

    You have that correct.

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  5. Re:Nuclear too expensive and too slow by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bringing a new nuclear plant online safely takes decades,

    You begin with a false statement, then proceed to spout ignorance and pie in the sky idealistic yet unrealistic things like 'just stop burning fossil fuels'.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/...

  6. Re:Queue the world ending in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    Preserving rain-forests doesn't help as much as hippies would like you to think since they are mostly carbon neutral.

    See? That's one of those misconceptions floating around. Yes, rain-forests are mostly carbon neutral. But your conclusion is wrong nevertheless. Because while rain-forests are mostly carbon neutral, cutting them down isn't. Each piece of organic matter that is destroyed adds to the carbon foot print, as long as it is not replaced by a piece of organic matter of the same size.

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  7. Re:Sea level rise isn't the main problem by kwiecmmm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some people think it is going to be gradual but there are people who think it could be sudden for a few reasons.

    Antartic ice sheets are melting at this time, but it is currently trapped by the ice there.

    Most people don't think these sorts of things happen regularly, but glacial floods have been seen in the earth's history (as long as you believe the earth older than 6000 years).

    Also, the reason that ocean sea level rise has not been seen everywhere up to this point is because the Arctic ice was over water, which meant that no water was added to the ocean. Antarctica and Greenland's ice are not currently a part of the ocean, so when this makes it to the ocean, things are going to go bad around the world.

    Aside from the climate change aspect the more immediate problem is acidifcation and warming of the sea which has already killed off a quarter of the barrier reef and is having serious effects elsewhere with plankton.

    And this is the other point, we have no idea what effects we are having on plankton populations. But then again, why do we need plankton, it isn't like we need to breathe.

  8. Re:Queue the world ending in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's gotten a lot worse under the new owners. There seem to be a lot of trolls lately, posting the same old, long-debunked denier garbage.

    Fortunately, the real world is catching up with these creeps, and their influence is diminishing even as their squawking gets louder.

    I don't even bother being polite anymore. I just identify them for what they are and move on.

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