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A Radiologist Has the Fastest Home Internet In the US (vice.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Jason Koebler via Motherboard has interviewed James Busch -- a radiologist and owner of "the first 10 Gbps residential connection in the United States" -- at a coffee shop in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Motherboard reports: "For reference, the Federal Communications Commission officially classifies 'broadband' as 25 Mbps. His connection is 400 times faster than that. Busch found a way to make good use of his 1 Gbps connection, and now he's found a use for 10 Gbps, too. 'An X-ray averages around 200 megabytes, then you have PET scans and mammograms -- 3D mammograms are 10 gig files, so they're enormous,' Busch said. 'We go through terabytes a year in storage. We've calculated out that we save about 7 seconds an exam, which might seem like, 'Who cares,' but when you read 20,000 or 30,000 exams every year, it turns out to be something like 10 days of productivity you're saving just from a bandwidth upgrade.' While 10 gig connections sound excessive at the moment, Busch says his family quickly started using all of its 1 gig bandwidth. 'We ballooned into that gig within eight or nine months. With my kids watching Netflix instead of TV, with me working, we did utilize that bandwidth,' he said. 'There were situations where my daughter would be FaceTiming and the others would be streaming on the 4K TVs and they'd start screaming at each other about hogging the bandwidth. We don't see that at 10 gigs.' So why does Busch have a 10 Gbps and the rest of us don't? For one, 10 Gbps offerings are rare and scattered in mostly rural communities that have decided to build their own internet networks. Most companies that have the technology offer gigabit connections (a still cutting-edge technology only available in a handful of cities) at affordable prices and 10 Gbps connections at comparatively exorbitant ones. In Chattanooga, 1 gig connections are $69.99 per month; 10 gig connections are $299. Thus far, 10 Gbps connections are available in Chattanooga; parts of southern Vermont; Salisbury, North Carolina; and parts of Detroit and Minneapolis. But besides Busch, I couldn't find any other people in the United States who have signed up for one. EPB, the Chattanooga government-owned power utility that runs the network, confirmed that Busch is the city's only 10 Gbps residential customer. Rocket Fiber, which recently began offering 10 Gbps in Detroit, told me that it has 'no customers set in stone,' but that it's in talks with prospective ones. Representatives for U.S. Internet in Minneapolis and Fibrant in Salisbury did not respond to my requests for comment. Michel Guite, president of the Vermont Telephone Company, told me his network has no 10 Gbps customers, either."
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I'd like to deploy a remote SDR (software defined radio) for real-time TDOA geo-location. At 200 Msps * 16 bit complex samples, it's close to 10G.
Sure, but has he found a use for more than 64K of RAM?
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Yes, nice to have 10Gbps connectivity to your home, wouldn't we all like that, think of the amount of pr0n? I work for an ISP, across our core we have 100Gbps x connects, OK there are multiple links, but we're close to max'ing those now.
WTF will it be looking like with consumers torrenting @ 10Gbps?
Meh. Not really thought through this article...
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With a combination of 1 Gig and 10 Gig customers, I have to wonder what the inbound provisioning is. For example, if everyone is downloading 1 Gig videos, when will it max out?
I also wonder if this bandwidth is symmetrical. Could he, for example, offer web hosting, for example (maybe paying a little more for a static IP)?
Who would have guessed that high speed internet in the home would end up being used to transfer images of female anatomy.
...And I can't get better than 50Mb/sec.
"But Comcast has..." (*SMACK*) I will not let Comcast be my ISP, for reasons which should be obvious by now to every member of this site.
The weird thing is that, about a year ago, a truck from HP Communications (no relation) strung fiber up around my residential neighborhood, allegedly on behalf of AboveNet (now part of Zayo). Since then, however, not a peep out of anyone even hinting at a residential fiber service offering.
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There's no way three kids or so are able to saturate a 1Gbps link with video streaming. A HD Netflix stream uses only about 5Mbps, with UHD at 25Mbps. As they're not using RTMP but something more like HLS/MPEG-DASH, caching of segments on-device means that even if all three are contending for the same link, outside of slow startup time they should be able to timeshare a connection effectively.
His transfers are the lion's share of the bandwidth, and some simple QoS on their gateway would have resolved the local issue. This is just terrible tech reporting. FOLLOW UP YOU LAZY BASTARDS.
200 MB for what might effectively be a black and white image. In bitmap format this is still 70 mp or ~8300x8300. For your typical case of a kid with a broken arm this is utterly pointless.
I'm guessing someone needs to learn what compression algorithms are.
"3D mammograms are 10 gig files, so they're enormous"
Yes. I'm sure some of them are.
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Actually, there are multiple 40 Gbps ports around campus at places like the UW, so if you lived in one and did research, 10 Gbps is not that fast. We even have three 100 Gbps ports. It's useful for remote telepresence surgery, for example.
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On-line living starts at 10Gbps. 10Gbps is the new 10Mbps. The more we are given, the more we take. Bandwidth is causes suffering. Bandwidth is empty, of no-self. Well, that accelerated quickly. Almost as quickly as a cool 10Gbps of bandwidth!
FaceTime at 4K using a TV..
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something doesn't add up here. unless the guy and his family own the shop and are sleeping next to the french press, it's a business connection - not 'residential'.
the way it reads is you have a lazy-ass doctor that's sipping lattes at a coffee shop while 'working'.
I have 1 gigabit in the middle of nowhere, a small place with only 200 households.
The reason we got it was because the electrical company wanted to bury their powerlines and we asked them if they wanted to do fiber at the same time, and they didn't.
So we made a "broadband association group" and drummed up enough subscribers with a 1 year commitment to be subscribed and they electrical company agreed to provide us with fiber. And so now we have fiber, far away out in the countryside and my friends and family living in our capital can't not always get even 20 megabits.
Suppose a bunch of customers download 1GB videos and then watch them. That's 8 Gb, so it'll take a little over 8 seconds to download. Then an hour to watch it. So they're actually using the network 0.2% of time. A 10 Gbps uplink could support roughly 250-500 customers doing that.
If 400 customers share a 10 Gbps uplink to the backbone, they each need to pay about 0.25% of the cost*. On the other hand, if he were hosting xvides.com over that connection, he'd be using it 10% of the time (averaging 1 Gbps). The 10 Gbps could only handle about 8 such customers, so each would need to pay 12.5% of the cost.
* Assumes each 10Gbps AVERAGES 400 subscribers, not if it maxes out at 400 subscribers. Because lines have fixed capacities, the average uplink is only partially utilized and therefore cost is divided amongst the typical number of customers, not the max.
While he may be in a residential neighborhood, his use is commercial/business. Sure, he's got other uses, but 99% of this bandwidth is used by his business, the rest is his kids.
Why is this news? Just another person running a business out of his house.
For me beyond the 25Mbps I already have, it becomes all about less latency and maybe more upload bandwidth, not just more download bandwidth. However ISPs never seem to care about those things.
Heck with latency/excessive ping issues, its a good day when their customer support even has a clue what you're talking about.
Most home networks are 1Gbps ethernet so unless you won't go faster than that on a single port or even your whole network depending on your switch configuration. You need beyond consumer-level network gear to enjoy the full 10Gbps. As for WiFi, it is a joke at these speeds.
Now, even if you have a 10Gbps connection straight to your computer, what will you do with it? Watch movies? That's a few tens of Mbps at best, peanuts. Transfer files... now we are talking, but you better have a SSD or a nice RAID array, because most mechanical hard drives run at about 100MB/s or 1Gbps. Heck, SATA3 only goes 6Gbps, so that's an internet connection faster than most SSDs. Even your computing power can be limiting : 10Gbps is quite fast for all but the most basic kind of processing.
I sincerely don't see a use for a 10Gbps home connection unless you are running servers on it, or host a whole community of bandwidth hogs. The radiologist in the example is the edgiest of the edge cases. He has a remote location that can support more than 1Gbps but he can't work online, he also has a computer and home network that support such a speed and a workflow that makes a 7 second delay matter...
There were situations where my daughter would be FaceTiming and the others would be streaming on the 4K TVs and they'd start screaming at each other about hogging the bandwidth
If you had consistent 1000 Mbps service, this wouldn't be true unless there are two dozen people counted in "the others".
This guys connection to the exchange may be 10Gbps but his actual speed will be a massive fraction of that to the rest of the world, especially leaving the exchange.
And to gloat, my kids were screaming over 4k content and lack of net speed when facetiming, self entitled brats.
What a wanker. /captcha = exactly
Does the facility he works at pay for his connection?? :(
what about the security ramifications of this?
4 example, with the crap going on at DYN and other like DYN, What were to happen if this connection was hijacked by a BOT-Net for nasty things?
is his connection really faster than his Hospital's??
Does this guy really make that kind of cash to support this usage?
why aren't these opportunities offered to schools, or split out so that it could rolled out fractionally to those in lower income areas?
I cant believe, i live in an era where when i can get a faster connection (cheaper mind you as well) then my business
for xample my 1gb connection to ATT Business is $1000+/year...
Sigh,,
I mean, so what.
Anyone that knows anything about large data transfers(like medical images) knows that he probably wasn't even utilizing his 1G connection unless he was using gridftp or aspera.
I'm paying $70/month for 10 megabit bandwidth in Daytona Beach, Florida. How do these people get 1 gigabit for $70/month?!
Oh boy he has a 10 gig dedicated internet access connection. Which means everything is routed through the public internet. It is not like he has a 10 gig point to point to download off of. That is where the connection would be really cool. He is like everyone else and his speed is determined by the pipe on the other side and what the other providers are throttling the speed to through their interconnects.
"Waaaaah i cant watch 5 4k netflix streams at once!"
I hope his uber speed connection has some decent security if he has access to peoples medical data from home.
30,000 exams per year is about 100/day. If he works 8-9 hours a day, that's about 5 minutes per exam. Is that really all the time it takes to plow through a 3D mammogram? Or does it take longer, and reading an X-ray is done in even less time?
Its called community broadband. The local publicly owned power-company (EPB) needed to upgrade their infrastructure. They realized they were going to run fiber everywhere they run power-lines anyway so they decided to go all in and pipe internet to their customers as well as electricity. They started out charging ~$350/month for gigabit service, but after google priced theirs at $70 they quickly dropped down to match it (there is no google fibre in town). Over 90% of their customers are just running 100mbps (for about $55/month).
In response, the local ATT and Comcast owned politicans quickly passed a state law forbidding community broadband. They were not able to stop EPB from serving chattanooga, but they killed all other community broadband in the state. Including the neighboring counties which are lucky to get even DSL speeds. I am not joking about being owned, one of the the area's state reps is literally a former ATT exec. FUCK COMCAST AND ATT.
All I can say is that is pretty freaking cool. I had 3mbps RoadRunner from Time Warner in 1999 Columbia, SC. I thought I was the king. Just makes you smile knowing that is a residential connection. Could you get 3 or 4 of those connections and bond them? What would the hardware cost at 10gig be to bond connections at that speed and get near the full capacity? Man, cool!
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1 Gbps with home stuff vs 10 Gbps with enterprise level switch and routers as well.
But how shared is that fiber? 8:1, 32:1, 64:1? real dia fiber is like 10K for 10G/10G for $1000 /mo you can get 100/100 DIA fiber with a SLA and enterprise gear.
1099 independent contractor doctor that just has his office at home vs renting office space?
Fast bandwidth is great, but is it really necessary? Even for situations like this guy who *needs* it for work, are they solving the right problem? Why are X-rays averaging at 200 megabytes? I get that they want to work with raw, uncompressed data (and for good reason), but there are lots of ways to compress data with minimal losses. And if I had to choose between a doctor looking at a compressed image of my X-ray, which maybe introduces a very small chance they might miss something, or a doctor who couldn't look at my X-ray at all because he didn't have the bandwidth to do so, I'd obviously pick the one working with the compressed image. If a 3D mammogram is 10 Gigs, for which you could view around 10 hours of good quality HD video, shouldn't someone instead be working on ways to reduce file sizes?
Of course, I realize I sound like I'm reiterating the infamous "640K of memory ought to be enough for everybody" quote often attributed (perhaps wrongly) to Bill Gates. And perhaps someday, we really have a legitimate use for that kind of bandwidth. But I see that day as still quite far in the future.
The bottom line is that we work, often quite effectively, with what we have. It isn't any surprise they saturated a 1 gbps link shortly after having it - it's human nature to expand into whatever infrastructure we have. Where I live, my Internet connection is quite literally a thousandth of his bandwidth, yet it seems perfectly fast for me... and in fact, I run a very successful Internet-related business (with tens of thousands of active customers) with a 10 mbps pipe and 300 GB/month cap on traffic as well. We've just learned to work efficiently with the infrastructure we're given.
Are you fucking kidding me?
I thought radiologists were supposed to be outsourced to India by now.
It doesn't take an experienced radiologist anything like 5 minutes to read an x-ray and dictate a report. Maybe 30-45 seconds.
It's just a matter of pattern recognition. They know what "normal" looks like, they know what to put a little extra attention on, and most of them like to show off a little - they'll mention old rib fractures on a chest X-ray, for example.
I would imagine they are using XP-GPON2 since they can overlay that on the same fiber network that they are using for the 1G service.
Unless anyone else in his local neighborhood is on the 10G frequency then he likely has it to himself for the time being.
Wow, 30,000 mammograms a year. If the radiologist works 300 days a year, that's 100 per day. If we works 8 hours per day, that's 480 minutes, or 4.8 minutes per mammogram, lets round it up to 5.
So for 10 GB of data per mammogram, he reviews it in 5 minutes. In comparison, the size of English Wikipedia text is about 12 GB. So this guy is mentally processing equivalent of 100 Wikipedias a day. Is all this data really necessary? How many voxels in the data set would need to be flipped to change the outcome from benign to suspicious?
If he's working using this connection, he should get a business deal, not residential. Most home connections have strict "no commercial use" clause in ToS.
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10,000 is only 399 times 'faster' than 25.
We been having 10 gbps to the home for a while now, but then again I am not in the USA.
That service has been around since early this year I think, from 3 or 4 different ISPs in Singapore.
Welcome to the modern world ;)
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I stopped reading when he writ the size of mammograms.
I knew where he was going.
I need a network connection bigger than his.
I am a plumber.
Depends on which PON technology you want to use. Could be just 10Gb, could be 80Gb with the most recent, in the near future, could be 320Gb, in the next 5-8 years, could be 5Tb. I don't know about you, but I could not have any issues sharing 320Gb/s with 31 other customers, and I definately will not have an issue sharing 5Tb/s with 31 other customers. Fiber gives last mile a near infinitely bandwidth.
They don't do that anymore. Nowadays, they have this thing called 'collections'.
I guarantee they weren't consuming 1gbps as a family. Guarantee it. If anything, they were probably exceeding whatever their upstream ISP had available at the time. Most business with 100 employees would have difficulty saturating a 1gbps connection.
I'm happy for him for the 10gbps link and all, but he clearly has no idea what was really causing any contention issues.
"There were situations where my daughter would be FaceTiming and the others would be streaming on the 4K TVs and they'd start screaming at each other about hogging the bandwidth."
Bullshit - that's just his lame attempt at justifying "needing" a connection that fast. How did his poor family function with ONLY a 1 Gig connection or worse, something as pathetically slow as 5-300 Mb/s ?
'There were situations where my daughter would be FaceTiming and the others would be streaming on the 4K TVs and they'd start screaming at each other about hogging the bandwidth. We don't see that at 10 gigs.'
Why not use QOS?
Agreed, clear quotas that the customer understands can be fine. They pay to use X GBs (which is y% of the capacity) and the cost reflects that. Something similar is used when professionals buy bandwidth for an enterprise. The buyer and seller both understand the terms, so it's good.
Rather than throttling down, it typically marks excess traffic as "discard eligible" - you may use more than your Committed Information Rate, but only if the capacity is available after customers who haven't hit their CIR get their packets through. In other words, traffic in excess of your CIR must yield to traffic from someone who hasn't hit their CIR.
Note that this is one way of *implementing* "the average customer must pay their fair share of the cost in proportion to the traffic they generate". It's not "or", it's "and". Customers must pay their share of the cost, and quotas are one way of doing that. If the average customer pays less than their share of the cost, the provider bleeds money and goes out of business.
What's challenging, besides educating customers so they can make informed decisions, is that links don't instantly become used at full capacity when they are installed. Suppose a 1Gbps link can service 400 customers. The ISP has 402 customers. They NEED 1.02 links, but you can't install 2% of a link. You have to install one link (which isn't quite enough) or two links (which costs twice as much). On average, the last link in any discrete required route is only half utilized.
Had the fastest Internet connection from my ISP, but when doing a speed test noticed that the speed was the same as the slowest speed that my ISP offered.
So I switch to the slowest speed, and never been happier.
Your Internet is only going to as fast as your weakest link.
I read this down in the comments, and it got me started...so keeping it in...as I read, realized that the true take away was the Subject above.
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Really? You've never heard of people working from home? I think the takeaway of this article is that these giant cable companies, with their regional monopolies, don't need to compete by giving us what is clearly possible. Only those few cities which have decided to operate connectivity as a utility are providing fast internet.
The real takeaway, these giant cable companies (and telcos) are stifling small business creation and creativity with their internet business practices.
The industry directly and indirectly has been paid in excess of 200 Million to provide Broadband. The problem is with their definition of broadband.
The Broadband lie exposed:
Get a dd-WRT enabled device (firewall/router) to see your bandwidth in real time, 24X7, 365 days a year and you quickly expose their 'up to' and 'Speedtest' lies. Most cable providers get less than 200 KBPS upstream, the true limiting factor for most people when streaming content.
You say but my cable providers says they give me up to 20MBPS downstream and 4MBPS upstream, this is THE LIE.
A dd-WRT enabled device will show you that you are in reality getting approx 2MBPS or less downstream and less than 100 KBPS upstream on a regular basis. If you pay $10 per month extra for their 'burst mode' you might get 200KBPS upstream, but not much more.
The millisecond you kick off the LYING SPEEDTEST, with a dd-WRT enabled firewall/router you will see the entire pipe (bandwidth) open up full, you will see your full 20,000 KBPS downstream and your full 4,000 KBPS upstream (20MB/4MB)....but ONLY DURING THAT LYING SPEEDTEST..., the millisecond the speed test ends you will see your bandwidth throttled back again to less than 300 KBPS downstream and 100 KBPS upstream.
This is why DSL is faster...even if limited to 768KBPS, you do NOT share that pipe (bandwidth) with anyone else, therefore there is no incentive to limit, reduce, throttle your bandwidth. At 768 KBPS (my DSL is over 1 MBPS down, just not up, still I get almost the full 768KBPS upstream) you are getting 3 X faster (more) bandwidth than cable downstream and more than 6 X more (faster) bandwidth upstream...BECAUSE 100% OF CABLE COMPANIES THROTTLE THEIR INTERNET BANDWIDTH.
Now the article calls the FCC definition of broadband to be allot higher than only 768KBPS, but it does not matter as if you use the right hardware (dd-WRT) so that you can see your bandwidth in real time, you will know that 0% of cable companies provide even a full 768KBPS either upstream or downstream 24X7, 365 days a year. They lie, they restrict, they throttle and it honestly should be seen as a crime. They promise an 'up to' amount of bandwidth that the consumer ONLY sees during a lying speedtest.
To add insult to injury, they are very adept at using the 'Alec' organization, the Republicans and Tea Party representatives (some Democrats too) to pass anti-competitive FTTH laws in states, 14 and counting so far, that force an outright ban on another company providing Fiber To The Home of their customers.
HINT: You know the 'ALEC' organization is involved when a Republican or Tea Party pushes for a law in a state that is also presented in multiple other states at the same time....it's a dead give away. ALEC creates the paper, hands it to their bought and paid for Republican/Tea Party state representative and voila, the same exact legislation gets pushed out in multiple states, pathetic.
It is telling that only one person out of all the possible FTTH places is purchasing 10GB/10GB. Sad that it is that expensive, but with less than 26 communities in the United States having TRUE HONEST FTTH, it is not suprising.
With TRUE FTTH, there is no business incentive to throttle. There
I have a $300 1Gb/1Gb connection and get 1Gb/1Gb to nearly the entire world all day long. 10Gb is starting to push that limit, but stop being an apologist for shitty ISPs.
so, can a person really tell the difference between 4k and 1080p in an average setting?
it's like..
Finding a natural gas well, that's YOURS.. NO sharing..
with all that stored energy and stuff, wouldn't it be significant to report on the weird stuff that this person does??
example, living on lake tahoe,
the weather is allways great, jet ski's boats, etc..
but ya dont hear about it every day??
i,mean it gets old..
that being said, why is this news??