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Why Apple and Microsoft Are Using Last Year's Skylake Processors In Their New Computers (gizmodo.com)
Apple released new MacBook Pros yesterday that feature Intel's year-old Skylake microarchitcure, as opposed to the newer Kaby Lake architecture. Two days earlier, Microsoft did the same thing when it released the Surface Studio. Given the improvements Kaby Lake processors have over Skylake processors, one would think they would be included in the latest and greatest products from Microsoft and Apple. Gizmodo explains why that's not the case: In the case of the new 15-inch MacBook the answer is simple. "The Kaby Lake chip doesn't exist yet," an Apple rep told Gizmodo. Kaby Lake is being rolled out relatively slowly, and it's only available in a few forms and wattages. The 15-inch MacBook Pro uses a quad-core processor that has no Kaby Lake equivalent currently. That particular laptop really does have the fastest processor available. The same goes for the Microsoft Surface Studio and updated Surface Book -- both also use a quad-core Skylake processor with no Kaby Lake counterpart. But the Studio and Surface Book are also using much older video cards from the Nvidia 900 series. Nvidia has much faster and less power-hungry chips (the 1000 series) available based on the Pascal architecture. Microsoft's reasoning for going with older video cards is nearly identical to Apple's for going with a slower processor in its 13-inch MacBook Pro: the Nvidia 1000 series came out too late. The major intimation was that Kaby Lake and Pascal came so late in the design process that it would have delayed the final products if they'd chosen to use them. New technology, no matter how amazing an upgrade it might be, still requires considerable testing before it can be shipped to consumers. One minor bug, particularly in a system as engineered as the Surface Studio or MacBook Pro, can turn catastrophic if engineers aren't careful. In the case of Microsoft, it's frustrating, because that old GPU is significantly slower than the Pascal GPUs available. It's a little less frustrating in Apple's case, largely because of the old processor microarchitecture that Apple elected to shove into its new 13-inch MacBook Pro. Apple went with a new Skylake dual core processor that draws a lot of power -- more so than any Kaby Lake processor available. It then uses all that extra power to ramp up the speeds of the processor. Which means it is capable of pulling off speeds that can actually match those of the fastest Kaby Lake processor out there. The only downside to this decision is battery life.
The dark side of this relationship between manufacturor and user is that the provider might want to sell both product lines rather than just the first one. "consumers on both sides of the tracks will have the unquenchable desire to have the latest flangle". In both cases, there may already be plenty of CPU horse power, so that even last years model works fine . Sorta feels like the cable industry letting go of the Triple play. Sometimes we users just dont need a new version. Or they will down-spec the initial to make the next rev required?
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
No, FOTU. Fear Of The Unknown
Current chipsets have enough power to make any device seem very quick to the average users. Only the super high-end buyers would even be able to name the latest. Why risk using a brand new chip?
How many incremental units do you ship because you used the latest new chipset v. downside risk of potential issues with a chip that has not been tested in a full market release?
It's math. Nothing complicated about it.
It's just a shame that the Macbooks are capped at 16GB RAM, no 32GB option. For battery life reasons.
Perhaps if nVidia would quit changing BGA pinouts, companies would be more likely to substitute their newer processors.
Of course if they did that, companies might also substitute a competitors part instead. Then nVidia would end up having to compete on price/performance. And no one wants that.
This doesn't matter to me at all.
What matters to me is:
1) Moderately powerful discrete GPU options
2) Anti-glare LCD panels
3) Ports (you know, things like USB 2.0/3.0, Ethernet, headphone/microphone jacks, DisplayPort, etc)
4) More than 16GB of RAM
5) User replaceable batteries, OR a built-in battery of sufficient capacity this doesn't matter
6) Keyboards with a reasonable amount of key travel (0.5mm or whatever it is on the nMBP is hardly sufficient)
7) Apparently, I can add "keyboards with a reasonable amount of physical keys" to this list as well
A quad core CPU would be nice. Beyond that, I don't really care because anything "i7" is already fast enough for me. I don't need the latest greatest CPU the moment it comes out. It would be nice if the rest of the machine were kept up to date though, in terms of GPU options and other stuff, so that when I do decide to purchase a machine I'm actually getting something indicative of modern day technology (even if the CPU is a generation behind). Situations like the MBP (where everyone waited for this "major update") and nMP are pretty much inexcusable for a company with $200B in the bank.
not meaningless at all, 5 hour battery life is fine.
my macbook is only unplugged for two or three hours for meetings anyway.
oh, that's not your use pattern? so fuck you, you can get an 8GB or 16GB one
Did they really need that much text to explain the situation? I feel like that paragraph contained a lot of words, but said very little.
nVidia already competes on price and performance... AMD is just not a great competitor, and basically nobody else is bothering to try.
There is no way in hell a system designer is going to substitute a newer part, unless they can:
(A) do it without a redesign/board relayout
(B) do it in a way that lets them back out of the decision when the newer part screws up horribly
If you object to the "when" in option "(B)", then you can object by making the part not fail, when I have the option of backing out the part choice. If you don't fail, I don't back out the part choice.
It's really very simple.
> Pulling USB mass storage support so that people can't copy music. "[crickets]"
What do you mean?
"Apple and Microsoft use Skylake processors in new computers due to Kerby Lake unavailability"
There, a headline which explains everything you need to know about the summary and the article, and is one word shorter to boot.
> Pulling USB mass storage support so that people can't copy music. "[crickets]"
What do you mean?
The closest I can get is his Chevy can beat your Ford any day.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.