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MacBook Pro (2016) Disappointment Pushes Some Apple Loyalists To Ubuntu Linux (betanews.com)

Linux distributions have emerged as one of the beneficiaries in the aftermath of the MacBook Pros launch. Many people aren't pleased with the offering and prices of Apple's three new laptops and some of them are resorting to Linux-powered laptops. From a report on BetaNews: Immediately after the Apple Keynote, famed Ubuntu laptop and desktop seller, System76, saw a huge jump in traffic from people looking to buy its machines. The traffic was so intense, that it needed to upgrade servers to keep up, it said. "We experienced much more traffic than we had prepared for, the website didn't go hard down but experienced slowness. We had to scale up to return to normal. It was a pretty big surge, I don't have the details in front of me at the moment but I've not really heard of anything like this before. People being so underwhelmed by a product that immediately following a new product release they actively seek out competitor's products," says Ryan Sipes, Community Manager, System76. I decided to compare specifications and pricing on my own, so I headed to both Apple.com and System76.com to compare. Apple's new 15-inch MacBook Pro starts at $2,400. This machine has a Quad-core Sklyake i7, maxes out at 16GB of RAM, has an NVMe 256GB SSD, and a Radeon Pro 450 with a paltry 2GB memory. Alternatively, I headed to System76 and configured its 15-inch Oryx Pro. I closely matched the MacBook Pro specs, with a Quad-core Sklyake i7 and NVMe 256GB SSD. Instead of 16GB of RAM as found on the Apple, I configured with 32GB (you can go up to 64GB if needed). By default, it comes with a 6GB Nvidia GTX 1060. The price? Less than $2,000! In other words, the System76 machine with much better specs is less expensive than Apple's.

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  1. Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by KBentley57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary sounds like an obvious plug for system76. I'm not saying it's bad, because what the summary says, is in fact true. I've compared them myself. I even have a System76 desktop and am pleased with it. However, and advertisement disguised as an article is still and advertisement.

    1. Re:Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by msmash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People continue to submit Apple-stuff all day. Maybe you could submit the things you would like to see on the front page and then we can have a conversation.

    2. Re: Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For System76, and other comparisons, the new MacBook Pro is always going to come out 10-20% more expensive because you can not really compare the laptops.

      Yes, for most of the components like RAM, CPU, Disk, etc, etc, etc, you can order a similarly built laptop. But in no laptop I have seen can you order a separate ARM CPU to power a part of the keyboard, none of them will come with fans that reduce noise by having blades configured with unequal spacing (like the Macbook Pro has), and none of them will of course be licensed to run OS X (if that's your thing). Apple computers are expensive compared to the rest of the market on a spec vs. spec order, but thats OK.

      You can of course go to Amazon and order the components and build a desktop, cheaper than an iMac, you can order a Dell laptop cheaper than Apple. Why? Because Apple will price their products to reflect the development costs and engineering expense they invest to design and deliver new parts, services, and experience. System76 does not develop any of the parts they install in their laptops, they design a package using off-the-shelf components sold by Intel, Samsung, Synaptic, and others, then put a label on it. Apple went through the expense of building the touch bar (whatever you may think about it, it wasn't free). They have Touch-ID on the laptop (also not free), and that required the Secure Element (also not free), and to design and deliver those components, of course the price is going to be more expensive, they had the cost of building those components which the other laptops do not account for.

      But if you buy a laptop to run Linux, you would be ill-advised to buy a Mac. It's extremely unlikely Apple will release Linux drivers for their touch-bar, touch-id, or other components that require OS X to deliver that integrated experience. Apple do not try to deliver a "me too" laptop, they would be killed in the free market if they attempted that. They deliver a product that has differentiators other manufacturers are unable to "me too", at least at the off-set, and the price will reflect that. So i you are a budget conscious consumer, you should be looking into System-76. Those laptops will cost you less and be just as fast rendering your designs, running your programs, and doing the other things you might use it for.

    3. Re: Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      None of the extra stuff you mentioned is enough to make me go 'wow I want to pay for that'. If Apple wants to through extra stuff in to distinguish themselves then fine, but really, metal case versus plastic case, fans that reduce noise, these are all cheap gimmicks, not things that make a laptop a prermium one.

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    4. Re: Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of the extra stuff you mentioned is enough to make me go 'wow I want to pay for that'.

      Bingo.

      Yeah, some of the stuff is interesting, but not interesting enough to make me buy it.

      I've never found fan noise to be a big deal, and as long as a case is durable I don't care if it's metal or plastic. The touch bar thingy is okay but not a killer "must have" feature for me.

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    5. Re: Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From 2004- 2012 ish Apple laptops could compete spec for spec and come out reasonably priced. Now their price hasn't changed much but the costs of components have dropped a lot. I actually like OS X. I haven't had to fiddle with OS settings or roll back patches in 13 years since I switched. How ever while I need a new laptop the new Mac pros are just expensive.

       

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    6. Re: Are linux adverts still bad adverts? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is this fiction that the Lenovo trackpad is ok? There is no comparison with the trackpad on the MBP retina.

      On planes I bring a mouse with me rather than use the Lenovo track pad. It's that bad.

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  2. Re:Not me by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This. I had the exact same experience with Linux, and made the exact same switch when the Retina MacBook Pros were first released. I still use Linux whenever possible on servers, but I don't have time to screw around with my desktop and laptop machines. I need them to just work, which Apple mostly accomplishes (aside from a few relatively minor and very occasional issues).

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  3. Why I'm not upgrading by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been using Apple laptop hardware since the 12" PowerBook G4. My most recent purchase was in 2014. This is the first laptop release I am refusing to buy, after having said earlier this year (pre-announcement) that I would be upgrading.

    For me, the reasons have little to do with the performance-related specifications, and everything to do with what I perceive to be tremendous arrogance on the part of Apple and the particular design choices that were made that, in my view, clearly reveal their willingness to sacrifice--indeed, completely disregard--function in favor of design.

    The first problem is the removal of MagSafe. Ever since it was introduced, they've done multiple iterations of the MagSafe connector, to the point that it was even parodied by CollegeHumor, only to remove it entirely.

    The second is the removal of all ports except USB-C / Thunderbolt 3, and then charging $19 - $45 for each optional adapter, rather than including even the most basic USB to USB-C in the box. For a machine that is targeted toward professionals and can cost $3000, this is unacceptable. You need to buy the extra adapter just to have functionality that you currently have with hardware that Apple itself provided (e.g., iPhone/iPad). Then, to say that you made this design choice to improve the portability and weight of the device, is just sophistry: by making people buy and keep track of a whole slew of adapters just to recover the functionality they had before is a step backwards in portability and ease of use. To me, this indicates that Jony Ive only cares about what the machine looks like and doesn't give a fuck about how people in the real world might actually use it.

    The third problem is the lack of an included 3-prong extension cable. Yes, for a lot of people, this was optional. But making it optional out of the box means that it's one more hidden cost, especially for an adapter that already costs so much on its own. Why take it out of the box now? Is $3000 too little profit margin for Apple?

    The fourth problem, and the most telling of all, is the overall choice to limit the hardware specifications--for example, the maximum allowed RAM--on a device that does not have user-serviceable RAM, no less, simply because it would have impacted battery life. This is an outright lie, because all you should do is make the battery bigger and the device thicker. This tells us that Apple again chooses to put design first and usability and performance last.

    Why buy this product? It reeks of hubris, and this is coming from someone who, again, has been a long-time user of Apple products.

  4. Bad use of that engineering by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple will price their products to reflect the development costs and engineering expense they invest to design and deliver new parts, services, and experience.

    Agreed. The problem is that in the past those costs went into developing useful features like a rugged aluminium body, a fantastic glass trackpad with gesture support, longer battery life etc. With this model that cost has gone into removing multiple important ports (one USB-A and a SD card slot would have been really nice), removing previous innovations (no mag-safe) and removing function keys to replace them with a silly gimick that would require me to divide attention between the keyboard and screen.

    On top of this they release it with a CPU that is one year old and a GPU that is one generation old. This is not the Apple of a few years ago that negotiated to get early access to Intel CPUs and used cutting end GPUs in the machines. On top of that they did not refresh their desktop line and are STILL trying to sell a $4k+ Mac Pro machine which is now 3 years old. Apple have not only dropped the ball with the mac they did so so long ago that the competition has run with it and scored and they still don't even seem to realize it. Just compare the new MS Surface Studio to what Apple came up with. I've used macs for over a decade now but this even really was the last straw and reluctantly I'm heading back to Linux and Windows now.