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86-Year Old Grandma Accused of Pirating a Zombie Game (torrentfreak.com)

An 86-year-old woman named Christine McMillan from Ontario, Canada has been accused of downloading a zombie game she's never heard of. She faces $5,000 in potential damages. From a report on TorrentFreak (condensed): McMillan is one of the hundreds of thousands of people who've been accused of copyright infringement under Canada's "notice and notice" regime. Due to a change to Canada's copyright law early last year, ISPs are now required to forward copyright infringement notices to their customers. In the letter received from anti-piracy group Canipre, she's threatened with thousands of dollars in damages, if she doesn't comply. "They didn't tell me how much I owed, they only told me that if I didn't comply, I would be liable for a fine of up to $5,000 and I could pay immediately by entering my credit card number," McMillan told Go Public. At first, McMillan thought she was dealing with spammers but Cogeco, her Internet provider, confirmed that the email with the settlement offer was legitimate. The power of the settlement scheme lies in the uncertainty people face. McMillan is obviously not happy with the notice-and-notice legislation which she brands as "foolish."

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  1. thought she was dealing with spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, she was dealing with scammers

    1. Re:thought she was dealing with spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am impressed an 86 year old grandmother had the general tech-awareness to imagine that as a possibility. Older folks were brought up in a time of much more trust, long before the internet was a thing, and it is very often beyond their imagining that there could be so many people intent on defrauding their fellow humans (That is not an indictment of them, it's an indictment of modern society).

    2. Re:thought she was dealing with spammers by ISoldat53 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder which grand child was using her computer?

  2. Re:Probably a witch too! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

    She responded, "I'm not a witch, I'm your wife!"

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  3. Re:Ha it would be funny by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    86 years old. She's practically living the game.

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  4. Actual Source by Dangerous_Minds · · Score: 5, Informative

    If anyone is interested, here's the link to the actual story: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

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  5. Re:Probably a witch too! by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those not familiar with the "notice and notice" scheme, the ISP is required to forward the notice to the subscriber, but does not identify the subscriber to the copyright holder without a court order.

    So these notices can be safely discarded, as it's not worth the Copyright holder's time to pursue a court order for a relatively low maximum cap ($5,000). This low cap also prevents the absurd cases seen in the states where grandmas are taken to court for $2,000,000 for a couple Lady Gaga tracks. These notices "seem to be effective" in reducing piracy, so for now it prevents more draconian measures.

    However the copyright holders try to trick subscribers with threatening language in the notice to voluntarily identify themselves, and give them money.

  6. Notice-and-Notice by corychristison · · Score: 5, Informative

    The law only states the ISP must forward the notices. The ISP are not to hand over customer details or any personal information unless an actual lawsuit is filed and the information is subpoenaed.

    Many Canadians do not understand they have zero obligation to respond, and that by responding is how they get your contact information. All they have is a timestamp and an IP address, and that's all they'll ever have if you never respond.

    The Federal Government already tightened up the rules once about what the copyright holders can send in their notices. It seems it needs to be looked into again.

  7. Sounds like extortion to me by misnohmer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Reading the actual notice (http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3199120-Cogeco-Settlement-Letter-Blurred.html) it sounds like plain extortion. Personally I would go to the local provincial or federal authorities, and if they say it's illegal, demand that they press charges for extortion. If on the other hand they say it's legal, I'd consult with a lawyer how anyone can submit such settlement proposals, then offer an online service for anyone to submit such settlement proposals to everyone. ISP are required by law to forward them so this should make for a fun DoS attack. Everyone offering to settle with everyone for any potential copyright notices ought to jam the system up fairly quickly. After all, you never know when people may want to violate copyrights of a cat video someone made, so just in case, collect $5,000 so if and when they do you won't sue them.

  8. She should pay it then take Canipre to court by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Informative

    for extortion. This is the same Canipre that has no problems pirating other peoples works https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

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  9. Re:Probably a witch too! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    That implies they are mutually exclusive. I'd even argue there's a correlation.

  10. Shakedown by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    shakedown
    noun
    shakedown \shk-daun\

    : the act of taking something (such as money) from someone by using threats or deception

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  11. Re:just wait for them to run up the legal bill 5K by johnnys · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're missing a very important point: Under CANADIAN law, the maximum fine for all of these downloading offenses combined is 5000$, provided she's not downloading these files for commercial infringement. She CANNOT be forced by a court to pay more than 5000$ for all the allegations no matter what happens in court!

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    "A copyright holder can instead elect to protect his/her copyright under section 38.1, which allows for "a sum of not less than $100 or more than $5,000 as the court considers just." for all non-commercial infringement, and $500 up to $20,000 for each commercial infringement.[30]"

    This is an excellent law: It protects real Canadians from the flood of toxic lawsuits the USA citizens are suffering.

    Canada had to put it in to keep the USA from implementing punitive trade barriers, but in the USA they never put a cap on it so people can get screwed over big time by huge lawsuit judgements. In Canada the 5000$ cap means that no copyright owner will ever go to court to attack a person with no commercial infringement since the 5000$ won't even cover the lawyer costs to file the suit. So these nastygrams can be safely ignored.

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  12. Re:Ha it would be funny by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm not going to argue life after death philosophy with anyone named Lazarus.

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