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Judge Refuses To Block New York 'Ballot Selfie' Law (reuters.com)

Last week, we wrote about a federal lawsuit that is challenging a New York state law that makes it a misdemeanor to show a marked election ballot to others. Today, we learn that a federal judge has refused to block enforcement of the law. Reuters reports: U.S. District Judge Kevin Castel in Manhattan said it would "wreak havoc on election-day logistics" to issue a preliminary injunction against the law, which prohibits the display of "ballot selfies." Three voters sued on Oct. 26 to block enforcement of the law, saying that sharing ballot selfies was a form of speech protected by the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment. But the judge said that because of the imminence of next Tuesday's election, the voters needed to show a "clear or substantial likelihood" that their lawsuit would succeed before he could issue an injunction, and that they had not done so. "The public's interest in orderly elections outweighs the plaintiffs' interest in taking and posting ballot selfies," though they remained free to express their political message through "other powerful means," Castel wrote. Leo Glickman, a lawyer for the voters, said in an interview his clients were disappointed by the ruling and do not plan to appeal it, but will keep pressing their case ahead of the 2017 election cycle. "People should be able to express themselves freely by photographing their marked ballots and putting them on social media feeds," he said, adding that state legislators have expressed interest in having the law repealed.

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  1. Not a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we allow this, we open things up so that people can be pressured to vote one way or another. People's votes are their own, they shouldn't have to answer to their bosses or anyone else about who they vote for.

    1. Re:Not a good idea... by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. This is an appalling example of thoughtlessness and idiocy that endangers democracy and clean elections.

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    2. Re: Not a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forget that in America, truth is not determined by facts but rather by whatever is repeated the most often and the loudest.

    3. Re:Not a good idea... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it is legally permissible to prove, through photographic evidence, who exactly they supported, then it is entirely possible for people to intimidate someone else into providing such proof, because you have absolutely zero proof that they are taking that photo entirely of their own volition, and with no influence from anyone who wants to know how that person voted.

  2. Why this law exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the most important aspects of our voting process is preventing coercion. This is done by making your vote as anonymous as possible. Imagine your boss comes up to you and demands that you vote a certain way or you will lose your job, and tells you to take a ballot selfie to prove it. If a ballot selfie is illegal, then no one can force you to vote that way. While I respect the first amendment argument, protecting voting rights is the more important concern here.

    1. Re:Why this law exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhh.. what?

      asking for anyone to vote for anyone or anything is NOT illegal. That's literally how election campaigns work; they ask you to vote for them.

      REQUIRING someone to vote for something is illegal. However your boss could "recommend" you vote one way; and lay you off when you post a photo of yourself having voted differently "for unrelated reasons". Though you MAY have a case against them; best of luck proving it in court.

  3. Re:Double standard and complete idiocy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Boss: it would be in the best interest of your employment to post a selfie of you voting for candidate A.

    the difference being you can say you voted for whoever all you want but no one will ever really know if you did. This is important beyond vote buying, i'd be more worried about vote coercion. Sure you can ask for a replacement ballot after taking the shot but opening the door to this kind of pressure is exactly the kind of thing secret ballots are intended to protect against. Fear could prevent people from even thinking of asking for a replacement.

  4. Re: Vote Buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What would you be happy with receiving as compensation for you vote?

    "This is a nice job you've got here. Would be a shame if I had to.. fire you."

  5. Re:On the plus side nobody's allowing it by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you think before you post, or do you just copy lines from the Democratic Party phrase book?

    There is no possible way that forbidding a person from photographing his ballot prevents him from voting.

    It's no surprise that you support the anti-freedom position of mandatory voting; it fits quite well with your other leftist views.

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  6. Re:On the plus side nobody's allowing it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So under your version of compulsory voting

    I love how you talk about it as if its this theoretical system with all sorts of trivial flaws that no one has ever thought about, as opposed to the actual voting system in a number of countries and regions including, for example Australia.

    It's a real thing. It doesn't cause the world to fall over. It's called compulsory voting whether you like it or not despite the non-requirement to cast a valid vote. You're not compelling speech, you're compelling voting. It's not speech because no one knows what you said and you don't have to say anything. But you still have to turn up. Like the OP said, do you object to dury duty because you're compelled to speak and render a verdict?

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  7. Re:Not really by dcw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The laws were created to prevent vote buying and intimidation. If you had to prove to someone how you voted, this would be one way to do so. Making it illegal is the only logical way to prevent that.

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