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Windows 7 and 8.1 Are Gaining More New Users Than Windows 10 (digitaltrends.com)

New submitter TroII writes: After Microsoft ended its year-long "free" Windows 10 offer, new installations have slowed predictably. But in an unexpected turn, October saw more new installs of both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 than of Windows 10. Compared to September's numbers, market share increased only 0.06% for Windows 10, while new installations of Windows 7 and 8.1 were an order of magnitude higher at 0.68%. According to tracking firm NetMarketShare, Windows 7 is still by far the most popular version of the OS, installed on more than twice as many computers as Microsoft's latest offering.

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  2. Re:Not Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who would have thought that Nadella would end up being even more despised than both Gates and Ballmer? I mean, they only shat all over their competitors, but Nadella is making a point to shit over the customers, too.

  3. Re:Not Surprising by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what's funny? That there will almost certainly be someone who is willing and able to develop a tool to get rid of it. Maybe for a price, but people are willing and able to pay that price for their privacy.

    MS could have had that money. And far more easily than whoever will develop that anti-spy tool.

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  4. Re:Which Windows will help me get nubile girls? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a large number of scientific studies ...

    Quotation needed.

    Firstly, it's [citation needed], if you were a real nerd you would know that. Secondly: here you go.. Thirdly, try this site the sooner you sign up the better you'll feel when you finally break out of the circle of denial.

  5. All MS has is an operting system by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly, Microsoft isn't really interested in satisfying their desktop users. Instead, they're desperately trying to get into the 'customer as a product' business model, because they sense, (probably correctly), that they're doomed if they don't. That's why they did what they did with Win10 - they want a captive user base whose data they can control and exploit. Bing has been pretty much a failure, and their foray into the mobile market has been a total disaster. They're losing a lot of server business to *nix. They see the likes of Google and Facebook dominating the Web. They see leveraging their desktop presence as the only possible path to the kind of success that others are enjoying, because they no longer posses the imagination to strike out in a truly new direction, and because they're iron-bound by the artery-hardened internal bureaucracy that all big corporations eventually succumb to. Windows 10 was the desperate plan of a dinosaur in its death throes.

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    1. Re:All MS has is an operting system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Their primary product is Office. Desktop Windows is a major focus and driver for lock-in, but it sits at about 2/3rds the total revenue of Office, and for many people the face of Microsoft *is* Office. As standalone product lines, only their Server products (most of which host Office components like Exchange, Skype for Business or SharePoint) come close to the desktop Office product revenue.

      For a long time Microsoft was aggressive about complete lock in around the Office ecosystem. They've become a lot more open recently, as they've realised it drives people towards building solutions around their Office software and related cloud services. They're solidly engaging the reseller and partner channel again to encourage anyone building their own IP around Microsoft solutions. Office 365 and cloud - once it's there, it's a pain to get back out, the ultimate recurring-revenue lock-in.

      Source for revenue stats 2016.

  6. Re:surprised by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm quite fond of the feature where the OS doesn't decide to reboot at arbitrary times without asking permission after installing an update I didn't approve.

  7. Re:surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most important "feature" is the UI. And the UI of Windows 8 and 10 is a horrendous clusterfuck of bad design. There are a couple of third party programs that fix some of the problems, but why bother? Why not just use the version that is good right out the box and isn't constantly trying to fuck you.

  8. Re:surprised by butzwonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I strongly prefer an UI like in Windows 7 and want to be in full control of updates. The last point is the most important, because various Windows 7 updates in the past would have destroyed my installation if I hadn't checked before (not) installing them. I'm especially worried about "accidental" problems with dual boot systems, which happened two times in the past.

    Apart from that, yes, of course, an OS is good if you don't need to know or care what it is actually doing. It should mainly provide a link to the library programmer and the application programmer, not to the end user. If Windows 10 didn't force updates and had the ordinary look and feel you'd expect from a desktop OS, or allow me to configure it in that way, then I'd be happy using it. A good OS should give you the same desktop experience all the time, with only minimal changes where they make sense, not force you to learn new ways of performing the same tasks every 3-4 years.

  9. Re:Not Surprising by butzwonker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that once a sufficiently large number of people use such a tool, Microsoft will circumvent it, and they have the leverage. They'll just encrypt information vital to the working of the OS (e.g. updates, activation data) together with telemetry.

    As much as I hate to say it, this is an issue that requires a juridical, not a technical solution.

  10. Re:Not Surprising by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, the telemetry features are not a great move, but just disable all of that crap and you're all set.

    Just because you think you've disabled it does not mean you've actually disabled it. Microsoft has the sole discretion to completely ignore you, sneak its spyware in through other vectors, or automatically re-enable its spyware at any time it damn well pleases.

  11. Re: Which Windows will help me get nubile girls? by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at the Microsoft shills: so desperate to derail the topic, and so lacking in their ability to actually do so, that this is their chosen strategy. Priceless!

  12. Re:surprised by johanw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However, windows 10 is still ugly and unclear (which window has foxus? I can't see it quickly on that excuse for a GUI) and windows 8.x also looks not nearly as nice as the classic view on windows 7. MS did it right with windows 95, then improved on that in 98 and 2000. After that, it became childish (XP default look), ugly (win10) or schizophrenic (mixing a phone GUI in 8 and 10).

  13. Re:Not Surprising by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because you think you've disabled it does not mean you've actually disabled it. Microsoft has the sole discretion to completely ignore you, sneak its spyware in through other vectors, or automatically re-enable its spyware at any time it damn well pleases.

    I had several delayed updates on Windows 10 that re-enabled auto updates and re-enabled every one of their spyware settings. And broken things like webcams, audio devices, and ethernet devices. Computer works one day, then the next its pooched. I even got an infinite reboot feature one time.

    And a day with Wireshark will show us that W10 appears to ignore the telemetry settings.

    I have this weird requirement for my computers. Whatever else they do, they are required to work reliably. Windows 10 fails miserably in that regard. Windows 8 is administrative whack-a-mole. Windows 7? It works.

    I have one Windows 10 setup that works. It is a network that isn't connected to the internet - airgapped by maybe 5 miles. No updates.

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  14. Re:Which Windows will help me get nubile girls? by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Amazing how many Trolls jump in to make sure that everyone else can't have a discussion about the topic. What a bunch of losers.

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  15. Re:Not Surprising by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I installed Windows 10 on a Compaq laptop from 2006 that was running XP (and "designed for Vista"). By technical standards, this is an unwise move. But this is a platform that Microsoft claims will run as well on Windows 10, if not better.

    It has 2 GB RAM and passed the assessment. With Windows 10, every time I boot it grinds the hard disk for 15 minutes straight, updating Defender and basically using all the RAM on the system for its own purposes. It would also force updates and REBOOT WHILE I WAS USING IT until I used domain policy to disable that. It's only by having it linked to a domain that this PC is usable. I do still have to disable, then enable the driver for the sound card on every boot, because even though it passed the assessment the sound card does not work until I do this.

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  16. Re:2017 may be "The year of the linux desktop"! by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, Linux did just hit a recent high of 2%.

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  17. Re:surprised by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to Microsoft, you job is not to use your computer for work, instead your job is to look at the advertisements so that Microsoft makes more money.