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After Protest, Lenovo Releases BIOS For Loading Linux on Yoga 900, IdeaPad 710S (liliputing.com)
Lenovo received a lot of heat in September when it said the Yoga 900 and Yoga 900S hybrids would only support Windows, and not Linux. The company has now changed its stance, though there is still a catch. An anonymous reader shares a Lilputing article: But now you can install Linux, because Lenovo has released new BIOS options for those laptops. There's a bit of a catch though. Lenovo's new BIOS has an AHCI option that lets you install Linux... but if you're using the new BIOS, then Windows is not officially supported. In fact, Lenovo says it's not officially supporting the new BIOS either... if you want to install it, you're pretty much on your own if you run into any problems. While Lenovo is presenting this as an either/or solution for choosing whether you want to run Windows or Linux. But some users have discovered that it is possible to set up dual-boot system using the new BIOS, allowing you to choose between Windows and Linux when your computer boots.
fuck Lenovo. the future is print your own computer anyway. these kinds of things just speeds that plow.
Lenovo has been caught putting spyware on its laptops.
Who in his right mind would buy any of their products ?
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
If you want to use Linux on this platform in "RAID" mode with the supported BIOS, the source code to enable it is part of this patch series from an Intel developer: http://lists.infradead.org/pip.... It's not pretty, but it sounds like that's just how the hardware works.
I have been thinking about whether the distinction between "consumer" (eg IdeaPad) and "business" (eg ThinkPad) machines even makes sense. This is not even limited to Lenovo of course.
but if you're using the new BIOS, then Windows is not officially supported.
They make it sound like it's a bad thing. But if one wanted to support Linux, why would one be interested in Windows? Laptops nowadays are inexpensive enough that if one had to, one could buy a separate laptop for Windows. In fact, given the way some Windows 10 updates have disrupted dual boot capabilities, I'd say that the only safe way of doing things would be to have completely separate laptops for Windows and Linux/BSD. Screw this whole business of dual booting, and dedicate complete systems for either platform
"Lenovo's new BIOS has an AHCI option that lets you install Linux... but if you're using the new BIOS, then Windows is not officially supported."
Lenovo: "ARE WE NOT MERCIFUL?"
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
So according to your brilliant analyses, a hardware vendor offering a piece of hardware that Linux did not support was a plot by Microsoft? I say 'did not support' because now Linux does support it, and there is no need to mess with the BIOS.
No, it's because systemd is shit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Lenovo used Superfish. Serious buyers stay away from Lenovo after that one. Idiots OTOH still sponsor Lenovo and bitch about the evil corp not supporting Linux.
It really is too much work to live a Linux-only lifestyle. Despite what we may have convinced ourselves to believe, we are still hitting obstacles such as hardware that doesn't work properly on Linux (or with full functionality), software that people want to use for various reasons but isn't available in Linux, and so on. Windows might be a bitch at times but at least you don't have such obstacles to make life more stressful than it already is.
It sounds like they're tying warranty for a third party thing (Windows) to their stuff.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
NSA had to finish the port for linux, patience guys; they're working round the clock to protect our nation against freedom.
This is the sort of thing that happens when a company that had malware and rootkits on it's BIOS reported multiple times don't get enough of a financial backlash to get a hint.
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Protip guys: DON'T BUY STUFF FROM LENOVO.
Just don't buy. It's simple. Lenovo is not an option, period.
They couldn't care less about clients protests, as long as they keep selling their crap filled laptops.
If you buy stuff from them, you'll get what you deserve.
There have been enough warnings already. This here is a drop in the bucket.
> hardware that doesn't work properly on Linux
I use four different models of RAID cards, from two different manufacturers. I'm fairly sure neither is supported by Windows 10, and all will be supoorted by Linux for another ten years. That's true of a lot of hardware I use, but I use heavy-duty hardware, not some toy from Best Buy.
If your interest is in the latest new toy from Best Buy, Windows has a slight advantage. For serious, big boy hardware that you plan to use for many years, Linux has a HUGE advantage.
some users have discovered that it is possible to set up dual-boot system>/I>
Giving paying customers a choice? That's a bug and will be fixed in the next release of the BIOS.
If you actually want a choice you might consider grabbing the BIOS now while you can before you need it.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Assholes!
What manner of company would tie themselves to the company that has killed the computer market?.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Who the fuck buy lenovo anyway. Have you seen their keyboards on the laptops? It's a horrible piece of shit.
Do you guys seriously still run Windows? Seriously why? Even if you aren't comfortable with Linux Macs are light years ahead of Windows.
Objectively after using both systems for a couple decades Linux is better software. I would like to see a hardware manufacturer take Linux seriously and build a Linux only laptop. As in viable competitor to the MacBook Pro (with an ESC key) with a similar level of quality. None of this crap yoga stuff (I actually own a Lenovo Yoga 13 what a piece of crap).
Sounds like lenovo doesn't want windows users removing that malware/crapware/rootkit version of windows with a direct from Microsoft image.
Not claiming it's a microsoft plot, after all the BIOS hack prevents offiical microsoft media from installing.
However linux does not have support. You can't take a mainline kernel from kernel.org and get it to boot. Nor does any normal linux distribution support the hack.
There does exist a patch, but it's not part of the linux kernel. So it's possible to get it running with a fair amount of work, that doesn't make it "supported by linux".
Uh, no. This had absolutely nothing to do with secure boot. The laptops in question had an SSD controller from Intel. Linux could not see the controller when it was in RAID mode. The BIOS did not provide a way to turn off RAID mode, so Linux didn't see the disk. You could still boot Linux from USB, etc, which would not be possible under your wonderful conspiracy theory. Intel has now released patches for their drivers, and now Linux can see the disk. Amazing!
Become rock stupid.
Your statement is backwards. Not that linux did not support it but it did not support linux. When a vendor deliberately makes hardware incompatible with software it's not the software that is at fault. The simplest way to avoid this is of course to avoid such hardware vendors.
This isn't the only issue with Lenovo. These companies are utilizing digital restrictions to prevent users from doing things like replacing there wifi card with ones that are properly supported under GNU/Linux. If people stopped buying from these companies we'd actually have some better options in the GNU/Linux world for laptops. Until then we'll suffer at the hands of shitty corporations and be second class citizens. All because the majority are too stupid to recognize the damage its doing to our ability to have decent GNU/Linux laptops.
ThinkPenguin's made good on it's efforts to move things forward by sponsoring the development of a modular computing standard called EOMA68 that aims to bring the design of laptops and other computing devices into the hands of the community and its users. The problem with designing good properly supported systems today is two folds and this is why a modular computing standard matters.
1. It's too costly to design and manufacture new devices:
As an example Canonical wanted to put out a new phone design, but despite raising millions couldn't put it off because it wasn't enough. What the industry does is they build off stock reference designs and other companies components. This reduces the cost, but it also means that competitors products are often nearly identical beyond some superficial changes and/or branding/support/marketing/ or higher level software changes.
2. Manufacturers for the most part aren't in control of the devices they're designing and don't care about niche markets.
If a manufacturer wanted to do something different like give its users full control over a laptop it manufacturers it simply can't. A manufacturer would have to gain the cooperation of every company that designed a component going into its laptop. It isn't even possible to design an X86 laptop only around components where the full set of source code has been released. Intel and AMD are uncooperative for certain parts of the CPU.
With devices designed around EOMA68 the number of units of a device's design that need to be manufactured to make it cost effective drops. The core components (computer cards, so CPU/ram/etc) can be manufactured in quantities that scale up (and are spread across many different devices) reducing the total cost of the new devices. Crowd funding new designs drops significantly as only a part of the design needs to be manufactured and it can be manufactured in smaller quantities.
You can argue the first EOMA68 card that was crowd funded was based around an ancient CPU and SOC. This is true. It doesn't matter in the scheme of things though as users can upgrade the card to the devices these cards go into at a fraction of the cost had they had to replace the entire device. It also doesn't matter because older slower cards are still going to be useful far into the future for other devices based around EOMA68- like routers and entertainment devices. So we can actually begin to start designing decent and properly supported GNU/Linux hardware for the first time. The next crowd funding campaign will be coming shortly for a much faster four or eight core CPU computer card. The war is not over, but we're catching up. We do still need to wait out X86's death or at least for non-X86 CPUs to catch up speed wise (it's coming). We also need to fight for companies to release graphics and wifi code for newer faster tech.
It was the Superfish scandal. But the Lenovo shills gave you a -1 score because they are desperately trying to bury the truth.
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What idiocy. The vendor did not 'deliberately make hardware incompatible'. They made hardware that worked for what they were selling, which was a laptop with Windows 10 installed. No, they didn't check if it would work with Linux, they were not selling Linux. They probably also did not check if it worked with any of the BSDs, or Solaris, or iOS, or Android, or AIX, or Z/OS.
Yues, the simplest way to avoid it is to not buy it. But that is not what happened, is it? No. Instead of admitting they bought the wrong thing, we have idiots claiming that it is some Microsoft conspiracy, or defective hardware, or some other such nonsense.
The world is not going to stop releasing new hardware just because some OS doesn't work.