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Pro Video Editor Says MacBook Pro Beats Out Superior Spec'd Windows Machines In Real-World (9to5mac.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from 9to5Mac: Reviews for Apple's new MacBook Pro have yet to officially go live, despite a couple false starts earlier this week. Those should arrive any day now ahead of a retail release for the machine, but one pro video editor today published his early hands-on review after using the new 15-inch model in a real-world setting. The review also aims to address some of the early criticisms of the new MacBook Pro from pros, showing how the machine held up in a real-world, professional environment. The author Thomas Grove Carter works at Trim Editing, a studio in London where he edits "high end commercials, music videos and films" using Final Cut Pro. The review specifically focuses on the experience using the machine in a professional video editor's daily workflow. Carter's conclusion is that the new 15-inch model he was using (he doesn't detail specs), is more than capable of handling daily editing in FCP X with 5K ProRes footage. He also notes that machine "tears strips off 'superior spec'd' Windows counterparts in the real world." Thomas Grove Carter writes: "First off, It's really fast. I've been using the MacBook Pro with the new version of FCP X and cutting 5k ProRes material all week, it's buttery smooth. No matter what you think the specs say, the fact is the software and hardware are so well integrated it tears strips off 'superior spec'd' Windows counterparts in the real world. This has always been true of Macs. If you're running software with old code which doesn't utilize the hardware well, you're not going to get great performance (as pointed out here)."
I still want my MagSafe
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
How fast is a strip and what happens when I tear it?
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ProRes was designed to be a very easy on the CPU.
Is he using plain ProRes which is really designed just for HD, or ProRes 4444 or 4444XQ which will be much more demanding.
How does it perform with 5k RED or other RAW codecs?
FX Pro is only available using a apple PC - so how can you compare it to windows???
The Windows one can be upgraded past 16gb of ram so not sure how that's going to work out for you....
This is expected to be this way when the hardware and the OS and the software are all from the same maker. They can and do write final cut to take total advantage of the OS as they have access to the underlying code. The same for the hardware as well. Windows 10 is a decent OS but it is not fancy GUI sitting on top of a highly tuned and targeted BSD distro. All things being equal hardware wise I would very much expect that Final cut pro would be at least 20% faster on the new MacBook pro.
Software designed for Apple works better on Apple hardware.
In other news, Microsoft Office works better on Windows than Mac OS.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Windows programs can also make use if vector instructions and GPUs, "new" cide. So what software in Windows is he referring to? From what year? What machine is it tested on?
I actually went to read the article and expected a proper comparison with actual benchmarks. Instead, find a one liner as quoted in the summary. Come here and everyone says the obvious thing i missed with all the abbreviations: Final Cut Pro is a mac application.
Fuck this apple fanboi and his trolling!
shame on you slashdot for bothering to link it in the first place! *newsflash!* know-nothing nobody SAYS SOMETHING! stop the presses!
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...try to buy a Windows PC that has sufficient PCI-Express lanes to run some NVMe SSD storage on top of a high-end video card and some a few USB 3 and ThunderBolt ports.
Hell, try to BUILD it. The motherboard manufacturers play jenga with individual models and what ports are where, so even though there's a PC Standard it takes hours of research to build a system that doesn't have random bottlenecks if you're going to be doing massive-media manipulation like video editing.
So does the new MacBook tromp most Windows PCs you can buy or build? You betcha it can, that's no surprise at all. Even those with significantly higher spec 'parts' when the underlying motherboard cripples everything so it can't live up to those specs.
- WolfWings
Terrible review
1) "its fast" dur no one said it wasnt
2) "he has usb-c SSDs" wow go you
3) "dongles arent a problem as i use the laptop in a desktop setting anyway and will be buying a thunderbolt dock for the desk" AWESOME man thats great that youve removed the laptops killer feature, portability, to accessorise
4) "everyone that isnt as enlightened as the reviewer sucks" thanks for telling us we arent as good as you because this generation of MBP doesnt work for our needs
jesus
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
The MBP with FCP still does not hold a candle to Avid's Media Composer and associated hardware solutions.
The MacBook Pro is probably better for running macOS on, too. Though I could run it on my older i7 Dell Latitude, which I bought for $250 second hand. It's a known working Hackintosh model.
This guy is comparing Apples to Oranges. But not the Apple II to the Orange Peel, which was an Apple II clone that Apple drove off the market with their legal muscle. They did that a lot in the old days.
Macs are technically UNIX boxes, but only in the same sense that my Android Phone is a UNIX box. The GUI layer on top of the 'UNIX' part of a Mac's operating system is totally proprietary and completely the opposite of the UNIX design philosophy.
As such, you can say that macOS runs on the carcass of a UNIX box.
Shouldn't be necessary - the nicest feature I've seen in prosumer/low-end professional cameras are dual/quad (or more) slots for cards (compact flash or P2). Card #1 fills up, recording switches to card #2, you extract card #1, dump the contents, and put it back in the camera. You can keep recording until your external storage fills up - laptop, desktop, external HDD, whatever.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
Note: I am not the grand parent.
Indeed.
As someonew who owns a Mac, I can confirm these claims are lacking a lot of information.
It can't even fork() without exec() (as in, it crashes the application), nor handle pthread events in the correct order (violates standards and causes application crashes) and SIP breaks stated unix permissions identified on the filesystem and even returns the wrong error. All of these by the way are required by the certification macOS was supposed to be certified for, but it's clear their testing for compliance was insufficient. The most hilarious thing about this is that the POSIX subsystem for Windows, Linux etc. have no problem following.
That's just scratching the surface on macOS's poor unix support which has required a wide variety of special platform dependent changes (more than others) for cross platform Unix software when compiled for macOS for a reason.
I could do that on Windows actually.
Why does ease of use of enabling the root account even matter?
Really now? Show me how to performance tune my Macbook Pro mid 2012 15 inch model that contains a traditional 1TB HDD (not SSD) so that a single large block read or write won't block all over I/O operations. Or hell, even any Mac that doesn't use an SSD. I can assure, it is needed and just to note, I can switch I/O scheduler on most Unix systems and Linux for performance (which is usually just a configuration variable in a text file).
In my experience, Windows is often snappier particularly the moment you start using cross platform 3D software or wanting to have applications that are asynchroniously doing I/O.
Not that macOS's BSD subsystem is proprietary and is beaten by Windows' old POSIX subsystem.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
In video editing, that's the key. The new MBPs have the fastest bulk storage systems anyone's shipped in a portable yet.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Just the usual ARFD effect.
'My computer, despite being slower in all measurable specifications, is FASTER! HA! AND I AM A PROFESSIONAL!'
Followed by turning of the back, fingers in ears, and reciting of 'nya nya nya nya I cannot hear you nya nya'
And in the real works, people keep on getting work done, knowing that in actual fact, the exact machine specs, OS, etc
have such a small effect on a persons productivity, that it is unimportant.
Not to mention that fact that if he really is doing such high grade video work, and is using ANY laptop, he just doesnt get it,
as a much more powerful desktop will be much MUCH more productive (for a start, it will have monitors where he can actually
see the video he is working on... RAID storage so a drive crash wont lose all his work, much more RAM to allow a decent video
buffer, and more cores, because video processing IS embarrassingly parallel and scales nearly perfectly).
So, basically a chump. example what the media loves for clickbait.
WTF are you talking about?
You do know that the Mac uses exactly the same CPU and chipsets that you can get in equivalent PCs right?
You do know that it is Intel that sets exactly how many PCI-Express ports are available to that, because it is PART OF THE CPU, right?
You do know that there is absolutely NO special hardware in Macs, or special setup, EXCEPT a boot and video bios specifically created
by Apple to block normal drivers from accessing them (and, because of that, meaning that driver updates are much MUCH slower), right?
So no, you are just making shit up I am afraid. It is very easy to purchase both a Windows Laptop and Desktop that makes exactly as
good use of its internal setup as a mac, because its all basically standard.
You will of course try and point to some POS HP $400 laptop and say 'see! it is badly setup!'. that is market separation, and which it
sucks, it is why they are willing to sell that for you for $400.
So, basically grow up, learn a few actual facts, and stop trying to claim 'secret sauce!' to rationalise your personal spending habits.
If you go to FinalCut Prop website, the reviewer mentioned in the post and his company are featured in their splash page ad: http://www.apple.com/final-cut...