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Samsung Really, Really Wants Developers To Build Tizen Apps (theinquirer.net)

Samsung wants developers to build apps for its homegrown Tizen mobile operating system, and it is offering cash prizes to do so. From a report on The Inquirer:The firm has launched the Tizen Mobile App Incentive Programme, which offers devs whose apps feature in the top 100 most downloaded rankings (can't be that hard, surely) a $10,000 reward. The firm will pay up to $1m a month from February to September 2017, Samsung said, making a total of $9m up for grabs. Developers will be able to sign up for the Tizen incentive programme from January 2017, and the firm explained that applications must be developed using the Tizen SDK and aimed at the Tizen-powered Samsung Z1, Z2 and Z3.

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  1. Noted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We Really, Really don't give a fuck about yet another proprietary and/or Tivo-ized OS...

    1. Re: Noted... by mrbigberd · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that the tizen SDK license is an abomination that goes so fast as to sign all your hard work over to Samsung if you use it.

    2. Re:Noted... by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      I never understood the constant whining about "Tivo-ization". The software is FOSS, whether the hardware it is sold with covers your needs is irrelevant. This is why companies (and most individuals) don't care about "free software" and just stick to the letter of the licenses. You can't really win because the rules of the game are constantly being changed by the FSF. Recently they attack Debian for having proprietary drivers *in the repositories* (aka as an optional download not necessary to run the OS). No amount of protests on the part of the FSF will make companies (and most individuals) pursue the asinine task of pleasing the FSF and its crowd. Even Debian Foundation has quit that futile effort. Enjoy your circle-jerk FSF guys and gals, I guess...

  2. Begun... by technomom · · Score: 2

    Begun the fart app wars have.

    1. Re:Begun... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Samsung is just pulling your finger.

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    2. Re:Begun... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Grammar problems in your sentence there are. -- Yoda, Jedi Master.

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  3. Please let Tizen succeed by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google desperately needs some legitimate competition in the mobile OS space.

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    1. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Huh, it's weird pretending Apple doesn't exist.

    2. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Not on the Android OS

    3. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Tizen offers precisely nothing that Android doesn't already have, apart from lock-in to Samsung's eco system, with it's also-ran alternatives to things Google/Android already does far better (S-Voice is garbage, for instance).

      I had one Tizen device, a Gear S watch. As soon as Android Wear arrived, I got rid of it.

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    4. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tizen offers precisely nothing that Android doesn't already have, apart from lock-in to Samsung's eco system, with it's also-ran alternatives to things Google/Android already does far better (S-Voice is garbage, for instance).

      Tizen is also a nightmare to program for.

      Tizen is just an OS, but the underlying foundation is E! (Enlightenment, if you're not up to date on your old fancy X window managers), or more correctly, the E Foundation Libraries (similar to ones like QT and GNOME).

      And if you've never done E!, well, someone more eloquent has stated the numerous issues with it.

      https://what.thedailywtf.com/t...

    5. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      wow. E! had a lot of configurability, but I never successfully set up a work environment in it (this was probably around E! 15 or 16 I think... been around 8 years). I can't imagine using it for mobile. Never got low level enough to work with the Foundation Libs. Sounds like I lucked out.

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    6. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Tizen isn't Android either.

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    7. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Tizen is also a nightmare to program for.

      It's just X windows isn't it? I guess you have to use E for some interfacing, but otherwise, its XCreateSimpleWindow() all the way!

      I actually like X.

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    8. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

      Was reading the API documentation and was like "Hello 1992". And I thought Symbian was bad.

    9. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      As soon as I saw "Tizen" in the headline, the article you linked is the first thing that came to my mind. I once had a passing interesting in Tizen development but resources/information/community help for developers is scant. Google searching will eventually lead you to the linked article and turn anyone sensible off of Tizen, IMO. These days, I'm trying to do everything with C++ (my most familiar language, but I'm not a programmer by trade), Qt, and Python.

    10. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Doesn't IOS hold less than 10% of the mobile OS userbase worldwide? And it kinda targets a different demographic...

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    11. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      And if you've never done E!, well, someone more eloquent has stated the numerous issues with it.

      Ecstacy's had a bad rap
      The drug's OK but the music's crap
      Techno's made with computer cable
      Sampling machine and an old turntable
      Get a loop, then cut and paste her
      Buy a trip and lick the paper
      There's new school, old school, prep school too
      There's DJs that nobody knew
      But now they're known - for doing what?
      Ideas? Music? Melody? Nup.
      They don't sing, they're not able.
      They put a record on a turntable.
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    12. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Apple intentionally doesn't compete in large segments of the market. There is no budget iPhone. The 'cheap' iPhone is £379. New Android phones start at about £50 and you can get some pretty decent ones for £100-200. Apple provides good competition for the top 20% or so of the market, but that still leaves Android largely uncontested for 70-80% of the market.

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    13. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I had a chat with a few of the developers at FOSDEM a few years ago. They were very proud of their new object model and IDL that they thought would make it easy for people to attach scripting languages and create bindings for other languages. It had never occurred to them that 'char*' is not enough type information for a useful binding to another language (is it for input, output, or both? Is it null terminated, or is it's length passed in another parameter? Is it actually an array of characters [and, if so, in what encoding] that should be mapped to a string object, or is it being used as a data buffer that should be mapped to an array or data object?).

      They'd also never thought that data views might need to be implemented by some mechanism other than creating a view hierarchy that contains all of the possible children. For work, I maintain a small app for exploring traces from our experimental processor. It creates a table view with one row for each instruction (cycle number, binary encoding, disassembly, notes from whoever is debugging the trace, and so on). Our traces get quite big, and it's fairly common to have traces with a few hundred million entries. I wrote it on OS X and NSTableView in Cocoa and GNUstep (we run it on Mac, FreeBSD, and occasionally Linux) handles it fine. The E! equivalent would be likely to run out of RAM on anything other than our build servers (which all have 256+GB). Not exactly the ideal choice for a mobile platform.

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    14. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by gustygolf · · Score: 1

      Samsung is not exactly making an effort in making it succeed. The three phones listed are for the Indian market only.

      That being said, $10k is a lot of money in India.

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    15. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by gustygolf · · Score: 2

      The Foundation Libs never existed 8 years ago. Or at least a stable version of them didn't. They were gestating in the CVS repository for over ten years.

      Enlightenment 0.16 has been around since, er, 1999 or so, and its only non-standard dependency was Imlib2.

      Enlightenment DR17, the first version to be based on EFL, was only released in 2012.

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    16. Re:Please let Tizen succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean people who who are stupid?

  4. Re:is there... by krelvin · · Score: 1

    http://incentive.tizenstore.co... is where the program is outlined.

  5. Where are the developer phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Samsung wants developers to make Tizen apps, Samsung should be putting Tizen phones in the hands of developers.

    1. Re:Where are the developer phones? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

      They must have a large stockpile of Galaxy Note 7's somewhere.

      Surely they could give those away.

      (assuming they can run whatever this "Tizen" thing is)

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    2. Re:Where are the developer phones? by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      This would encourage developers to work quickly. Before their house catches fire and burns down.

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    3. Re:Where are the developer phones? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, are the Galaxy phones Tizens? I have no idea about the Samsung landscape, since my Android toys are a Moto X and a Verizon Ellipsis

    4. Re:Where are the developer phones? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. HP sent me a free TouchPad, which at least meant that I ported some libraries to run on it. I'd probably have done more if they hadn't killed the platform completely shortly afterwards. I got a Nokia 770s with a 60% (I think - maybe slightly more) discount from their open source developers' program when they were new and did a few things on that (although it didn't have enough RAM to be very useful - nice portable machine for running vim though).

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    5. Re:Where are the developer phones? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      I thought the plan was to give away all Note7s to North Korea.

  6. Advice by c · · Score: 3, Funny

    Talk to (or just buy) BlackBerry. I'm sure they'd be a wealth of information on how to woo Android developers.

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    1. Re:Advice by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Didn't work for OS/2 and hasn't for anyone else ever since.

      OS/2 runs win3.x software in physical multi-threading by spawning multiple instances of (more or less real) windows. Far superior to running them on windows natively (running windows on the hardware directly).

      Skimpy amounts of RAM didn't make this fun on some cheap computers, of course.

      Windows on Windows (WoW) allows Windows NT versions to run 16 bit Windows 3.x applications. I (sadly) run Windows 3.1 applications daily at work, and they run pretty solid on Windows 7 32 bit compared to Windows 3.1. They even run on Windows 8.x and 10 (32 bit)!

      Windows on Windows 64 (WoW64) allows 64 bit versions of Windows to run 32 bit applications. Aside from the abortion of names used in the registry (Wow6432Node) and program files, usually run pretty seamless.

    2. Re:Advice by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Didn't help that OS/2 itself was expensive. Also, people upgraded to a PC with 4MB to run Doom ; it sounds like you could have use this cutting edge PC to safely multitask Solitaire and Paint after spending hundreds on software, and I fail to see what the point is. I don't ever remember Windows 3.1 crashing on home computers.

      Now, some real linux on a phone with an Android sandbox that can be firewalled, deleted, updated etc. at will, I would like to see that. Just like running a whole Windows 7 VM with gigs of RAM to run a single, small application : to not pollute your real hardware with insecure and ugly crap.
      Just like the Windows 7 VM and OS/2, it would waste about half the RAM, storage and CPU but it would be a useful option. Preferably on low end well supported hardware, for which I'm not exactly holding my breath sadly. Listen manufacturers : please make a $100 phone with a weird OS that has 5 years minimum of support (in a contract you have to honor, like Windows support phases), that ungrateful people will try to break by doing weird things with, and I will get one and tell a handful neckbeards and basement dwellers to buy it.

    3. Re:Advice by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      people upgraded to a PC with 4MB to run Doom

      4MB wasn't really enough for OS/2. 8MB was really a minimum for it to be useful. And, back then, another 4MB of RAM cost 10-20% of the total cost of a decent computer.

      I don't ever remember Windows 3.1 crashing on home computers

      Perhaps the phrase 'general protection fault' will jog your memory.

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  7. Re:I didn't understand a word of the summary. by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

    Please choose one of the following option:
    1. So long and thanks for all the fish.
    2. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
    3.The blue pill.

  8. Really? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Do we really need another mobile operating system in the ecosystem? Unless this one offers the stability that Android currently lacks, I am totally not interested.

    1. Re:Really? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      What we all need is open hardware APIs - so you can choose the OS you actually want, on the hardware you want. Presumably we don't have this already because the HW manufacturers are afraid people will find out how crap their HW is.

      Eventually, some of the hardware people will realise that once they have amortized their dev costs, the marginal cost of the same part is close to zero, and someone will start releasing "bog standard" hardware. With several OSes able to support it, the OSes will specialise (Like the *BSDs do now). At least one will probably compete on quality, and presumably several with fight to the death on lack of same.

      It has not happened so far because the buyers have relatively little experience - that is changing fast. Almost 50% of the world's population has a smart phone. In 5 years, practically everyone who is able to will have used one. Then the more mature market will ask more questions before they buy - like "where the fuck are the bug fixes?", "why would I buy one that is even thinner that the one I have, if the battery life is shorter than my commute?" and "The phone works fine. Do you really think I will buy one with less features than the one I have paid for that still works?"

      The "My phone is bigger/shinier/posher than yours" has run out. No one can tell the most latest, expensive from cheap Chinese ones (except perhaps by the fact that the cheap ones don't burn your legs off).

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  9. If Samsung really wants that... by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Samsung really wants that, how about making Tizen actual open source instead of pretend open source?

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    1. Re:If Samsung really wants that... by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      If Samsung wants to compete with Android, why not make an Android compatible ecosystem. Build their own "Play store" and "play services" so to speak. Support some already existing, or create new android development tools. Say, based on Eclipse (or similar). If Android developers can use their existing skills and code to easily build apps for another ecosystem (like Amazons!), then they also could for Samsung's.

      This would effectively compete with Google. Using the very developers that write for Google's platform. Developers would gain the advantages of multiple markets (Google, Amazon, Samsung) to sell their Android apps. Samsung would gain the advantage of many existing apps. Hardware OEMs would gain the advantage of multiple OS vendors with highly similar OSes to run on their existing hardware with only slight branding changes to the model number.

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    2. Re:If Samsung really wants that... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Well.... there was the Firefox OS which is open source.

      I guess Tizen would have the benefit of the Samsung name... But as soon as standard consumer buys the latest Galaxy X and it doesn't come with all the Google spy..er..software they know and love they will return it and buy something that can run bejeweled or whatever.

      I am really not sure how even Samsung could pull this one off. If Microsoft couldn't do it, I am not sure what kind of chance Samsung has.

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    3. Re:If Samsung really wants that... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      In the distant past, Tizen used to be Maemo, based on QT and apt. Now I agree that the pustulent thing it became is hardly worthy of life. But it is alive and the plug won't be pulled any time soon. No matter how awful the source code is, it would be better if it was public. And they should think hard about going back to QT/apt.

      Q: When did Tizen nee Maemo first turn into a huge steaming pile?
      A: When Intel got involved.

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    4. Re:If Samsung really wants that... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Who in their right mind would ever implement a Java-based API on their smartphone given the Oracle-Google lawsuit?

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  10. Please let Tizen die by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    If they want it to succeed they should make the API compatible with Android. There's already too many incompatible mobile OS's. Look at all the wasted effort developers have to do writing two versions of the app, one for iOS and one for android.

  11. Meh by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Well, at least they seem to be putting more effort into it than Microsoft did for mobile. :P
    We really don't need more proprietary competing platforms in the wearable, mobile and IoT market.
    I'd be all for Tizen if it was open source, but at this point it just sounds to me like the horrible crap software they put on smart tvs.
    They are all fast outdated, after developers put out the first stable version they never update the software anymore, and it's a horrible experience in comparison to almost anything else in the market.

    I don't think Android is the solution for everything, but until we have more open source OSs for these devices (Linux is not catching up), I'd just rather have Android everywhere. Android TV, Android smartwatches, and the like.

  12. It gets worse by tepples · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    From the story:

    From a report on The Inquirer:

    Like WIRED, the INQUIRER admits that its engineers are incompetent at falling back to alternative advertising providers that do not track users. From its technical support page:

    I've heard that using private browsing mode in Firefox can cause problems with viewability of sites?

    Firefox has a private browsing mode which includes ‘Tracking Protection'. This works in pretty much the same way as an ad blocker, so you are likely to be prevented from reading the INQUIRER.

    To continue reading content, you will need to click on the shield icon in the top left corner of your Firefox browser and click ‘disable protection for this session'. This will only turn off this setting for www.theinquirer.net and you can continue to browse the rest of the internet with it on.

    So here's an excerpt from an e-mail that I just sent to its support department:

    If I were to add the INQUIRER to the whitelist of Firefox Tracking Protection, this would allow the INQUIRER and the INQUIRER's advertising providers to be complicit in tracking my activity across multiple sites and building a dossier on my viewing habits that some government or plaintiff could subpoena in a fishing expedition. So if serving ads from advertising providers that track users fails, please serve me ads from alternate advertising providers that do not track users.

    I want to look at ads that don't track me. You aren't serving any.

    1. Re:It gets worse by tepples · · Score: 1

      But because it was posted here, it was routed straight to the web search engines.

  13. Let it dual boot stock by Hydrian · · Score: 2

    If Samsung wants developers and users play with Tizen, why don't they have all / most of their phones dual boot with both android and tizen as the alternate. The people who aren't interested won't probably even notice it is there. The developer and power users will be able to start playing with it and possibly gain interest / marketshare.

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    1. Re:Let it dual boot stock by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I still bet the people who won't notice that Tizen is there *WILL* notice the large amount of storage it uses, and will gripe about it.

  14. Samsung is on fire by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    All those apps will no doubt allow its phone to explode into new markets.

    1. Re:Samsung is on fire by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      And developers have a burning desire to capture those markets. Mobile development, in general, is so hot right now -- almost too hot.

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  15. I feel like there can only be two by TanjaTheMoogle · · Score: 1

    Right now, the "two" are Android and Apple. Blackberry has fallen off, and Microsoft never really had a serious chance at the mobile market share. I really can't imagine what Tizen would have to offer. Apps? That's what they're going for here? Are there not already enough on the other chosen platforms? Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think it's just far too late for a company to expect to be a major player in mobile device operating systems.

    1. Re:I feel like there can only be two by xvan · · Score: 1

      At least on the Maemo hype the argument was that you could trivially port all the existing linux libs, then just redesing the GUI.
      It's a good Idea, but if there's no money there won't good / attractive GUIs (linux is ugly, embedded linux is worse).

  16. Tizen store policy by tepples · · Score: 1

    From Validation Guidelines:

    Application should cover the entire screen of a device.

    This is likely to prove inconvenient to users as Samsung expands Tizen from phones to larger devices such as tablets. Enjoy your 10-inch four-function calculator.

    Another set of three rules taken together would make several kinds of video game impractical to develop for Tizen. There are four ways to display a game on a device that supports multiple orientations:

    A. Force an orientation. This is common on both iOS and Android but is forbidden on Tizen by the rule "Application should be displayed and work correctly regardless of the screen’s orientation."
    B. Letterbox if in the wrong orientation. I've seen this in a few Android games to compensate for the difference between 16:9 devices and 4:3 devices. But this is forbidden on Android by the rule "Application should cover the entire screen of a device."
    C. Stretch if in the wrong orientation. I haven't seen this in Android applications, but I included it for completeness to mention that Tizen prohibits it as well: "Application should not contain any overlapped or truncated text, graphics distortion, or any kinds of display errors.
    D. Switching between landscape and portrait modes causes a radical rearrangement of user interface elements and/or a change to how much of the playfield the player can see at once. This is likely to confuse players.

    Application should not use copyright-protected content without permission from the copyright holder.

    This completely ignores plenty of lawful uses of copyrighted works under statutory exceptions. These could be either a royalty-free exception, such as fair dealing or fair use, or a compulsory license, such as Internet radio.

    Application should not provide any method to share copyrighted content such as media or images via P2P or a server.

    Bye bye Dropbox.

    Content must not describe killing.

    Bye bye any game that would be rated M by the ESRB, as well as many games that would be rated T.

    Content must not depict violence towards vulnerable people, minors and animals.

    If even Duck Hunt wouldn't be appropriate, I don't know what would.

    Content must not disparage a person or a group of people on the basis of [...] Ideology

    So disparaging Nazis for their white nationalist ideology is forbidden.

    Furthermore, from Tizen Application Compliance:

    Users should be able to accept an incoming phone call while the application is running. Furthermore, it should resume from the same point, or at a reasonable re-starting point, when the call is ended.

    Bye bye any game with a competitive online multiplayer component, unless Samsung has chosen to be very generous as to what it considers "a reasonable re-starting point."

    1. Re:Tizen store policy by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      This is likely to prove inconvenient to users as Samsung expands Tizen from phones to larger devices such as tablets. Enjoy your 10-inch four-function calculator.

      Actually, not so much. It's a guideline, but actually Tizen uses some alien technology which has allowed for multiple, overlapping windows since 1987. The WM can just say (and I quote from the ICCCM) "fuck you window you're resized motherfucker" and then reparent the crap out of the window.

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    2. Re:Tizen store policy by tepples · · Score: 1

      Their rules, no developers.

    3. Re:Tizen store policy by tigersha · · Score: 1

      > Content must not disparage a person or a group of people on the basis of [...] Ideology

      Technically, that would even invalidate Kindle or iBook or any Ebook reader.
      Actually, that will even invalidate a web browser!

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  17. Agreed, the NX1 community is asking by lamer01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a huge cult following on the NX1 as the hardware is amazing but the closed source firmware is hampering the progress

  18. First app to develop: by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    When smartphone temperature exceeds 60 degrees, the app activates the GPS and sends the coordinates to the fire brigade.

  19. Also by dohzer · · Score: 1

    It probably also really, really want's people to use Tizen, but that ain't happening.

  20. Samsung's reputation... by emil · · Score: 1

    ...is not so good. Such an app store is more likely to abuse developers than Apple or Google (who themselves are no angels).

    ...Some Samsung executives saw a path for boosting profits by boldly and illegally fixing prices with competitors in some of their top businesses... competitors secretly got together in what they called “Glass Meetings” at hotels and resorts around the world... Samsung was fined $32 million in the U.S., $21.5 million in South Korea, and $197 million by the European Commission.

    ..but by 2006 the L.C.D. jig was up. Rumors began circulating among the conspirators that one of the victims of their crime—a company they referred to by the code name NYer—suspected that the suppliers were rigging prices. And Samsung executives presumably feared that NYer could spark a criminal investigation by the U.S. government; after all, NYer—in reality Apple Inc.—was pretty powerful. Samsung ran to the Justice Department under an anti-trust leniency program and ratted out its co-conspirators. But that didn’t lessen the pain much—the company was still forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to settle claims against it by state attorneys general and direct purchasers of L.C.D.’s.

    ...The decision to fess up to the L.C.D. scheme may not have been driven just by Apple’s suspicions. Samsung was already in law enforcement’s sights: sometime earlier a co-conspirator in another criminal price-fixing conspiracy had given up Samsung. That scheme, beginning in 1999, involved Samsung’s huge business for dynamic random-access memory, or DRAM, which is used in computer memories. In 2005, after it was caught, Samsung agreed to pay $300 million in fines to the U.S. government. Six of its executives pleaded guilty and agreed to serve sentences of 7 to 14 months in American prisons.

    Kim Yong-chul, who made his name as a star prosecutor in South Korea before joining Samsung, blew the whistle on what he said was massive corruption at the company. He accused senior executives of engaging in bribery, money-laundering, evidence tampering, stealing as much as $9 billion, and other crimes.

    In January 2008, government investigators raided the home and office of Lee Kun-hee, the chairman of Samsung, who was subsequently convicted of dodging some $37 million in taxes. He was given a three-year suspended sentence and ordered to pay $89 million in fines. A year and a half later, South Korean president Lee Myung-bak pardoned Lee.

    ...a Korean lawmaker claimed that Samsung had once offered her a golf bag stuffed with cash, and a former presidential aide said the company had given him a cash gift of $5,400, which he returned.

  21. Then Samsung should really really ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ...
    1.) offer an open and flexible FOSS mobile OS.
    2.) offer an open and flexible mobile development FOSS toolchain.
    3.) offer a range of non-locked, battery replacable, non-artificially memory/performance castrated handsets and tablets on which to install said OS and apps.

    Provide that and I'm switching to Samsung and Tizen inmediately.

    Until that happens though, I'm sticking with Android and affordable Motorola Handsets, thank you.

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  22. Tizen proprietary? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    By proprietary, if you mean 'belongs to a company', that is right. If you mean it's not open source, then you're wrong, since it is Linux. Since Replicant hasn't been hitting the shelves, good luck finding a non TiVo-ized OS

    Speaking of which, even Android is TiVo-ized, since you can't install your modified version of Android on your phone w/o breaking things

    1. Re:Tizen proprietary? by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, even Android is TiVo-ized, since you can't install your modified version of Android on your phone w/o breaking things

      Just "breaking things" isn't what makes something Tivoized. It's when the system is designed to prevent executing custom or modified code through the use of something like digital signatures. A locked phone which normally runs a modified version of GNU/Linux and also refuses to execute code that isn't signed by the carrier would be an example of Tivoized hardware, but the Android software itself isn't Tivoized at all.

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    2. Re:Tizen proprietary? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Tivo-ized refers to the using of Open Source software and preventing the update of said software on the Tivo-ized device. How is your standard Android phone not a perfect example of this?

      You are stupid beyond measure.

  23. Re:I didn't understand a word of the summary. by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    I'll summarize it for you: If nobody will write apps for Windows Phone 7, and then get backstabbed by Windows Phone 8, then why, oh why in God's name would anyone write apps for an OS for exploding phones? Hope that helps clarify.

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  24. Re:No, They Really Really Want Scammers by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    A new category for a Samsung OS on Samsung phone hardware. An app to remotely catch your phone on fire. That would be more popular than flashlight apps loaded with malware.

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  25. Re:isn't this by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    You would think Samsung would have noticed Nokia and Windows Phone 7 and 8. Microsoft was also paying developers developers to please, oh Please, for the love of God PLEASE put your app on our platform!

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  26. Perhaps Google needs to do the same by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, they might want to make sure that the same or better apps end up in Android space.

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  27. So does Apple. Just ask Apple (the Beatles), by raymorris · · Score: 1

    A made-up word has the best trademark protection, and for good reason.

    You say Blackberry means something, consider Apple. Apple means something, and that killed the Apple ][ .
    The Beatles brand name was Apple. They called their record company Apple Records and their holding company Apple Corps. The records featured a logo of an apple.

    A bit later, Steve Jobs also thought Apple was a good brand name. After a few years there were law suits. In 1978 Apple (computers) had to pay Apple (records) chunk of money, while Apple Corps agreed they would never get into the computer business and Apple Computer agreed they'd never sell get into the music business.

    Apple installed chips from Ensoniq, a well-known maker of musical synthesizers, in the Apple ][Â That meant the Apple ][ could be used as a synth. At the time, Apple Records was well known for synthesizer music, so of course they sued again. That was the end of the Apple ][Â

    Then a few years later along came the iPod and i Tunes. Apple sued Apple again, of course, since they weren't supposed to be in the music business.

    Making up a new word for your trademark is a really good idea.

  28. Tizen? Don't make me laugh by StevenMaurer · · Score: 2

    I worked on a contract in which an auto manufacturer was trying to use that abomination, and we could never even get the source to compile. Literally a year later, it came out that Samsung was trying to use both git/gerrit and Perforce as version control for it, mixed between different teams:

    Time went by and Bad Things started to appear. Git/gerrit was official in some teams, but Perforce was official in other teams (even working on the same component). Some patches went there, some there. The management finally decided Perforce code should be used as THE source for building OS images. Again, they only forgot to tell everyone else to stop using git

    Both repositories diverged to the point of being almost incompatible. Issues in Perforce code were given to git teams, which resulted in a litany of WTFs. After all, there’s not many things more fun than being tasked with fixing a bug in code that you physically don’t have. ASAP. Meetings took place, arrangements were made to rectify the situation. Months later, the situation is still the same.

    One implication was code review process. With gerrit in place, that was a non-issue. But the Korean teams didn’t (and still don’t) understand the notion of code review and pushed everything directly to the repo. The quality of some patches was so bad that enforcing code review became top priority for non-Korean teams. Finally, a solution was developed – MS Word based code review. Each changeset needs to be attached to a bug in the tracker. Each bug can have a Word document attached with a request for code review. That document is a three pages long form with information so useless, nobody even wants to read it. At the end there’s a place for copy-pasting a diff for each file changed, with the explanation why. Reviewers are supposed to fill a Word form with details about which line they comment on and what their issue with it is.

    Submitting a patch, clicking through the awful issue tracker and filling the form takes literal hours. All this because using git with gerrit was too tough. Fortunately, the review form has fields listing times taken by various steps in fixing a bug. Maybe someday someone will read how long pushing the code actually takes.

    No, they won’t.

    Luckily, that contract was short term. But because I put it on my resume, I got a few head-hunters inquiring about it. Quickly though, interest waned. Not hard to see why...

  29. I wanted to write an app for Tizen called Blow-up by tigersha · · Score: 1

    But Samsung rejected it!

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  30. Re:first posting is easy by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many incendiary self destruct apps will be submitted

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