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Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Had 'Forbidden' Internet Connection At the Pentagon, Says Report (businessinsider.com)

According to The New Yorker, President-elect Donald Trump's national security advisor, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, installed a secret internet connection into his office at the Pentagon even though it was "forbidden." Business Insider reports: The network connection was among other rules the former chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency broke because he found them to be "stupid," including sometimes sneaking out of a CIA station in Iraq without authorization and sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval, according to The New Yorker. While Flynn -- who was recently tapped to be President-elect Donald Trump's national security adviser -- apparently had his own private connection, the New Yorker profile doesn't provide a clear picture as to why. It's likely his Pentagon office already had an authorized, unclassified connection to the internet called NIPRNet, which is separate from classified networks such as SIPRNet and JWICS, a former DIA analyst told Business Insider. All of those networks are monitored in some way. A separate, unknown network would not have had the same -- or possibly any -- level of monitoring. If it were implemented in secret, it would also not have the same protections from hackers that a known connection would have. It's also possible that Flynn's Pentagon office was known as a SCIF, or sensitive compartmented information facility -- a secure facility in which intelligence can be discussed without fear of it being compromised. Network connections in SCIFs are closely controlled, and outside electronics such as mobile phones are not allowed inside.

314 comments

  1. Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We sure can trust this choice better than the one Ms. Clinton would have made.

    BTW, I have some bridges for sale...

    1. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

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    2. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by footNipple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

      That's great! And now we'll even see the US media bring back investigative journalism after an 8 year hiatus.

    3. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice that you recognize only Democrats are responsible enough to hold government officials accountable. Or is there another reason you're assuming Republicans aren't pissed about this?

    4. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I see that Putin's trolls have made it out again for this story.

    5. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by unixisc · · Score: 1, Troll

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

      Precisely! We had Patraeus convicted, there is a 4 star general who went to jail, and a sailor who went to jail for taking photos in a sub, even though it wasn't explicitly against the rules. Now we have Trump say that he doesn't want to hurt the Clintons - they are 'good people'. It would be one thing if he said it's not a top priority - he'd be right then - but to say that he doesn't want anything to happen to them? Leave that to Sessions and the Justice Department.

      But yeah, if Trump wants to give the Clintons a pass, then here's an idea. Pardon everybody who has gone to jail for less, and pro-actively pardon Gen Flynn for having a secret internet connection. I mean, given the way that Obama has been cozying up to America's enemies, like Iran, I fully understand why any patriotic American, like Gen Flynn, would wanna keep his communications secret from this administration. Normally, for violating rules, it would be subject to criminal procedures, but given all we've been through w/ Hilary, the State Department and the Clinton Foundation, what Trump should do is pardon every one of those previous violations, including Gen Flynn's, and start w/ a clean slate.

    6. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by unixisc · · Score: 1, Troll

      Given what is being ascribed to Putin here, he should have been on the ballot. If his support is indeed what Democrats claim it is, it's he who would have won the popular vote, not Clinton

    7. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by footNipple · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see that Putin's trolls have made it out again for this story.

      And I'm done Putin up with the likes of you!

    8. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones that I had for sell,

    9. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about pardon for Edward Snowden?

      He actually did something useful.

    10. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

      And Republicans have learned that those national security rules they spent three years screaming about really aren't all that important.

      Don't hold your breath waiting for Tom Cotton to start House investigations into General Flynn.

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    11. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Funny

      There ya go, Russian to judgement...

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    12. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O.M.G.!.!

    13. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All together now: lock him up, lock him up, ...

    14. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not the Democrats or Republicans we should be concerned about. It's the president-elect who appointed a man made in his self-image that has apparently shown a disregard for the rules. But if you want to sticks with your contention Republicans are pissed this guy had his AOL account Pentagon pinging away in an illegal fashion, then I'm quite sure they will speak up. Monday is only a few short days away. I'll be watching and listening for the Republican pissing.

    15. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crooked Flynn-Flam man

    16. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      If the Pentagon's internet connection is anything like the one at my "big corporate" office, you can get better connection through your phone's 4G, much better. The General's office might not have had 4G service, so he just ordered a hardline.

    17. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's great! And now we'll even see the US media bring back investigative journalism after an 8 year hiatus.

      What planet are you from? Surely, you don't mean 8 Earth years. There wasn't an overabundance of investigative journalism during several of the previous administrations, either.

    18. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by dbIII · · Score: 1

      why any patriotic American, like Gen Flynn, would wanna keep his communications secret from this administration

      You are seriously the guy who was talking about treason elsewhere and you wrote THAT!

    19. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Nobody's claiming that Putin has the support of the electorate, only that there are strong indications that his government tried to manipulate the election.

    20. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I mean, given the way that Obama has been cozying up to America's enemies, like Iran, ...

      As opposed to our "friends" like Saudi Arabia, who just want us to supply them as they champion *their* brand of Islamic fundamentalism in the ongoing tussle between Sunni and Shia, right?

      This just provides evidence that you're very shortsighted, and that Obama is not.

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    21. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Oh, and the 9/11 mob--all Iranians, right?

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    22. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      I won't claim to be a Republican but you can scroll up the page and find my post saying that everyone should be held to the same standard, including Colin Powell, who appears to have largely escaped notice for doing pretty much the same thing this guy did.

    23. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Sarius64 · · Score: 2

      Oh please. The article was factually inaccurate wherever it tried to use actual content from the real world. It's like some fucking moron at BI got a hold of a basic government network description document and just started slapping bullshit into their article to see what stuck. Laughable, to say the least;

    24. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      As long as he didn't install an email server on his illegal internet connection, I'm sure state secrets were safe and sound.
      Reading TFA, this guy seems to be perfectly in line with typical Trump philosphy of believing he knows better than what all the experts say.

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    25. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We had Patraeus convicted

      Petraeus was literally handing bound volumes of above top secret information over in exchange for sex. Clinton was being lazy with e-mail security and far less classified data. Petraeus got a tiny slap on the wrist. Petraeus is a perfect example of why it was hypocritical for the republicans to go after Clinton like that. He's also a good explanation for why it's true that no sane prosecutor would go after Clinton for what she did.

    26. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2

      > That's great! And now we'll even see the US media bring back investigative journalism after an 8 year hiatus.

      Wolf Blitzer is suddenly going to discover what a SCIF is, and all the rules and regulations that go along with it.

      Anderson Cooper is going to run a story on why it is important to safeguard classified information, and why network security is paramount.

      Rachel Maddow will wax poetic about not allowing unsecured devices anywhere near any form of classified data.

      The media will run an uninterrupted series of negative opinion pieces disguised as news for the next 4 years.

    27. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there is that odd statistical results from the states using electronic voting...

    28. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

      The media will run an uninterrupted series of negative opinion pieces disguised as news for the next 4 years.

      Don't forget the clumsily disguised contempt shared among them like nervous laughter.

      The kind of contempt passive-aggressives fall into when things don't go their way. The kind child psychologists can see directly through that serves as a signal for them to dig deeper.

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    29. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still alive?

      I thought you were going to suicide if Trump got elected. There's still time.

      Take off your clothes, masturbate, and drag a blade over your throat.

    30. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Interesting that rather than accepting and realizing the utter hypocrisy of the entire GOP, you blame Democrats. This is why it's so much easier to accept Democrats - despite their horrendous flaws - that Republicans. Their fans.

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    31. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by samkass · · Score: 1

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

      Well, it's frustrating since the email issue is literally the only thing that lost her the election. And it was intended to increase security, was never hacked, and was a step above the activities of her predecessors. Now we have Trump's man intentionally giving out secret information, setting up open network connections in secure facilities, and doing all this in an operational military environment, but meh. At least we kept the woman out of the White House amirite?

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    32. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by johanw · · Score: 1

      Even if he had, the US under Bill Clinton admitted that they influenced the Russian elections of the time and got Jeltsin re-elected. I guess the Russians are now repaying you with interest.

    33. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by johanw · · Score: 2

      I guess even Putin would have beaten Hillary if he was allowed to for US president.

    34. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      The media will run an uninterrupted series of negative opinion pieces disguised as news for the next 4 years.

      Opinions that all turn out to be true, as even the most hardened republicans realised Bush was a useless fool? Or wait you weren't talking about the BW presidency...

    35. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as he isn't sending emails over it, no hypocrisy here! It's completely different!

    36. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We sure can trust this choice better than the one Ms. Clinton would have made.

      BTW, I have some bridges for sale...

      From what I can tell this appears to be far worse than what Hillary did. Having a server at her house was in no way shape or form illegal. We have been over that. The only issue is she used the server for government work, which was prohibited by department policy and that she wasn't careful enough about what she sent on it. (There was zero evidence of deliberately trying to send anything classified on it.) Every email she sent that crossed into the government system from the outside would still go through some level of scanning, just as any other email would.

      This guy is basically saying to hell with IT. He is putting a totally uncontrolled system inside the ring of controlled systems. Just add some custom malware, which could have been easily picked up and transmitted via a shared usb stick, and now you have malware inside the controlled systems, compromising not just his one renegade system, but the entire network.

      Hell, I remember well at work how non updated systems would get malware. It is ridiculously easy when so many people are moving USB drives and similar around. Hillary at least appears to have hired someone marginally competent to run it, or well, given the last election those emails would have been released.

      Just pray the guy didn't plug both the totally insecure internet and the secured network into the same PC. At that point the guy might as well be working for a foreign government, with as helpful as he is being.

    37. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Cosby said he wants his jello Putin.

    38. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Government tends to grow under Republicans.

      Enjoy the next 4 years while Trump and Ryan spend like drunken sailors, cut taxes on the wealthy, run up the deficit and debt to astronomical levels all while assuring everyone that wealth will trickle down any second now, and then when it all falls apart they'll stand back, blame Obama even though they control everything and pretty much have for the last six years, and say "see, we told you government doesn't work".

    39. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cry yourself back to sleep and wait for the next junkie dick to suck. You were such a cocky little cunt when you thought Hillary was going to win and now you give a fuck about the offenses of politicians? Shove it up your fucking asshole, bitch.

      I love that you little cunts are crying and running for any amount of hope. You should have thought of this shit before you handed over so much power to one leader. Now you're fucked and I hope you piss blood for it before it's all over. You got exactly what you fucking deserved.

    40. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is odd? The count can be higher, lower, or even. A few places might have more e-vote thingies than others. So... riot!

    41. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, provided that he sacrifices the lives of his colleagues for personal gain and then lies about it while breaking further laws and committing treason THEN it's equal.

    42. Re: Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean completely different

    43. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by mea2214 · · Score: 1

      Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

      That's great! And now we'll even see the US media bring back investigative journalism after an 8 year hiatus.

      You mean a 16 year hiatus. They awarded a Freedom medal to George Tenet for god sake..

    44. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice that you recognize only Democrats are responsible enough to hold government officials accountable.

      That's not what Rockoon did, and I don't know why you are accusing them of it.

      What Rockoon did, was to make fun of that fact that, now that the Democrats will soon lose their majority grip to Republicans, suddenly they support limits on governmental power.

      Or is there another reason you're assuming Republicans aren't pissed about this?

      Because Trump was the Republican candidate? Yes, I suppose it is possible for "the party" (whoever that is supposed to encompass) might be pissed about the actions of their candidate. But in general, it is safe to assume that "the party" is ok with the action.

    45. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Cry yourself back to sleep and wait for the next junkie dick to suck. You were such a cocky little cunt when you thought Hillary was going to win and now you give a fuck about the offenses of politicians? Shove it up your fucking asshole, bitch.

      Sir, shouldn't you be attending national security briefings instead of replying to posts on Slashdot?

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    46. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Merely because a foreign power manipulated the US electorate doesn't mean we have to stand by the manipulated result.

      Perhaps if you were a US citizen you'd feel differently; I assume that you are a Russian citizen who has benefited from the Putin regime or maybe just someone who hates the US and applauds anything that hurts it and its populace.

    47. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

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    48. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >Opinions that all turn out to be true

      ??

      Did Bush actually turn out to be Hitler in disguise? Because that was their main bit with him.

      Democrats only have three possible responses to any Republican in the world:
      1) He's Hitler.
      2) He's racist.
      3) He's a fool.

      (Replace He with She for any female Republican, such as Sarah Palin - guess which one they picked for her?)

      The American electorate woke up to this fact a while back, and aren't buying it any more. Bill Maher said (about a week before the election) that maybe it was a mistake to call every Republican candidate Hitler, because *now this time he's really Hitler*. Lol.

    49. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      He shared with someone with the proper clearance but no practical access entitlement; and paid his fines. Certainly more cleared than Huma or Hillary's maid, who have no clearance whatsoever.

    50. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've been critical of Obama vis a vis both Iran and Saudi Arabia. In fact, there has rarely been a Jihadist group that Obama didn't like - starting from Mohammed Morsi in Egypt to the Saudis to the Iranians. I like the idea of the US forming an alliance w/ Russia against ALL Islamic forces - be it Iran, Saudis, ISIS, Hizbullah, Libyans, et al. Which is why Flynn's connections to Russia is actually very good, and I hope he does not put an anti-Russian troll like Romney in power.

    51. Re:Nice to see we'll be in better hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, the, what, 2 million words granted to rightards to pursue the Clintons while ignoring Trump's criminal enterprise was NOT investigative Journalism?
      Oh, wait, my bad, it wasn't bad ENOUGH on Hillary and it didn't cover up ENOUGH of Trump's criminal involvement

  2. One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One rule for them and another for us.
    Hillary using email doesn't sound so bad in comparison now does it?


    Yes I know Hillary is old news and did far worse things than her email server, but I could not resist a smug "I told you so".

    sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval

    That's actually more serious than Snowden's leak to reporters who are US citizens.

    1. Re:One rule for them and another for us by ckatko · · Score: 2

      No, it's way more telling that democrats actually care about security... when it's not a democrat in the spotlight.

    2. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you are missing the bit where this was a SCIF. Look it up.

      This might be considered to be just a bit worse.

    3. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to be under the impression that by "us" I meant democrats instead of everyone other than Trump's cronies.
      The rule of law applies to us and not them. Just like a King before Magna Carta.

    4. Re:One rule for them and another for us by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One rule for them and another for us.
      Hillary using email doesn't sound so bad in comparison now does it?

      Yes I know Hillary is old news and did far worse things than her email server, but I could not resist a smug "I told you so".

      sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval

      That's actually more serious than Snowden's leak to reporters who are US citizens.

      Whether or not Clinton realized there was classified info on her server there's no reason to think she was trying to share that information with unauthorized recipients (which is the major reason the FBI declined to prosecute).

      If Flynn was deliberately sending classified info to unauthorized foreign governments then that's much worse than anything Clinton was accused of.

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    5. Re:One rule for them and another for us by unixisc · · Score: 0

      One rule for them and another for us. Hillary using email doesn't sound so bad in comparison now does it? Yes I know Hillary is old news and did far worse things than her email server, but I could not resist a smug "I told you so".

      sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval

      That's actually more serious than Snowden's leak to reporters who are US citizens.

      Until one knows what's in Hilary's deleted emails, how does one know whether that was worse than sharing classified information w/ NATO allies? I agree that sharing info w/ allies is a crime, but what Hilary did could well be treason - had she ultimately enabled Iran to get its hands on American Uranium via the Russians. So I'd certainly go for some perspective here

    6. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You've got it ass backwards. Have you ever heard the phrase "Do as I say, not as I do"?

      Just how hypocritical/stupid do you have to be to nominate someone who blatantly compromised security at the DOD after the Republican House spent years hounding Hillary Clinton about email security as the Secretary of State?

      Your question implies that you don't understand the nature of time. When event A happens before event B, normal humans have the ability to evaluate event B by remembering what happened during event A. You seem unable to grasp this concept.

      On a more personal note, do you identify more with NAZI propaganda or KKK propaganda?

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    7. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but those aboard the trump train won't see it that way. billionaires have their own rules and are allowed to break those intended for mere citizens.

      a secret internet pipe in the pentagon is orders of magnitude worse than clinton's email server... AND at the time of their respective implementation and use was ILLEGAL as fuck, whereas clinton's email server was technically within the laws and policies at the time.

    8. Re:One rule for them and another for us by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Exactly. But Snowden deserves the death penalty while his old buddy Hillary should remain free.

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    9. Re:One rule for them and another for us by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think the FBI had any say whatsoever in the decision to prosecute shows just how fucking little you know about US law enforcement. Loretta Lynch was the one who would choose whether to prosecute.

    10. Re:One rule for them and another for us by khallow · · Score: 2

      Whether or not Clinton realized there was classified info on her server there's no reason to think she was trying to share that information with unauthorized recipients (which is the major reason the FBI declined to prosecute).

      Intent is irrelevant to a charge of gross negligence.

      If Flynn was deliberately sending classified info to unauthorized foreign governments then that's much worse than anything Clinton was accused of.

      Depends on the level of classification. Clinton had some documents on her server with very high levels of classification and which she didn't have the authority to declassify because they didn't come from the State Department (satellite images, human intelligence reports).

    11. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you might be forgetting the bit where Hillary allowed her housekeeper--who isn't even a citizen, let alone cleared--into the SCIF in her home.

      Face it: they're "both" corrupt as a three-week-old fish.

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    12. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And James Bond is still MI6's best secret agent that has his own movie series and you didn't know that little fucking fact.

      Figured I should sling bullfacts like ravenshrike. Makes me feel important and worthy of something.

    13. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI recommended no prosecution. It's hard to pin that on Lynch.

    14. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 0

      how does one know whether that was worse than sharing classified information w/ NATO allies

      Now here's a guess - maybe because she didn't share it with anyone?
      That wasn't too hard was it.
      Maybe you could have done it yourself if you were not pretending deliberate stupidity to avoid being accused of a double standard.

      but what Hilary did could well be treason

      WTF?
      Start paying attention. Outing intelligence agents isn't treason (Libby) and selling weapons (including restricted anti-tank ones that even Israel couldn't get) to Iran and the terrorist wing of Hezbolla less than a year after Hezbolla killed over a hundred US Marines (North) isn't treason either. So how does Hillary's email server fit in this - and if it does, why is what she did treason but what Flynn has done not?
      Can you answer that one honestly with the full use of your faculties instead of pretended misunderstanding or lack of intelligence?

    15. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Clinton's email server was not within the laws and policies at the time, it was, however, consistent with what previous administrations had done before those policies were added.

    16. Re:One rule for them and another for us by sparkeyjames · · Score: 1

      Uranium ore is a world wide commodity. It's listed on commodity indexs and has a price of $25 a pound. You could buy a few pounds yourself if you wanted to. Way down from the $50 a pound it was when that business was sold to the Russian concern. They took a big financial hit on that one. The US hasn't really lost access to Uranium ore and the business that the Russian concern bought took a HUGE financial hit. What's not to like.

    17. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      > there's no reason to think she was trying to share that information with unauthorized recipients (which is the major reason the FBI declined to prosecute).

      No, there's good reason to think stuff got shared with Huma and Hillary's lawyers, among others. It's in the docs the FBI released.

      Regarding the alleged lack of intent, you can find a good summary here going over this.

    18. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Intent is irrelevant to a charge of gross negligence.

      Not just irrelevant, it's literally contradictory. If you have intent, it wasn't negligence and vice versa.

      So saying that you'd only prosecute someone for intentional negligence is essentially saying if (intent and (not intent)) { prosecute } which of course cannot possibly reach the 'prosecute' under any circumstances.

      Naturally, this matches the results observed.

    19. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You apparently don't understand what "at the time" means. AC apparently does. Next?

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    20. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      Considering the information published by British newspapers, her e-mails were not within the law. I has been illegal t compromise classified information (which Comey admitted she leaked) for many years before Secretary Clinton was appointed.

    21. Re:One rule for them and another for us by ogdenk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One rule for them and another for us.
      Hillary using email doesn't sound so bad in comparison now does it?

      Hillary using e-mail wasn't the problem. It was her setting up an insecure private MS Exchange server in order to avoid oversight from the government or public (via FOIA requests) and to make her willful destruction of evidence so much easier.

      I love how people try to downplay this as if it was an "accidental" slip and a trivial oversight on her part. Flynn is obviously a douche as well who needs his ass kicked.

      Oh.... almost forgot.... FUCK YOUR PARTISAN BULLSHIT!

    22. Re:One rule for them and another for us by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval

      That's actually more serious than Snowden's leak to reporters who are US citizens.

      You have a strange sense of priority.

      Leaking to reporters: their job is to disseminate the information as widely as possible. Some journalists gave at least some thoughts to the damage this could do, others just published everything and damn the consequences. Secrets are secret no longer.

      Leaking to the government or military of NATO allies: the information ends up in an organization equipped to deal with secrets and used to keeping them secret. Also allies, you know, countries whose interests are generally aligned with those of the US. Secrets stay secret, and may be used to actually solve a problem here or there.

      There's a long history of allied countries sharing too little information in wartime and suffering as a result. Also a long history of unofficial/unauthorized sharing of information to mitigate that problem.

    23. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a long history of allied countries sharing too little information in wartime and suffering as a result.

      There's also a long history of giving people who share classified information with allies very long prison sentences. So what's your point?

    24. Re:One rule for them and another for us by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      The GP calls giving classified information to NATO allies worse than giving classified information to journalists, when it's in fact the other way round.

    25. Re:One rule for them and another for us by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Face it: they're "both" corrupt as a three-week-old fish.

      That's not corruption, numbnuts. Corruption doesn't simple mean "doing things I don't like", or even "breaking the law". There's no financial gain in either of those crimes so it's not corruption.

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    26. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's way more telling that democrats actually care about security... when it's not a democrat in the spotlight.

      More like Republican idiots that have double standards and try to accuse the other side of things they do. Only an idiot (Ahem I mean Republican) is that fucking dumb.

    27. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Flynn is obviously a douche as well who needs his ass kicked

      Exactly my point.

      PARTISAN BULLSHIT

      You are mistaking me for someone else, presumably due to partisan bullshit of your own and all this "if you are not with me you are against me" bullshit. Pointing out that someone who is clearly not fit for office is worse than Hillary is not the same as cheering for Hillary.

    28. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1
      It's a crime to leak US eyes only information to foreigners even it they are allies. Thus worse than Snowden who leaked to people from his own country. Funny people scream about Snowden helping foreign powers when "the enemy" was really the American people. Also funny how there are all these screams of treason yet the people who actually did spread the information to foreigners were never charged with anything.

      Also a long history of unofficial/unauthorized sharing of information to mitigate that problem.

      Funny how if it's someone associated with the Party you like it's OK to piss all over national security but someone outside the Party it is not. It sounds pretty fucking Soviet to me. Do you support your country and it's Constitution or are you putting the Party first like a good little Comrade instead of a free citizen?

    29. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You've twisted something very simple.
      Leaking to Americans who are well within the reach of the law or to foreign powers who are not.
      Depending on the information the latter can be a very serious problem even if they are allied. Disclosing Kurdish military information to someone in the Turkish military (a NATO ally) would be a serious fuckup at this point. In fact at this point disclosing anything interesting to someone from the Turkish military now is pretty well the same as telling the Russians only with a bit of lag.

    30. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Loretta Lynch, particularly that song Don't Come Home A' Drinkin' With Lovin' on Your Mind...

    31. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The only source for this story seems to be a single article in the New York Post, which is slightly better than the National Enquirer on this issue.

      Judging by how many other Hillary "scandals" turned out not to be true, why should anyone believe this?

    32. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Clinton had some documents on her server with very high levels of classification and which she didn't have the authority to declassify because they didn't come from the State Department (satellite images, human intelligence reports).

      Not true. Some emails discussed news articles concerning intelligence operations which relied upon satellite imagery and human intelligence.

      A dubious news source, the Washington Times, seems to have conflated the two.

    33. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Boronx · · Score: 1

      It was her setting up an insecure private MS Exchange server in order to avoid oversight from the government or public (via FOIA requests) and to make her willful destruction of evidence so much easier.

      If she wanted her emails destroyed, there were easy ways to do it and get away with it. Combining her work email and personal email made that much tougher.

      Clinton has stated that the reason she used her own server was to avoid leaks at State. Her explanation makes sense, yours doesn't.

      Plus, Clinton cooperated fully with requests from State, and all FBI investigations.

    34. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Loretta Lynch chose to pass the buck to the FBI when she announced if the FBI said there was a case she would prosecute it. The fact that you can't manage to put 2 and 2 together to get 4 makes me think you're either a Trump or Russian shill.

    35. Re:One rule for them and another for us by khallow · · Score: 1

      A dubious news source, the Washington Times, seems to have conflated the two.

      Says who? I'll note that there's similar stuff like that from from other sources:

      Fox News reported Friday that at least one of Clintonâ(TM)s emails included sensitive information on spies.

      âoeIt takes a very conscious effort to move a classified email or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clintonâ(TM)s personal email account,â said Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent. âoeThatâ(TM)s no less than a two-conscious-step process.â

      He says itâ(TM)s clear from some of the classified emails made public that someone on Clintonâ(TM)s staff essentially âoecut and pastedâ content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels â" and so sensitive in nature that âoeit would have been obvious to Clinton.â Most likely the information was, in turn, emailed to her via NIPRNet.

    36. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > which is slightly better than the National Enquirer on this issue.

      But on other issues, its totally legit.
      Its just this one where their editorial standards were not adhered too.

    37. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      That's actually more serious than Snowden's leak to reporters who are US citizens.

      Not even remotely, and I voted for her as the lesser of two evils (by a loooooooooooooooooong way.)

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    38. Re:One rule for them and another for us by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Funny how you're reading much more into my statement than is actually there. The USA is not my country.

      I'm not even primarily talking about actions being criminal or not. Again, disclosing secrets to the whole world seems to me a much worse breach of security than disclosing them to a few government officials.

    39. Re: One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, uncleared personnel are allowed into a SCIF. They must be accompanied at all times and the classified information covered. Oh and a big fucking red strobe light on the ceiling will be turned on.

    40. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Imrik · · Score: 1

      At the time she set up her server, it was against the rules. If she had been the previous secretary of state, it would not have been.

    41. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might be forgetting the bit where Hillary allowed her housekeeper--who isn't even a citizen, let alone cleared--into the SCIF in her home.

      Face it: they're "both" corrupt as a three-week-old fish.

      Some of us have never heard of unmanned SCIFs before. Does the kind of SCIF at her residence even have a locked door?

    42. Re:One rule for them and another for us by chihowa · · Score: 1

      You're getting closer, but your thinking is still too clouded by party politics.

      "Us" means everyone other than the entire ruling class and their cronies. If you're seeing huge differences between Clinton and Trump, D and R, etc in their disregard for the average citizen then you're still falling for their "divide and rule" BS.

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    43. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      It's also nonsensical, because material that is over the classification of the system being on a server happens all the time in military/government work. I saw it happen several times. They yank any of the computers with the material off the network, and remove the material using approved methods. They also conduct an investigation to establish why it got there in the first place. If the answer is something like "it was a mistake" or "I didn't realize that was classified at the time", or basically anything other than trying to be the next Snowden or selling it to China/Russia, then the person who SENT the material gets a slap on the wrist, a note put in their file that they committed a security violation, and they have to retake a few hours of OPSEC training. If they get enough security violations (for this or other things), they could have their clearance revoked.

      But the people who received it? Nothing happens to them, unless they were doing something with the information they weren't supposed to, like printing it out and handing it to people on the street or something.

    44. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is. Oxford:
      1) dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery:
      2) the process by which something, typically a word or expression, is changed from its original use or meaning to one that is regarded as erroneous or debased.
      Seems that both definitions fit. Dishonest conduct to corrupt the communications and retentions regulations.

    45. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a more personal note, do you identify more with NAZI propaganda or KKK propaganda?

      Well, I definitely prefer the NAZI fashion sense..

    46. Re:One rule for them and another for us by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You may not think that Islamic entities like Iran or Hizbullah are enemies, but they are. So if Hilary or ANYONE sells weapons to them, they are guilty of treason. All you did above was ASSUME that she did NOTHING, which just doesn't jive w/ her behavior over the last 8 years. If she was indeed innocent, she would have stepped forward and cleared her name so that those charges couldn't have been SUCCESSFULLY used in a campaign against her, and derailed her last attempt at becoming POTUS

    47. Re: One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lock him up?!

      Oh wait, that only applies to wimpy Democrats.

      This is messed up folks....

    48. Re:One rule for them and another for us by epine · · Score: 1

      If an active FBI investigation doesn't clear you, what would stepping further forward actually accomplish?

    49. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Agreed wholeheartedly and thank you for noticing the facts. There are two parties in the US: The elected and the electorate.

      Any other interpretation of the political landscape turns you in to a tool of the elected ruling class. They will use you against your American brothers and sisters, and ultimately use your political will against you and what you believe in. They try to keep you confused and angry. So much easier to herd and control that way.

      People need to wake the fuck up.

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    50. Re:One rule for them and another for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think you deserve the death penalty since you advocate it and you feel that a person who exposes people who give other people death penalties makes this point neatly for myself and others who oppose death and destruction from phony governments.
      Also, I don't think Hillary and Snowden were buddies... just FYI death guy

    51. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Again, disclosing secrets to the whole world

      That's the point I'm trying to get across - exposing to the world instead of to a couple of people from the same country.
      Snowden did not give secrets to agents of a foreign power while Flynn has admitted doing so.
      If you were talking about what the journalists did that's similar to Flynn but they have not been charged with anything.

    52. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1

      but your thinking is still too clouded by party politics

      Actually it isn't, I have nothing to do with either party. You are projecting. You do have a good point about the parties having more similarities than differences but don't accuse me of something you are projecting from your own mind.

    53. Re:One rule for them and another for us by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You may not think that Islamic entities like Iran or Hizbullah are enemies, but they are

      You think I decided North was not a traitor? Take it up with the people who pardoned North. Also North is one of the guys running the NRA agitating for no gun restrictions for suspected terrorists on the no-fly list.

    54. Re:One rule for them and another for us by khallow · · Score: 1

      But the people who received it?

      Why ask that question? In the case of Clinton, she enabled this distribution of classified information over her personal email server. She didn't merely receive. Similarly, the complaints about Flynn aren't that he received either.

  3. That guy is more compromised than Robert Hansen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He may as well get direct deposit from FSB and no one will touch him (because he isn't a "lib" - so, of course, nothing to see here)

    1. Re:That guy is more compromised than Robert Hansen by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Donald has said that when you're president, there can't be conflict of interest. Maybe it applies to his underlings, too.

  4. Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, if you think Clinton shouldn't be in jail, then don't act like this guy should be either. You either think both parties should be in jail when they do something corrupt, or you're an asshole.

    1. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... when you put it that way, there sure are a lot of assholes.

    2. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If Clinton shouldn't be in jail, then all the people who've been jailed for far less should be pardoned and released, and the government should compensate them for any lost income

    3. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. I don't think either should be in jail. I think they should be on trail. I don't want rumors and suspicions putting people in jail. We are not a totalitarian society, and with luck, we won't become one. Instead, they have the right to stand trial before a judge and jury, and to have their guilt or innocence proven. It seems now that all these steps are ones we want to skip. Instead we decide that we don't like people and want them to go away. I'm a big Snowden fan too, and I think he should be on trial too. The biggest problem with that is the espionage act, winch effectively guarantees an unfair trial. If those charges went away, I would like to see him face the others in court (Of course, if they don't, I'd never see him face any charges in court, since it would be a closed session). I believe that it's not the ends that are important when it comes to society's longevity, but instead the means and methods, as short cuts taken even for the best of reasons set precedent for future transgressions and abuses.

    4. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the U.S. has some source document that hints about a process law enforcement needs to follow before jailing someone. I'm sure Flynn will be as heavily investigated as Hillary was. I'm positive. Trump said he would and that's as definitive as it can get ... right?

    5. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Can this fucking "corrupt" meme please fucking die. Words actually mean things. Corruption is not merely breaking the law.

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    6. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 weren't investigated as much as Hillary was.

    7. Re:Then he and Clinton can share a cell by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Der Fuhrer called her crooked, so crooked she is!

  5. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    More Fake News. Somehow a military officer violated security rules by the dozen with impunity. I wonder who their "source" is? Putin?

  6. Preaching to the choir. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The network connection was among other rules the former chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency broke because he found them to be "stupid," including sometimes sneaking out of a CIA station in Iraq without authorization and sharing classified information with NATO allies without approval, ...

    If I had a nickel for every rule or person I thought was stupid but had to follow anyway I could retire by now, but, like it or not, that's the job. Sure, at a certain level, it's also your responsibility to point things out and make recommendations, but if they are ignored, declined or overruled then you gotta live with it.

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    1. Re:Preaching to the choir. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked inside the NIPR, it's a really broken connection to the Internet. It is not uncommon to delegate a few tasks to home or the phone because you can't access a needed site through the NIPR. Blocked sites often included mission related sites. For us programmers, sourceforge is blocked. Github was as well until recently. Forget about dropbox. And there is no way to download an EXE or a ZIP.

      And then there are the browser configurations: filtered or blocked Javascript...yes Javascript. Blocked CSS sheets. Compatibility mode issues. The NIPR is administered by McAffee...yes, you read that correctly. It's broken and often unusable. It is not too uncommon for people in high levels to get special connections.

    2. Re:Preaching to the choir. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If I had a nickel for every rule or person I thought was stupid but had to follow anyway I could retire by now, but, like it or not, that's the job. Sure, at a certain level, it's also your responsibility to point things out and make recommendations, but if they are ignored, declined or overruled then you gotta live with it.

      No.

      emph. NO.

    3. Re:Preaching to the choir. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is all Snowden did.

    4. Re:Preaching to the choir. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If you're gonna claim some sort of authority over the topic at hand at least post with your moniker and not AC. I'll lend a modicum of credence to an AC's personal opinion but not a dram to a presumed position of authority.

  7. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by HanzoSpam · · Score: 2
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  8. Fake news!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it ever end?

  9. Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the relevant parts of the summary.

    According to ... according to ... apparently ... doesn't provide a clear picture as to why... It's likely ... or possibly ... If ... It's also possible ...

    Everything else in the summary is conjecture.

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    1. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is. The main reason for locking down networks is so you can log and monitor what goes in and out.

      Nobody can know what went in or out of the network, much like nobody can know it's HC's email server was compromised by foriegn actors.

    2. Re:Not fake news at all. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Everything else in the summary is conjecture.

      Exactly, like this gem from the New Yorker article:

      Islam is not a religion, Flynn and Ledeen wrote, but a political ideology bent on destroying Judeo-Christian civilization. Flynn began saying that he had been fired because President Obama disagreed with his views on terrorism and wanted to hide the growth of ISIS. I haven't found anyone yet who heard him say this while he was still in the military. In the past, I've asked Flynn directly about this claim; he has told me that he doesn't have any proof -- it's just something he feels was true.

      Wow! Much insight. So truthful.

      Or this as well:

      The lifelong intelligence officer, who once valued tips gleaned from tribal reporters, has become a ready tweeter of hackneyed conspiracy theories. He reposts the vitriol of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim commentators. "Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL," he tweeted in February, linking to a false claim that Islam wants eighty per cent of humanity enslaved or exterminated.

      So yeah, I can see how it's all conjecture when it comes straight from the guy's mouth or his own postings. Complete fabrications. Nothing but fake news.

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    3. Re:Not fake news at all. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Everything else in the summary is conjecture.

      Sure, you just have to follow the lead to the source.

      Flynn broke rules he thought were stupid. He once told me about a period he spent assigned to a C.I.A. station in Iraq, when he would sometimes sneak out of the compound without the “insane” required approval from C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia. He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden. There was also the time he gave classified information to nato allies without approval, an incident which prompted an investigation, and a warning from superiors. During his stint as Mullen’s intelligence chief, Flynn would often write “This is bullshit!” in the margins of classified papers he was obliged to pass on to his boss, someone who saw these papers told me.

      So this is information the reporter collected from sources which include Flynn himself. The question is if you believe the reporter and if you do, do you believe sources like Flynn.

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    4. Re:Not fake news at all. by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The actual article is much more straight forward. Note these lines:

      He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden.

      he gave classified information to NATO allies without approval

      There's nothing ambiguous there. But while I think it's unlikely he damaged national security with his flouting of the rules, the following paragraph is more disconcerting.

      Flynn was one of the few high-ranking officers who disdained the Army’s culture of conformity. But McChrystal also knew he had to protect Flynn from that same culture. He “boxed him in,” someone who had worked with both men told me last week, by encouraging Flynn to keep his outbursts in check and surrounding him with subordinates who would challenge the unsubstantiated theories he tended to indulge.

      And then there's this:

      His subordinates started a list of what they called “Flynn facts,” things he would say that weren’t true, like when he asserted that three-quarters of all new cell phones were bought by Africans or, later, that Iran had killed more Americans than Al Qaeda.

      This is the man who will be advising our president on issues pertaining to national security. A man who indulges in unsubstantiated theories .

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    5. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, 80% is completely bogus. it's not 80%, it's to kill or enslave whoever isn't a Muslim.

    6. Re:Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This is the man who will be advising our president on issues pertaining to national security.

      Just about everybody Trump has floated for cabinet positions is, at best, second-string material.
      Its kinda stunning that (most) of the GOP is going along with a wholesale appointment of incompetence.
      They jumped all over Bush for trying to appoint Harriet Miers to the supreme court. But when it comes to Trump, few in his party seem willing to say anything critical. Shit, Obama nominated three republicans for his cabinet.

    7. Re:Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Its kinda stunning that (most) of the GOP is going along with a wholesale appointment of incompetence.

      He doesn't owe them. They did not help him get elected, at all. So at the moment they have no leverage whatsoever. Later there will be some quid pro quo going on because they will need each other, but in the meantime he's a kid in a candy store and he's picking people who won't prevent him from Making America Great Again.

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    8. Re: Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Right, 80% is completely bogus. it's not 80%, it's to kill or enslave whoever isn't a Muslim.

      It's even more strict than that. In order to be spared, a country must be part of "the House of Islam" (Dar al-islam), which is defined by 3 rules:

      1. Muslims must be able to enjoy peace and security with and within this country.
      2. The country should be ruled by a Muslim government
      3. It has common frontiers with some Muslim countries.

      Everything else is heathens.

      There are lesser targets (like Dar al-Dawa, pro-Muslim countries that don't match the 3 rules) but they're also slated for extermination if they don't become proper Muslim countries.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The only Dar al-Islam region in recent history was Afghanistan under the Taliban rule. Anything else was at best al-Dawa.

      Of course some people see a reality TV real estate buffoon as the Pure Evil that will destroy the planet with war and intolerance, I'll be curious to see how those people will thrive under the rule of radical Islam.

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    9. Re:Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Flynn broke rules he thought were stupid. He once told me about a period he spent assigned to a C.I.A. station in Iraq, when he would sometimes sneak out of the compound without the “insane” required approval from C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia. He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden. There was also the time he gave classified information to nato allies without approval, an incident which prompted an investigation, and a warning from superiors. During his stint as Mullen’s intelligence chief, Flynn would often write “This is bullshit!” in the margins of classified papers he was obliged to pass on to his boss, someone who saw these papers told me.

      So this is information the reporter collected from sources which include Flynn himself.

      In this quote, replace "Flynn" with "Jack Bauer" or "Carrie Mathison" and tell me it truly sounds like incompetence.

      Mavericks and people who thrive in large, heavily hierarchical organizations without losing their free will are awesome. I mean, maybe this Flynn guy is some kind of idiot but that's not something that is clearly established in that article. If anything he sounds like someone I would have loved to work with.

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    10. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even more strict than that. In order to be spared, a country must be part of "the House of Capitalism" (Dar al-money), which is defined by 3 rules:

      1. Capitalists must be able to enjoy peace and security with and within this country.

      2. The country should be ruled by a capitalist government

      3. It has common frontiers with some Capitalistic countries.

      Consider the banana republics of the past, I can see why there are those in the US are so afraid of another group pushing the same sort of bullshit-at-the-end-of-a-gun that in more realistic ways was set to destroy the world. Hell, one could argue the cult of consumption is destroying the world with global warming, especially with those who willfully disregard that it's happening to their own short-term benefit. Of course the major difference is that 9/11 doesn't hold a candle to the sort of military engagements and resources the US will commit towards its own ends. In comparison, the efforts of the whole Islamic sphere is equivalent to a circle-jerk fantasy of "what it would be like".

      It's this last point that is most disturbing to me. There are violent groups around the world--some state sponsored, some religious, and some purely nationalistic--who seek to convert the world by force and/or threat of force. No doubt on that scale Islamic terrorists are a weightier group than radical Buddhists or radical Kurds. Yet the forces the US uses and the fear mongering spread are the reaction of a person who freaks out because they see a wasp floating around their front patio. They're so obsessed by it possibly killing them without even knowing if they're allergic and so willing to firebomb their own yard in a quest to be safe that it's frightening absurd to be aware of how many people will die in the process.

      So, the question isn't if we should be concerned or should monitor known international terrorist groups, regardless of their "religion". But to turn it around and paint all Muslims as terrorists or to be feared as rational is patently absurd Why is it so hard to understand that just because a religion or an interpretation of it in theory requires a violent act doesn't mean all followers actually follow through? This speaks more about bigotry. Otherwise, we'd round up all Abraham followers because their religion demand vigilante stoning of adulterers (among other things); I don't think most people in the US are keen on that.

    11. Re:Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if you are a trumpkin or sane and archly ironic. Poe's law strikes again.

    12. Re: Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Why is it so hard to understand that just because a religion or an interpretation of it in theory requires a violent act doesn't mean all followers actually follow through? This speaks more about bigotry.

      What speaks more about bigotry is how liberals will get their panties in a bunch when someone mentions jihadist mass murderers, as if acknowledging the problem is the same as not making the difference between "normal muslims" and radicals.

      Here's real numbers for you. Around the world, there are roughly 75 million muslims that condone and/or support terrorist activities. It's a small percentage (there's around 1.5 billion muslims total) but there's no other religion with such a massive following of fanatics.

      http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/...

      Now if you want to make your mission in life to defend the honor of the remaining 1.425 billion (that nobody except for their own lunatic fringe is putting on trial by the way), go for it. Maybe if someone you care about happens to be in a stadium or supermarket when "freedom fighters" show up with bomb vests and AK-47 your perspective will change. One thing is for sure, if that happens, it's not a Bible or a Torah that those "freedom fighters" will carry with them.

      But it's ok, coward. Go on and make me (or anyone who doesn't embrace the politically correct bullshit) the bad person while ISIS is out there burning, raping, torturing and killing people. I'm not a real threat and I don't have bombs so it's easier to focus your anger on people like me while safely draping yourself in the cloth of the self-righteous.

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      lucm, indeed.
    13. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how many of you US experts on Islam there are on the Internet, with all of your deep knowledge about a large fraction of the Earth's population. Most of you seem to be far more informed than the typical Muslim, who mostly just wants to get on with their life and, bizarrely isn't any more of a murder-drone than your average American. I was going to say that they weren't murder-drones at all, but let's face it, your average human being is simply a murderous monster in the right situation. I can't even begin to describe the number of times that I've heard people in the US go on about nuking the Middle East to glass, for example. Generally, if you press them on it they'll roll it back and say it was just a joke, but it's fairly obvious that, in the right circumstances, that murderous hate is there, waiting to be realized.

    14. Re:Not fake news at all. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      In this quote, replace "Flynn" with "Jack Bauer" or "Carrie Mathison" and tell me it truly sounds like incompetence.

      Those are fictional characters and this is real life. The real life consequences of his actions may have resulted in real damage to national security.

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    15. Re:Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In this quote, replace "Flynn" with "Jack Bauer" or "Carrie Mathison" and tell me it truly sounds like incompetence.

      Those are _fictional_ characters. You know "fiction"? Where contrived situations and railroad plots let the viewers play out juvenile power fantasies? I mean, I like an action movie/show as much as the next person, but I also realize when I'm watching them that I'm suspending disbelief just as much as when I'm watching a fantasy movie/show like _The Lord of the Rings_ or _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_. In the real world, without the contrived plot, and the superhuman powers (let's face it, pretty much all action heroes like Jack Bauer have superhuman powers such as super strength, speed, reflexes, fighting ability, deductive powers, damage resistance, ability to curve bullets around themselves so that they don't get killed by bullets, ability to torture people and actually get useful information, etc.) action heroes are just incompetent assholes who get people killed. Just picture all those action hero cops who turn in their badges to go after the bad guy, but, in the real world, they _don't_ get there in the nick of time and save the day heroically.

      Making real world decisions based on fictional characters is crazy. The really sad thing is that people like you who can't tell fantasy from reality are probably a large part of why Trump is President elect right now. Too many people believed that he actually is his fictional character from TV.

    16. Re: Not fake news at all. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      White nationalist nut jobs in America and Europe probably approach 75 million when you combine active members and support. They don't have much of a religious bent to them but that's not really comforting to the rest of us.

      The people who are fighting ISIS are mostly Muslim. It's obvious that you understand the nuances, so you should be able to understand that we need to work with those Muslims in order to defeat ISIS, that the "Islamic" part of ISIS is ISIS propaganda aimed at increasing their popularity and undermining their enemies, those who deliberately emphasize that propaganda are deliberately helping ISIS.

    17. Re: Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      White nationalist nut jobs in America and Europe probably approach 75 million when you combine active members and support. They don't have much of a religious bent to them but that's not really comforting to the rest of us.

      I don't think people understand large scale numbers. Here's the figure for white supremacy in the USA:

      Levin estimated fewer than 50,000 people are members of white supremacist groups, but he says their influence is growing with a more sophisticated approach

      http://www.civilrights.org/pub...

      Use whatever semantics or math you want, there's just no way you can get to 75 million people that condone violence made by white supremacy group. It's just not the case. Find another ideology or group if you want to make the 75 million pro-terrorist muslims look like something else than a massive number of fanatics.

      those who deliberately emphasize that propaganda are deliberately helping ISIS.

      I don't follow your logic. When someone like me says that ISIS is mass murderers, or that 75 millions muslims out of 1.5 billions endorse and support violence as a way to promote their religious view, I'm not involved in propaganda, and I'm not "confusing" those 75 million fanatics with the 1.425 billion non-fanatics.

      They DO exist, and there's shitloads more of them than there are extremists of other religions or ideologies, and refusing to see that on account of some politically correct bullshit is madness. There comes a point where trying that hard not to be a bigot makes you a fool.

      This all reminds me of that Rotherham situation where a pakistani pedophile ring was left alone for years because the cops didn't want to look racist by investigating them.

      Members of the British-Pakistani Muslim community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The same shit happened at Rochdale too:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Same shit: white people wanting so badly to not be racists that they let criminals abuse children for years.

      So the lesson here is simple: stop being offended on behalf of muslims when someone mentions that a small percentage of them are a bunch of fanatics. You're helping nobody, including the muslims. If you have energy to spend, defend the people who are murdered or the girls who are passed around as sex slaves in the ISIS Caliphate.

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    18. Re: Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how many of you US experts on Islam there are on the Internet, with all of your deep knowledge about a large fraction of the Earth's population.

      Dude, that's on wikipedia and this "house of islam" ideology has been abundantly communicated in multiple declarations by various muslim radical groups. If your strategy is to accuse people of making shit up, provide facts and sources to support your view, right now you're just being a bigot.

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    19. Re:Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      In this quote, replace "Flynn" with "Jack Bauer" or "Carrie Mathison" and tell me it truly sounds like incompetence.

      Those are fictional characters and this is real life. The real life consequences of his actions may have resulted in real damage to national security.

      You don't even know what happened. You don't know if that rogue internet connection was connected to his workstation or if he just wanted to use his personal iPad at work.There's no information there to show anything but a guy that doesn't behave like a mindless robot who follows orders blindly.

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    20. Re:Not fake news at all. by lucm · · Score: 1

      In this quote, replace "Flynn" with "Jack Bauer" or "Carrie Mathison" and tell me it truly sounds like incompetence.

      Those are _fictional_ characters. You know "fiction"? Where contrived situations and railroad plots let the viewers play out juvenile power fantasies? I mean, I like an action movie/show as much as the next person, but I also realize when I'm watching them that I'm suspending disbelief just as much as when I'm watching a fantasy movie/show like _The Lord of the Rings_ or _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_. In the real world, without the contrived plot, and the superhuman powers (let's face it, pretty much all action heroes like Jack Bauer have superhuman powers such as super strength, speed, reflexes, fighting ability, deductive powers, damage resistance, ability to curve bullets around themselves so that they don't get killed by bullets, ability to torture people and actually get useful information, etc.) action heroes are just incompetent assholes who get people killed. Just picture all those action hero cops who turn in their badges to go after the bad guy, but, in the real world, they _don't_ get there in the nick of time and save the day heroically.

      Making real world decisions based on fictional characters is crazy. The really sad thing is that people like you who can't tell fantasy from reality are probably a large part of why Trump is President elect right now. Too many people believed that he actually is his fictional character from TV.

      Ah man, I'm getting tired of aspies.

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    21. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What speaks more about bigotry is how liberals will get their panties in a bunch when someone mentions jihadist mass murderers, as if acknowledging the problem is the same as not making the difference between "normal muslims" and radicals.

      If I call all liberals baby killers. If I call all conservative abortion clinic bombers. If I call Americans mass murderers. If I don't make a distinction between Islamic jihadists and Muslims in general. Yep, I do get my "liberal" "panties" (even though I'm neither liberal nor female) in a bunch when we do not make a distinction because the mentality of hating a whole group for some a small minority is involved in without any consideration of trying to deal with the actual violent people misses the point.

      Here's real numbers for you. Around the world, there are roughly 75 million muslims that condone and/or support terrorist activities. It's a small percentage (there's around 1.5 billion muslims total) but there's no other religion with such a massive following of fanatics.

      Where'd you get that number from the link you provide? Is it extrapolation from the populations and their support of suicide bombing? Because Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq can be used to argue ~108 million of eligible American voters (a larger actual number if you count non-voters) supported the killing of thousands of civilians over obviously false evidence--THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE INSPECTOR; Blix Says He Saw Nothing to Prompt a War spells it out. Why the support? Blind support of nationalism over some vague claim of an existential threat from a dictator--someone who honestly is more of a threat that your 75 million number as the actual forces at their disposal are a lot less. Because they're Muslim and lead by a mad man--both being true but his support being driven politically and his actual acts unlike to hurt anyone outside the Middle East of which the US had allies but wouldn't be directly harmed.

      Now if you want to make your mission in life to defend the honor of the remaining 1.425 billion (that nobody except for their own lunatic fringe is putting on trial by the way), go for it. Maybe if someone you care about happens to be in a stadium or supermarket when "freedom fighters" show up with bomb vests and AK-47 your perspective will change. One thing is for sure, if that happens, it's not a Bible or a Torah that those "freedom fighters" will carry with them.

      I defend the honor of any group that is demonized to the point that people will actively kill them for being members of the broader group. I mean, for fuck sake: "someone you care about happens to be in a stadium or supermarket when "freedom fighters" show up with bomb vests and AK-47 your perspective will change"? Yea, that happens ALL the fucking time. Oh, right: "it's not a Bible or a Torah that those "freedom fighters" will carry with them" is almost certainly true because consistently most mass murderers in the US are home-grown lunatics who apparently simply hate people without any religious, national, political, etc association. It's almost as if the vast majority of Muslims are non-violent, those who support violence tend to NOT live in the US (because they hate the US), and even then a small minority of those that support violence actually engage in it.

      But it's ok, coward. Go on and make me (or anyone who doesn't embrace the politically correct bullshit) the bad person while ISIS is out there burning, raping, torturing and killing people. I'm not a real threat and I don't have bombs so it's easier to focus your anger on people like me while safely draping yourself in the cloth of the self-righteous.

    22. Re:Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Michael Flynn was one of the guys who was arguing early on against arming jihadist groups in Syria. You can hate him for his views, but he's still one of the good ones.

    23. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Levin estimated fewer than 50,000 people are members of white supremacist groups

      Membership in the KKK is not equivalent to being generally supportive of white supremacy.
      And yet you are equating muslims who hold positive views towards terrorism as the equivalent. And none of that takes into account all of the other factors, like living in 3rd world countries where there is sectarian violence that is mostly about resource competition and religion is just the uniform the terrorist wear, not the motivation.

      Lets look at like to like comparisons. Gallup explicitly compared support among different religious groups for violence directed at individuals. The results don't fit your narrative:

      When is it justified for an individual or a small group of person to target and kill civilians?
      Muslims 89% never
      Protestants 71% never
      Catholics 71% never
      Jews 75% never
      Mormons 79% never
      Nonreligious 76% never

    24. Re: Not fake news at all. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      ... isn't any more of a murder-drone than your average American.

      That is axiomatically untrue, both in percentage and raw numbers.

    25. Re: Not fake news at all. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Why is it so hard to understand that just because a religion or an interpretation of it in theory requires a violent act doesn't mean all followers actually follow through?

      Straw, AC, you ended your screed with straw. Everyone knows full well not all Muslims are violent. But everyone, you included, knows that a far larger percentage are willing to instigate violence against other religions.

    26. Re: Not fake news at all. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Having watched the news these last two weeks, you'd be better off keeping you eye out for the white socialist nut jobs instead.

    27. Re: Not fake news at all. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Membership in the KKK is not equivalent to being generally supportive of white supremacy.

      So one can visualize properly membership in the KKK is estimated at 5-8 thousand.

    28. Re: Not fake news at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows full well not all Muslims are violent.

      Funny. Because that's also a strawman. The original argument was 80% of Muslims want to covert or kill others. Then a following post said it was "more strict" than that. Yet the same person later quotes only ~5% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism. And the site he links to is a survey of heavily Muslim countries. So, even with the most bias spin possible, it turns into a vast minority of Muslims support terrorism and most are outside of Western countries.

      So, any conflation of "Muslims" to "Muslim countries" is pretty bogus. And certainly conflating jihadists and Muslim is bogus as well. Even being even handed about it, which I always try to be, the recognition that Islam as a religion has a lot more followers, by both percentage and raw numbers, who want to exterminate other religious groups doesn't magically make me reconsider the position that non-religious groups have engaged in equal or worse activities: Nazis exterminating Jews, Communists exterminating millions, the Cold War resulting in the proxy death of hundreds of thousands on both sides, etc. If I saw some more even handedness and saw a senseless death as equal to another senseless death without "Capitalism" or "Democracy" or "Islam" somehow being an acceptable justification, I'd feel a lot different on trying to paint whole groups as evil, blood-thirsty murderers--unless, you know, they are.

      Keep on playing that violin, though, that cries out for someone who wants to say "5% of Muslims" instead of "Muslims" or who notes that US Warhawks do more in act than a lot more in actual killing than most of those Muslim terrorist supporters who merely wish and pray for killings. I say this even though I sadly have to rely upon the US, as horribly a track record as they have, they're still the best defense we have against groups like ISIS.

      PS - Why is it so hard for people to say "ISIS and groups like ISIS" instead of "Muslims". Hell, even "the small minority of Muslims" would be a much more apt description. It'd be more accurate to say the vast majority of Americans voted and support Trump than to simply say "Muslims". It's such a ridiculous misrepresentation.

    29. Re: Not fake news at all. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      There are at least 62 Million in the US who voted for banning all Muslims, possibly putting them into camps, killing the families of terrorists, and torturing prisoners.

      You ever been to Dallas? You could find a million who condone or support right wing terrorism within shooting range of a Carcano Carbine.

      If you say 75 million Muslims condone or support terrorism, fine. The number makes sense to me. Don't use that fact to gin up hatred in the US against Muslims, and try turn this war into a war between Americans and Muslims. A racist/bigoted backlash from America would be far worse than anything ISIS could ever hope to do on it's own. Such a backlash is building, and is being stoked by Trump and friends. Stopping them is just as important as stopping ISIS.

      Far more than 75 million Muslims oppose and condemn terrorism. To turn these people in to enemies for political gain, or just because you hate political correctness, is murderously insane.

  10. This won't stop the complains about the maid.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that Hillary allowed into her SCIF room. Since she was an Original Classification Authority (OCA), she had every right to appoint others that could see classified materials including the FAXes she picked-up. Republicans are complaining about nothing again.

  11. For....reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet $100 that it was for porn. Seriously, government work is often so boring people have no choice but to sidestep security/monitoring so they can jerk off to relieve the boredom.

    1. Re:For....reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would explain his petty cash voucher for a Fleshlight.

    2. Re: For....reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link?

  12. Re: This won't stop the complains about the maid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. By definition she couldn't have done anything wrong wrt classified materials.

  13. How? by PPH · · Score: 1

    I doubt it was a wired network. I suspect that an unauthorized hardware line would be very difficult to install unnoticed. Probably wireless Internet over a cellular network. Which raises the question: How does someone operate a cellular phone/modem/router in a SCIF without getting caught by periodic RF scans?

    Politics aside: I'm going to call bullshit on this until someone has a reasonable idea as to how it was done.

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    1. Re:How? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I would guess it is more likely that he thought he had his own private DSL from the telco, but it was just provided from DoD infrastructure. They might have allowed him some leeway (there needs to be a way to deal with corner conditions in any organization), but they would be stupid to do it with a heavy hand.

      As for the intelligence leaks... I assume there is more to the story on that one.

    2. Re:How? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I doubt it was a wired network. I suspect that an unauthorized hardware line would be very difficult to install unnoticed. Probably wireless Internet over a cellular network. Which raises the question: How does someone operate a cellular phone/modem/router in a SCIF without getting caught by periodic RF scans?

      Politics aside: I'm going to call bullshit on this until someone has a reasonable idea as to how it was done.

      Or maybe vpn proxy services magically work from within the super secure monitored networks. If he had to go to extraordinary lengths to make it work, you might reasonably be suspicious as to what was so important to keep from the prying eyes of the US government. I hear being chums with Russia is the new thing in incoming executive branch leadership.

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    3. Re:How? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      How does someone operate a cellular phone/modem/router in a SCIF without getting caught by periodic RF scans?

      By shouting at the "little people" who turn up to complain about him violating the rules I suspect. I've heard about similar things and an MP getting transferred and the case dropped when he uncovered something like this.

    4. Re:How? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      In the past running a VPN from within the NIPR to the open internet was definitely possible. I know because I saw people get busted for it when I was in the military. In every case I knew of it was done to get around the web filters to peruse gaming forums, play games, or get to some other entertainment site. SCIF's commonly have NIPR terminals for every desk as well as terminals for air gaped networks spread around. So I can easily see how someone of a sufficiently high rank in an organization might get away with having an extra terminal setup with a VPN connection to the open internet. Sure regular peons and mid level management might get fired or prosecuted over such things, but top level management is frequently able to get away with anything but murder.

  14. GENERALS.... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Do exactly what their rank can handle.

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  15. It's Begun by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Build the fence! Drain the pond! Lock her in a room and complement her!

  16. Nobody noticed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? He had a non-DoD internet connection installed in his office at The Pentagon, and nobody noticed.

    What happened? Some guy in a Comcast van showed up to do the install and security just waved them on thru to do whatever they felt like?

    1. Re:Nobody noticed... by skids · · Score: 1

      Details about this conjecture would be interesting to hear, indeed. I wonder how they handle cable TV feeds there.

    2. Re:Nobody noticed... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously? He had a non-DoD internet connection installed in his office at The Pentagon, and nobody noticed.

      What happened? Some guy in a Comcast van showed up to do the install and security just waved them on thru to do whatever they felt like?

      No chance. The comcast guy would install the connection point on the far side of the building from his office and he'd have to buy an extra long ethernet cable and string it through doors or over the roof.

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    3. Re:Nobody noticed... by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Well, for all we know it was noticed or it might even have been a DoD connection and no one ever told him.

  17. Hypocrisy- Jesus taught me to get used to it by rectalfeeding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Democrats have not only recently rediscovered the virtues of limit government, but also the virtues of following rules?

    There are some serious machiavellian games afoot to prevent people from understanding how powerful technology is. The situation is this- Neither this instance (as far as I can tell from the summary), nor Hillary Clinton's home email server were things that surprised anyone with any technical proficiency. The powers that be understand better than the masses just how powerful each and every mobile phone and personal computer are along with the internet. Hillary blew it I think when it was discovered that amongst the thousands of emails she was reluctant to release for records keeping purposes, were thousands related to her work that were legally required to be archived by the state, and not withheld. If she had done a more perfect job of seperating the two sets, she wouldn't have been as damaged by the issue. This case however (again, just from the summary) doesn't appear to have any justifiable corner case for the existence of this non-organizational IT subversion. However just as Trump gets away with 'post-truth' flip-flops and such, I don't see his support base as being terribly bothered by this style breach of national IT security by 'one of their own'. Hypocrisy- Jesus taught me to get used to it.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy- Jesus taught me to get used to it by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Hillary established a precedent that high-placed officials do not have to follow any rules. Does not prosecuting her still sound like a marvellous idea now?

    2. Re:Hypocrisy- Jesus taught me to get used to it by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

      Hillary established a precedent that high-placed officials do not have to follow any rules. Does not prosecuting her still sound like a marvellous idea now?

      Not prosecuting her never sounded like a marvellous idea to me, but then again I was never privy to all the details, classified and otherwise of the case. However were she prosecuted, it sure sounds like they would have had to also prosecute Colin Powell, and the secret service agents that were familiar with the existence of the home email server. I never really expected to see that, though it would have been interesting to watch. As far as those sorts of precedents go, I would only direct your attention to the multitude of controversies around the W administration. From funds diverted from an Afghanistan war that congress knew about and was involved with, to the early stages of an Iraq war that congress was in the dark about, to waterboarding and torture and 'collateral murder'. Tens of thousands of uncounted civilian casualties in the aforementioned wars until Manning and Assange revealed the secret counts kept from the public. Sure, lets talk about precedents and presidents a bit more. Obama sure did seem to do pretty well with the economy on fire he inherited from W/Cheney.

  18. This isn't even the first Republican by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those paying attention knew that Colin Powell had done something similar long ago. I explained that in comments way back here with many sources I don't want to retype. So in that vein, if Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn really did this, then by all means, drop the hammer on him, Hillary, and Powell in accordance with the rules.

    For as many people who worry about Russian hackers, we should really hammer the self-important luddites who insist on compromising our government's opsec.

    And no, I won't excuse this kind of nonsense from anyone. I don't care what team he's on, he should play be the rules, and you can see above that I said the same damned thing about Powell weeks ago. I do wonder, though--does anyone know if they bothered to report on the doc showing Colin Powell doing this?

    1. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      If you prosecute everyone who breaks the rules, they'll get more creative at writing loopholes into their rules for them to wiggle through.

      Rules and policies are for the masses, when you rise to a certain level, you're at the level of the rule makers. Should they follow their own rules? Absolutely. Will they? Never. Force them to and they'll just re-write the rules to make it easier to re-write the rules as needed.

    2. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      So, Trump administration.

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    3. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to agree. It seems like a simple fucking thing to do, but these people don't need to follow the rules. They're better than you and I.

    4. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those paying attention knew that Colin Powell had done something similar long ago. I explained that in comments way back here with many sources I don't want to retype. So in that vein, if Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn really did this, then by all means, drop the hammer on him, Hillary, and Powell in accordance with the rules.

      For as many people who worry about Russian hackers, we should really hammer the self-important luddites who insist on compromising our government's opsec.

      And no, I won't excuse this kind of nonsense from anyone. I don't care what team he's on, he should play be the rules, and you can see above that I said the same damned thing about Powell weeks ago. I do wonder, though--does anyone know if they bothered to report on the doc showing Colin Powell doing this?

      The problem is Powell is a Republican and that is not newsworthy unless you work for the liberal media. Republicans only tell the truth or acknowledge it if it makes a Democrat look bad, if it is a case of them doing what they are accusing the other side of doing, then it is not a real thing.

      And yes Colin Powell had a private email server just like Hillary did, but Colin Powell did not have a congress full of Republicans who have had a hard dick and blue, swollen burning balls to pin something (anything really no matter how small) on someone with the last name Clinton.

      Welcome to the walking double standard that will be the Trump administration. Hope to god we survive the next four years.

    5. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by lxs · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself Anon.
      I'm amazing.

    6. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by khallow · · Score: 1

      And yes Colin Powell had a private email server just like Hillary did

      No, he didn't. Nor did he use his email account for propagating classified information. If the news report is accurate, then Flynn did commit a serious breach.

    7. Re: This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... Hillary Clinton State Department administration.

      Trump hasn't taken office yet.

      Do try to keep up, dipshit.

    8. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      See, what hasn't come out yet is the massive tax evasion and fraud of Trump's friends/allies in business, all of which will get quietly pardoned next year... whether by official act, or simple stop-orders on their audits.

    9. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colin Powell had done something 'similar'? There is a striking difference in that Colin Powell used an email service (AOL) and not a server in his basement. Given they were at some of the forefront of the spam wars (See Cyberpromotions vs AOL), I"m sure it had much better security and protection than Hillary's home-brew with a couple of staff to take care of it. There are backups, retention rules for SOX complaince, and a much better ability to retain/subpoena communications rather than "My staff will look at it and give you what we think is relevant" before wiping the server. Colin Powell, his staff, his office were never in a position to wipe his server - since at no time did he have control of the software or hardware.

    10. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by srmalloy · · Score: 2

      If you prosecute everyone who breaks the rules, they'll get more creative at writing loopholes into their rules for them to wiggle through.

      It's not necessary to prosecute them; they've been discovered to have violated the provisions of their signed statement agreeing to the provisions regarding electronic security. Revoke their clearances. At which point they're no longer eligible for any government post that requires a security clearance... or any position with a civilian government contractor that requires a security clearance.

    11. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

      I do wonder, though--does anyone know if they bothered to report on the doc showing Colin Powell doing this?

      I seem to recall the FBI releasing evidence from an investigation that included Colin Powel being directly quoted in statements telling Clinton "here's how I got away with it".

      But that was a crazy election, I can almost understand how you might have missed that. Almost. Troll.

    12. Re: This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive like a few million dollars? Or like Hillary Clinton level ??

    13. Re: This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overthrow the government of Libya, let your colleagues die, plan to profit from it, try to hide it when it doesn't work - no it wasn't anything to be concerned about

    14. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you prosecute everyone who breaks the rules, they'll get more creative at writing loopholes into their rules for them to wiggle through.

      Fine with me. At least then, we may one day get a law which explicitly states "governmental officials are exempt from following national security guidelines".

    15. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Revoke their clearances. At which point they're no longer eligible for any government post that requires a security clearance... or any position with a civilian government contractor that requires a security clearance.

      And provoke a constitutional crisis if the person won't resign and their appointer won't fire them. There's language in the Constitution describing the heads of departments of the executive branch, the people currently titled "Secretary", and it gives them sweeping authority to act on behalf of the president. But nowhere in it is a security clearance required, and its lack is no impediment to doing the job (legally).

      Our current system automatically grants clearance to members of all three branches of the federal government who require classified information to do their constitutionally designated jobs, even if they would not have otherwise been granted a clearance. It was said repeatedly that no one would have given Bill Clinton a clearance if they didn't have to. But they had to. There is currently no option to withdraw a clearance from a President or a Cabinet official or a Congressman on a security committee. The US Constitution doesn't leave any wiggle room there. If you are elected to the position or appointed and confirmed to the position, you have the explicit constitutional authority to do the job, regardless of what the spooks think of you.

      Importantly, there is no Constitutional description of a classification system, or classified information in general. US classified information was created by executive order, and its sole constitutional justification is contained wholly within the constitutionally granted authority of the Office of the President.

    16. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      >regardless of what the spooks think of you.

      And, I think that is key - the spooks need accountability, more than they've got, but definitely more than none - none leads to the fictionalized version of the KGB. (I'm sure the actual KGB has accountability to whatever their funding source is.)

    17. Re:This isn't even the first Republican by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Colin Powell owned AOL? That is one hell of a private email server.

      (number 3 here: http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/... )

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  19. Really? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A secret network in the Pentagon? And no one would notice its existence, much less its installation? This one doesn't pass the laugh test.

    1. Re:Really? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Blame Flynn then - if he's bullshitting about something so important it's not a good look either and is setting an incredibly bad example.
      Of course it's far worse if he actually did do what he said.

  20. Trump picks advisor willing to call rules stupid by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems Trumps new advisor is willing to call out stupid rules and even refuse to follow them (no idea if these were laws or internal policy). He seems to have done this stuff during the presidencies of Bush and Obama, and eventually got fired but not criminally prosecuted. I'm not familiar enough with the rules he broke to know whether they are laws, nor whether they are stupid. But he does seem like a good match for Trump.

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    Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
  21. trigger: squirrelly quotes by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

    Here's the relevant parts of the summary.

    According to ... according to ... apparently ... doesn't provide a clear picture as to why... It's likely ... or possibly ... If ... It's also possible ...

    Everything else in the summary is conjecture.

    Good stuff. I'd only try to cast a little more light toward the squirrelly quotes around "forbidden". That was when I knew this must be top quality journalism (sarcasm).

  22. Crooked Hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yaaa lets reopen that conversation. So an insecure net line into the pentagon what could go WRONG there? Seems like the Donald is counting lip prints on his ass for staff qualifications. Now lets see if Romney will kiss and makeup or tell Trump to fuck off, I'm betting on the kiss.

  23. And Idiotrump hired him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our new idiot in chief just hired this jerk. So will the right wing protest like madmen? One set of rules for the left and no rules at all for the right wing. With little liberty and no justice for all.

  24. He had to communicate with his Russian handlers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or isn't it obvious by now?

  25. Re: This won't stop the complains about the maid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not against the rules to have an assistant check your email or pickup faxes.

  26. Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's a pro-Russian General who ignores the advice of his intelligence people. He's visited Russia repeatedly, sometimes on official duty (e.g. give intelligence briefings), other times not. He was a paid speaker for RT, and insists there's nothing wrong with that.

    He has this weird view on Iran, which is a Russia's allied puppet in the region. Iran is totally evil, and yet Russia is good, and proposes choices which would drive Iran further towards Russia.

    He once suggested giving access to 5 eyes surveillance to Russia to help fight the threat of Islamic extremism. At the time he was pushing a book, but he's since talked up the Russian alliance as means of tackling muslim extremism since, even after being appointed by Trump:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/08/15/trump-adviser-michael-t-flynn-on-his-dinner-with-putin-and-why-russia-today-is-just-like-cnn/

    And wants to undermine NATO:

    "FLYNN: It’s like NATO. Why do three-quarters of NATO [countries] get away with not paying anything? They have to pay their bills. We’ve done a lot, for the better part of half a century, for these countries."

    None of them pay *nothing*, they pay their NATO funding, quite a few have low defense spending which is presumably what he's complaining about in a 'Fox News' sort of hyperbole way, e.g. Germany only spends 1.2% of GDP on defense, France 1.8% of GDP.

    1. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by dbIII · · Score: 1

      He has this weird view on Iran, which is a Russia's allied puppet in the region

      Now that is an incredibly weird view on Iran, that country that executed all the communists they could find and anyone connected to Russia they could find just after the revolution. It has been tense ever since despite the fall of the USSR.

    2. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by ghoul · · Score: 1

      If you are going historical why not go to UK and Russia invading Iran during WW2(supposedly to keep Iranian oil out of Nazi hands though the nearest German territory was 1000s of miles away). Or even earlier lets talk about Iranian-Greek relations because Alexander. Or something more recent all the help Iran gave to the US forces going into Afghanistan after their common enemy Al Qaeda or the bad relations between Iraq and Iran though now they are besties. Nations change alliances as needed per their national interest. Right now Iran's national interest is fighting Sunni extremism and reducing Saudi influence in the Muslim world. Russia is a good ally in that fight and so is the US (as long as it can break out of the Saudi camp)

      --
      **Life is too short to be serious**
    3. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by dbIII · · Score: 1

      If you are going historical

      The people involved with that in Iran are not only still alive but still in charge (despite advanced age).
      Consider that before "correcting" something that was not wrong in the first place.

    4. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Mossadegh died in 1967. I imagine all the CIA/MI6 folks who overthrew him are now safely beyond accountability.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    5. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you forget that Russia also got rid of communism?

      You might be stuck in the same old cold war mindset but Russia has evolved.
      They are on the top of the propaganda war now and Putin has found a way to cater to the alt-right.

    6. Re:Flynn is paid speaker for Russia Today by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Roleplaying the "mindless" bit I see and pretending I was not referring to the revolution against the Shah.
      To get some perspective imagine if Jimmy Carter or a still alive but demented Ronald Reagan was still running the USA today.

  27. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by unixisc · · Score: 1, Troll

    They still can't get over that Trump has won. I love it! Cry babies gonna cry.

    /. is an international safe space for pro-Hilary crybabies, so please keep your micro-aggression out of here, or at least send trigger warnings before you post such things

  28. Sounds fine to me by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Clinton didn't go to jail for insecure email sending top secret material?

    Then I don't know why I should care anyone was using insecure internet at the pentagon.

    Either you have laws or you don't When you say that you laws don't apply then why should anyone care when they are broken by anyone else?

    If you send Clinton to jail, then I can start caring about what someone does wth an insecure internet connection at the pentagon, which I would say is treason if we are actually starting to enforce laws.

    Until Clinton goes to jail, I see no reason for anyone to treat the law with any respect whatsoever.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Sounds fine to me by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      Clinton didn't go to jail for insecure email sending top secret material?

      Then I don't know why I should care anyone was using insecure internet at the pentagon.

      Either you have laws or you don't When you say that you laws don't apply then why should anyone care when they are broken by anyone else?

      If you send Clinton to jail, then I can start caring about what someone does wth an insecure internet connection at the pentagon, which I would say is treason if we are actually starting to enforce laws.

      Until Clinton goes to jail, I see no reason for anyone to treat the law with any respect whatsoever.

      Whatever happened to the Constitution specifying "innocent until proven guilty"?

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    2. Re:Sounds fine to me by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Whatever happened to the Constitution specifying "innocent until proven guilty"?

      Why would someone who wants any action that annoys a man that they wish could act as a King and thus declared treason give a shit about the Constitution? Look at his other posts. Bring back King George all the way.

    3. Re:Sounds fine to me by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      And then there's gobshyttes like you, who refuse to acknowledge the difference between "breaking the law" by speeding a few K over the limit and "breaking the law" by doing 130K through a school zone while blind drunk in a car with bad brakes.

      --
      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  29. To the contrary by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Just how hypocritical/stupid do you have to be to nominate someone who blatantly compromised security at the DOD after the Republican House spent years hounding Hillary Clinton about email security as the Secretary of State?

    It's actually quite clever to nominate someone who would not have passed otherwise when you can just use Hillary's actions for cover.

    Just like when Trump signs off on some executive orders you really despise, well perhaps you should have brought up that problem during Obama. No? Guess you threw away any right to complain then.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:To the contrary by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's actually quite clever to nominate someone who would not have passed otherwise when you can just use Hillary's actions for cover.

      Only if you lock them up.
      No cleverness here, just the good old fashioned "born to rule" bullshit.

  30. I'm out by friedmud · · Score: 4, Informative

    I didn't vote for Trump... but I'm tired of seeing this drivel on Slashdot.

    I've been here a LONG time (~15 years). I've seen tons of _crap_ come through this site in that time... but this stupid political stuff takes the absolute cake.

    This is supposed to be a damn technology site! I come here to get away from the normal news cycle and talk about technology with others who are interested in it.

    I hate to give it up... but I'm out for now. I'm sure I'll check back in a few months... but maybe not.

    Bye guys, it's been fun (mostly).

    (Cue people telling me I won't be missed... which I won't be)

    1. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, been a long time coming, as mostly anon but that's my choice. This site continues its downward spiral into spin territory it is burdensome. Where's the tech? Science? Math? ... no, just fuckin politicrap. Who. The. Fuck. Cares?!

    2. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Cue people telling me I won't be missed... which I won't be)

      Hey Fried, I'm glad you furtively checked back, even though you said you wouldn't.

      Because you really, really, won't be missed.

    3. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed and when it is about tech the level of ignorance is staggering. This kids, they grew up with everything at their fingertips and how have they used that vast bank of knowledge?

    4. Re:I'm out by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could, you know, just skip the stories that don't interest you? That's worked for me since the Chips&Dips era, old-timer.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    5. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This is supposed to be a damn technology site!

      Where does it say that? I see "News for nerds, stuff that matters.

    6. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I with you brother. I havn't come to this site and awhile. I have returned because I'm tired of political drivel.
      What do I find here? More political drivel.

    7. Re:I'm out by kackle · · Score: 1

      You're right; however, perhaps such yammering eventually taints the brand: More may sign-up to debate the elected du jour, versus "I worked in this technical field X for Y years and here's what I've seen..." Such comments comprise most of the reason I visit - it's a group of relatable nerds and I guess I've always made assumptions about their altruistic/truth-seeking motives. Now I catch myself looking at the poster's user ID # as some sort of trust/experience-filtering (silly, I know).

      Along those lines and in response to an AC's comment, "News for nerds, stuff that matters" doesn't mean AND 'stuff that matters'; that wouldn't make any sense. Why not then say "We post about everything that matters!"? I always saw it as a tongue-in-cheek reference to nerdy things, things that matter to only us, though we often think they should matter to non-nerds too. That's the cheeky part: nerdy news is all that really matters (to us).

    8. Re:I'm out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a lot of technologists feel responsible for the technology we created being used by warring civilizations and oppressive entities... we are partly responsible and this is technology news. i am sorry you are depressed sir. i dont know you but i feel the same way, but see this political stuff as serious information that affects our networks. BTW my username is djfuq - i only post anon to protect myself because my rights have seriously been violated by the network in ways it would be dangerous for me to expose.... I have posted 3 comments this far in this thread, and that is a large part of the totally i have allowed myself to post. I urge you to stay involved and help find a fix for these issues... even if you dislike it in your life and want to just do science and engineering you cant forget that most of us do as well but we have been used and now we are responsible for this network that helped create this hell.

    9. Re:I'm out by dywolf · · Score: 1

      "unauthorized (explicitly forbidden) private internet connection at the pentagon"
      what part of that fails to classify under tech news for nerds?

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
  31. Re:This won't stop the complains about the maid... by footNipple · · Score: 1

    ...that Hillary allowed into her SCIF room. Since she was an Original Classification Authority (OCA), she had every right to appoint others that could see classified materials including the FAXes she picked-up. Republicans are complaining about nothing again.

    I think you already know this, but for the benefit of others that may be inclined to believe your statement, you could not be more incorrect in your reasoning both legally and morally.

  32. Quick reality check in an insane world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Michael Flynn, a level headed thinker that actually might make it to Trump's staff. Yes let us stop this now, for such egregious offenses as having a dial-up AOL connection, sneaking out for a drink, & sharing intel w/ our allies. Please all marines on slashdot, stand up and be heard. (yes i am an army puke but sneaking off site for a drink is a time honored tradition, getting caught is the only taboo).

  33. Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

    The 'Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL' is something that's easy to trace back, having done it so often since 9/11. It's the term 'Islamophobia'. Whenever anybody says anything against either Islam or Muslims, they are accused of being 'Islamophobes', which is the term used for anti-Muslim bigots.

    And here is what the rebuttal is. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. Like if one is scared of a butterfly or a spider, that's a phobia, since those 2 things are harmless. But if one is scared of a scorpion or a wasp, that's not a phobia. It's the same here. If one is scared of a Buddhist or Jew or Hindu or even a Christian, it would be a phobia, since none of these groups are out to destroy all other religions in favor of their own. But if one is scared of a Muslim doing this, it's legit.

    And that's not just based on one's prejudices, but rather, a combination of observing events around the world since 9/11, and then comparing them to what Islamic texts advocate. Since 9/11, there have been close to 30,000 jihadist attacks worldwide - be it the 7/7 attacks in London, the massacre of schoolkids in Beslan, the massacre last year in Paris, the attack in Nice, San Bernardino, Boston, Orlando, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Chattanooga, Israel, Mumbai, Yala (Thailand), Bali bombings, the list goes on & on & on. While the attackers in all these places came from different places of the world - be it Afghanistan, Algeria, Pakistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kuwait, as well as being Westerners recruited by al Qaeda or ISIS, one thing that was common to all of them - they were all Muslim! Some of them were born Muslims, and some of them, like Westerners such as John Walker Lindh, Adam Gadahn, Jose Padilla, Richard Reid, Steven Vikas Chand, et al were converts. But all of them shared one thing in common - a fanatical belief in Islam. While some screamed 'allahu-akbar' while committing their carnage, others did it more quietly but were later found to be Islamically motivated.

    What does one do when the evidence on this is so overwhelming? One is to review the sermons that come out of mosques anywhere, and one finds that the imams/mullahs/whatever are the ones who preach this bigotry. What's the next step? That would be to find out how do so many people, whose only job is reading and interpreting Islamic texts, from the Quran to Hadiths to Siras to Tafseers - come to the same conclusion? Solution then is to either read these works in the original - a rather cumbersome exercise - or check out various non-Muslims who've studied these things from something other than a devotional approach, and see what they say. People like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat, Bat Yeor, Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Raymond Ibrahim and so on. A combination of all this would reveal the frightening truth - that Islam indeed does endorse and advocate the destruction of all non-Islamic civilization.

    The question that then follows is: if this is indeed what Islam states and preaches, is it also what all 1.8 billion Muslims believe? B'cos it would be pretty scary if they do! That's pretty right. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know. However, Pew Research polls taken in various countries of Muslims does reveal that a high percentage of them - maybe under 50%, but still, nowhere as low as 10% - believe in a lot of things, such as honor killings. Also, Muslims have a practice known as taquiyya, which allows them to lie to anybody in defense of, or in furtherance of Islam and Islamic interests. As a result, short of genuine psychic powers, it's impossible to know which ones are genuine and which ones are Jihadists in secular clothing.

    So Michael Flynn linked to a claim that stated that Islam wants 80% of humanity enslaved or exterminated? That's pretty much accurate - read

    1. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You sure spent a lot of time writing that up.
      Who, exactly, were you trying to convince?
      Because, from over here, it looks like you were writing it for yourself. To give yourself permission to be a bigot.

    2. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I was pointing out that Flynn's observations didn't come out of nowhere. It's nice that you lack comprehension skills - probably a millennial curled up in your safe space in college shielded from all that micro-aggression

    3. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. I'm muslim. So I recognize these 'observations' as masturbatory bullshit.
      As-salamu alaykum mothafucka.

    4. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Ok, that explains it all! I obviously don't expect you to confirm what I wrote. After all, if you believed in the tenets of Islam in bringing as much of the world as possible under Islamic law, why would you honestly tell us that? I don't expect you to either

    5. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you have permission to bury your head in the sand and ignore that Muslims around the world are committing Jihad, and that no other religion IN THE WORLD is engaged in a holy war in 2016.

    6. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there has been a defiinite history concerning the Wests paranioa about slam...
      Starting just prior to the Crusades, when islam invaded eastern europe...

    7. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your witch-hunt logic and shove it up your micropenis.

    8. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      And here is what the rebuttal is. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. Like if one is scared of a butterfly or a spider, that's a phobia, since those 2 things are harmless.

      You know some spiders actually have a really nasty bite, right? Also:

      Since 9/11, there have been close to 30,000 jihadist attacks worldwide - be it the 7/7 attacks in London,

      An average of 6 people per year have been killed by terrorists in the UK, 52 since 2007. If you think fear of terrorists is justified, you should be fucking terrified of buses. The Red Menaces have kill 3 times that number of people in London alone. And if you see a ladder, you ought to have a fainting fight over those runged death machines (60 deaths in a single year).

      So, if you're not scared of buses, then being afraid of terrorists is irrational.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    9. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Like if one is scared of a butterfly or a spider, that's a phobia, since those 2 things are harmless.

      Wait, what? Dude I live in Australia and I can assure there are plenty of spiders here that will kill you. And unlike the regular wisdom of 'leave it alone and it won't harm you', some of them will attack even if unprovoked. So yeah, being afraid of some spiders is perfectly reasonable.

    10. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Boronx · · Score: 2

      Good god, man. The world is not a video game.

    11. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

      As he mentioned in a follow up post, he is a Muslim, so has a vested interest in non-Muslims not knowing everything I had written

    12. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There is a much larger world out there than the Ummah Kalifate

    13. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Okay, bad example - take out spider. Put it as fear of butterflies or ladybugs or even moths

    14. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. I've seen you post the most ned neck, hateful, bigoted crap all over SlashDot. You can't even keep the target of your bigotry and hatred stable, shifting from blacks to whites to Muslims, etc. Not even down a single thread of conversation can you keep your views stable. Hell, sometimes you even argue against yourself and now that I think of it, I've seen you post claiming to be Christian, Jewish, even atheist. So no, AC, I don't believe you're Muslim.

    15. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, much like you can't really tell which Christians are the "real" ones. Oh, wait, it's actually pretty simple.

    16. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this should be modded up and references confirmed.

    17. Re:Fake news about 'Islamophobia' by dywolf · · Score: 1

      you're half right.
      they didn't come out of no where.
      they came out of misinformation rooted in bigotry.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
  34. There is no way it is a scret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO ONE sneaks a cable guy along with his cable installers into THE EFFING PENTAGON to do some wiring without people knowing.

  35. Mitt Happens - the choke artist by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Even if Romney gets a job, it can't be the Secretary of State job. Trump believes in getting along w/ Russia, whereas Romney believes that they are a greater threat than Islam. Even if Trump forgives everything that happened this year, he can't overlook that factoid. Have Romney run the VA or something, if he has to be in the cabinet

    1. Re:Mitt Happens - the choke artist by Boronx · · Score: 1

      You can't tell Trump what to do.

  36. BeauHD is just trolling now by bongey · · Score: 0

    ./ editor troll just putting out OMG Trump stories. How long is going to take BeauHD to get over the butt hurt of the election?
    We got the OMG Trump appointments, OMG Trump is bringing back coal, OMG Trump global warming stories, OMG Trump ponies.
    FYI his twitter feed, "Trump is a saggy sack of shit. If any one of you is even remotely considering voting for him this November, please unfollow me. "
    "That sack of shit next to Hillary is attracting flies! #debate"
    "Clinton wiped the floor with Trump tonight. Say hello to your next president, America!"
    " It's only a story because it has the 'Trump' buzzword. Stupid media is stupid."
    "I bet Trump hired the climber for publicity."

  37. She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    She was proven guilty, the FBI said so. They just said it was too much trouble to prosecute her.

    Whatever happened to "punishment for being found guilty".

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      She was proven guilty, the FBI said so. They just said it was too much trouble to prosecute her.

      Whatever happened to "punishment for being found guilty".

      When did she get a trial, as guaranteed under the Constitution, had the evidence carefully examined, and got a decision made based on that?

      For that matter, when did the FBI ever say she was guilty?

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    2. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Coney gave a long speech detailing exactly how she broke the law then concluded it by saying that the FBI recommended no charges.

    3. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      Coney gave a long speech detailing exactly how she broke the law then concluded it by saying that the FBI recommended no charges.

      How, exactly, did she break the law? (Not a bait question, seriously, I honestly want to hear what you think she did illegally)

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    4. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Comey (not "Coney") gave a long speech *alleging* that HC may have broken the law. Unless and until she is actually charged and actually faces trial, that's all it is. *Alleged*.

      Quoth the law of the land, no less.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    5. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Boronx · · Score: 1

      This is what they found on her server:

      A couple of emails discussing news articles about programs that were secret.

      A couple of emails with phone call talking points, which were not obviously marked classified, and were de-classified after the phone call.

      Do you really want to lock her up for that?

    6. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Imrik · · Score: 1

      No, I want to lock her up for deleting them after they were subpoenaed, I don't really care what was in them.

    7. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Imrik · · Score: 1

      She was "extremely careless" with classified information. Coney recommended no charges because there was no intent, which is not required under the law. She also deleted emails after they were subpoenaed for a criminal investigation.

    8. Re:She was presumed innocent, then found guilty by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Yep. That's the actual issue here.

  38. Fake News is a specialty of the New Yorker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The New Yorker is a fake news publication. Every single one of their published predictions and polls during the presidential race was dead wrong. All of the Trump accusers that the New Yorker and the rest of the fake-stream news media unveiled during the campaign disappeared into the woodworks after Trump won the election.

    You Big Brother propagandists do not fool us. We know who you are and we're coming after you. LOL

    1. Re:Fake News is a specialty of the New Yorker by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Logic fail. "Wrong" != "Fake".

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    2. Re:Fake News is a specialty of the New Yorker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really think people who are afraid of what Trump will do to them when he got power... won't back off now that he has power? His ex-wife that said he raped her... then backed off when he paid her off and legally threatened her?

  39. Re:This won't stop the complains about the maid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are sort of right. Its not hillary's position to give clearances to uncleared persons.

    But... (1) all the stuff about her maid is assumptions based on a common first name (maria) and (2) nobody has said the maid did not have clearance. When I worked in a SCIF the janitors had clearance so nobody would have to escort them as they did their jobs. It is entirely possible that her maid was cleared. It would be make sense that her maid would have been investigated no matter what because she's working for the secretary of state. So if she passed a comprehensive background check anyway, getting her full clearance wouldn't be a huge deal.

  40. Internet connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, how the heck did he get an "unsecured" internet connection in the Pentagon? It's not like Comcast could just have pulled up in front, dug a trench through the ground, concrete, walls, and tore up the floor, then put in a hidden ethernet cable. this sounds a lot like the 'fake news' liberals have been screaming about.

  41. If he broke the law... by ichthus · · Score: 1

    If he did, in fact, break the law, the FBI will thoroughly investigate him. He will be indicted and the DOJ will then hold him accountable. Right? RIGHT? That's how it works, right?

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  42. He *had* official Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Read the article he had an OFFICIAL provided internet. This was an extra one.

    "He had technicians secretly install an Internet connection in his Pentagon office, even though it was forbidden."

  43. Contemplating the meaning of "classified". by buss_error · · Score: 1

    Ever wonder just what those 100 emails with classified information might have contained? How it would have destroyed our country if those secrets had been compromised?

    Take a look other classified information that has leaked. What you see are the things our own government is required to tell us, but won't, and if not that, then things that make politicians and bureaucrats look bad.

    No, the state department does not get OPSEC, OPLAN, or SCI materials. They get stuff like whose diplomats are vulnerable to being compromised, who they are having affairs with. They do not get things like troop strength. They do not get operational security information. They do not get a lot because they are diplomats - people that get paid to talk a lot. Like anyone is going to give a bunch of gas bags a lot of hot security information.

    Another telling point is that there is no criminal prosecution of Hillary Clinton, nor will there ever be. See? Total red herring and it fooled one hell of a lot of people.

    The trick of politics isn't to tell the truth. The trick is to tell your voters what they want to hear regardless of fact.

    It really doesn't matter to me who "won". None of them are going to make my life any easier and none of them have the least interest in increasing my paycheck. I found this to be true for several decades now.

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    1. Re:Contemplating the meaning of "classified". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we can't have the goyim suspecting, right, brother?

      You get your cheque for posting yet? I got mine yesterday.

  44. Ah.. but was there INTENT? by poity · · Score: 1

    Maybe he didn't mean to do it.
    After all, if you don't intend to jeopardize national security, you're still in the clear.

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  45. Cut the guy a break, can't we? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

    Cut the poor guy a break here folks. Maybe, just maybe, all he wanted was to download John Podesta's risotto recipe.

  46. hilarious by HBI · · Score: 2

    For christ's sake, this is a dumb article.

    If Flynn had an unfiltered Internet connection, good on him. They exist all over the place and for good reason. The NIPR connections are so sanitized, you can't get anywhere interesting or useful on them. Essentially, nowadays they are whitelisted to protect the stupid office staff from malware and to stop them from whacking off to porn in the office. SIPR/JWICS/etc connections obviously won't have any kind of net access, they are airgapped networks.

    It's really easy to see why the head of the NSA would have a justification for an unfiltered connection at times.

    As long as the TEMPEST rules are followed, the presence of another network connection is an irrelevancy. If you can't handle classification correctly, you belong in jail and out of the role of handling it (looking at you HIllary).

    If some asshat came up with a rule preventing an unfiltered unclass net connection - which would be by its nature a local rule - that person was an asshat and should have been ignored. There are a lot of those in the government as well, sadly.

    In terms of sharing classified information with other nations, there have been many ad hoc methods of transferring information to close allies over time to get around shitty procedures. When friendly lives are of concern, sometimes even foreign nationals get access to US-only networks and by definition, US-only intel.

    I'd be more likely to judge based on the actual circumstances of the transfer than on what amounts to innuendo, which is all this article has to offer.

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    1. Re:hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... "Air gapped" or not...

      When I worked in that environment, we spent a year to get a specific authorized connection between an unclassified system and a classified system on SIPPRNet. By the time the paperwork was completed (it took about a year) it turned out there were several hundred UNAUTHORIZED connections between unclassified systems and SIPPRNet scattered around.

      Some were connected to transfer GBs of data from an unclassified system to a classified systems... but in the rush to process some high level requests, they forgot to unplug...

      Then there were the times SIPPRNet was attacked by several mail worms... (guess how).

    2. Re:hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the TEMPEST rules are followed, the presence of another network connection is an irrelevancy. If you can't handle classification correctly, you belong in jail and out of the role of handling it (looking at you HIllary).

      We just saw a story a few days ago about the ability to use a pair of headphones as a listening device (maybe not a surprise, though). Anyway, I'll bet $50 (which is really easy since I'm an AC) that Flynn used an ordinary laptop with camera and microphones in place.

    3. Re:hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't handle classification correctly

      Not compromising the network is part of handling classification properly. And don't spout off about airgaps because that shit is meaningless. You think Flynn is smarter than China's cyberops? Bottom line, there is no reason for someone at Flynn's level to have a secret network connection. None. Well, actually I can think of one, but it's too scary to think about.

    4. Re:hilarious by dywolf · · Score: 1

      its cute that you think air gaps matter.

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  47. But no vagina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing he doesn't have a viagina or this would be a really big deal

  48. Waiting for the chants... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waiting for the chants of Trump supporters to 'Lock him up!'

    Nothing but crickets.

  49. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Informative

    More like a safe space for hordes of ACs who can't make up their minds whether their stiffies are for Trump or Putin, you mean?

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  50. Bullshit by whodunit · · Score: 2

    He "installed a forbidden internet connection" in the FUCKING PENTAGON? Excuse me? Either he had his very own cat6 ran through the building just for him, in secret (fucking impossible) or he tethered his fucking smartphone (big fucking deal.) Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

    1. Re:Bullshit by BenBoy · · Score: 1

      Um, dude, having a working cell phone in a SCIF? Might not be a big f*cking deal where *you* come from ...

    2. Re:Bullshit by avandesande · · Score: 1

      The whole pentagon is not a SCIF. These are special rooms with controlled entry.

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    3. Re:Bullshit by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

      He "installed a forbidden internet connection" in the FUCKING PENTAGON? Excuse me? Either he had his very own cat6 ran through the building just for him, in secret (fucking impossible) or he tethered his fucking smartphone (big fucking deal.) Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

      Actually tethering smart phones is one of the biggest fucking deals there is. There's some real power politic going on there if you hadn't noticed over the last couple decades. That's a powerful way to use the internet. It's heavily taxed.

  51. Useful later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably when the time comes for Trump to ask for his resignation (and it will happen within a year or two in my estimation), Trump himself will cite this as one of the reasons. Of course, it won't matter that he's ignoring it now.

    1. Re:Useful later by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Trump will not have the chance to ask for anyone's resignation because his own party will impeach him at the earliest chance possible. They rather work with Pence and the crusty establishment. Trump already senses that and this is likely the reason why he puts all those inept and unqualified folks from the party establishment into cozy positions. So much for draining the swamp!

  52. Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was called in to help debug a problem with a server running on the NIPR. It seemed several out of every 100 TCP connections it made to the Internet failed inexplicably. An application level retry would immediately succeed but if you let the original TCP socket retry it kept on failing to connect.

    So I investigated and it turned out about 2% of TCP -source- ports in the ephemeral range were blocked. Any TCP packet using those originating ports simply failed to arrive at the other side.

    So, tracked down the firewall admin at Pearl and she explained that yes, they blocked those ports because they were commonly used by malware. Ports like 1234.

    Okay, so even if I buy that that's reasonable, it would only apply to TCP -destination- ports, not TCP source ports. Went back and forth, back and forth. Eventually gave up and hacked the server to avoid the filtered TCP source ports.

    And that level of incompetence is why I totally understand anyone who wants a direct Internet connection.

    Then again, as someone involved in the Intelligence community he might just have wanted a commercial connection whose IP address wasn't associated with the military for some of his communications. You know, basic opsec.

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    1. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you totally understand why Clinton had her own email server then? to get around the rampant incompetence?

    2. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Auditors grade the state department's unclassified email system every year. By all reports, Clinton's email server was substantially more secure.

      She was careless with classified information, I don't cheer that, but I absolutely cheer her choice to use her own, better secured email server for routine unclassified communication. And I roar with delight that she was willing to buck the bureaucracy doing it when nearly every other politician knuckles under to what the bureaucrats tell them they must do.

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    3. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      There are valid reasons that an intelligence agency might have a standalone computer with a direct connection to the internet, not on the same network with any of the other computers, such as needing to go look at otherwise blocked websites belonging to bad guys. There are also ways to get this approved, too. However, those computers would be for use by analysts, and highly supervised, not something in the office of the boss for his use.

      Furthermore, the notion that he would want to use those for communication for "opsec" is silly - you could make the same (bad) argument for Clinton. The only benefit it would provide is security through obscurity. Meanwhile, he's got other, vastly more secure options, like classified networks.

      Now, you're certainly right that government and military IT can do some boneheaded things, but as the head of an agency like DIA, he'd have enough influence to get most problems fixed pronto. I don't know if you've ever been in the military, let alone military comms, but when the Old Man's system isn't working, it is a grade-A emergency, and people get a huge fire lit under their butts. The higher up he is, the bigger the fire, and a three star agency head would be a pretty big fire. All it takes is one bad OER/NCOER to tank your career.

    4. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, as someone involved in the Intelligence community he might just have wanted a commercial connection whose IP address wasn't associated with the military for some of his communications. You know, basic opsec.

      That was my initial reaction, but after thinking about it further, I don't think that makes sense either. If there's a need for such a service, then the IT department should have a router running a VPN to an outside box (possibly a commercial VPN provider), and set a route to forward Flynn's traffic through the VPN instead of via the usual gateway. They'd be able to monitor traffic to/from Flynn's machine at the VPNed router, so they can still watch for hacking or malware or whatever else is of concern, but he'd have an outside IP. I've done something similar myself, and it's pretty straightforward to set up.

      Of course, any reasonable technical solution assumes a certain level of competence on the part of the IT department... if the admins are blocking outgoing ports in the manner that parent described, then I suspect they were hired for something other than their technical ability (e.g. already having the necessary security clearance).

    5. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Auditors grade the state department's unclassified email system every year. By all reports, Clinton's email server was substantially more secure.

      What auditors? No one knew she had it so how could it be audited. Just the fact it isn't on a government network is a fail on the audit itself so don't tell me it was audited properly.

      Your a god damn liar and a fraud just like hildog.
      Quit spreading lies.
      BTW I do audit networks.

    6. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Just the fact it isn't on a government network is a fail on the audit itself. BTW I do audit networks.

      As a member of the bureaucracy she bucked, I can understand you being annoyed but good God man, your vitriol is off the scale.

      And for the record, I said the state department's email system was audited and implied (correctly) that it routinely receives poor grades for security. I made no statement about Clinton's server being audited let alone by government auditors or using any particular government standard. Before calling someone a liar, try to understand what they actually said.

      You may cause me to retract part of what I said... not because of any misinformation about Clinton and her server but because your disrespect for fact in your position as a federal auditor implies that government servers receive improperly poor grades.

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    7. Re:Let me tell you a story about NIPRnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but the head of the agency?
      that's silly

  53. You're clearly a Trump apologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, it's all Obama's fault... fuck you.

  54. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude, read a fucking dictionary. "fake news" does not simply mean news you don't like, reflects badly on your tribe or hurts your precious feelings. If means fake. As in did not actually happen. Like Obama not being a US citizen, or pizzagate or that quote about Trump saying he'd run as a republican because republicans are idiots. All those are fake because they're about things which never happened.

    Actual news you don't like which might actually challenge some blindly held misconceptions of yours is not fake.

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  55. I will give 10 to 1 odds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is VERY vague about what this "secret internet connection" was, but I will give 10 to 1 odds that it was just a Wifi AP. While an unauthorized AP is a bad thing, the post makes it sound like he had Comcast set up cable service in his office or something. Also, if he had "technicians" set it up, they would have secured it etc, so while it was unauthorized and shouldn't have been done, it isn't like he is running an email server that is easily hacked.

  56. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're both wrong. It's a safe place for anyone, anonymous or only relatively so, to spout whatever bullshit they want. My experience is that roughly 2% of comments are worth reading and the moderation system doesn't quite filter out all the noise (which includes my parent post).

    Most posts are registered users trying to out-maneuver each other using flawed arguments and then then counter-attacks pointing out the logical fallacies in those arguments. (Amusingly enough, the assertion that the poster is WRONG AND STUPID because they have used a flawed argument is itself an ad hominem attack.)

    Fairy rarely, someone posts something interesting or informative and an actual conversation breaks out which is the only useful kind of discussion here... or really anywhere. It would be nice if that were to happen more often.

  57. Re:This won't stop the complains about the maid... by Boronx · · Score: 1

    Is there any evidence for this outside the New York Post?

  58. Lock him up! by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! The contards only need to cross out one word on their posters and signs.

  59. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "fake news" does not simply mean news you don't like, reflects badly on your tribe or hurts your precious feelings.

    What, like the Clinton emails?

    All these flavors, and you chose salty.

  60. Awww..poor little ogdenk... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love how people try to downplay this as if it was an "accidental" slip and a trivial oversight on her part. Flynn is obviously a douche as well who needs his ass kicked.

    Oh.... almost forgot.... FUCK YOUR PARTISAN BULLSHIT

    When they actually start an investigation (criminal) into Flynn....THEN you can say FUCK YOUR PARTISAN BULLSHIT.

    Until that - you're a god-damn ass....because the two ain't equivalent (yet).

  61. Fake News? by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So...an article by Business Insider, which relies on an article in the New Yorker, wherein a reporter makes these claims.

    No proof, no official findings, no investigations, just, "he told me" from a reporter and magazine that are unquestionably anti-everything that is not Democrat.

    This shows all the hallmarks of Fake News as they have been explained to us by the media.

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    1. Re:Fake News? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      All news is fake, or distorted, or selectively reported.

      Whine all you want about who controls the media, it's just as effective as whining about who controls the tax laws and their enforcement, or whining about unjust military action in half the world. You don't even know 10% of the "real story," and neither do I.

    2. Re:Fake News? by Sumtingwong · · Score: 1

      Spot on. This is nothing but a hack piece for the rest of the Slashdotters and all the other empirically challenged to drool over. Move along, nothing to see here.

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    3. Re:Fake News? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure he installed a "secret" internet connection in his office at the freaking Pentagon... I'm sure no one noticed, or installed it, or had to use network resources... Unless he did it himself running an invisible actual cable out his window or something I find it all very unlikely.

  62. Eh? by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    This is a non-story. Anyone that is familiar with NIPR/SIPR military network would understand this.

    A "forbidden" connection could be something as simple as using the wrong color network cable when setting up the NIPR machine. There are pages of rules on setting NIPR and SIPR connected machines near one another. Also it wouldn't be "secret" either because the network guys would have to actually set it up and give it access top to the network.

    This is completely different than say setting up a personal civilian server in your bathroom and then totally ignoring the NIPR and SIPR machines the tech guys set up for you because you couldn't be bothered with remembering your password or encrypting your email traffic.

  63. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    The days are gone when there were real journalists that made sure of their facts before reporting. We live in the Dan Rather era where we get news that if it fits the bias of the reporter is barely vetted. I've gotten to the point where I barely believe anything I read and only half of what I see. I just want to ask you, honestly now, do you believe that a military general office got caught doing all the crazy things this report says? It sounds like the bullshit stories we used to come up with when I was in the Air Force. Actually it doesn't, it's crazier than those. If we had passed on any of this shit at the NCO club bar we'd have been laughed out of the place. One thing you don't fuck with in the military is classified material. The paranoia and rigorous rules surrounding that subject makes me shudder to this day almost 30 years later. The very idea this guy had a private internet connection installed in the Pentagon is idiocy. Any of the people involved could go to jail for years. Only people at the cabinet level could possibly get away with that kind of crazy shit and then only if they had the AG in their pocket.

  64. Super Secret by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

    Hillary using e-mail wasn't the problem. It was her setting up an insecure private MS Exchange server in order to avoid oversight from the government or public (via FOIA requests) and to make her willful destruction of evidence so much easier.

    That would be a sensible perception if it weren't for the fact that you left out the hugely relevant fact that the United States Secret Service was involved with this (at least knowledgeable of it) every step of the way. If you really believe you can prosecute (even if only in some fantasy of a non-corrupt court) those SS agents that were aware of the server as well as Hillary...

    If in fact the SS made no efforts to ensure the server was as secure as anything else she would have used, then yeah, we've got even more problems with the SS than those drunk driving incidents.

  65. Re:Slashdot keeps running anti trump articles by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    One thing you don't fuck with in the military is classified material.

    What a load of rubbish. Go ask any hapless DoE employee who has to coordinate with the military on classified stuff. You won't hear the end of it on how awful the military are to deal with since they seem to neither know nor care about the rules.

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  66. Rules and rule-makers or enforcers .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Whether we like to admit it or not, this is pretty much always true....

    Look at the police, as one example. They enforce all of the traffic rules about obeying speed limits, not passing someone without signaling first, etc. Yet you can watch any patrol car for an hour or so and witness multiple infractions. I've even seen them turn on the lights to get through some traffic, only to turn in to a shopping center parking lot where they killed the lights again and proceeded to go in to a restaurant to meet with their friends for lunch.

    By virtue of having the job of enforcing the rules, they feel they earned the privilege of optionally ignoring them when they "know it won't hurt anyone else".

    I'm sure this happens all the time in situations where "Internet access is banned" or "heavily monitored". People in situations where they think they can circumvent those rules are going to do so, because it kind of sucks working in the place 8 hours every day under those restrictions.

    The rules aren't "stupid", necessarily. But they may well be heavy-handed tactics that amount to swatting flies with sledgehammers.

    1. Re:Rules and rule-makers or enforcers .... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      A Miami news station tailed a patrol car at shift change using a news helo. They clocked him doing 100+mph on his way home to dinner.

      Nobody takes the job to enforce THE LAW, they take the job to enforce laws of their choosing on others.

    2. Re: Rules and rule-makers or enforcers .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that just a tiny bit of a generalisation? Do you know anyone in the police?

  67. Re:Trump picks advisor willing to call rules stupi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid attracts stupid.

  68. Hmmm by JWW · · Score: 1

    I have it on good authority from Hillary Clinton supporters that this should be no big deal....

  69. All things being equal by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Surely it is now time to engage in a feeding frenzy and rip him apart? After all, if Clinton is a traitor for having her own mail server, and therefore guilty of mass murder and all the other accusations, then of course the same goes here? And so on... I expect we are now going to see intense scrutiny of this guy and his family - let's dig up all the dirt on him, why not? (Exercise for the reader: see if you can spot the sarcasm)