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Russia Falls Behind In Annual Space Launches For First Time Ever (themoscowtimes.com)

From a report on the Moscow Times: This year, for the first time in history, Russia has fallen behind the United States and China as the world's leading launcher of space rockets. Russia will finish 2016 with just 18 launches, according to open source data, compared to China's 19 and America's 20 launches. Alexander Ivanov, deputy chief of Russia's Roscosmos space agency, said on Nov. 29 that the launch rate has decreased because Moscow's space strategy has changed. Currently, it's top priority is reviving existing and aging satellite groupings. But there are other reasons Russia's launch rate may be falling behind. Since the 1957 launch of Sputnik, the world's first satellite, Russia has been the undisputed leader in annual launch rates -- a figure that spoke to the general health of its space program and aerospace industry. At the peak of the Soviet space program, Russia often launched around 100 rockets a year. Since 1957, Russia has launched over 3,000 rockets -- roughly twice as many as the U.S. But with the Russian economy in crisis, space budgets have plummeted. Funding for the next decade of Russian space activity stands at just 1.4 trillion rubles ($21.5 billion), a figure that was only finalized after three rounds of cuts to proposed funding, which began at 3.4 trillion rubles ($52.3 billion). The U.S. space agency, NASA, received a budget of $19.3 billion in 2016 alone. To make matters worse, Russian rockets are becoming uncharacteristically undependable.

93 comments

  1. Classic Russia bashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They go 18 launches without a single failure while the US goes 19 and 1 and somehow the Russian rockets are the ones becoming uncharacteristically unreliable?

    The Russians have 2 more launches scheduled for December. The US and China should still beat them this year though but the final Russian number will not be 18 launches in 2016.

    1. Re:Classic Russia bashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont worry, Russia will have many more launches next year as from 2017 Vladimir Putin will personally throw the vehicles into orbit while topless and on horseback.

  2. Anti-Russian space program propoganda by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I had a nickel for every piece of "NASA's story represents the entirety of the space race/USSR-Russia sucks/Let's pretend that NASA is the only space program" propaganda piece in journalism and pop culture that has come out since 1957, I could fund my own space program that would be better than anybody's.

    Yeah, I get it, butthurt Americans are mad that they can no longer send men into space. So they feel the need to come up with any metric to show that NASA is somehow still superior to the Russians, even as they have to beg Russia for rides to ISS.

    Americans, still fighting the Cold War long after everyone else went home.

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    1. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you on about? This entire summary was about the accomplishments of the Russian space program. It starts off with sputnik and then goes on and covers how they've launched more rockets, as much as double the US. The only area that they said NASA is doing better is in funding. Hell, the entire thing is about what a shock it is that Russia isn't number 1 for the first time ever. How the hell is that pro-US? Seriously, what are you smoking? You may want to lay off it for a while.

    2. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...Americans, still fighting the Cold War long after everyone else went home.

      He started it.

    3. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Yeah, The Moscow Times is a rabidly pro-NASA rag for sure.

    4. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't someone else mention that this publication is very anti-Putin and is purported to have CIA funding? In that case, it may well be very pro-NASA.

    5. Re: Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Provide some evidence for that statement.. oh wait this is the internet.

    6. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, this piece is pretty blatantly selective. How about showing a comparison of failed projects, how about how much projects actually cost in their respective agencies. The summary is right out of the 1960s BS "we're #1!" after winning a single race after being beating in dozens of others.

    7. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh a Trumpzi defending Russia, even over the most trivial "slight". What a surprise.

    8. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Way better than a Clintonazi whose throwback anti-Russian stance might have led to WWIII.

      But oh noes!!!!! The Donald might want to start using the evil term "illegal aliens" again instead of "undocumented workers"!!!! LETS ALL CLUTCH OUR PEARLS and vote in a bellicose corporate whore instead!!!

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    9. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Indeed, this piece is pretty blatantly selective. How about showing a comparison of failed projects, how about how much projects actually cost in their respective agencies. The summary is right out of the 1960s BS "we're #1!" after winning a single race after being beating in dozens of others.

      Beavis: You won every race, Butthurt! You went to the Olympics! Heh, too bad you didn't win.
      Butthurt: Shut up, Beavis! Winning the Olympics wasn't my goal. I wasn't racing. I had other plans. I sent a robot to run my race for me.

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    10. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Trumpzi. Nah, I don't think it will catch on. The "pz" doesn't really roll off the tongue. You need a vowel to follow the "p". Trumper, Trumpist, Trumpite, Trumpen, Trumpedup...something along those lines.

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    11. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      See, he does it right. A vowel follows the consonant, making it easier to pronounce.

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    12. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

      Trumpazi? Tazi?

    13. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by balbeir · · Score: 1

      Citizen of Trumpistan

    14. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by tsotha · · Score: 1

      It wasn't Trump that was trying to get us into a war with the Russians. I'll sleep easier knowing Clinton won't be anywhere near nuclear weapons.

    15. Re:Anti-Russian space program propoganda by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Huh? Jeez, all Nasa can do is reliably land rovers on Mars... something no other space power seems to be capable of. Oh, and send space probes to every planet in the solar system. Orbit the gas giants. Build enormous space observatories. But yeah, right, that's all "trumped" by not having a taxi service to low earth orbit.

      Yawn.

  3. Merica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fUCK YEAH!!

  4. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this even possible when the US hasn't had a vehicle for getting into space since 2011?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not. Americans are just desperate to show that their space program is still somehow functional and relevant, even as they have to hitch rides with the Russians and China's program continues to rise quickly. So they make shit up.

      De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt. It also runs right through America.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, because it still is functional and relevant? The problem is the lack of serious funding for manned missions and create a new launch vehicle. The problem has existed since the early 1990's when every new launch vehicle that was proposed was pretty much denied. It's also clear that the US would have to cooperate with Russia if the US continued their manned missions, which is also partly the reason why many launch vehicles were denied (There's a lot of hostility towards Russia in Congress and others). It's also the reason why they were all happy with glee when some suggested the ISS crash and burn.

  5. "uncharacteristically undependable" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Undependable is a gross exageration, but everyone knows that the Moscow Times is, very curiously, a biased outlet with anti-Russian sentiments, so stuff like that is expected, and of course /. are quick to regurgitate it.

  6. That's ok by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    How about re-doing the statistics with manned space launches.

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    1. Re:That's ok by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How about re-doing the statistics with manned space launches.

      Why?

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    2. Re:That's ok by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      You don't even need to do that - just consider how many of those 'American' launches are using Russian engines.

      Really though, both Russia and the USA should be keeping an eye on the Chinese, who are getting set to outpace everyone in terms of launches soon.

    3. Re:That's ok by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Because it generates exactly this response.

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    4. Re:That's ok by syntotic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we all can wait 500 years to resume space exploration, who cares?

  7. Sounds fine by unixisc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Russia needs to work on its economy and lower unemployment, increase wages and improving the quality of life of all their citizens. Space activities, admirable as they are, should be lower in priority

    1. Re:Sounds fine by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WTF?

      Launch services where/are a good source of hard currency for the Ruskys. The rest of the world has supported Russia's space program as it delivers good value. To say nothing of the chaos that would happen if the technical staff hit the world job market.

      Other than that, they have oil/gas/weapons/prostitute exports. Not a diverse economy.

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    2. Re:Sounds fine by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...Other than that, they have oil/gas/weapons/prostitute exports. Not a diverse economy.

      Ironically this list seems to meet all the needs of the 21st century barbarian...

    3. Re:Sounds fine by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Russia needs to work on...improving the quality of life of all their citizens.

      Dictators don't care about that; they want toys and power. They only care about the welfare of their masses if there's a risk they'll riot and overthrow the top.

    4. Re:Sounds fine by erapert · · Score: 1

      The rest of the world has supported Russia's space program as it delivers good value.

      From TFS:

      To make matters worse, Russian rockets are becoming uncharacteristically undependable.

      Also, SpaceX is absolutely destroying the usual suspects on launch costs despite their recent "setbacks".

    5. Re:Sounds fine by guestapoo · · Score: 1

      oil/gas/weapons/prostitute exports

      Update your data, it's outdated!
      Food exports to reached a record $20 billion in 2015, more than the country earned from arms sales.

    6. Re:Sounds fine by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What were their food imports #s?

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    7. Re:Sounds fine by emt377 · · Score: 1

      Russia needs to work on its economy and lower unemployment, increase wages and improving the quality of life of all their citizens. Space activities, admirable as they are, should be lower in priority

      Keep in mind many of those missions are paid for by the U.S. and Europe to supply the ISS. Russia gets to tag along (space cred) and maintain its space industry which wouldn't exist otherwise; Russia is a middle-income country with about 10% the GDP of the U.S. or the EU, or about half that of Germany or the U.K. and as you point out it's would be a ludicrous waste of resources for such a small economy in need of growth to first-world tier to launch that many missions.

    8. Re:Sounds fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conan! What is best in life?

  8. Not worried by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I get it, butthurt Americans are mad that they can no longer send men into space.

    Umm, actually most of us aren't all that worried about it. Those of us who care know we've got programs in the works to revive our ability to put humans into space and we knew there would be a bit of a gap. It will get resolved soon enough in all likelihood. The rest simply don't care at all. Maybe a few folks get bent about it but they're a tiny minority.

    1. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... You are using Hollywood to show "butthurt and denial" over NASA in an article mostly highlighting the achievements of the Russian Space Program?? You have taken retardation to a whole new level.

      Setting all that aside, what is wrong with Hollywood using local experts and agencies to capitalize on science fiction that could be science fact in a few decades? Sheesh... you are dumb.

    2. Re:Not worried by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      It's very telling of the American popular mindset that not a single mainstream movie out of Hollywood has ever shown a non-American space program accomplishing anything of any importance in their science fiction (or even their documentaries, for that matter). In the rare cases where non-Americans are even shown, they're usually just used as some sort of comic relief (the laughable Russian stereotype cosmonaut in Armageddon being one of the most offensive examples).

      Name one popular American film (documentary, fiction or otherwise) that has ever shown the USSR or Russian space program as anything other than a backdrop to NASA's *amazing accomplishments*.

      That's called "propaganda." And if you don't think that says anything about American attitudes, I would suggest it's you who is dealing with retardation issues.

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    3. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood is located in the US so why are they obligated to create movies touting Russian achievement's?. That should be up to the Russian entertainment industry don't you think? They do have a comparable entertainment industry don't they?

      And counting launches doesn't really mean all that much. NASA has had probes of one type or another flying around the solar system providing scientific data for over 3 decades. What do all the other countries put together have in comparison?

      And why should the US prioritize manned launches? There is really no place to go at the moment that isn't being covered by telescopes, probes, and rovers. Should NASA spend a few trillion to send someone to Mars just for the bragging rights? Been to the moon several times and there is still no reason to go back to collect a few more rocks.

      The world will just have to wait for NASA to collect the necessary physiology data needed for prolonged manned space travel, spend boat loads of R&D money, and then develop the necessary technology for realistic manned space exploration and if others can't wait that long to steal the technology then they are certainly free to do it for themselves for a change.

    4. Re:Not worried by nucrash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As long as we continue to develop these programs, I think we have a pretty good shot at having two space worthy programs within the next two years. Our private space program has been developing for some time and several companies are getting in on the action. At some point, the US might be be the go-to country for LEO travel. Right now this is dependent on the Trump Administration and their decision to move forward with the existing programs or adapting the existing programs. If they recklessly abandon them as some administrations have done in the past, we could be begging India or China for a ride in the near future.

      SpaceX still has some work to do yet, but I see Boeing as also being a competitor and with the Sierra Nevada team chasing them to try and get in on the action, the potential of having at least two out of three programs getting us to ISS and possibly prolonging or building the next ISS.

      NASA still has the SLS to look forward to and move us into manned deep space. Even if that only ends up putting us on the Moon, it will be a good program for research that might put us in the rightful lead of the world as far as space exploration. I feel Russia is superior in longevity and actual logged manned space travel but NASA leads in exploration overall. I would like to see the US take the manned travel crown too.

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    5. Re:Not worried by tipo159 · · Score: 1

      You seem to be trolling here. There hasn't been many hard science fiction films featuring any national space agency this century and very few in the last six years. Besides, a) it makes sense that Hollywood movies featuring American characters would have those characters get into space with NASA, and b) Chinese facilities (a rocket and a space station/return capsule) save the day in two of the biggest recent space films (The Martian and Gravity).

    6. Re:Not worried by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You seem like you have a bone to pick. Don't you think stopping the shuttle was a rational decision given the fiscal constraints they had? They could have kept flying it, but that would have left a lot less money to develop anything new or fly interesting robotic missions. They knew they had a reliable partner to space in Russia, so I'm not sure why you object to the decision so strongly. NASA will (eventually) have several modern and relatively inexpensive methods to get astronauts into orbit - currently the private companies are scheduled for sometime in 2018 and the much more ambitious Orion capsule should fly (sans humans) shortly thereafter.

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    7. Re:Not worried by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The fact is the commercial launch industry is blossoming in the US. By 2020 we're going to have active competition between at least 3 separate companies to launch and reuse main rockets A reusable rocket should plummet launch costs and within a year or two all commercial launch contracts (non state) will be going up on American privately designed and launched rockets because it will be 10x cheaper than anything else out there. SpaceX is on target to start reusing rockets by 2022 and has a failure rate that's significantly lower than any of the state run and funded launch companies. Blue Horizon is right there with them but hasn't actually done any commercial launches yet and there are several other competitors.

      If these predictions hold true the only things Russia will be launching will be their own satellites they don't have the money for. Without the commercial business they've been getting they will need to subsidize their rocket program even more and the funding cuts already in place are going to decrease quality and increase accidents which severely increases insurance costs which will make them even more competitive. By 2030 I won't be surprised if ULA and Arienspace are out of business and Russia is launching one or two rockets a year.

    8. Re:Not worried by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I think the Space Shuttle was nothing more than a contractor boondoggle from the start. The U.S. should have continued development of the much more powerful and practical Saturn line in the 1970's instead of turning NASA into a glorified jobs program and cash funnel for bullshit-artist contractors who over-promised on the Space Shuttle from day one. If they had, maybe the manned space program wouldn't have become a PR-focused mess that never got beyond LEO again. As it is, NASA has become a money-sink joke, while the Russians at least were smart enough to stick with a program that was cost-effective if not particularly visionary anymore.

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    9. Re:Not worried by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I agree that they spent too much money and time on the space shuttle, but I think they are now recovering in the best way possible: focus on their wildly successful robotic missions while letting the private sector and Russia get them to LEO, and toss a bare minimum into developing deep space manned capability to keep the inspirational bit alive. Maybe SLS is not the most efficient use of funds, but in part that's what happens when your goals get changed on you every 8 years.

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    10. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "The Martian" did and so did "The Right Stuff" did as well...

    11. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very telling of the American popular mindset that not a single mainstream movie out of Hollywood has ever shown a non-American space program accomplishing anything of any importance in their science fiction (or even their documentaries, for that matter). In the rare cases where non-Americans are even shown, they're usually just used as some sort of comic relief (the laughable Russian stereotype cosmonaut in Armageddon being one of the most offensive examples). ...
      That's called "propaganda." And if you don't think that says anything about American attitudes, I would suggest it's you who is dealing with retardation issues.

      As an American, I truly thought Russians were better educated than what you're displaying right now.

      1) Hollywood produces entertainment for consumption primarily by Americans. Ergo, NASA gets all of the credit since that's what is familiar to the vast majority of Americans. Perhaps you identify it as "propaganda" since that's the environment you grew up in?

      2) No question that the stereotype cosmonaut in _Armageddon_ is simply ridiculous. Finding it offensive is a personal choice, however. Personally, I found that the character overcoming that common Russian obstacle - poor manufacturing stemming from a terrible choice of economic structure - was quite clever and heroic. (I'd love to hear your defense of Russian manufacturing and economics during the rule by the Communist Party, especially given that there were actual Russian economists that saw the demise coming as a result of a centrally-planned economy long before Reagan did.)

    12. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2010

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Good flick. An even better read.

    13. Re:Not worried by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I'd be fascinated to see a Soviet or Russian movie about NASA. A google search returns too much chaff. Perhaps you can provide a title or two? Oh, and I guess it would had to have been a main-stream movie.

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    14. Re:Not worried by erapert · · Score: 1

      It's very telling of the American popular mindset that not a single mainstream movie out of Hollywood has ever shown a non-American space program accomplishing anything of any importance in their science fiction (or even their documentaries, for that matter)

      Why should American movie companies give a crap about non-American space programs? You folks in the rest of the world sure do like to deride the US but then mooch off our tech and entertainment and then complain that it's not all about you... and then you call Americans arrogant and lazy and stupid.

    15. Re:Not worried by avgjoe62 · · Score: 1

      It's very telling of the American popular mindset that not a single mainstream movie out of Hollywood has ever shown a non-American space program accomplishing anything of any importance in their science fiction (or even their documentaries, for that matter). In the rare cases where non-Americans are even shown, they're usually just used as some sort of comic relief (the laughable Russian stereotype cosmonaut in Armageddon being one of the most offensive examples).

      How about the 1969 movie Marooned , where a soviet spacecraft comes to the aid of a stranded US capsule?

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    16. Re:Not worried by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      The USSR's space program was mentioned VERY briefly in the The Right Stuff (IIRC it was literally for a matter of seconds), and functioned purely as the incentive for NASA to create the GREATEST SPACE PROGRAM EVAR!!! And I believe the sole mention of non-Americans in The Martian was a brief scene near the end where some anonymous Chinese were very briefly shown helping the heroic-American stars rescue their fellow heroic-American Matt Damon. Both were the cinematic equivalent of South Park episode where the main character walks around flaunting his giant dick for 30-minutes, while his counterpart is given a 15-second scene to briefly show his 1-inch micropenis (for equity).

      Is that the best you can do?

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    17. Re:Not worried by TheSync · · Score: 1

      I think the Space Shuttle was nothing more than a contractor boondoggle from the start.

      The Shuttle also had a problem of having to meet both military and civilian requirements. The NRO required the Shuttle payload bay to be larger than needed by civilian payloads, and they wanted the option to fly "once around" polar orbit missions which required greater flexibility for maneuvering the landing, which dramatically increased the size of the delta wing.

    18. Re:Not worried by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, 2010 was about as close as it gets, but even in that one many of the Russians were played for comic relief and Roy Scheider was the clear protagonist. Only the Russian captain stood out as a serious character, and her scenes were pretty brief.

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    19. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of reading, the 30 year old book linked below, published by a US writer, is very informative and praiseworthy of the USSR's accomplishments. Perhaps that is why it's out-of-print and never revised.

      https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-...

    20. Re:Not worried by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      Also "2010"

    21. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also the excellent Americanized version of the BBC Space Race miniseries docu-drama that aired a few times on the National Geographic channel in the U.S. But it was never released to DVD or blu-ray in the U.S. (the UK-version region 2 DVD is the only edition available).

    22. Re:Not worried by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      It's very telling of the American popular mindset that not a single mainstream movie out of Hollywood

      Yeah, and if there's one group of people who can really understand and capture the mindset of the common American, it's Hollywood.

      Also your "bit of a gap" is rapidly approaching a decade, with no end in sight.

      There are a few ends in sight. One of them is called Dragon 2, another is Dream Chaser, another is Orion, another is CST-100.

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    23. Re:Not worried by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      no end in sight? SpaceX will launch humans next summer, assuming that they have solved their major issue.

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    24. Re:Not worried by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      currently, the mars series on Nat Geo.

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    25. Re: Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2010. USA needs a ride to Jupiter.

    26. Re: Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't help that the Chinese space program, and to a lesser extent the Russian program, are not very transparent. It's tought to write a movie or documentary about a program that doesn't let outsiders in to learn about them.

    27. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but the movie Meteor included a major role for the Russians. As in, the mission could not be accomplished without them, and the Russians were equal partners too.

      Not quite a blockbuster movie, and it was American actors doing Russian accents. However it had major stars in it and decent Sfx for the era.

    28. Re:Not worried by tsotha · · Score: 1

      You're really trying to jam a round peg into a square hole here. Brajlovsky and Orlov were both good characters, and the entire plot revolved around the proposition the Russians could get to Jupiter while the US couldn't. You really have to be drowning in anti-US sentiment to see the movie the way you see it.

    29. Re:Not worried by tsotha · · Score: 1

      The Chinese manned space effort as a serious enterprise is virtually brand new, too. China didn't put a man in space until 2003.

    30. Re:Not worried by tsotha · · Score: 1

      The shuttle had a problem having to meet military requirements because NASA could only make the numbers work by hijacking the Air Force's launch budget. Congress should never have allowed it.

    31. Re:Not worried by murdocj · · Score: 1

      You seem to be very concerned with your butt. Hope it's not paining you too much. Trust me, no one is the USA is particularly worried about not being able to send astronauts into low earth orbit. We're too busy checking out the latest feed from Jupiter.

    32. Re:Not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooo...your mad that some movies produced in Hollywood (also known as part of America) have sympathetic/patriotic undertones for America.... ....got it.

  9. When was the last time you saw Made in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it wasn't rusted on the side of the road, or a burned up shard in a tree?

    1. Re:When was the last time you saw Made in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time you saw Made in Russia

      Well, NASA astronauts see it every time they go into space now.

  10. clarifying this garbage article by nimbius · · Score: 0

    Since 1957, Russia has launched over 3,000 rockets -- roughly twice as many as the U.S.

    not all were commercial, the majority were transport ICBMs for nuclear payload. the ones youre concerned with are called Proton rockets. 98 have ever been launched, 10 have failed. an 89% success rate isnt the best, but its cheaper than Falcon 9 and has seen 12 times as much service.

    But with the Russian economy in crisis

    you cant have it both ways. either russia is evil and must have sanctions imposed upon it by your nation, or russia is a trusted partner in your space program. make up your mind.

    The U.S. space agency, NASA, received a budget of $19.3 billion in 2016 alone.

    not sure why you mentioned it in the article at all. its still less than the russian budget by 2 billion.

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    1. Re:clarifying this garbage article by kiviQr · · Score: 2

      Russia funding is for the next decade while US is for 2016

    2. Re: clarifying this garbage article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because thd American budget is fof 1 year and the Russian for 10?

    3. Re:clarifying this garbage article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "not sure why you mentioned it in the article at all. its still less than the russian budget by 2 billion."

      The $21.5 billion Russian budget is for the next _decade_! The US $19.3 billion is just for 2016. Not 2 billion less.

    4. Re:clarifying this garbage article by mydn · · Score: 2

      not sure why you mentioned it in the article at all. its still less than the russian budget by 2 billion

      Funding for the next decade of Russian space activity stands at just 1.4 trillion rubles ($21.5 billion)

      Emphasis added.

  11. Yes, and no. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From TFS: Russia has been the undisputed leader in annual launch rates -- a figure that spoke to the general health of its space program and aerospace industry.

    It also speaks to the billions of rubles pumped into the programs by the government (not usually seen as a sign of health). It also speaks to the higher failure rate and generally shorter lifespans of the payloads launched.

    1. Re:Yes, and no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsflash, the Soyuz rocket has one of the best safety records of any rocket system in the world. It's the gold standard for man-rated LEO rockets. Compared to the abysmal safety record of the Space Shuttle, it's like trusting your life to a Volvo vs. a Pinto.

    2. Re:Yes, and no. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Newsflash: Soyuz isn't a rocket.

    3. Re:Yes, and no. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Newsflash : Space isn't a Shuttle.

  12. Re:Trump / Putin 2016 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    There may be a bit of truth to that. Trump may relax sanctions on Russia in exchange for a Syrian draw-down or concessions. (Obama appeared to reject such a deal, taking sanction reduction off the Syria table.)

    That kind of deal would boost Russia's economy, and give them more tax money for their space program.

  13. Russian economy looking up by Aryk · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, they've been talking to a real estate developer who has a inside line on an investment property that will be 'great again' soon.

  14. Who finances themoscowtimes.com by khz6955 · · Score: 1

    Who finances themoscowtimes.com?

  15. NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck NASA. At least the Russians are going in the right direction.

  16. Trump / RD-180 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like America to buy more RD-180 rocket engines. No one else can manufacture a highly reliable, high isp kerosene staged combustion rocket engine at a moderate price. I guess we could use some foreign rockets to reduce demand on the RD-180s.

  17. Astronaut launch market is a small market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15! Astronauts went to space last year, on 5 different launches. Worldwide. Rocket reliability is very demanded. Let other nations have that market. Stick astronauts into a dragon, on an Atlas V, if there is a national security issue.

  18. Astronauts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really. How many *people* have NASA launched this year...

  19. In Trump's America by ghoul · · Score: 1

    Rocket launches you!!!

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  20. CCCP by transami · · Score: 1

    Its odd but sometimes I miss the Soviet Union. Seems like the U.S.A. was better for having a strong rival.

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