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Facebook Cuts Off Competitor Prisma's API Access (nymag.com)

Photo-filter app Prisma, the popular program which makes pictures and video look like painterly art, had its access to Facebook's Live Video API revoked this month. From a report on NYMag:According to Prisma, Facebook justified choking off Prisma's access by stating, "Your app streams video from a mobile device camera, which can already be done through the Facebook app. The Live Video API is meant to let people publish live video content from other sources such as professional cameras, multi-camera setups, games or screencasts." This is the implied aim of Facebook's video API, the technical entry point for producers to pump video into Facebook's network: The API is meant for broadcasting setups that are not phone-based. The problem is that none of this is explained in Facebook's documentation for developers. In fact, it states the opposite. Here is the very first question from the company's Live API FAQ: "The Live API is a data feed and the "glue" needed to create higher-quality live videos on Facebook. It allows you to send live content directly to Facebook from any camera."

65 comments

  1. How is Prisma a Facebook "competitor"? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 0

    All they do is apply neat special effects to video. How does that make them a competitor? If it encourages people to share nifty videos to Facebook, you'd think that would make them an ally.

    1. Re:How is Prisma a Facebook "competitor"? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Remember Instagram, all it did was add shitty Polaroid-like effects.

    2. Re:How is Prisma a Facebook "competitor"? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      It's better described as "denied partnership" ^^ (the /. submitters are not very good with words :P)

    3. Re:How is Prisma a Facebook "competitor"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prisma might be a "competitor" to Facebook because Facebook is currently testing their own feature to "apply neat special effects to video"

  2. Tor through the backdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So? Use your elite tech skillz to access Facebook API only through Tor. Use your elite business skills to get API access through a shell company.

  3. FU, we're Facebook by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

    We'll change the rules, or reinterpret them, any time we damn well please, and there's nothing you can do about it.

    I'm just about done with them. I'm on a "no Facebook" diet until after the holidays. We'll see if that works.

    1. Re:FU, we're Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll change the rules, or reinterpret them, any time we damn well please, and there's nothing you can do about it.

      It's their service. If you don't like their rules, don't use their API's.

    2. Re:FU, we're Facebook by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the correct phrasing is ..

      " I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further."

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    3. Re:FU, we're Facebook by timelorde · · Score: 1

      I'm on a "no Facebook since birth" diet. It's been working quite well for me.

    4. Re:FU, we're Facebook by byteherder · · Score: 1

      I think it can be summed as..

      "Facebook is evil."

    5. Re:FU, we're Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, the "no Facebook" diet is easy to swallow for friendless losers like me.

    6. Re:FU, we're Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the title should be "Facebook suffocates the little guy"

    7. Re:FU, we're Facebook by TWX · · Score: 1

      You can have friends without Facebook.

      In fact, it's much more likely that your friends are actual friends if they're not based on a Facebook-enabled relationship.

      I never bothered to get a Facebook account. Friendships that faded of their own accord are comfortably left faded. I make new friends with people that I actually have met. I don't worry about keeping tabs on what they're doing all of the time, that's what makes getting together with them actually fun; catching up over a beer or dinner or the like.

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  4. API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your company uses an API to another party's service to make your product you should seek employment somewhere else. Urgently.

    1. Re:API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the permanent recession, API startups were hobby projects done for free, and folks had day jobs to pay the bills. Now folks don't have day jobs and are desperately trying to monetize their hobbies. The giant corporations, like Facebook, are doing great, though. If you want to make a living in this economy, don't try seeking employment in jobs that don't exist. Just be a billionaire.

    2. Re:API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get what you're trying to say, but unless you are writing code for some microprocessor you build yourself, when you write an application, at the very least you are using the OS/microprocessor core APIs and the stdlib of whatever language supports your application (C, most likely).

      And no matter how smart you are, you'll have to depend on someone at some point. You don't produce your own electricity, and you don't have your own ISP.

      It's just another risk of doing business that needs to be factored in.

    3. Re: API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why open source matters. Yes, you are equally fucked if you target Windows. I wonder why they can't get developer interest in their new platforms...

    4. Re:API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I buy ten thousand boards from a manufacturer and have an SDK, that company can go under and I still have ten thousand boards...and an sdk to develop the product with. Having all your eggs in a single cloud provider basket is NOTHING like depending on a silicon vendor. The former you find a new industry to live off of, the latter you find another silicon vendor and interface with their middle ware.

    5. Re:API startups by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Way back at the dawn of time (hipster time anyway) a little company known as Citrix created WinFrame based on Microsoft's New Technology (NT 3.51) OS. To do this they negotiated the access with Microsoft and all was well with the world. Citrix's product was well received and catapulted them to software star status. Sadly when it came time to negotiate for the NT 4.0 product Microsoft initially refused but later agreed but demanded a tribute in the form of a license to use the WinFrame MultiWin technology. And that, boys and girls, is how the world works.

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    6. Re:API startups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why god and the US government gave us anti-trust laws. Facebook is a monopoly player. They can't do this under the anti-trust laws. They can pick and choose who can and cant use an API on the basis that one user may or may not be a competitor to their product. Monopolists cant discriminate like that. They did this on the basis of either zero legal advice or very bad legal advice of they figured Prisma being a Russian company cant do jack to them in the US or anywhere they care about or they just have no money to press the litigation that is duly warranted here.

    7. Re:API startups by TWX · · Score: 1

      Anti-trust protection is only as good as the court decisions that challenge the perceived bad-apples.

      I can see Facebook arguing that there are other social mediums out there. Hell, technically Myspace still even exists. As such they're not an actual monopoly even if they're by-far the largest player. This kind of logic is what continued to allow Microsoft to do ill, they were not the only company making an OS and software, so they were able to argue in some instances that they were not a true horizontal monopoly.

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    8. Re:API startups by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You don't have to have 100% marketshare to be an "actual monopoly", according to the laws, just an overwhelming marketshare with too much power.

      Your first sentence was 100% correct: anti-trust protection is only as good as the court decisions. We saw this firsthand in 1999/2000 with the Microsoft trial: they were ruled an abusive monopoly (and with less than 100% marketshare remember), but then GWB took over and the DOJ dropped the case, so there was zero punishment. It had nothing to do with being a "true horizontal monopoly", it had everything to do with corruption in the government. If GWB hadn't won, most likely MS would have been broken up. The Judge really hated them and wanted to throw the book at them.

  5. Innovators stifling innovation?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh-oh! Trouble in hipster paradise!

  6. Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another "evil" megacorporation.

  7. Re: Slashdot whining about FB, surprise, surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook dev here. You are partially correct.

  8. FAQ Seems Clear by Luthair · · Score: 1

    The FAQ does not imply the opposite, it pretty much explicitly says its for other HQ cameras.

    1. Re:FAQ Seems Clear by 1080bogus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the point was that a lot of smartphones are capable of high-quality videos. Facebook's response basically said the API wasn't meant for streaming through mobile devices (smartphones) while the FAQ says any camera, which one would assume would include smartphones.

  9. Re:Slashdot whining about FB, surprise, surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been waiting for more whining from Slashdot, because they're no longer verified on Facebook. I saw the complaining there, and the ridiculous conspiracy theory that it's because of the stories about fake news. Most of the time, I'd assume it's just an error on the part of Facebook and a lot of butthurt from Slashdot. However, it's probably more likely that Facebook didn't want to verify another mouthpiece for the DNC when the DNC already has a Facebook page.

    We are developer of mobile apps based in Mumbai with office too in Orlando, USA.

  10. Re:Slashdot whining about FB, surprise, surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you like a cookie?

  11. this is why we cant have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is why all large companies want to own one or more layers of the infrastructure and/or ecosystem. Then this shit cannot happen to you. And they all know it will happen, because they will all do it to someone else without giving it a second thought.

  12. I Miss the Open Web by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook can do whatever it wants. It built and maintains the walled garden. They have spent millions in tech and marketing, and I don't begrudge them flexing their muscles and blocking whomever they feel threatens them. I wish industry had moved in a different direction (more and more companies aren't even building websites anymore, they are relying solely on social presences), but so it goes. There will one day come a reckoning and a backlash, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. You've got a full generation of Marketing Chuckleheads who learned FB and Twitter as "The Way" at university, and it'll take a while for them to be convinced enough to unlearn everything their parents paid north of $100K for them to study.

    1. Re:I Miss the Open Web by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      +1 Informative

    2. Re:I Miss the Open Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will one day come a reckoning and a backlash, but I don't think it'll be anytime soon.

      And when it does, it may be the equivalent of public access TV.

      Social media is garbage. Insanely popular garbage. What comes next will still be garbage, but it will stink even worse and the stench will intoxicate all the more people. I see no reason to hope that hyper commercialized content will fail to dominate viewership, even if alternatives are always available.

      But hey, I'm a gawd-damned optimist.

    3. Re:I Miss the Open Web by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I agree. Facebook is allowed to control their API and terms of service. The real shame is that we've all allowed ourselves to be penned into proprietary/closed "social networking" sites for our communications.

    4. Re:I Miss the Open Web by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Nice, albeit self-centered rant, but you have the reading comprehension of a knob. Also, you wrote "sheeple," so we deduct 10 points.

  13. I suspect it's a Fake News crapfest reaction by tlambert · · Score: 0

    I suspect it's a Fake News crapfest reaction.

    Riddle me this, Batman:

    How do I tell a real video, adulterated by Prisma, from an already adulterated video, further adulterated by Prisma?

    OK, now suppose I'm Facebook, and I want the video uploaded to be obviously adulterated/non-adulterated, so I can sell my services as the video equivalent of a Reuters or an AP NewsWire source... do we think MSNBC or Fox or ABC or CBS or Reuters or CNN will pay fro Prisma'ed content?

    1. Re:I suspect it's a Fake News crapfest reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Prisma connects to the Facebook through a special API key. The Prisma app supports videos from the cell phone, so Facebook has revoked the Prisma API key. This blocks all videos from Prisma.

      Your question is pointless. It doesn't matter if the video is altered or not, it matters who is doing the upload. No uploads from Prisma are allowed (probably because Facebook is about to release a similar feature).

      ~Batman.

    2. Re:I suspect it's a Fake News crapfest reaction by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Prisma connects to the Facebook through a special API key.

      I'm aware how the API key system works.

      The Prisma app supports videos from the cell phone,

      Predominately adulterated video. Because otherwise, you'd use the Facebook App, because you wouldn't be using any of the Prisma features to make it "hip", "kool", "rad", and "gnarly".

      so Facebook has revoked the Prisma API key. This blocks all videos from Prisma.

      Yes, I'm also aware of how key revocation was used to block Prisma.

      Your question is pointless. It doesn't matter if the video is altered or not, it matters who is doing the upload. No uploads from Prisma are allowed (probably because Facebook is about to release a similar feature).

      The question is not pointless. Prisma's primary users are people who are adding "effects" to the video. Otherwise they'd be using the Facebook App. The entire purpose of Prisma in the 99% use case is to adulterate the videos, making them useless as news content.

      Facebook has been getting shat upon, because apparently every Democrat in California was stupid enough to buy all the "fake news" content as if it was real, and then they went out and cast their votes for Trump. The only reason Clinton got any votes in California at all is apparently because she paid off Diebold.

      Or in less inflammatory rhetoric: the Democrats are butthurt because Clinton loss, and they're blaming Facebook and anyone else they can, other than themselves, for running an unlikeable corporate tool.

      It's entirely doubtful that Facebook wants a similar tool, since it would also mean that they could not sell crowdsourced footage of things like the Ferguson events to the likes of MSNBC.

      Check the terms and conditions on your video uploads: the license allows you to sell them, because it's non-exclusive, but it *also* allows Facebook to sell them, too. As in: to news agencies. Prisma destroys their value as news content.

  14. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i bet you sound like a retarded speak-n-spell in real life

  15. Platform is better than Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This should be a lesson for anybody that develops an application based on a platform that they don't control; it's as if nobody learned nothing from "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run" Microsoft era experiences.

    If you don't control the platform, the platform owner can cut off your air supply at any moment. When working with a giant, they have the resources to replicate whatever you're doing immediately. So FB, Google, all other platforms are using all the startups on their platform as brute-force approach to success - everybody tries something, if something succeed, first they replicate it, and then cut the air to the original app. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish 2.0 Social Edition.

    1. Re:Platform is better than Application by tekrat · · Score: 1

      Most of the people developing for Facebook were not even born when "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run" happened.

      That's the problem right there.

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    2. Re:Platform is better than Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the ones born when "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run" were probably let go because they were old enough to remember it.

      This is what happens when companies let go of experienced employees in order to gain youthful ones.

  16. I graduated pre-Facebook by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm on an "I graduated and lost my .edu email address before there even was a Facebook" diet. Does that make me suspicious?

    1. Re:I graduated pre-Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my day there was not such thing a .edu. :)

    2. Re:I graduated pre-Facebook by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      I'm on an "I graduated and lost my .edu email address before there even was a Facebook" diet. Does that make me suspicious?

      I graduated before we even had email addresses.

      [Yorkshiremen]
      why, when I was in school, I had a VT-05 and was glad of the 300 baud
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  17. Re:Only apps can app apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave App Guy Alone!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  18. Wah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is why developing for F-Book and iDevice sucks; both companies are quick to shut you out of their platforms if they think you might one day compete with their products.

    1. Re:Wah by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's true, however all the masses of rubes out there love these platforms and refuse to give them up no matter how abusive they get, so developers target them anyway, hoping to capitalize on the popularity of these platforms, much like pets will eagerly await crumbs falling off their masters' tables.

  19. Umm, this is an anti-trust suit in the making by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook enjoys a monopoly position. They literally cant do what they just did. Prisma is a Russian company too. The Russkie anti-monopoly agency will do very nasty things to Facebook over this. They've been looking for an excuse to kick them out of the country as is.

    1. Re:Umm, this is an anti-trust suit in the making by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You literally used literally incorrectly, you illiterate loser.

  20. Facebook 95 by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    Facebook's arrogance is past that of Microsoft at the height of their evilness. They have a choice as to whether or not to be a bag of dicks or have a model based on growing through inclusiveness with a long-term but flexible plan. They chose bag of dicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  21. Re: Slashdot whining about FB, surprise, surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thanks, but I'll take your job instead.

  22. FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft was by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    It is high time that a lot of these internet giants get some hard scrutiny from the justice department on anti-monopoly grounds, similar to what Microsoft got after they destroyed Netscape by bundling IE. FB is a defacto monopoly on social media, as evidenced by the failure of Google plus, my space etc. Since they are a defacto monopoly, cutting off another company's access to their API is an illegal anti-competitive move and they should get slammed hard for it.

    I would love to see some federal legislation as well defining that your personal posts, pictures and other content you create on social media is inseparably yours and cannot be owned or given away to FB or anyone else. Also, a requirement to make all the information downloadable in a consistent, standard format for offline archive or transfer to another service would be helpful. The legislation this week protecting negative reviews from corporate interference was a good step. The sad fact is that the liberal internet giants like Google and FB have been humping Obama's leg for the last 8 years, where Democrats used to be watching out for individual rights, now they are just as bought and paid for by big business as Republicans, just different businesses.

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  23. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by lpq · · Score: 1

    I was wondering how FB's actions are not anti-competitive, but it's because they don't pretty much own the market like MS did at that time. Due to the ultra-conservatives having disposed of the old FTC and replaced them with people who's only qualification was to support the, then, current administration, it makes it less likely that they would even know what to do if they wanted to.

  24. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    WTF makes you think the Justice Department gives a rat's ass about this? If the DOJ doesn't feel like pursuing an anti-trust case against Microsoft (even at the height of their abusive monopoly with IE6 back in 1999), what makes you think a conservative Trump DOJ is going to care about Facebook? (Or, if Hillary somehow wins the Electoral College election, that her DOJ would care?)

    Face it: we're on our own with these abusive companies. If we want to keep them in line, we have to be willing to vote with our feet. We have proven, over and over and over, that we are simply not willing to do that.

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  26. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

    I consider twitter and reddit and *cough* usenet *cough* and *cough* the entire rest of the internet *cough* to be more significant competitors to facebook than the competitors to microsquish were back in the netscape navigator days.

    Back in the day, without microsquish, ordinary folk couldn't reasonably *use a computer*. Apples and Oranges. Thank God for the relative - if not total world dominating - success FOSS has enjoyed since then.

  27. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    I guess maybe you were still in diapers back then, but MS was investigated by the DOJ and subsequently sued by the DOJ:

    "The company barely escaped being split up after it was ruled an unlawful monopolist in 2000 for using its stranglehold on the PC market with its Windows operating system to cripple competitors, such as Netscape’s Navigator Web browser.

    A court settlement approved in 2002 and a consent decree curbing some of its practices saved Microsoft."

    http://www.seattletimes.com/bu...

    FB, Apple, etc. are pulling the same bullshit and so far Obama, a Democrat, has done zero about it because they are all run by big liberals.

    Also, just be aware that Trump is not a conservative, he is a populist, which is significantly different in that he is specifically looking for what is best for the people rather than what is best for big business (being against TPP is one example of him being a populist). So you may very well be surprised by what he does, but because he has been such a loose cannon on the campaign trail we will literally have to wait and see what he actually does in office.

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  28. Obligatory PRISM Propaganda References by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1
    In case this happens to be a sly attempt to muddle the public's long term memory of the relationship between PRISM (not Prisma) and Facebook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29

    The documents identified several technology companies as participants in the PRISM program, including Microsoft in 2007, Yahoo! in 2008, Google in 2009, Facebook in 2009, Paltalk in 2009, YouTube in 2010, AOL in 2011, Skype in 2011 and Apple in 2012.[23]

  29. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    ... in that he is specifically looking for what is best for the people

    You are correct that he's no conservative, but this is just bullshit. Trump is a Trumpist. He doesn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks or wants. He, like any politician, will tell you what you want to hear to get your vote, but he doesn't give a shit about saying the opposite to the guy standing next to you. He has no shame at all, and only cares about himself.

    Presidential elections have been a popularity contest since at least the advent of television. Trump, for all his intellectual failings, instinctively understands this, and he capitalized on it. Clinton, for all her skill and experience in politics, has none as an entertainer.

  30. Hold on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook Cuts Off Competitor Prisma's API Access, since they own the goddamn thing in the first place and can do whatever they want with it.

    ^ FTFY

  31. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

    Facebook is VASTLY easier to avoid than the Microsoft monopoly ever was. A windows tax was added to nearly every computer, even ones that shipped without any os at all. They used their monopoly to make using almost any other product that competes with their painful. They leveraged the OS to push their browser and it worked until VERY recently.

    Facebook is fairly easy to avoid and pretty much no pressure related to it.

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  32. Re:FB is a de facto monopoly, just like Microsoft by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    Your statement as well as mine is speculation. Yours is based on bullshit hysteria put out by the Democratic party, mine is based on what Trump has said and done since winning. The jury is still out on the long term, but it does appear that he genuinely wants to help people (see what he just did for Carrier employees who were going to get outsourced to Mexico). He is not even the president yet and he has already saved 1000 jobs at a cost of $700/employee per year in incentives to the employer. The state will easily make that back in taxes from those employees and revenue from having the Carrier plant stay in the state.

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