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Facebook Knows What You're Streaming (bloomberg.com)
Facebook is gathering information about the shows Roku and Apple TV owners are streaming. The company then uses the Facebook profile linked to the same IP addresses to tailor the commercials that are shown to individual users. From a report on Bloomberg: For the past few weeks, the social network says, it's been targeting ads to people streaming certain shows on their Roku or Apple TV set-top boxes. It customizes commercials based on the Facebook profiles tied to the IP addresses doing the streaming, according to a company spokesman. He says Facebook is trying out this approach with the A&E network (The Killing, Duck Dynasty) and streaming startup Tubi TV, selecting free test ads for nonprofits or its own products along with a handful of name brands. This push is part of a broader effort by social media companies to build their revenue with ads on video. Twitter is placing much of its ad-sales hopes on streaming partnerships with sports leagues and other content providers. In October, CFO Anthony Noto told analysts on an earnings call that the ads played during Twitter's NFL Thursday Night Football streaming exclusives had been especially successful, with many people watching them in their entirety with the sound turned on. The participants in these partnerships don't yet have a default answer to questions such as who should be responsible for selling the ads or who should get which slice of revenue.
by never creating a FB account. Fuck you Zuck.
if you haven't already...
How are Facebook even able to see what other devices on your LAN are doing? Have they made some deal with ISPs or something? Does this shock headline silently presume everyone necessarily controls their Roku or AppleTv through a cellphone with a facebook app running on it?
In October, CFO Anthony Noto told analysts on an earnings call that the ads played during Twitter's NFL Thursday Night Football streaming exclusives had been especially successful, with many people watching them in their entirety with the sound turned on.
Shouldn't the ads only be considered "successful" if there is an accompanying quantifiable uptick in purchases for those products that can be attributed to those ads? All this data collection just to sell more and more ads-has anyone ever shown that they actually work?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
A friend who works at Comcast says the data on what you individually view is resold, and used to target ads. I can't recall when he first mentioned this, but it was years ago.
When are you lemmings going to get it through your apparently thick skulls that nothing Facebook has to offer you is worth the increasing invasion of your privacy that it commits against you every gods-be-damned day that you continue to use it!? Get off Facebook, NOW!
You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Zuckerberg is coming to town!
He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Zuckerberg is coming to town!
He sees what you've been streaming,
He knows demographics.
He knows when you've been bad or good,
So be good for profit's sake!
OH!...You better watch out, You better not cry
You better not pout, I'm Telling you why.
Zuckerberg is coming to town.
He sees what you've been streaming,
He knows demographics.
He knows when you've been bad or good,
So be good for profit's sake!
(Yeah, fine, I broke the rhyme scheme, oh well. Merry fucking Christmas everyone!)
Facebook knows when you're awake
Facebook knows when you've been bad or good
So click the ads for Zuckerbergs' sake
I don't run their code on my devices and I don't visit their website. Stop these pathetic attention-grabbing headlines. I thought Slashdot was above this crap.
Whereas this might be wise, Facebook has more information on you readily available than the FBI does, even if you don't have a facebook account.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Targeting ads based on search history it usually pointless.
An example:
I see constant ads about both Volkswagen cars and for tires because I recently searched for AND BOUGHT new tires for my Jetta. Yet weeks later I still see ads for both. I'm not looking for a new car and I've already bought the tires Facebook, lets move on...
... what we're screaming?
The Internet is ruined because, money.
The shareholders want asymptotic profit curves.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Do what you can to throttle it. Avoid the "center ring" socnets. Mod your browser to prevent pages from loading up the various facebook microphones (no, not literal audio mics). Tell friends and Normals who take photos you're included in not to tag you. Have at least one throwaway email address.
Even after all of this, they still know about your loli obsession.
Why?
Who gives a flying rat's ass that all these people are tracking us?
Nothing will ever stop it.
Take a deep breath and a Xanax.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
They know what you've been streaming,
;-)
They know that you're awake,
They've sold you to be advertized
So bend over and close your eyes...
Just thought I'd spread a little holiday cheer
How does Facebook know what I am streaming on my Roku or AppleTV?
Throwaway email addresses don't matter. We can use browser/connection fingerprinting to associate all your email addresses together. If you are on the Internet you are being tracked. It is a network after all.
Facebook watches over you.
Everybody loves Facebook.
Trust Facebook.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Oh yeah? And how exactly? I do not use their disservices, I do not visit their website, and I block it from visiting me. So how did they get their hands on all this information, and for what reason?
No, you can't, because a nice feature of fingerprinting is that changing one of the variables changes the fingerprint, which means spoofing useragent and rotating between a couple dozen every 5 minutes is enough to throw browser fingerprinting off. Especially if you disable javascript and your browser doesn't send them 90% of the information they want to use.
Just use Tor to access FB. Messes up their "id by ip", and helps additionally anonymize tor users by reason of the volume.
Oh yeah? And how exactly? I do not use their disservices, I do not visit their website, and I block it from visiting me. So how did they get their hands on all this information, and for what reason?
Buying, selling, and trading data. They have listeners on millions of web pages that send information back to facebook tracking what pages you go to. You can never go to facebook and they're still tracking you.
Why? They're an ad company. You don't even need to go to Facebook to be served ads from facebook, and if you ever do join, they already have a comprehensive database on you tailor made to target you.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
There's so many layers of integration, collaboration, automation, that you're not throwing one futile ("doesn't matter") wrench into one machine, you're throwing several at thousands of machines. Databases like matching points, they'll throw every incidental hint of overlap into the algorithm if they can. Profile#748c03abd3 and Profile#92bc324de81 show 41% relevance of being a common UUID, with mediocre contributions like "browser user agent similarities", but we just bought freeflashgames.fun and we're about to dump the whole thing into the sifter, emails being one more data point.
You'll never win, no, but you'll shake some things off. Most will be of minimal impact on your life, but so is recycling a piece of paper - throw the wrenches on principle.
All these marketroids work so damn hard to track where people are going and what they're looking at through painstaking forensic analysis of, like, picosecond differentials of access modalities and, like, transliminal modulation of ultrasonic speaker spectrum spreads.
And it's all completely fucking unnecessary, because the kind of people who are swayed by online ads will happily tell you what brands they like if you ask them. In fact, sometimes it's harder to get them to stop telling you about their commercial brand loyalties, as I have learned to my dismay at various Thanksgiving celebrations I've attended.
Good to know they're personalizing the commercials that I mute and look away from.
Remember kids just deciding not to use Facebook does not stop facebook from stalking you as you move from site to site.
It is also necessary to blackhole their domains. While not perfect this works in practice because the world of cyber stalking is powered by indifference. It comes down to either painlessly injected cross site bugs or nothing for most sites. Site operators can't even be bothered to run their own stats packages anymore.
Let's remember one of the premises of the story (because it's a fucking doozy): the people in question are ok with seeing ads in their videos. These users are using proprietary streaming boxes to fetch videos and ads. Let that sink in, because if this doesn't sounds like something you would do, then the premise doesn't apply to you. But can you agree that it's something that many people do, and without hesitation?
Given that the users in question are ok with ads, why not have them be targeted, rather than untargeted? Seriously, if you accept that ads are ok, aren't targeted ads the best ads, from the viewer's PoV?
Near as I can tell, the only reason people don't like targeted ads, is that it reminds them of the fact that they're being surveilled. People are borderline ok with being surveilled, but feel creeped out whenever you remind them of it.
So, for example, it's totally ok to violate the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches, but as soon as the government mentions what it found in court, whoa there! That's pretty much the only time anyone cares about the 4th amendment.
Take my picture dozens of times whenever I'm outside, but even though I know those photos exist, I better not ever see them!
You can build up a profile of me, and there's basically nothing I'm not ok with you knowing about me, but show me what you know by displaying an ad tailored to my preferences, and you're crossing the line. Can't you just subtly charge me some extra money here'n'there based on what you know about me? If my insurance goes up a few percent because you saw me near some bars, or because some app tracking my coordinates figured out that I must have exceeded a speed limit, no problem. I don't need to know why my insurance cost 3% extra this period -- I'd prefer not knowing, right? But showing me an ad for what just happens to be my favorite beer, or for a store that just happens to be on my route, THAT'S CREEPY!
As long as I'm not confronted with it, I don't have to acknowledge it. And I don't want to to that, because I'm an American, i.e. a coward.
Are there any ISP out there who rotate or shuffle IP adresses?
It should be easy to do periodically.
I remember that in the early days of cable modem internet my IP address was changing from time to time.
Now it seems much more stable.
Try it! Library of Babel
because a nice feature of fingerprinting is that changing one of the variables changes the fingerprint, which means spoofing useragent and rotating between a couple dozen every 5 minutes is enough to throw browser fingerprinting off.
Translation: I've made my browser even more unique, therefore they have no idea who I am!!!!!1!!1111!1
"His name was James Damore."
If you're REALLY obsessed by this, force using IPv6 on your WiFi network.
Not only are IPv6 addresses typically NOT NAT'd (they'll share a prefix that's ISP dependent but not the whole address), but properly configured devices will vary their IPv6 addresses over time.
Of course, this solution will break other parts of your App/Web experience - especially if you disable IPv4 on your WiFi. And it's going to require you to build your own router. But FreeBSD with two ethernet ports does that just fine - and I suppose Linux could be beat into shape to do so too.
Prove it, prove it, prove it, PROVE IT. I hear you fuckers say this shit all the time but where's the proof? Show me where this information is and how to access it or STFU and admit you're trolling.
None of this shit for me thanks. I mainly just use wikipedia and archive.org for my searches as well. Just fuck all of this.
I suffer^W enjoy ad blindness. For one reason or another I seem to lose focus each time an ad shows up, regardless of location. It just registers as a patch of noise. Now, technically, I have focus issues in general as I tend to go inside my head quite regularly, but ads seems to be the pinnacle of this syndrome.
"Everybody's naked underneath" -- The Doctor