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China's New 'Social Credit Score' Law Means Full Access To Customer Data (insurancejournal.com)
AnonymousCube shares this quote about China's new 'Social Credit Score' law from an insurance industry magazine:
"Companies are also required to give government investigators complete access to their data if there is suspected wrong-doing, and Internet operators must cooperate in any national security or crime-related investigation."
Note that China has an extremely flexible definition of "national security". Additionally computer equipment will need to undergo mandatory certification, that could involve giving up source code, encryption keys, or even proprietary intellectual data, as Microsoft has been doing for some time.
The article suggests businesses like insurers "will likely see the cost of complying with this new action as a disincentive to conducting business in China."
Note that China has an extremely flexible definition of "national security". Additionally computer equipment will need to undergo mandatory certification, that could involve giving up source code, encryption keys, or even proprietary intellectual data, as Microsoft has been doing for some time.
The article suggests businesses like insurers "will likely see the cost of complying with this new action as a disincentive to conducting business in China."
'Note that China has an extremely flexible definition of "national security"."
Like any state doesn't. Pretty well almost anything that embarrasses the government or makes the state look bad is included, which is a pretty low bar.
It's sad when a social institution - whether it be a nation, the local society of hairdressers and aestheticians, or the church - is considered more important than people, particularly when justice is involved..
Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
Trump is too busy starting a war with China by talking to Taiwan.
Yeah, that's the last straw. Taking a congratulatory phone call from a foreign leader is totally going to push China into attacking us. But the Obama administration selling Taiwan billions of dollars worth of sophisticated weapons systems, that's nothing that the Chinese would worry about.
Do you even listen to yourself?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
The US government doesn't rate its citizens on a scale of social credit. Nor does it censor news media or social media. Nor does it condition its citizens' financial or economic prospects based on its surveillance of them. Moral relativism is fine and dandy in a left-wing bubble but when it tells you that the Chinese government is morally indistinguishable from the US government, you've got yourself a bit of a problem.
do-not-fly list says you're full of shit.
U.S. government has a bigger body count of innocents than China.
Enforced reduction in religion has allowed technocratic elite to operate
Over the last 35 years, China has experienced faster economic growth than any other country in history. This demonstrates the strength of authoritarianism, as technocrats have been about to manage the country based on sound principles rather than what is democratically popular.
But things are rapidly changing, and beginning to show the downside of authoritarianism. Xi Jinping is sidelining the technocrats, stuffing the central committee with his cronies, encouraging "socialist thinking", and promoting a personality cult. The real test will come in 2022, when he is legally required to step down. Will he? Or will he insist on retaining power "for the good of the country"?
BS, the U.S. has allies all over the world, Russia has squat except the near abroad countries they've bullied into subservience. No one trusts that little sawed off runt, Putin and his ego...except an ignorant git like Trump.
Over the last 35 years, China has experienced faster economic growth than any other country in history
Only if ghost cities count as economic growth.
This demonstrates the strength of authoritarianism, as technocrats have been about to manage the country based on sound principles rather than what is democratically popular.
Right - things people actually want, and will buy and use, are democratically popular. Economic "activity" involving makework projects that benefit no one except the technocrats, and those willing to game the system, has grown by leaps and bounds.
It's all bullshit. Outside of some tech companies that are actual capitalist successes, it's all the world's biggest bubble.
Consumers know what they want and need better than any central planner. Thus is ever was, and thus it shall ever be.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I know it's behind a paywall, but the WSJ had a very interesting article about China's implementation of Social Credit:
China’s New Tool for Social Control: A Credit Rating for Everything
They are apparently having a significant amount of trouble actually implementing the system because of the sheer amount of data.
Apparently Ant (div of Alibaba) is playing a pretty big role in this, too:
A credit-scoring service by Alibaba affiliate Ant Financial Services—one of eight companies approved to pilot commercial experiments with social-credit scoring—assigns ratings based on information such as when customers shop online, what they buy and what phone they use. If users opt in, the score can also consider education levels and legal records. Perks in the past for getting high marks have included express security screening at the Beijing airport, part of an Ant agreement with the airport.
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When the objective is clear, as in when your population haven't got basic appliances or sufficient housing, it's much more efficient to take an engineer's approach to the problem than allowing every tom dick and harry clutter up decision making with their combined ignorance and stupidity. Look at e.g. Singapore. Autocracy is what propelled it upwards out of the marsh it was in.
Also. successful companies don't operate by popular vote either.
There comes a point when the road ahead is less clear ... and there free societies have the advantage because they can afford to try everything and keep what is good.