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Does Windows 10's Data Collection Trade Privacy For Microsoft's Security? (pcworld.com)
jader3rd shares an article from PC World arguing that Windows 10's data collection "trades your privacy for Microsoft's security."
[Anonymized] usage data lets Microsoft beef up threat protection, says Rob Lefferts, Microsoft's director of program management for Windows Enterprise and Security. The information collected is used to improve various components in Windows Defender... For example, Windows Defender Application Guard for Microsoft Edge will put the Edge browser into a lightweight virtual machine to make it harder to break out of the browser and attack the operating system. With telemetry, Microsoft can see when infections get past Application Guard defenses and improve the security controls to reduce recurrences.
Microsoft also pulls signals from other areas of the Windows ecosystem, such as Active Directory, with information from the Windows 10 device to look for patterns that can indicate a problem like ransomware infections and other attacks. To detect those patterns, Microsoft needs access to technical data, such as what processes are consuming system resources, hardware diagnostics, and file-level information like which applications had which files open, Lefferts says. Taken together, the hardware information, application details, and device driver data can be used to identify parts of the operating system are exposed and should be isolated into virtual containers.
The article points out that unlike home users, enterprise users of Windows 10 can select a lower level of data-sharing, but argues that enterprises "need to think twice before turning off Windows telemetry to increase corporate privacy" because Windows Update won't work without information about whether previous updates succeeded or failed.
Microsoft also pulls signals from other areas of the Windows ecosystem, such as Active Directory, with information from the Windows 10 device to look for patterns that can indicate a problem like ransomware infections and other attacks. To detect those patterns, Microsoft needs access to technical data, such as what processes are consuming system resources, hardware diagnostics, and file-level information like which applications had which files open, Lefferts says. Taken together, the hardware information, application details, and device driver data can be used to identify parts of the operating system are exposed and should be isolated into virtual containers.
The article points out that unlike home users, enterprise users of Windows 10 can select a lower level of data-sharing, but argues that enterprises "need to think twice before turning off Windows telemetry to increase corporate privacy" because Windows Update won't work without information about whether previous updates succeeded or failed.
So we are all essentially honeypots for Microsoft Security. Good to know.
Next question. Do I get to see the telemetry of Microsoft employees since I or my employer is the one paying their salaries?
After all, seeing how they use Windows 10 might help my organization improve its service to its customers.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
What is a Microsoft talking head going to say? That Windows sucks to high heaven and that it does not spy more thoroughly into users because it can't? That would be news, for nerds or anybody else; this is not news, for nerds or anybody else.
Telemetry should be able to be switched off entirely, on all Windows installs, so that our right to privacy in respected. Many of the apps that I use include telemetry but I only use those that provide an option to disable their telemetry, even though I will allow telemetry from some trusted apps. MS have repeated demonstrated that they cannot be trusted and it is scary that the released an entire OS that is actually spyware. In any case, it means that Windows 7 will be the last version I allow to be installed on any computer I own.
If Windows update doesn't work without telemetry, that is a demonstration of MS incompetence and a very bad design decision. Linux is my main OS and it sends no telemetry for updates, while still managing to install updates. Those Linux updates also cover every piece of software I have installed in that OS, not just OS updates.
Because that could be done with a fairly small number of users, no need to spy on all of them. Anyways, while I would pay money for Win10, it would have to be the LTSB-version, because spying can be fully turned off and no new "features" all the time. As at the moment there seems to be no way to get LTSB as private user or small business, I will stay on Win7 for anything that needs Windows (Office, gaming) and try to move everything else to Linux, where I at least have control over what gets sent to the distro (nothing). In the worst case I will get a gaming-only PC with Win10 (no email, no browsing, no work) in a few years, jail Office in a no-network Win7 VM and do everything else on Linux.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Helping the creators and coders of the OPERATING SYSTEM you use though the use of limited anonymous data it can only help.
Until they happen upon some supposedly anonymous data that ends up connecting you personally to WrongThink. Of course, your "re-education" may be seen as a bug fix by those who decide what WrongThink is.
Windows 10 is a dildo that has been shoved up your ass. What are your preferences?
I do not want a dildo in my ass.
You don't seem to understand. Windows 10 IS a dildo that has been shoved up your ass. What are your preferences?
Eh uhhh......
You are free to set your preferred vibration times.......
Does a chicken have lips?
With Windows 10, you and your privacy are the product - sold down the road by Microsoft for commercial gain. Any potential that the OS might become more secure as a result of this data leaching is merely an unintended side effect.
Unless you say,"Microsoft knows nothing about security." They're still using compatibility code from an era before the Internet. Getting a virus anymore doesn't even require manually downloading a file.
Helping the creators and coders of the OPERATING SYSTEM you use though the use of limited anonymous data it can only help.
Until they happen upon some supposedly anonymous data that ends up connecting you personally to WrongThink. Of course, your "re-education" may be seen as a bug fix by those who decide what WrongThink is.
No amount of reasoning is going to get that jackass off of his high-horse.
You're getting upset about the wrong thing because you apparently believe that software proprietors can be trusted. Ultimately who would tell you that a particular variant of Windows allows you switch some privacy-busting feature off? The proprietor — the very party you can't trust to tell you the truth.
Structurally no proprietor is any different in this regard: they're all untrustworthy by default no matter what they tell you a feature is for, how to disable that feature, or whether you can trust them with your data. The free software movement has been saying this for decades. More recently, Windows Telemetry had a preference setting which meant nothing (any updates to which falls into the trap described above), and the underlying structural problem with proprietary software remained as-is including software you don't even know is running on a proprietary OS. Snowden also clued us all into how Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so many other businesses are "partners" with spy agencies. There's really no good reason for tech-literate people not to know better than to trust proprietary software and argue from the perspective that the proprietor should mistreat you a little less.
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The information wheter a specific update failed to install is approximately the same as knowing which files user $USER$ had opened under whatever name. Seems appropriate M$.
That's an oxymoron.
...I have one simple demand: Guarantee that it will never be used against me. Ever. For any reason. Even if somebody holds a gun to their head (e.g. national security letter). And I get to define what "used against me" means. And if my data is ever used against me, Microsoft is strictly liable to pay me one billion dollars.
If Microsoft is absolutely certain that telemetry data will never be used against the users it was collected from, these terms won't bother them.
If Microsoft has even the slightest bit of doubt, these terms will scare the hell out of them. As they should. Just like telemetry data collection scares the hell out of me.
Each key press, release and the context in which they happen is of course not available to law enforcement or random hackers siphoning data from the ever secure OS known as W* (read as dubya splat).
You're in The Matrix only instead of body heat they want your thoughts via the actions you take.
Could be
Stop skirting around the theme and get to the point: the fact that data collection is obligatory and there is no option to completely disable it is the problem itself. Data collection in Windows systems have always been there more or less, the problem is how it became something that cannot be disabled, which is bad specially for companies with sensitive data.
I don't care if Microsoft can post updates faster and enhance security with it, the way they figure that out is the company's own responsibility. Stuff like that cannot be pinned down as something users should be responsible for, specially for OSs that are still essencially commercial in nature.
This has always been the problem with data collection schemes, and it'll continue being regardless if Microsoft PR talks it'll improve the experience or not. It's the same crappy excuse that all companies that profit on data collection use. All of them say the exact same thing. So I couldn't care less on what Microsoft PR declares they'll do with it, it doesn't diminish the disgust in any way. Privacy has always been a matter of principle, not on what some company says it'll do after the fact.
If they want to go that route, fine, keep sending data back and making it harder and harder for clients to dial back on that shit. But don't expect users to change their views if they are not willing to back down. Windows 10 will keep having and deserving the image of being an OS that spy on it's users. And that's exactly what it does. It's extracting data from people's desktop, doing it's best to make that invisible, and taking away options to disable it.
Much like they forced the Windows 10 update down lots of people's throats using some very dirty tactics, there's no excuse for what they are doing with ads and with stealing user data. I don't care if they say it's anonymized or whatever, I don't want my desktop sending anything back, period. People who are against this trend don't want to hear your promises on what you'll do with the data, we don't care. We're going for alternative routes that are not opting for data collection. That's it.
Try it on hardware that hasn't had a Windows OS previously installed, it won't work for long.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Which way to the Chicken Shack, Christine?
If you subscribe to the "CIA Triad"[1] notion of information security, then Windows 10 fails on the condition of confidentiality and must be considered insecure.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Most flavors of Linux and BSD are free, too.
I have. Works fine. Windows 10 is free. You are the product.
This is all a push to get people on the subscription model. Windows 10 Enterprise can disable it, and costs $7 a month. This is what Microsoft has been working toward for quite a while, and did it already with Office 365. If you want to continue to use Windows, they either make their money off your data, or a subscription fee. It's really that simple.
Oh stop whining, shill. If Microsoft wants my data to help their business, then they can fucking PAY ME for it.
Privacy *is* security. Without privacy, you cannot have security because they are one and the same.
It won't ruin my day but it might ruin the country having a dumbass for President who throws a temper tantrum over an SNL skit. The fact that you think that behavior is OK speaks volumes about you, not me.
What's happening here in practice is that you're running a bunch of new, and possibly full of flaw network programs that probably can be exploited the hell and back.
And you can't turn em off.
So when I offer a client confidentiality, it's supposed to be between him/her and me...Oh, and those guys over there at Microsoft. The guys who have already proved they'll roll over for any of the US letter agencies (and probably the government of Communist China among many others), and who have proved in the past to be embarrassingly incapable of "not fucking up".
Not happening.
My business computers will never, ever have Windows 10 on them. And that is one of my selling points.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Don't like it? Don't use it. Stop crying and stop whining.
and no, this isn't a post about President Trump.
I don't! I stopped using Windows 10, and you know what? HIghly recommended, the telemetry is one thing, bad enough, but the fact that their updates bitch up the computer is every bit as bad.
If I have to give up my privacy, I want a computer that always works. Otherwise, it's security through inoperation.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Opposite of security - more people know your stuff.
I wonder how long it will be before we hear of an intern at Microsoft abusing credit card numbers and other harvested information.
It is a very stupid accident waiting to happen and only seems to have been done for a bit of one-upmanship on Google with their databases of search history.
Everyone would be fine with it if it was actually anonymous data. However, it's been proven time and time again the anonymousness of the data is easily uniquely identifiable.
That would never happen, like TSA would never be caught trading X-ray scans of passengers of all ages on the internet. It was designed so that's against a rule, so it wont ever occur!
How limited and how anonymous is the data? It isn't hard to get "anonymized" data like the search data AOL once put out, and start connecting the dots. Then, there is the fact that if the data exists, it can be obtained by other individuals who shouldn't have access to this.
Yes, there is a whole generation of MBAs fresh out of DeVry and other universities that teach that security has no ROI... but one can point at US solar panel makers around the early part of this decade and the fact that they were hacked dry, and then put out of business by solar panels from abroad (I won't name the country, lest my Whuffie score go down) with designs "borrowed". Security may not have ROI directly, but keeping an offshore competitor from calling every one of your clients, and offering your exact product for 50% less does have an actual return.
Their main objective is to sell more of their software. They can do it if they can make claims about their products that are attractive to their customers.
Security is a big thing for customers these days - and there is a lot of talk how this intrusion into peoples equipment is about providing better security (unproven) by compromising their privacy (known).
Peoples subconsciouses joins the dots and they have an upsell and a market advantage.
Wrong. I don't give a shit if it's anonymous or not. I do not want my actions, time or bandwidth to contribute to the monetary gain of any business without compensation. I am not free QA.
If trading privacy for security is a thing, then why is Linux so much more secure than Windows?
So you've never filled out a bug report, posted a question on a community help forum, or emailed or called tech support for anything, ever? Does everything just work right out of the box for you or you throw it away in a rage?
Never before has "those that give up freedom for security deserve neither" has been truer, and more blatantly obvious. We gave up our privacy and what did we get in return? An OS where every update has become a gamble whether it's going to boot up after again or whether we have a brick now. An OS that is STILL every bit as insecure as every predecessor.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The same can be said for most flavors of Linux, and yes, obviously they make their money another way.
With Linux, that way is consulting and additional services to people and organizations willing to pay for them. MS chose a different business model, obviously.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So you don't believe in the prison system then? Because that's an example of trading freedom for security.
It fails at the integrity and availability front as well.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Equating Windows 10 to a prison is an interesting concept, I have to give you that.
But you have it backwards. In a prison, the crooks are locked up inside while the law abiding people are on the outside and guarding them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If you use windows your entire work environment is a closed source operating system. Anything can and most likely does happen under the hood. You have no real control over what your machine does.
That the newest version started publicly collecting anonymous telemetry data changes absolutely nothing and only serves to prove that people have no idea what software can and can't do.
So you've never filled out a bug report, posted a question on a community help forum
Yes. For open source software.
or emailed or called tech support for anything, ever?
What does this have to do with me giving my time and energy to a business for free? Tech support is *supposed* to help customers as that is part of the deal when you *pay* for a product. You act as though they do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
Does everything just work right out of the box for you or you throw it away in a rage?
Again, what does this have to do with me giving my time and energy away to a business for free?
I think perhaps you need to learn how to read and how to stay on topic, but nice try at moving goalposts.
>> Does Windows 10's Data Collection Trade Privacy For Microsoft's Security?
Microsoft , privacy and security all 3 in the same sentence.
That can't be. Microsoft does not trade anything. Microsoft takes.
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>> Telemetry should be able to be switched off entirely, on all Windows installs
Wou'll wonder, it actually is. Just push 5 seconds on the button with the circle open at the top with a vertical bar entering in it.
When this button shows a light, Telemetry is active, no light means no telemetry.
Simple as that, MS implemented the UI right this time.
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You can't have garantees.
Use Linux.
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Lol, not a bad idea. Like nazis used to turn off electricity in whole blocks to see if the resistance transmitter stops working. Screw up updates to half of computers, see if what you want to stop has stopped. Divide, conquer :)
In a few decades of failing updates you will know who is doing it, totally worth it right?
MS: "Gosh we feel awful about it, but this is gonna hurt you a lot worse than it hurts us."
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
No, just no! If a company puts lead in their products, you are not just saying that you should stop buying them. And if the law does not forbid the sales of lead in the consumer products, you do not say 'oh well'. You change the law.
So if they are allowed to do this and it is wrong, you need to change the law to handle that wrong, so it becomes forbidden.
Now if they would at least make it opt-out by default, they could offer some incentive for people to opt-in, then there should be no problem. All they need to do is say "you get Office free for one month longer" or the like.
Until then: they are wrong and the law should forbid these opt-ins. Not just talking about Mickeysoft. This goes for all companies.
And the data should not be allowed to be sold. Again, talking about all companies.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
and so useful for them, how come they release so MANY patches that fuck up the computer? shouldnt all the data they collect help them release less shitty updates like, when we were on w7 and they did not fuck up updates and we had no telemetry?
the fact is their system is less stable than it was in the past, and the spying is just spying, nothing else, it doesnt help windows defender, it does not help with malware or anything, their w10 boxes getting broken constantly proves that
pd. people that use w10 home or pro at home instead of a pirated version of w10 enterprise have no self respect, its not just about the privacy, its that when windows update fucks the computer, windows update wont fix the computer, you will. At least install something that gives you control of both telemetry and updates so you end up having control of the data on it and when its able to boot up, because your time is valuable, you should not be fixing a computer other people broke unless thats your fucking job
Works just fine. In fact My old 2nd gen I3 asus works better.
Has anyone ever read what many apps collect in information? I can understand a OS collecting some information such as errors, crashes, and other data that is possibly device specific but hardly giving out personal information. Unlike some apps which ask you to allow access to contacts, phone number, email, and other personal data, or the many who share plenty of personal data on sites like Facebook. But as with all this stuff, you have the option of not using it if it bothers you that much on what they collect. But good luck finding much that doesn't share information or collect data in some form.
No - it just sucks privacy.
Someone has to be an adult in the relationship. It is clear that MSFT is not, so customers should reject it. If large customers reject all the spying, then it will be removed.
For home users, MSFT really never listens, so we only have 1 choice. Drop the OS. That is really too bad because before sucking all that privacy, it wasn't a bad OS.
Don't like it? Don't use it. Stop crying and stop whining.
Why don't you say this to the gay couple who were denied services of a bakery shop? See, some things are illegal for a reason.
In UK, tie-in is illegal. One day, I hope, conditioning use of a product on mandatory private data collection will be illegal too.
Alternatively, if you live in a major city and don't like the polluted air, feel free not to breathe it.
Just another whitewash of Microsoft spying.
Microsoft could easily provide the patches faster, it is just that Windows has such a poor design that makes it hard.
Windows is not secure. thus Microsof security is an oxymoron.
Devil's advocate: You agreed to this sharing when you clicked on the EULA when installing Windows. MS isn't doing anything wrong because the details were spelled out quite plainly, and any first semester law student understands the basics of a contract (which a EULA is, and there are many court cases affirming this.)
Did that ever happen? All i heard was that people were looking at the photos and making insulting remarks, not that they were actively being shared after the fact.
I still prefer a dumbass over a bitch who might start a war with Russia. Now THAT would ruin the country.
False dichotomy: Your premise is that Trump won't start a war with Russia. Someone who is so thin skinned as to be butt-hurt by SNL is more likely to start a war over trivial reasons.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
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If Microsoft really wants to make my computing more secure, design a better OS architecture that doesn't need all these add-ons in order to feign security benefits.
Dunno WHY I'm replying to an AC, but here goes.. Theres a lot of us (and MORE of us, as MS keeps on with their shitshow) that actually READ that EULA, and in fact, I have a close friend who is an attorney, who I asked to read it and give me his take on it, from a legal point of view, and I can sum up his comments in a VERY short manner... "RUN... RUN AWAY FAST..." Fortuantly, for myself, I gave up any use of MS products when I retired in 2010. Prior to that, I spent 20 years supporting/using MS products. I also used/supported Linux, guess which one I chose when I retired... Go ahead, I dare ya...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Every end user is not a first semester law student.
Do you have a point?
...yet you still want to use their operating system? I think we can find the definition of insanity in there somewhere
Even IF MS *did* make it opt-in, why in God's name would you trust them to abide by your choices? And sure, MS and their surrogates tell you to turn off, with those cutesy little toggle switches and use a local account, if their datamining bothers you, privacy-wise.. Hmm.. And you *trust* MS to actually turn OFF these things because you didn't take the "recommended"/default install?? Oh boy.. Dunno about you, but I trust MS about as far as I can throw them..
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
MS: "Gosh we feel awful about it, but this is gonna hurt you a lot worse than it hurts us."
Strat
Except it doesn't hurt a bit.
There is only one program that I used that I need Windows for, and that has been replaced recently by an OSX version, so I ditched 10, keeping a dual boot OSX/W7 setup in case I something came up I needed Windows for. But that's just me. If someone has to have Windows, they have my sympathy. My present "Windows experience" consists almost totally of repairing other people's update damage.
Since windows doesn't have many of the programs I need like Final Cut, and it's integrated studio solutions, I have installed AO across the board on my OSX, Linux, and remaining W7, and now enjoy 100 percent compatibility on all of my computers for office applications.
Life without Microsoft products is pretty damn nice.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Stop using Windows until this is resolved to your liking. Vote with your wallet, or in the case of free updates, vote with your activation, don't install/accept Windows 10 with current terms of use, wait until they fix it. How highly do you prioritize this issue? Is your data and your privacy valuable enough to you that you would be willing to use alternatives until their software and terms are satisfactory to you, or are you just going to be their bitch?
No... Windows 10 is "free"... as in, we won't charge you $$$ for it, but we're gonna collect and save EVERYthing you do on the computer and sell it to the highest bidder AND government... Whereas, Linux is free (as in no quotes).... BIG difference, big enough to drive a bus thru.....
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
The justice department was all over M$ for something simple like integrating IE, but not a single chirp of noise about their massive spyware OS? This should be the biggest class action lawsuit in history!
I use OpenDNS and have removed access to the latest list of MS telemetry servers. I use Windows 10 (sparingly) for games, and the odd application that actually does require windows. Yet I'm still able to update. Yes, it has managed to piss me off a couple times... but nowhere near the point of overhauling the box with Linux. Partially because the last time I tried to use Linux with this hardware it was even more of a pain to get to work, so I went with the path of least resistance.
"...unlike home users, enterprise users of Windows 10 can select a lower level of data-sharing, but argues that enterprises "need to think twice before turning off Windows telemetry to increase corporate privacy" because Windows Update won't work without information about whether previous updates succeeded or failed."
Translation: Enable Telemetry, or we break your Security Kneecaps. Fuck You Very Much, and Have a Nice Day.
Kills me that this is legal when IE landed them in court for way less than this mafia licensing bullshit.
So, it's bad enough that Microsoft is forcing telemetry and updates on Home and Pro users, but if Enterprise users *don't* enable telemetry, then their updates won't function properly?
I'm guessing that the only reason they haven't been slapped with enough anti-trust lawsuits to suffocate under, is cause people are still able to stick with Windows 7 for the time being... Unless they've retroactively pulled the same crap update crap on Windows 7 like they did with telemetry?
I use OpenDNS and have removed access to the latest list of MS telemetry servers. I use Windows 10 (sparingly) for games, and the odd application that actually does require windows. Yet I'm still able to update. Yes, it has managed to piss me off a couple times... but nowhere near the point of overhauling the box with Linux. Partially because the last time I tried to use Linux with this hardware it was even more of a pain to get to work, so I went with the path of least resistance.
Isn't it odd that people go through gyrations in order to get W10 useable, yet any issue at all with Linux makes it a non-starter?
If you have trouble with Linux, it isn't Linux's fault. Millions of us install and use and update all the time, yet you hve conclusively proven by your singular experience that
Linux
Does
not
Work!
So what are the rest of us doing wrong that makes our Linux installs so easy?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I would not be wanting to give my details either, but if others want to do so willingly, that is up to them, not to me.
There are people who give their details to stores they shop at in real life all the time, just so they can get a reduction or whatever. I don't have that and I don't want that.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Some claims of it, I wont be clicking any of the links due to being at work, but here is a search that should get you started.
https://www.google.com#q=tsa+sharing+xray+images+online
With Trump, it's anyone's guess, because he's so unpredictable.
With Hillary, a war with Russia was a sure thing. Hillary was dead-set on establishing a no-fly zone over Syria. That would have inevitably led to war with Russia.
With one candidate offering a 100% chance of war, and the other candidate offering a less-than-100% chance of war with Russia, the latter is obviously the better choice.
It wouldn't have to have been this way if the stupid Democrats and the media didn't torpedo Bernie in the primary. They have only themselves to blame.
heh.. I like your comment "My present "Windows experience" consists almost totally of repaiing other people's update damage".. Thats me also.. I supported/used Windows for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with using it on my personal systems. At the time I dualbooted Linux and Win7, and it was a piece of cake, and quite cathartic to fire up gparted and delete the Win7 partition.. Just for drill, I do keep a Win7 virtualbox vm, but I don't recall the last time I fired it up.. From the sound of the updates situation, and MS putting all updates into a big blob, so its impossible to see whats needed AND whats NOT, I guess I may as well just delete the VM also.. Of the friends/neighbors/family that I haven't been able to migrate over Linux, that is my only connection with any MS products any longer.. As far as I'm concerned, MS can FOAD....
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Really.. I discount anybody who says "I tried Linux and it didn't work..." Unless you've got some seriously WEIRD hardware, any of the more popular Linux distros are gonna work great.. Especially those who gripe about Windows problems and then also gripe that Linux doesn't work.. Umm, I think it might be YOU (the complainer) that is the problem vs Linux...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Yes I do.... Per my lawyer friend.. "RUN AWAY... RUN AWAY FAST..." Sorry that went over your head.. But I do agree that EULAs are written for (and BY) lawyers..
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
With Trump, it's anyone's guess, because he's so unpredictable.
With Hillary, a war with Russia was a sure thing. Hillary was dead-set on establishing a no-fly zone over Syria. That would have inevitably led to war with Russia.
With one candidate offering a 100% chance of war, and the other candidate offering a less-than-100% chance of war with Russia, the latter is obviously the better choice.
No-Fly Zones are the popular method of looking tough, without having to actually do anything, why you think it was a way to war, I don't know. If you're going to complain, complain about it being a useless and pointless gesture. It wouldn't have lead to war.
Trump? Trump, if you think he's unpredictable, that's even more damning. That means he could do something everybody is telling him would mean war, and he'd not give a shit.
It wouldn't have to have been this way if the stupid Democrats and the media didn't torpedo Bernie in the primary. They have only themselves to blame.
Bernie was never going to win the Democratic primary, it was foolish of him to get involved. If he wanted to be President, he should have picked another path.
All he's accomplished is convince idiots like you that the Democratic party rigged he primary, so honestly, they should have just said "Sorry, you've not been a member of the party, it'd be a joke to let you run on our ticket" and ended it there.
If you have trouble with Linux, it isn't Linux's fault.
Go reply to all the countless Linux forum support threads telling them that they idiots and Linux just works. LOL.
Sorry to comment on my comment...
I decided to see for myself if by taking a NON-default install of 10 would stop or at LEAST reduce the outbound traffic to the -listed in many places- MS sites.. I took a neighbors default installed laptop of 10Pro and a NON-default installed laptop of 10Pro (all privacy-switches OFF, local machine account) and loaded a remote packet capture tool on the firewall of my home network, where EVERYthing else on the network was either Android or Linux.. I put each machine individually on the network for 8 hours with the packet capture daemon running, saving all the chatter from each machine. After which I did a compare of the two packet captures.. Both were virtually identical.. That convinces me that there IS no way of shutting the bad stuff off a copy of 10 Pro.. Dunno about home or Enterprise.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet Home is the same, however I find it REALLY hard to believe that large corps are going to put up with the incessant "phone-home" crap from Enterprise.. But of course, us unwashed pleebs can't get Enterprise...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
So they are including Jails. Actually in 2016 I do think paravirtualization is quite handy for desktop use for all apps. Not just for FreeBSD, but for Linux, MacOSX, and even Windows.
I disagree with the privacy and article. MS got a well deserved bad wrap with IE 6 and never quite recovered when it came to security.
http://saveie6.com/
...they would flag the OS itself as the biggest bit of malware. I have already had to reinstall 10 twice because processes like the metro app infrastructure just started consuming 90% of the CPU all the time. I tried every trick online to disable these bits to the point where the computer was completely hobbled, but in the end, only a clean install fixed the issue...for now.
"With Hillary, a war with Russia was a sure thing." - Said the blathering retard as he stared into his semen-filled crystal ball.
>[Anonymized] usage data lets Microsoft beef up threat protection...
So our useage data is collected for our protection, I see... as part of a 'beefing up' process in the security features. I see.
OK THEN!! Then why must the data also be used to generate Suggestions, App Promotions, Keylogging, Offsite File Archives, Cortana Intrusiveness, News Tile Customizations, and a whole host of 'personalized' junk that is a poor attempt to 'service us' when in fact it's servicing them.
Blatant sniffing & collecting, turned around and monetized, is a poor banner to wave whilst riding in on the coat-tales of security.
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This is just damage control propaganda, evidently MS is getting push back to their recent announcement that they are selling telemetry data to anyone willing to pay.
Devil's advocate: You agreed to this sharing when you clicked on the EULA when installing Windows. MS isn't doing anything wrong because the details were spelled out quite plainly, and any first semester law student understands the basics of a contract (which a EULA is, and there are many court cases affirming this.)
1) I never clicked OK in the EULA as I don't use Windows 10 and never will.
2) For people who did, you can hardly blame them for not being able to read and understand 40 pages of legalese.
3) Stop calling it "sharing". It's piracy as they are taking the data without explicit consent.
But of course, us unwashed pleebs can't get Enterprise...
Sure we can
Use it if you want to and don't feel even one iota of guilt after the shitty way Microsoft has been treating everyone.
The companies can afford more and better laws.than "we the people" can afford.
Trump's already caused at least one serious diplomatic incident by talking to the top guy in Taiwan. That's not going to help us with the Chinese.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Cool. What hosts and ports should I block?
heh.. I like your comment "My present "Windows experience" consists almost totally of repaiing other people's update damage".. Thats me also.. I supported/used Windows for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with using it on my personal systems. At the time I dualbooted Linux and Win7, and it was a piece of cake, and quite cathartic to fire up gparted and delete the Win7 partition.. Just for drill, I do keep a Win7 virtualbox vm, but I don't recall the last time I fired it up.. From the sound of the updates situation, and MS putting all updates into a big blob, so its impossible to see whats needed AND whats NOT, I guess I may as well just delete the VM also.. Of the friends/neighbors/family that I haven't been able to migrate over Linux, that is my only connection with any MS products any longer.. As far as I'm concerned, MS can FOAD....
My Windows support days were pretty strange, since technically I wan't even a computer person. But a large part of the job was being the guy at the meeting who was there to make certain that shit worked. A lot of the official IT guys hated me because they had to listen to an outsider like me. The smart ones knew I was saving their asses. But the suits had a wide range of programs that needed to run, and the regular IT people tended to piss themselves when the suits told them they needed something fixed ASAP.
So they didn't like me, but I saved the IT guys and gals money on Depends adult diapers, and I became a suit of sorts. They liked me. But one of the things a person learns really quickly about Windows is that Updates kill. Even back in XP days. And even thought the IT folks would hold an update for testing before release, they didn't test for much beyond making sure the Staff assistants and accountants had the office suite.
Then there was the time Windows had a bitchfight with a codec vendor and removed the codec during an update. Fortunately, I had my own company laptop that I controlled the update process and looked like a genius because mine was the only computer in the place that could play the vids every visiting suit brought with them.
But I sure as hell don't need to put up that kind of Microsoft shennanigans now that I'm retired. OS X and Linux - the Unix twins - serve me just fine now.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Fuck, you're annoying.
Change Linux to Windows and vice versa. The same can be said about each other, but your lack of seeing that makes you a tool.
Really.. I discount anybody who says "I tried Linux and it didn't work..." Unless you've got some seriously WEIRD hardware, any of the more popular Linux distros are gonna work great.. Especially those who gripe about Windows problems and then also gripe that Linux doesn't work.. Umm, I think it might be YOU (the complainer) that is the problem vs Linux...
We get this same thing with an SDR Radio that I own. In our community group, People come in breathing fire, wondering why they bought such a piece of shit radio from a bunch of crooks and us assholes who help them support the crap, and 99 times out of 100, its pilot error.
And I've had to as gently as I could on a number of occasions, let them know that if everyone else has a working setup, the problem is probably on their end.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If you have trouble with Linux, it isn't Linux's fault.
Go reply to all the countless Linux forum support threads telling them that they idiots and Linux just works. LOL.
Well, first off, I seldom call people idiots. But having helped a lot of people, the problems are generally either from trying to impose Windows on Linux, especially at install.
Why I've used the forums myself on occasion. That isn't even at issue because there are help forums for everything. That's how we find bugs, that's how we learn details.Few of us were born knowing how to do this stuff. But if you cannot produce aworking Linux install from a Live distro, it's probably because you didn't follow the directions. Big issues are trying to install while not on the internet, not allowing the install to update while installing, and killing the install when getting warnings - warnings are seldom a problem. A few years back, some people got confused about the different partitions and sizes needed, but that could be an issue that caused problems at one time.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Please use that time to learn to use far less "..." .
That's not a point, that's fucking useless.
Nothing of substance was added. Your lawyer friend sounds like he doesn't know shit.
1) fuck off.
Fuck, you're annoying.
Fuckin-A right I'm annoying!
The same can be said about each other, but your lack of seeing that makes you a tool.
Same thing makes you rather limited, but hey, thanks for letting me know I'm annoying, because I was only half trying so far. when I'm hitting on all cylinders, I make Torvalds look like Mother Theresa, and that's just how I like it. Ciao, my chachalaca.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
1) Make me, wimp