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Vinyl Records Outsold Digital Downloads In the UK Last Week (adweek.com)

Sales of vinyl outstripped those of downloaded music for the first time since the advent of digital downloads last week in the UK. From a report on AdWeek: The U.K.-based Entertainment Retailers Association, or ERA, said Monday that Britons spent 2.4 million pounds ($3.03 million) on the old-school wax last week while only doling out 2.1 million pounds ($2.65 million) for digital downloads. Vinyl Factory, a website dedicated to records, reported that those numbers represent a big change from the same week in 2015, when just 1.2 million pounds was spent on records compared with 4.4 million on digital downloads. That's a 100 percent year-over-year increase in vinyl sales and also the first time that vinyl album sales have bested digital downloads over a weeklong period in years, per Vinyl Factory. The surge in vinyl sales could be attributed to the popularity of vinyl as a Christmas gift and the growing number of retailers. You know it's a gift because, as BBC adds: But 48% of those surveyed said they did not play the vinyl they bought -- while 7% did not even own a turntable.

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  1. A perfect Christmas gift... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Vinyl is the new coffee table book that people are expected to see but not read.

    1. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Vinyl is the new coffee table book that people are expected to see but not read.

      And thanks to the hipster Millennial, sales statistics are something we're expected to value but not understand.

      Gee, look at that...Nordstrom is selling a fucking rock for $85.

      Just in time for the holidays...

    2. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger. Then again I have a tube stack with a 4x12 oak slant back offset classic and greenback Celestions that sounds like it's a crisp 300 watts (it's only 200) compared to the new stuff anyway.

    3. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by al0ha · · Score: 1

      Agreed - I have over 400 vinyl albums, most of which I ripped to Mp3 only because I don't want to pay twice for music I already have - so I have to put up with the clicks, hiss, rumble and wow and fultter of vinyl while listening to these tracks, and do not for one second think that audiophile vinyl is any better, it is not, digital blows vinyl out of the water, that is why vinyl was left behind so long ago.

      Hipsters like vinyl, 70s chopper motorcycles and skinny skateboards, all three are sucky technology, the 70s choppers are outright dangerous, something those with a few years under their belt know; they're the ones that left them behind for better tech.

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    4. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vinyl is crap,

      Vinyl isn't crap, it's ironic.

    5. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qtxPSR8q98

    6. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a ridiculous metaphor. Asshole.

    7. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by skids · · Score: 1

      Obviously this is just a hippie AGW plot to sequester carbon.

    8. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All else equal vinyl will produce inferior sound as compared to digital because it cant reproduce bass accurately. Vinyl always gives you less bass. The problem is that today every recording is mastered BADLY and is there's too much bass in everything so vinyl will give you a better sound just because there's less bass because the medium cant go low enough.

      With a very high end table, tone arm and cartridge there is basically zero clicks, hissing and rumble. Your problem is you haven't blown $4k on a good Rega turntable with Apheta MC cartridge or a similarly awesome table.

      The reason why audophiles spend money on vinyl is because digital stuff is mastered badly to appeal to a generation that wants too much bass to the point where you literally cant hear what a singer is singing in a recording because it's drowned out by bass. Its call the "loudness wars" and it's made non-vinyl music almost unlistenable.

    9. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's one attribute of vinyl records that beats any digital form: There is no DRM, and DRM is not even possible.

      Aside from that you sound like a real stick-in-the-mud, no sense of humor, always has to be right, no fun at parties, etc.

    10. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger. Then again I have a tube stack with a 4x12 oak slant back offset classic and greenback Celestions that sounds like it's a crisp 300 watts (it's only 200) compared to the new stuff anyway.

      Me too.

      I have a pair of Klipschorns 50th anniversary speakers ....horn loaded, VERY efficient, and they are made to run with tube amps. I have a couple of older Decware SET amps (I have the long old, SE84C). .....sounds really nice. I'd like to some day get an old McIntosh amp, but even old 60's versions are pretty $$$$.

      I'm very tempted to dig out my old turn table...I'm SO disappointed with so many of the new "remixes" they have been putting out of my artists which are classic rocksters.....they have succumbed to the compression wars and there is no fucking dynamic range anymore.

      From what I understand, with the physical limitations of the vinyl format, they really can't over compress. Even though my hearing isn't what it used to be, I can still hear that my music often doesn't sound as good as it did when I was a kid. With new stuff, I quickly get ear fatigue, but with something well recorded on my system, even at pretty high volumes, I don't get ear fatigue and can listen endlessly.

      I have a few gems on digital...Jethro Tull's Aqualung put out a year or so ago for a remastered anniversary edition is amazingly well done. It has plenty of dynamic range, and they've brought forth instruments that I'd never really heard before..it is great.

      But like my Stones re-issues...ugh...they've killed what used to be fun recordings.

      I'm hoping my vinyl experiment might give me back the sound I want to hear....and not be processed to sound like shit like so many engineers seem to aspire to create (or destroy).

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    11. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by chipschap · · Score: 1

      The other problem with modern mastering practice is that the engineers know the listening environment is likely to be really bad earbuds connected to something that plays MP3s. Switch to high-end headsets or good speakers and the mix sounds terrible, because it is.

      As for vinyl, hipster audiophiles say they like the "warm" sound. Yes, it sounds "warm" because the low end is largely absent, the high end is constrained, and most of all, the dynamic range is quite compressed.

      (Ex audio engineer here, though I come from an earlier era.)

    12. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Now that vinyl has become mainstream again, cue the inevitable backlash from the hipsters.

      I was into that band way before they became popular. That makes me better than you.

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    13. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I know is in my own system the vinyl sounds better to me. I have several recordings in both CD and vinyl format, and it's no contest. To me it's like the difference between MP3s and CDs. The only time vinyl sounds worse is when some bonehead masters it off of a CD (yes this happens and there's a special place in hell for whoever thought that was a good idea). To my ears the vinyl is richer, has more detail, is more full, and the low end sounds better. My system isn't super expensive either. All together I've got about 20k wrapped up in it. The turntable is about 1k of that. I know the loudness war, and highly compressed audio are part of the problem, but that's a problem for vinyl as well as CD. If it's mastered to be as loud as possible sucking all of the dynamic out of the mix it's going to sound terrible no matter what format you use.

    14. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And therein lies the problem. You lose no matter what you do but with vinyl at least you can hear the lyrics from under all that bass.

    15. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by brantondaveperson · · Score: 2

      No-one gives a shit about sound quality anyway - they never did. People like buying records because they like owning a physical object with the music literally stamped into the surface of it. People who buy vinyl, do play it. Of course they do.

    16. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      God, you may as well give someone a cellphone from the 1980s too. Vinyl is crap, those that believe it is better are right up there with those that think not giving your kids autism with a vaccine is better.

      From a technical perspective, you will be able to get better sound out of digital. Unfortunately, there are some trade offs with older recordings in particular. Remastered recordings of older music can, and have been done poorly in some cases. When the remasters crank the bass to the point of causing digital clipping, vinyl can sound better.

      I don't recall which recording studio it was any longer, but back in the late 1960's they didn't have their open reel recorder calibrated to the standard speed. It was noticeably slower than the standard for a couple of years. Several remasters from this studio were released on CD without taking this into account. In those cases the songs were shorter and the pitch was noticeably higher on the digital remasters. The first time I noticed this was with a Procol Harum album that I had on vinyl and purchased on CD. I ended up finding an older CD remaster that took this into account, but was out of print. So I ended up paying a lot more for it. Given the choice between the bad digital remaster and vinyl, I'd choose the vinyl.

      I have a fairly decent turntable that I bought 20+ years ago. It's not one of the $30K VPI turntables, but it's not a cheap one either. Which does make a difference. But I'd still prefer the convenience of a CD. I'll listen to MP3's when I'm traveling for the convenience and storage size. But prefer CD's or FLAC when I'm at home. Most of my vinyl has been ripped to digital now though. But only in cases where a decent remaster wasn't available.

      In short, there are some cases where vinyl will be a better option. But not because of some kind of voodoo magic. Just poor decisions, or ignorance, during the remastering process.

    17. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by dlingman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee, look at that...Nordstrom is selling a fucking rock for $85.

      Just in time for the holidays...

      Your local jewelry store will sell you rocks for vastly more than 85$.

    18. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger. Then again I have a tube stack with a 4x12 oak slant back offset classic and greenback Celestions that sounds like it's a crisp 300 watts (it's only 200) compared to the new stuff anyway.

      Particle Board is MUCH better for enclosures, specfically because it doesn't have a easily-definable resonance frequency.

      Rap your knuckles on a "real" wood speaker cabinet. Notice it has a sort of "ring" to it. Particle board cabinets (properly braced), not so much.

      I want my speakers to sound like MUSIC, not a dining-room tabletop.

    19. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger. Then again I have a tube stack with a 4x12 oak slant back offset classic and greenback Celestions that sounds like it's a crisp 300 watts (it's only 200) compared to the new stuff anyway.

      Sweet! Would like to see your rig! :)

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    20. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      God, you may as well give someone a cellphone from the 1980s too. Vinyl is crap, those that believe it is better are right up there with those that think not giving your kids autism with a vaccine is better.

      We have to have qualifiers around all sorts of "quality" metrics for both mediums; but at the peaks of their respective technologies, I will take a 24/96 digital recording over even the best turntable/tonarm/cartridge/direct-to-disc vinyl recording every single time.

      Now. Let the format-flamewars and sample-rate/bit-depth wars begin!

      The only thing I miss about vinyl is the packaging. Some truly wonderful art got commissioned for Album Covers.

    21. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I have cheap Cort that I practice and just play around with. My regular guitar is a Godin Artisan ST not one of the cherry burst it's just plain wood finish. When I was picking it out I had played a lot of different guitars and they all sounded different even others of that model since it's made from real wood. It wasn't my first choice that was by an Italian luthier semi-hollow electric and far out of my price range but damn it sounded amazing.

    22. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      It should be more of pop compared to a dull thud if it has a ring to it then it wasn't made right.

    23. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Mal-2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most speakers, even high-quality ones, are medium-density fiberboard (MDF) with a wood veneer over them. Real wood has resonances, MDF much less so.

      I have a pair of Tannoy SRM-12B studio monitors at my workstation and they look like wood, but they're clearly not as revealed by the places where the incredibly thin (about 0.7mm I'd say) wood finish has broken away. They still work perfectly. I am driving them with a mere 80W/ch class AB solid-state amplifier, but they can't handle more than 100W/ch anyhow. They have self-resetting breakers though, which I have seen get tripped once or twice when the amp has fed them a nasty transient. (The amp itself also has similar protection, and sometimes it's a race to see which one trips first. If it resets in seconds, the amp tripped. If it resets in minutes, the speakers tripped.)

      In any case, these are hardly what you'd consider cheap crap. They are 40 years old, but are absolutely professional quality. They're 5/8 inch thick MDF.

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    24. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger.

      My guess is you miss "that old sound" because you still had your hearing back then. No one needs a stack. A 25w tube amp with a 1x12 or 2x12 is more than enough for anyone. If you're AC/DC, you're going to mic your amp and blast it through the stadium PA anyway. Stacks and half stacks were invented to make teenagers feel like rock stars. Meanwhile most of them damaged their hearing. The only other scenario is where rockers put 15 stacks up on a stage for show and none of them are even plugged in.

    25. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      May I point out that in a population of 54 million, both GBP 2.4 and GBP 2.1 million round to zero... that's about a nickel a person. So... Brits don't spend money on vinyl or digital downloads. Seems to me the latter is the news... just how do Brits get their digital downloads?

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    26. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Nordstrom is late to the party.

      The De Beers propoganda slave-labor cartel has been scamming suckers for years selling overpriced rocks when in 1939 they kicked their marketing campaign in high gear. i.e. Only an idiot would pay $100 million for a De Beers Centenary Diamond

      You know what they say: A fool and his money are soon parted.

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    27. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I've had equipment that was built similarly mostly in the 80s and early 90s and they were nice but there is a difference between quality 5/8 MDF and crap particle board, plastic, or even poorly assembled 3/8 or 3/16 mdf. There is also a different between studio monitors and a guitar stack and PA cabinets.

    28. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      I have a Pivetta Opera driving Genesis Dragon's, fed from a Goldmund Reference 2 through an Audio Note M10. I'm not sure I like the sound though, if I listen carefully to a 1942 recording of the Fortissimo Crescendo from Bombopoff's "Eruption of Vesuvius" it's as if the third oboe from the left has turned slightly in his seat, the soundstage just isn't right somehow. If anyone has an advice on how to deal with this I'd be interested in hearing it.

    29. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Yep, my speakers are made of Rosewood, they look good as well as sound good (to me). And the stereo is minimalist, no flashing lights, nothing that looks like the front grill off a 1950s cadillac , no crappy graphic equaliser. Nothing butt ugly. kiddies need to learn that all the "engineering" they put into the flashing lights is effort that has not gone into the sound.

    30. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I used to have a beautiful zenith console stereo from the 60s AM/FM turntable real nice wood finish I think it was walnut. It was tube and that thing sounded amazing... after it was destroyed in a flood in the early 90s I bought an expensive pioneer modular setup that just plain sucked, it would sound distorted if you added any volume to it.

    31. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loudness wars is over compression through master chain limiting. It can manifest in too much bass, especially with the rise of cheap multiband compression plugins, but it isnt inherent to the over arching loudness war problem.

    32. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      As fun as it is following all the hipsters complaining about dynamic range of modern digital recordings compared to their vintage "vinyl player" and tube amp setup, I'm starting to run out of popcorn here, and my lungs are starting to hurt from all the laughter.

    33. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      If you pull the drivers or otherwise open the box and find chips in it, you have a shit box. 3/16 is insane for anything other than a portable system where weight is at an absolute premium (I'd rather have heavy magnets and light boxes than light magnets and heavy boxes), but 3/8 can be done well. As you have noted, the thinner it is, the more critical it is that everything fits perfectly because there is less edge adhesive holding everything together.

      It's also true that there is a large difference between studio monitors and stage gear. Stage gear often compromises on fidelity for the sake of power handling and portability. These Tannoys would be near useless in a nightclub – they'd never be heard, and the advantages of Dual Concentric are mostly lost more than ten feet away. That's exactly why there are different types of gear. :)

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    34. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish Nordstrom had Amazon style reviews that pulled the piss out of them. This website is ripe for some great reviews for stupid products.

    35. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Compression is done for a variety of reasons.

      To make the average sound as loud as possible, compression is used to raise the softer sections of music. This is the sort of thing that you're complaining about.

      Compression is also used if the medium has a poor dynamic range and the source material has a wide dynamic range. Vinyl records have a poor dynamic range, so compression (and manual riding of gain controls) was common in mastering even 50+ years ago. Perhaps the routine use of compression wasn't as severe back then.

      (There are other reasons, perhaps not relevant here.)

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    36. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by quenda · · Score: 1

      I really miss speakers that are made with real wood enclosures they sounded so much fuller, crisper, and bigger. ... like it's a crisp 300 watts

      Watts sound so cold and clinical. I prefer my old 800 foot-pound-per-minute speakers. So much warmer than metric.

    37. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      MDF, particle board, and plastic are isotropic, so they tend not to develop cracks or stress joints as temperature and humidity change. Wood is anisotropic and in principle can have those problems, although they're unlikely to ever show up. Plywood is midway, but sometimes has voids that can rattle and buzz. In fact, the risk of having veneer delaminate from other materials is a concern similar to plywood.

      That said, I use wood when I build speaker cabinets. Deficiencies in drivers, design, and craftmanship will usually show up long before problems caused by natural wood.

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    38. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      48% surveyed did not play it.

      hipsters collect vinyl and listen to youtube.

    39. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Vinyl isn't crap, it's ironic.

      90% of everything is ironic.

    40. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Informative

      Argh! Such idiocy! (or ignorance).

      Pops and clicks are due to scratches on the record and debris (dust, etc.) in the grooves. This is a flaw in the particular record, and will be different on each copy of the record (assuming the master or an intermediate copy is not damaged.) Some of it can be removed by post processing, even of your digital copies.

      Hiss is noise that can come from many sources: microphone, 1st stage microphone amplifier, many places within the analog audiotape recorder used before digital recordings, physical limitations of vinyl, the phono cartridge, and the phono preamp, to name the most obvious.

      Rumble is due to deficiencies in the playback equipment, although deficiencies in the cutter are also possible. A warped record will also cause rumble and other problems.

      Wow (low frequency speed variation) is again due to deficiencies in the playback or cutting equipment, or due to the record not being centered properly.

      Flutter is mostly an analog audiotape problem.

      The limitations of a clean, undamaged, properly mastered and manufactured vinyl disk are dynamic range, distortion, and frequency response. Dynamic range is limited by the size of vinyl molecules compared to the size of the wiggles in the grooves that represent sound, and by the physical errors that accumulate from each generation of copy from master to the final stamped record. Dynamic range is also limited by the signal before it reaches the disk (There are records where you can hear relative silence, then hiss (probably from audiotape) as the signal is applied to the cutter.) Distortion is limited by geometry mismatches between the cutting stylus and the playback stylus, and the tendency of the material in a freshly cut groove to rebound somewhat, and other factors. Frequency response is limited by geometrical considerations of the cutting and playback stylus and the linear speed of the groove as it passes the stylus. Frequency response is also limited by the RIAA playback and recording compensation curves, which deliberately reduce response below about 50 Hz.

      Digital has won out because it is more convenient, more durable, and easier and cheaper to produce excellent results. The best vinyl results require care and expensive equipment to reduce the flaws that come with sloppy vinyl use. Vinyl can be very good, just not as good as good digital.

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    41. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can confirm that Particle Board is the best option. Anyone who builds Woofer Boxes for Car Systems knows this.

    42. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. I'm pretty sure a hipster told me that vinyl had infinite, warm dynamic range that would produce more beta waves in my brain allowing me to fully unlock the secrets of all those old Showaddywaddy records.

    43. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Vinyl isn't better from a fidelity point of view, but it's Good Enough for most purposes. The real appeal lies in the big cover art and the whole ritual of vinyl playback. It makes it feel more special, and people are all about that these days.

      I collect LPs, mostly of the albums I grew up with, listening on tape. So there's a huge nostalgia factor. I also buy the occasional stoner/doom metal/rock albums on vinyl, because I think the format fits the music, in a lo-fi kind of way.

      The people who think it sounds better than digital because it's analog? Yeah, those guys are idiots.

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    44. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you.

    45. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, a lot of modern (re)releases on vinyl are also compressed to hell and back, but the warts and limitations of the LP format sort of 'hide' some of the badness.

      The very best sound quality you're going to get is with mid-80s to mid-90s CD releases. This was after they figured out how to master properly for CDs, but before the Loudness War really got started.

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    46. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You can still buy really damn good speakers, and they don't have to be fancy bullshit audiophile designs. Look into active studio monitors, some of them will absolutely beat even the best audiophile speakers into pulp, when it comes to accuracy and detail. I would pit a set of Adam S5X-Vs against any set of audiophile speakers at any price point, any day of the week.

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    47. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Stage gear often compromises on fidelity for the sake of power handling and portability.

      Well yeah, unless you design your speakers properly ;-)

      http://www.danleysoundlabs.com...

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    48. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      If you're not doing just a bit of EQ (preferable parametric EQ) to correct for the deficiencies in your room, you're missing out. Or you have an acoustically perfect room ;-)

      I'm using a basic dbx Driverack PX DSP-based crossover and EQ for my setup (active studio monitors and active subs), and I've measured my room using Room EQ Wizard and a calibrated measurement microphone. The difference between no EQ and proper EQ is amazing.

      The "kiddies" these days design and build gear that will put anything that came before to absolute shame. You just need to find the right "kiddies" :-)

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    49. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Dude, if that's what modern music sounds like to you, you need to find better music to listen to. Or maybe you just need to turn down the bass knob on your amplifier, which you probably turned up to compensate for the lack of bass on most LPs. Maybe you need to get better speakers that don't distort like crazy on actual bass content. Or maybe you need to look into room correction, if your room makes heavy bass boomy like that.

      I have some tracks with crazy amounts of bass. Not overdriven or distorted, just lots of bass. They sound great on a good stereo, and the lyrics are perfectly intelligible. I even have a couple of LPs with amazingly deep bass, compared to what you'd expect from the format. On a proper stereo, preferably with decent subwoofers and proper room correction and calibration, even the deepest bass is well-controlled and not overpowering at all.

      And Rega? Please, they're basically just overpriced planks of wood with motors that don't even run at the right speed. Get a proper turntable, a Technics SL-12x0 Mk2. Direct drive is King.

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    50. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      It's all down to the mastering. A well-produced CD will trounce anything else for sound quality.

      Do you want to hear a secret? 99.9% of all LPs released over the last 10-15 years have used the exact same masters as the CD releases, overcompression, clipping and all.

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    51. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      And how many DBX discs were ever released?

      Exactly.

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    52. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      And the huge artwork, don't forget that. I have a couple of albums that I bought strictly because of the covers.

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    53. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Particle board is good, but you can't beat geometry and concrete.

    54. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I was uncool before it was cool, dammit!

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    55. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I buy vinyl for the sound quality. Each one gets played exactly once as I rip it to my computer.

      Vinyl releases often sound better than the CD release these days because they are not as loud. The format simply doesn't allow the mix to be as loud as a CD does, clipped to hell and no dynamic range. What you lose in resolution and additional noise is more than made up for by the drums having some real slam and the guitars being more than just solid noise.

      If they released CD versions with proper mixing I'd buy those, but they don't. They used to, so sometimes I buy used CDs from the 80s that were properly mastered, but it's rare these days. DVD audio with a Dolby mix is usually okay, because Dolby mandates certain levels that prevent the over-use of compression, and they know that only people who care about such things buy those discs anyway.

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    56. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      population of UK is much more than 54 million fewl

    57. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Because of the physical limitations of the format it's hard to make a record like a CD version, that is what the GP was referring to, because vinyl relies on the physical movement of the needle generate bass you need a large movement so generate a lot of bass, this means the grooves need to be further apart to stop the cutting head cutting through o other grooves, so you make shorter records, alternatively you reduce the overall level, but then you incur a cost in signal to noise ratio. Basically CDs are easy to master very loud, records are not.

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    58. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It should be more of pop compared to a dull thud if it has a ring to it then it wasn't made right.

      Well, it was hard to come up with a perfect onomatopoetically-descriptive word. ;-)

      What I meant was that it had at least a semi-definable "resonance point", rather than just sounding as "non-harmonic" as possible.

    59. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, those rocks are tiny and shiny and a different, yet overly priced issue altogether. The item he linked to is just a regular, boring, nonshiny rock.

    60. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20k IS super expensive compared to what most people can afford

    61. Re: A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To add distortion and reduce dynamic range why not use a CD player and a tube compressor?

    62. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, those are audiophile grade speakers. What you are really saying is you wouldn't buy $30k speakers and you shouldn't -- unless you are putting them in a space big enough to require speakers like that. The people buying $30k speakers have 4000sq foot living rooms. It's rich people buying speakers for mansions. Regular people with regular 400sq foot spaces will do fine with $1500-2500 monitors though I would go with KEF LS50's or a pair of Tannoy DC8's over the S5X, but to each his own.

      You don't buy 30k or 100k speakers to stick in regular rooms. These are speaker for appropriately sized spaces.

    63. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by chefren · · Score: 1

      Those CDs can indeed be very good, but not all of them used the best sources available (=the earliest available generation master tapes). Sometimes modern CDs are the best option - e.g. the Beatles In Mono box is great and completely uncompressed. The mono releases are for most Beatles records the mixes the band themselves participated in making. Someone else then remixed them to stereo. Modern vinyl releases, even when not compressed, usually come with some amount of bass boost. I don't understand why there is this need to modernise the sound of vintage recordings. It's not like blu-ray releases of black and white movies are artificially coloured either.

    64. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I even have a vinyl release - an official release - that seems to have been mastered from MP3s judging by the spectrogram. (I also have the CD version, which tools like aucdtect confirm is mastered from an MP3. Spectrograms of both show characteristics of MP3 compression)
      I also have several bootleg vinyl releases that were cut from MP3s, but that's more expected.

      I think the reason why bad mastering is so common throughout the entire industry, regardless of format, is that most listeners can't tell the difference between good and bad mastering. Even a lot of musicians can't, to tell you the truth. The skills used for playing an instrument, and assembling a mix of a full band for a good recording, are different. A lot of musicians get played a terrible, ruined master of their music and they OK it because it "sounds like a finished product" - that is, it sounds like the rest of the shitty CDs they're used to. (Similar logic is used by vinyl junkies.) They spend weeks, months writing and playing the music -- then they might listen to the final master 1 time. Or not at all. Often times there's just 1 engineer that is responsible for making the final mix for distribution. And the quality of those engineers varies just as widely as the quality of musicians.

    65. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      population of UK is much more than 54 million fewl

      Typo... 65 million is not "much" more than 54 million and does not significantly change the math.

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    66. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Most of the musicians I know have kinda crappy stereos. All-in-one systems, bluetooth speakers, random cheap 80s plastic junk, you name it. They spend all of their money on instruments and gear instead.

      They don't care about the absolute sound quality, they hear the track (even in crap quality) and in their mind, they're playing it themselves, so they relate to it on another level.

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    67. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      You put up the stack with the volume adjusted to use like a monitor then pump the big sound out the PA away from you and toward the audience this works in medium and small venues.

      I used to play a re-issued crate combo tube /w spring reverb, etc... and I would stand with a foot on it a lot because I couldn't hear it over the crowd sometimes.

    68. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      You seem to forget Macrovision.

    69. Re:A perfect Christmas gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to do a double-blind A/B listening test between vinyl and a 44.1k/16-bit recording of the same vinyl.

      I'd wager heavily that nobody would do better than chance at discerning which was which.

  2. I need a turntable? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I ran into someone buying vinyl that didn't even realize he needed a turntable to play it. Just following the popularity mob.

    1. Re:I need a turntable? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I ran into someone buying vinyl that didn't even realize he needed a turntable to play it.

      See, the vinyl is too thin for a USB jack. So you need an adapter to play it.

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  3. Only downloads? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By far the majority of digitally distributed music is streamed, not downloaded.

    Downloaded music is a niche market.

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    1. Re:Only downloads? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how niche it really is. There are a lot of people selling download music which means there must be a decent sized market. There again, cost to market is pretty low and low overhead for selling download music so who knows.

      I've always though it poor fiscal decision to stream and pay for music over and over again rather than pay for music one time. There again, I have a large collection of music, in part, courtesy of BMG in the 90's, and I probably only download one or two albums a year. So why pay $10 a month, when I normally pay $10 every 6 months for downloading.

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    2. Re:Only downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind downloaded music if it's done right. FLAC, high quality WAV? Sure fine. MP3 Nah keep it. Even if it's cheap it's not worth it.

    3. Re:Only downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes... opinion stated as fact, a staple of Slashdot.

    4. Re:Only downloads? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      By far the majority of digitally distributed music is streamed, not downloaded.

      I also believed that, but RIAA report linked from TFA says otherwise: 34% downloads, 34,3% streaming and 28.8% physical.

    5. Re:Only downloads? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      MP3 V0 is fine. Only crazy audiophiles think otherwise.

      You probably already know about Bandcamp, they offer just about every format you could wish for.

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    6. Re:Only downloads? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      And you believe the RIAA? ;-)

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    7. Re:Only downloads? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      And you believe the RIAA? ;-)

      Their report is the basis for the news we talk about, I found it in TFA.

  4. Looks like the loudness war is being fought by sl3xd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because of the Loudness War, Vinyl really does sound better, because it can't be abused the same way digital recordings can. There's only so much the needle will tolerate.

    It's not because Vinyl is "better" -- it's because the mastering on the digital formats is appalling.

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    1. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by geekmux · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because of the Loudness War, Vinyl really does sound better, because it can't be abused the same way digital recordings can. There's only so much the needle will tolerate.

      It's not because Vinyl is "better" -- it's because the mastering on the digital formats is appalling.

      While I would be happy to find that the Loudness War is losing in some way, don't believe for a second the idiot hipster buying vinyl today is actually doing it because of shitty music quality.

      We're talking about a generation who thinks ear buds and YouTube make for an amazing music experience...

    2. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Pocaille · · Score: 1

      Loudness war is over "In essence, the idea is that if all music is played back at the same perceived volume, there's no longer an incentive for mix or mastering engineers to compete in these 'loudness wars'." From: http://www.soundonsound.com/te...

    3. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up. This is the only reason audiophiles buy vinyl. It's not because we like the obsolete tech. It's because everything sold in digital is mastered like garbage and there's so much bass you cant hear what the singer is singing. If you actually care about the content of a song and aren't just playing it for background noise the digital stuff is legit painful.

    4. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      You can judge for yourself by looking at a database that quantifies it

      Go ahead and look up most of your albums.

      An example: Adele's 25, in "High Definition" 24/192 format

      Every single track is a victim of the Loudness War.

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    5. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They ruined almost every single track recorded since 1989 or so. Even it it's "over" the damage will be with us for a century or so.

      With MQA maybe they an fix the majority of tracks but MQA will probably never become mainstream and even if it does it will take 20 years to remaster all the catalogs.

    6. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by sl3xd · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, let's compare that Adele album to Vinyl

      So a DR range of 4 ("high def" digital, vs 11 on vinyl).

      A DR of 11 is still pretty bad, but it's not as horrifying as you get with the "high def" audio.

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    7. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      At what point did consumer generation come into play? The only data is that Vinyl is outselling digital downloads.

      I certainly know my share of Baby Boomers and Gen X-ers who are also think earbuds & youtube are amazing.

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    8. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I've heard bad vinyl too.

    9. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's not like producers routinely do an entirely separate mixdown for vinyl when they release modern stuff in multiple-formats. They make one mix, and if causes the needle to skip over, they limit the entire track on the vinyl until it doesn't. The ratio between the amount of quiet portions and loud portions (dynamic range) doesn't change, it's just that the overall amplitude is reduced. Absolutely nothing prevents producers from making CDs with high dynamic range. Compressing the dynamics in order to up the loudness was done on CDs because they could, and because they were finding it helped sell more albums when you had more loudness to make you stand out over the competition.

      By all means, go buy an original vinyl album in good condition instead of a "Remastered anniversary edition", where, yeah, they tend to compress the mix and amplify the result. Or go buy a vinyl album because you are a DJ who actually knows how to spin vinyl. Or shit, go buy vinyl because you're nostalgic for the way things used to be, if that's what you're in to. But don't buy vinyl because you think it's gonna sound better than digital. That is, unless you group together the hiss of a low-quality hi-fi setup, and the clicks and pops from mishandling an record over time somehow improve the sound. And even if you do want that, There's an App for That.

    10. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Luthair · · Score: 1

      This is a myth, reducing the dynamic range would mean a needle is requires less vertical travel. Its also unlikely publishers are going spend extra money to separately master a format that accounts for a very small portion of their revenue.

    11. Re: Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mixing is not mastering. A producer would mix an album and then send it to a mastering engineer who would most definitely make different versions for all the different medium.

      Source: Ive mastered albums professionally

    12. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by jrumney · · Score: 1

      MQA has nothing to do with dynamic range. It's digital monster cable for your CDs.

    13. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "vertical travel"? Records haven't used hill and dale recording since the 1930s...

    14. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by geekmux · · Score: 1

      At what point did consumer generation come into play? The only data is that Vinyl is outselling digital downloads.

      And yet with 48% of them not planning on using the vinyl they purchased, and 7% of them not even owning hardware to play it, I'm only left wondering how many of them even know what a turntable is, hence the hipster assumption to justify 3x the cost for the same music in a different format.

      I certainly know my share of Baby Boomers and Gen X-ers who are also think earbuds & youtube are amazing.

      This is true, but more to my point, a very small percentage of people even know why music quality is so shitty, or what the Loudness War is, and it would appear that most of the vinyl purchases were done out of artist charity, and not quality.

    15. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      The DR rating is useless for LPs:

      https://hydrogenaud.io/index.p...

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    16. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      It's because everything sold in digital is mastered like garbage and there's so much bass you cant hear what the singer is singing.

      That's just bullshit. I have thousands of albums ripped from CDs and downloaded. None of them have overpowering bass, and most of them have decent-to-good mastering.

      You either have a problem with your ears, your room, your speakers or your amplifier, if bass is completely overpowering.

      Or maybe you're just listening to Bassy McBass and His All-Bass Big Bass Band XXXtra Bass Edition. In which case you should probably find something else to listen to.

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    17. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Jamu · · Score: 1

      Their hearing isn't what it used to be.

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    18. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Actually there are some pretty good high end earbuds, like the Yuin PK range. And in-ear monitors can be absolutely exceptional, some of the best headphones of any type on the market in terms of sound quality. It's no wonder really, since they both cut out most external sound and only require a relatively small (and thus easy to make rigid and to control) driver to produce ample volume.

      Check the Head-Fi forums, a lot of audiophiles love earbuds and monitors, and often drive them from portable devices.

      YouTube isn't terrible either, no worse than MP3 which at high bit rates is transparent to most people.

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    19. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's not correct. The problem isn't really the needle jumping, it's the needle wearing quickly and actually wearing down the record too. Heavily clipped tracks look like a square wave, smashing the needle back and forth.

      There used to be machines that would tell you if your mix was okay for vinyl based on various standards for its manufacture. These days there are digital plug-ins.

      As proof, compare these three versions of the same Santana album:

      CD, terrible: http://dr.loudness-war.info/al...
      "High def" 48/24 download, awful: http://dr.loudness-war.info/al...
      Vinyl, lovely: http://dr.loudness-war.info/al...

      You can browse that site for other artists, pretty much all vinyl releases since about 1990 are measurably better than the CD release.

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    20. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      I've watched a few of Ian's videos and he's wrong on a number of topics.

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    21. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Actually there are some pretty good high end earbuds, like the Yuin PK range. And in-ear monitors can be absolutely exceptional, some of the best headphones of any type on the market in terms of sound quality. It's no wonder really, since they both cut out most external sound and only require a relatively small (and thus easy to make rigid and to control) driver to produce ample volume.

      Check the Head-Fi forums, a lot of audiophiles love earbuds and monitors, and often drive them from portable devices.

      YouTube isn't terrible either, no worse than MP3 which at high bit rates is transparent to most people.

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have used earbuds for quite a while, along with a small portable amp to drive them. Quite nice when you have a decent sound source. The concerns to save space are not as prevalent as they used to be, so I don't even bother with any form of compression if I rip my music. Earbuds do a great job of sealing out external noise as well.

      The earbud audience I was referring to are the ones who think the free ear buds sold with many products are "amazing", and have never even bothered to actually take any effort or spend money to hear otherwise.

    22. Re:Looks like the loudness war is being fought by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      And of course, you can list all of those topics? :-)

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  5. A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Digital recorded music on vinyl is like dehydrated chicken in a home made soup mix.

    You do not gain anything from going from digital to analog back and gain all of the wow, flutter, pop, hiss, etc.

    Those that claim more 'warmth' are fooling themselves. Sure. Back when analog recordings were made vinyl was better. But once you lose the quality from the digitization process it is lost for good. Why is it so hard to realize that the music today is 99.99% recorded digitally and that is where the problem is.

    If you still believe in converting your digital recordings to analog I have LOTS of swamp land as well as land on Mars I'd like to sell you.

    1. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These vinyl recordings are the only way you can truly hear the ones and zeroes.

    2. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      You do not gain anything from going from digital to analog back and gain all of the wow, flutter, pop, hiss, etc.

      If you don't convert your digital music back to analog at some point, how are you supposed to listen to it?

    3. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be true were digital recording mastered properly to begin with. The entire point of vinyl is to remove the extra bass on everything digital because they put too damn much of it in every recording. There are almost no pops or hisses or flutters with high end tables. This is only a problem for the mass market tables under $2k. The tables and cartridges audiophiles uses eliminate almost all of that and yes they cost a fortune.

    4. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "warmth" and other things that people liked about analog was actually distortion. A 24 bit audio process isn't going to lose any more quality than a tape based process - and in fact, will probably lose less (again, the thing people like about the analog process is the way in which it destroys the sound).

      Personally, I've never found vinyl to be any better than CD, particularly once you factor in the aforementioned hiss and pop, etc.

    5. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, no one disputes this. The problem is the way the CD or digital recording is mastered. It's mastered wrong. Anything that destroys that wrongness is good. If they mastered digital music properly this would not be an issue and vinyl would be allowed to die. If you can get your hands on CDs made before 1989 or so -- those are better than any vinyl. It's the digital stuff mastered from 1989 onwards that's the problem.

    6. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alan Parsons disproved this. I have an instructional video from him and he demonstrates both analog and digital to awesome effect. Not all digital is created equal. You can absolutely have good digital. 44.1k/16 is not it though.

      Supertramp - Crime of the Century - my CD sounds better, of course they mastered the remastered vinyl off of CD so go figure.
      however
      Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms - CD originally recorded DDD. Remaster by mobile fidelity on vinyl puts it to absolute shame.

      Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - that heartbeat at the beginning um, the vinyl makes you feel like you're inside that chest, the CD sounds like it's coming from across the street.

      XTC - Skylarking - remastered vinyl is awesome the Blu-ray audio is also awesome I can't tell which is better. One analog, one digital, not CD.

    7. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by toadlife · · Score: 1

      There is one exception I know of after 89. The Smashing Pumpkins' 1993 album "Siamese Dream" took full advantage of CD's high available dynamic range.

      Annnnnnd of course, on the 2011 reissue/remaster of the album they compressed the shit out of it. :/

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    8. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by taustin · · Score: 1

      I recall watching a documentary on this very subject once. They have a series of professional sound engineers listen to the same recording in both digital (but done right, without any compression or any of the other idiocy) and analog (as in, recorded analog, not digital then converted), and the professional sound engineers couldn't tell the difference.

      The tables and cartridges audiophiles uses eliminate almost all of that and yes they cost a fortune.

      So do the Monster cables that cost thousands of dollars, that audiophiles can't tell apart from wire coat hanger.

      Audiophiles, like wine aficionados, experience what they expect. And nobody expects expensive stuff to sound the same as cheap stuff.

    9. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Verdatum · · Score: 1
      One is Analog microphones + digital effects & synths -> digital recording -> analog conversion through speakers which vibrates your ear.

      The other is Analog microphones + digital effects & synths -> digital recording -> analog recording -> conversion to voltages which are amplified -> conversion to speakers which move your ears

      Honestly, as long as the digital sample rate is high enough (these days, it always is) and you listen to the record on a quality hi-fi, and you take care of your records, then you aren't losing anything, except convenience. But yeah, you aren't really gaining anything either, unless you count the ability to do record-scratching (which can also be done digitally) and being more forced to listen to a whole side of a record before flipping it or changing records, instead of the modern ease of the "next track" button.

    10. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      There is one exception I know of after 89. The Smashing Pumpkins' 1993 album "Siamese Dream" took full advantage of CD's high available dynamic range.

      Annnnnnd of course, on the 2011 reissue/remaster of the album they compressed the shit out of it. :/

      Peter Gabriel CDs also had impressive amounts of dynamic range.

      And anything that has been touched in any way by Steven Wilson has spectacular dynamic range as well.

      Bottom line: As long as you avoid the Pop-du-Jour acts, most digital recordings are mastered pretty well, and some actually take advantage of that wonderful 96 dBm of dynamic range (and even (much) more with 24 bit DVD-A/SACD recordings).

    11. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Alan Parsons disproved this. I have an instructional video from him and he demonstrates both analog and digital to awesome effect. Not all digital is created equal. You can absolutely have good digital. 44.1k/16 is not it though.

      Supertramp - Crime of the Century - my CD sounds better, of course they mastered the remastered vinyl off of CD so go figure. however Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms - CD originally recorded DDD. Remaster by mobile fidelity on vinyl puts it to absolute shame.

      Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon - that heartbeat at the beginning um, the vinyl makes you feel like you're inside that chest, the CD sounds like it's coming from across the street.

      XTC - Skylarking - remastered vinyl is awesome the Blu-ray audio is also awesome I can't tell which is better. One analog, one digital, not CD.

      Wait!

      You're saying that the MFSL vinyl remaster of Brothers in Arms, which was one of the best sounding early CDs (and pretty much in everyone's collection) actually sounds better? How much do you have to spend on a turntable/tonearm/cartridge combo to make that a true statement? And how many plays do you get before that is no longer the case?

      I will agree with you wholeheartedly on DSOTM. Even the original vinyl pressings sound better than the three different digital versions I have. But we're talking about a 1974 analog master tape that was digitized back when there simply weren't any decent digital mastering decks.

      Now with Skylarking: You are talking about the "phase-corrected" version, right? I got a CD of that this past year and it sounds pretty stellar. Other than the phase-inversion snafu, Todd Rundgren did a frickin' spectacular job of mixing that highly-underrated album! Did they release the corrected version in DVD-A, too? My Oppo player doesn't do BD discs, and I do like (most) DVD-A remasters...

    12. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those that claim more 'warmth' are fooling themselves.

      Oh, come on. Next you'll be telling me that my $10k directional ethernet cables have no impact on sound quality!

    13. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cable stuff is crazy and I'm not advocating that crazy nonsense but the difference between MM and MC cartridges is not invented. An expensive preamp and an expensive MC cartridge make a huge difference.

    14. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by jrumney · · Score: 1

      PJ Harvey's "Dry" also comes to mind (a number of indie albums from that era went against the mainstream trend with plenty of dynamic range and a clean, minimal post-production sound)

    15. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you're saying makes no sense. A guitarist can put distortion onto his guitar part. It can sound better that way. It depends on the music. Your argument is not logically sound, because it assumes that some mathematical measure of information preservation is the appropriate measure for how every human enjoys a piece of recorded music.

      Tell a professional guitarist that converting back to analog after using his digital delay or reverb pedal never has a positive effect on his tone, so therefore there is no benefit to him using a tube amplifier instead of just recording direct to the DAW. He'll just laugh at you. And he'd be right too. There's more to making and playing back music than bit-to-bit accuracy.

    16. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the resale value on your FLAC downloads? I would guess zero. The resale value on the vinyl is pretty similar to the purchase price.

      Telling a girl, "Want to come up and listen to FLACs?" does not have the same effect that "Want to come up and listen to records?" has.

      There's a lot you're gaining by purchasing the vinyl instead of the download code.

    17. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by taustin · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It can bring the sound quality up to where it's equal to a properly recorded digital recording.

    18. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point of vinyl is what???? I think you are one confused bearded hipster millennial!

    19. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      once you lose the quality from the digitization process it is lost for good.

      Lose what quality? 44.1KHz/16bit (CD quality) is way beyond what LP, reel-to-reel or even the much-vaunted master tapes can manage.

      It sounds to me like you don't understand digital audio at all. You should watch this video: https://xiph.org/video/vid2.sh...

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    20. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Bob Katz did a great talk about what happened to digital mastering, some years ago.

      Back in the old days, you were advised to shoot for -20dBFS average sound level when recording/mastering digitally, and let the peaks fall where they may. Having a solid 20dB of headroom was a massive step forward and let artists record with basically all the dynamic range and headroom they could ever want.

      Now, everything is either normalized right up to 0dBFS for the peaks with some compression (which is not ideal, but OK), or outright slammed against 0dBFS with clipping as a result (which is NOT OK). When looking at the dynamic range of my collection, the peak badness seemed to hit right around the early 2000s. There are still badly-mastered albums released, but I have newer albums that are really well mastered. Not 20dB headroom well mastered, but still quite good.

      (I mostly listen to hard rock and metal, mostly non-mainstream bands. YMMV)

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    21. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Steven Wilson's remasters of Jethro Tull's albums are absolutely amazingly good. He also managed to salvage the sound on Opeth's "Damnation" album, where they had some issues with drum mics during the recordings, AFAIK they simply didn't have anything from the overhead mics.

      Compared to the original compromised release, his remaster is a revelation.

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    22. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      some actually take advantage of that wonderful 96 dBm of dynamic range (and even (much) more with 24 bit DVD-A/SACD recordings).

      No music takes full advantage of 96dB of dynamic range, it would simply be way too dynamic to even listen to. 96dB is like the difference between an extremely quiet room (20-30dB) and a chainsaw at full tilt at 1m distance. Most rooms have somewhere between 30-40dB background noise, so to actually use all of that dynamic range, the peaks would have to hit over 130dB, which is louder than a rock concert.

      24-bit has 144dB of theoretically possible dynamic range, which is even more ridiculous. To use that fully in a normal room, you would have to have peaks around 180dB, which is ~40dB above the threshold of pain, and would cause instantaneous hearing damage or even complete deafness.

      The point of 24-bit is not for playback, it's for recording and mastering. Every time your run the signal through another device, every time you apply an effect, every time you change the signal, you're adding a little bit of noise. That adds up over time. By using 24-bit, you make that noise accumulation quiet enough that it will not have an effect on the final 16-bit product.

      24-bit is pointless for playback.

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    23. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You can absolutely have good digital. 44.1k/16 is not it though.

      Yes, it is enough. In fact, it's more than enough.

      Despite a large number of controlled listening tests, and decades of audiophile bullshit about the subject, no one has been able to show an actual audible difference between 44.1KHz/16-bit and so-called "hi-res" audio for normal musical content. Never. Not even once.

      Hi-res audio is a scam.

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    24. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Steven Wilson's remasters of Jethro Tull's albums are absolutely amazingly good. He also managed to salvage the sound on Opeth's "Damnation" album, where they had some issues with drum mics during the recordings, AFAIK they simply didn't have anything from the overhead mics.

      Compared to the original compromised release, his remaster is a revelation.

      I don't doubt it. Steven Wilson is quite the digital restoration artist (among other things!). I am forever glad most of my precious prog music from the 70s and 80s is in his capable hands. There are a few of his mixes where I have some minor quibbles; but all-in-all, he does a bangup job!

      Of particular note is his remix of In The Court of the Crimson King (King Crimson). It sounds SOOOOO much better than the original vinyl, that it sounds like it was recorded/mastered DDD. And speaking of drums and overheads, you can really hear the "air" around Michael Giles' drums, the after-ring of the snare-head, and even the nylon tips of the drumsticks on the cymbals. Pretty good for an analog recording done in 1968-69!

      I know not of this Opeth of which you speak, however. Should I check them out? I'm not too much of a Death Metal fan; but their Wikipedia page makes me think they are more akin to Dream Theatre (but maybe a bit less "Proggy"), which I quite enjoy in limited doses... As for metal for metal's sake, I'm more of a Rammstein fan.

    25. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      some actually take advantage of that wonderful 96 dBm of dynamic range (and even (much) more with 24 bit DVD-A/SACD recordings).

      No music takes full advantage of 96dB of dynamic range, it would simply be way too dynamic to even listen to. 96dB is like the difference between an extremely quiet room (20-30dB) and a chainsaw at full tilt at 1m distance. Most rooms have somewhere between 30-40dB background noise, so to actually use all of that dynamic range, the peaks would have to hit over 130dB, which is louder than a rock concert.

      24-bit has 144dB of theoretically possible dynamic range, which is even more ridiculous. To use that fully in a normal room, you would have to have peaks around 180dB, which is ~40dB above the threshold of pain, and would cause instantaneous hearing damage or even complete deafness.

      I know all this; but thanks for the lesson. ;-)

      What I apparently should have said, to avoid triggering your "pedant" mode, is that they use more of the available 96 dBm dynamic range. I didn't mean to imply that any recording actually used it all (although things like the Telarc recording of the 1812 Overture ("Warning: Digital Cannons!" says the packaging) come pretty close.

      And of course NO playback system can actually realize the 144 dBm dynamic range possible with a 24 bit recording. But, like the 96 or 192 Ks/s sampling rate that usually goes hand-in-hand with that 24 bit depth, it is nice to know that any dithering, bit-bobbling, or other artifacts are well below the threshold of hearing, and that "digital clipping" is of no concern; simply because you can easily cover any conceivable recording without having to compress or limit the dynamic range on the input (recording) end of things...

      The point of 24-bit is not for playback, it's for recording and mastering. Every time your run the signal through another device, every time you apply an effect, every time you change the signal, you're adding a little bit of noise. That adds up over time. By using 24-bit, you make that noise accumulation quiet enough that it will not have an effect on the final 16-bit product.

      24-bit is pointless for playback.

      Again, I know all this.

      Just like above, the main point of 24 bit depth is to allow downstream digital processing without having "math errors" stacking-up to the point where they are of any audible concern. But since DSP fun is done both on the recording and playback ends, I submit that 24 bit has advantages there, too.

      My main quibble is actually not with the 16 bit depth for playback; but rather with that paltry 44.1 Ks/s sample rate. It's not that we need to record "music for dogs"; but rather that, with the sample-rate so low, the brick-wall Low-pass filters (whether digital or analog in nature) have significant comb-filter artifacts WAY down into the audible range. And that actually affects BOTH recording AND playback! Just because we can't really hear a stationary comb filter very well, doesn't mean it isn't there, and doesn't affect the overall sound.

      But the main reason that I like (re)purchasing selected recordings in 24/96, is more about "future proofing" and "preservation". With those rates/depths, it is highly unlikely that any conceivable playback method or medium will come along in the next few lifetimes to make those recordings sound like wax cylinders... So, I purchase the stuff partially because I want them to continue to see the value in these restorations/conversions; so they keep doing them.

    26. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by chefren · · Score: 1

      24-bit is pointless for playback.

      I guess the jury is still out on this one: http://www.aes.org/blog/2016/7... The paper itself is a free download: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/brows...

    27. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I know not of this Opeth of which you speak, however. Should I check them out? I'm not too much of a Death Metal fan; but their Wikipedia page makes me think they are more akin to Dream Theatre (but maybe a bit less "Proggy"), which I quite enjoy in limited doses... As for metal for metal's sake, I'm more of a Rammstein fan.

      Opeth are a prog metal band. They started out heavily influenced by death metal, so they interspersed heavy guitars and growled vocals with acoustic sections and clean singing. The contrast between soft/hard sections was their trademark. I recommend checking it out, even if you're not really into death metal.

      They started working on a softer, more prog rock sound on the Damnation album. And their last three albums have been full-on prog rock. A lot of the old fans don't like those albums, but I love them :-)

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    28. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      That's a meta-analysis, of a number of (flawed) other studies. The biggest problem is that the meta-analysis just accepts the findings of those other studies, no matter how flawed they are, and tries to draw a conclusion from that.

      https://hydrogenaud.io/index.p...

      If there really was that big of an audible difference as many audiophiles claim, it would have been proven conclusively years ago. But so far, the "best" result they have to show is this deeply flawed meta-analysis, which doesn't really prove anything at all.

      Meyer and Moran's study on the audibility of a CD-quality downsampling in the signal chain of hi-res audio is still significantly more relevant, and factual.

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    29. Re:A gift for the stupid and uneducated by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I know not of this Opeth of which you speak, however. Should I check them out? I'm not too much of a Death Metal fan; but their Wikipedia page makes me think they are more akin to Dream Theatre (but maybe a bit less "Proggy"), which I quite enjoy in limited doses... As for metal for metal's sake, I'm more of a Rammstein fan.

      Opeth are a prog metal band. They started out heavily influenced by death metal, so they interspersed heavy guitars and growled vocals with acoustic sections and clean singing. The contrast between soft/hard sections was their trademark. I recommend checking it out, even if you're not really into death metal.

      They started working on a softer, more prog rock sound on the Damnation album. And their last three albums have been full-on prog rock. A lot of the old fans don't like those albums, but I love them :-)

      Thanx for the education.I will check them out (esp. The more proggy stuff... ;-) )

  6. Good decoration for hanging. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The artwork on many classic albums are amazing and are worth framing and hanging on the wall.

  7. 7%? by ckatko · · Score: 1

    >while 7% did not even own a turntable.

    It's like Humble Bundles and steam sales, turned into real life.

    HOWEVER, it should be noted. People buy plenty of stuff for various reasons other than the media itself. Many people never open their "collectors edition" stuff. It's about owning something, not necessarily playing it.

    I own Demolition Man on LaserDisk, as well as Sega CD. I love that movie. I've didn't have the Laser Disk player when I bought it. And I still haven't watched it on LaserDisk. It's not about that. It's about having a little memento more than the media itself. And I don't even own a Sega CD. It's just a cool box, for a vintage game system from my childhood, for one of my favorite movies.

  8. I will not buy this record by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    it is scratched.

    1. Re:I will not buy this record by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      No, no, I'm sorry this article is about tobacconists.

    2. Re:I will not buy this record by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad? You haven't seen the state of your hovercraft lately.

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    3. Re:I will not buy this record by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Ah! I will not buy this tobacconist's, it is scratched.

  9. God bless hipsters by snookiex · · Score: 1

    I could finally get a needle for my old turntable. They had literally disappeared from the local music stores over here.

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    1. Re:God bless hipsters by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      Buy a laser pickup turntable. There's no physical contact with the grooves, so no degradation just from playing your record.

      Also, some of them come with optical scratch recognition and correction, so even pre-existing damage (within limits) doesn't affect the sound.

    2. Re:God bless hipsters by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      You should've stuck with the old 78s, all they required was a fresh cactus needle.

    3. Re:God bless hipsters by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Buy a laser pickup turntable. There's no physical contact with the grooves, so no degradation just from playing your record.

      Also, some of them come with optical scratch recognition and correction, so even pre-existing damage (within limits) doesn't affect the sound.

      They actually got that working?!? Cool!

    4. Re:God bless hipsters by Tapewolf · · Score: 1

      Buy a laser pickup turntable. There's no physical contact with the grooves, so no degradation just from playing your record.

      Last I heard, they don't work on coloured vinyl because it's translucent. Which is a bit unfortunate, since a lot of the 'Now for the first time on vinyl!' reissues are doing just that.

    5. Re:God bless hipsters by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Only $15,000.

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    6. Re:God bless hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was working 20 years ago. But not cheap.

    7. Re:God bless hipsters by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      It's crap.

      Unlike a normal turntable, where the stylus helps push aside dust, the laser turntable plays back EVERYTHING, which necessitates ridiculously heavy-handed click and noise reduction, which murders the sound quality.

      You're much better off with an ordinary setup of decent turntable and a decent cartridge. My SL-1210 Mk2 and a good Ortofon cartridge cost me $360, and will beat the laser turntable for sound quality any day of the week.

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    8. Re:God bless hipsters by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      As far as I know there is one guy in Japan still making those. Are there any other laser turntable manufacturers out there these days?

      Personally I just rip to 24/44.1 on the first play, normalize the volume level and export as 16/44.1 FLAC. Record gets played once, baring any screw ups.

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    9. Re:God bless hipsters by snookiex · · Score: 1

      Dude, you are totally taking the fun out of it :)

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  10. Wrong evaluation by aglider · · Score: 1

    1st. You can buy a single digital song, but are forced to buy an entire LP.
    2nd. An LP can costs more of the sum of the single digital songs.
    3rd. Digital songs have a larger market, thus lower prices.

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    1. Re:Wrong evaluation by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      1st. You can buy a single digital song, but are forced to buy an entire LP.

      I guess you're too young to remember 45's. They usually came with a different song on the flip side. It was usually crap, but there were a lot of really good b-side songs too.

    2. Re:Wrong evaluation by aglider · · Score: 1

      Most or current vinyl is 33 1/3 rpm or 12".

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    3. Re: Wrong evaluation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tons of stuff is still releasing on 45. I have several new albums on 45.

  11. Not surprising by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

    Analog is getting its revenge. From the review:

    "Analog experiences can provide us with the kind of real-world pleasures and rewards digital ones cannot," he writes, and "sometimes analog simply outperforms digital as the best solution." Pen and paper can give writers and designers a direct means of sketching out their ideas without the complicating biases of software, while whiteboards can bring engineers "out from behind their screens" and entice them "to take risks and share ideas with others."

    And further down the review:

    In these pages, Mr. Sax takes us on a spirited tour of the resurgent analog universe. He takes us to United Record Pressing, a vinyl plant in Nashville that's churning out 40,000 records a day, with a staff that's tripled since 2010.

    Of course this is nothing new. I've been saying analog is better than digital for a very long time despite being modded down every time I say it.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by wagnerrp · · Score: 0

      I've been saying analog is better than digital for a very long time despite being modded down every time I say it.

      That's because you are objectively wrong. With digital data, loss of data is optional. With analog data, it is guaranteed and unavoidable. As long as your digital systems are held to a higher fidelity than the sensory inputs of the human body, then they are a perfect reproduction of the original data, and definitively better than anything analog.

    2. Re:Not surprising by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Pen and paper can give writers and designers a direct means of sketching out their ideas without the complicating biases of software, while whiteboards can bring engineers "out from behind their screens" and entice them "to take risks and share ideas with others."

      Terrible analogy. The actual art in the performance is whatever the performer wants to present, whether that's with a classical orchestra or synthesizers. Analogue/digital distribution is way down the line.

      Of course this is nothing new. I've been saying analog is better than digital for a very long time despite being modded down every time I say it.

      Because it's bollocks. A good digital recording of the signal from a turntable will be indistinguishable from direct analogue playback. Done right, digital will outperform analogue. It isn't always done right, especially these days thanks to the loudness war, but that isn't an inherent problem with digital. Anything else is just nostalgia - you like it because it sounds like the things you like.

      If you want to say that the available analogue recordings are better than the digital ones, well, you might well have a point. But digital itself is not the problem.

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    3. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. But I would also say that better is a matter of what you're after.
      Portability - MP3
      Cost - MP3
      Quality - LP
      Longevity - MP3
      Artwork - LP
      Ability to read the lyrics - LP

      It depends on what you find important. And notice where CD is in this conversation? This is why it's going away.

    4. Re:Not surprising by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Because it's bollocks. A good digital recording of the signal from a turntable will be indistinguishable from direct analogue playback. Done right, digital will outperform analogue. It isn't always done right, especially these days thanks to the loudness war, but that isn't an inherent problem with digital. Anything else is just nostalgia - you like it because it sounds like the things you like.

      Hear, Hear! (pun intended)

      Bad recording/mastering sounds bad. Good recording/mastering sounds good.

      But all things being equal, a good digital recording will beat the pants offa good analog recording, every time.

    5. Re: Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plenty of new vinyl is simply the digital anyways, just converted to analog.

      getting the lossless digital version is like. getting the master copy.

    6. Re:Not surprising by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      What a load of absolute twaddle and bullshit.

      Comparing pen and paper to vinyl records is disingenuous at best, the purposes, end results and methods are completely different. Pen and paper should be compared to a musical instrument, something which is used to create art.

      But LPs are meant to reproduce the already-recorded art, and they do a middling-to-poor job at it, compared to digital audio, which is simply more accurate to the recording in every way possible.

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    7. Re:Not surprising by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Quality goes to the LP? The format with severe problems for bass reproduction, limited frequency response, linearity problems, wow+flutter and countless other faults that negatively impact sound quality.

      A CD is merely a physical distribution format for 44.1KHz/16-bit digital audio. The physical format is going away, but the same digital audio lives on as FLAC and WAV downloads.

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  12. Peak Hipster by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have we just reached peak hipster?

    1. Re:Peak Hipster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vinyl players are USB devices for over 90% of those sold since 2014 (according to Amazon's figures). We're not looking at a national picking up Linn decks with a £1000 diamond stylus. You can pick up a "deck" for £35, and people are trying them out via their laptop speakers. It's actually rather funny.

  13. It's not the vinyl, it's the subscriptions by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This trend has less to do with the increasing vinyl sales and more to do with the fact that more and more people are getting their digital music from a subscription service vs buying it outright. Spotify, Pandora, Amazon, Google, and Apple music services are gobbling up digital sales.

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    1. Re:It's not the vinyl, it's the subscriptions by Verdatum · · Score: 2

      I think this trend also has to do with where these articles are getting their numbers. From what I'm seeing, the ERA might not get a full report on all digital download sales from the UK; while they probably are privy to nearly all vinyl sales.

    2. Re:It's not the vinyl, it's the subscriptions by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      This trend has more to do with the fact that "man bites dog" stories are always good for hits.

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    3. Re:It's not the vinyl, it's the subscriptions by lazarus · · Score: 1

      There is another aspect to this that I have not seen mentioned yet too. When you buy a vinyl album you will often get either download codes or FLAC files or in the case of a retailer like Amazon they add the digital version right into your amazon music library.

      So you don't actually have to play the vinyl if you don't want to -- but you still have music that you can hold in your f*cking hand and know that you own it.

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  14. Classical Records by avandesande · · Score: 1

    If you go used you can get things that are not available any more and can't be found on youtube or anywhere else.

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    1. Re:Classical Records by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I mostly buy LPs so I can have the albums I grew up with on tape, in their original intended format. Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Procol Harum, all of that stuff.

      I have some newer albums on LP as well, but I've stopped buying those, since they don't really make much sense. I would much rather have the exact same master as a digital file instead. I do make exceptions for tour singles that are only released on vinyl, autographed albums and a small selection of stoner/doom metal/rock bands, where I think the format just fits the genre.

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  15. Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This confirms what Americans thought. Brits are all elitist douchebag hipsters.

  16. So UK consumers are dumb too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you buy a vinyl record just to look at? I am a fan of vinyl but if someone gave me music to play on vinyl I would want to listen to it, not look at the cover.
    The other quirk in this is that people still feel physical products have much more value than a digital download.

  17. Audio Vegans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about the "cool" factor.

  18. "digital downloads" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, analog downloads are popular as ever.

    1. Re:"digital downloads" by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Oh man yeah, I absolutely hate the term "digital download". Whoever came up with that should be shot.

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    2. Re:"digital downloads" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have a problem with it. It's mean to distinguish from other digital media, not other download types.

  19. Higher dollars isn't more purchaes by taustin · · Score: 2

    Given how close the amounts are, and that vinyl costs quite a bit more per album, it's pretty clear this is still far fewer purchases. In fact, given that vinyl is more a fad (with half of them never being played), this could easily be accounted for by the same number of sales at twice the price each.

    In other words, this isn't particularly meaningful data, except that audiophiles haven't gotten any less gullible in the last year.

  20. This is about turnover by itsdapead · · Score: 2

    that Britons spent 2.4 million pounds ($3.03 million) on the old-school wax last week while only doling out 2.1 million pounds ($2.65 million) for digital downloads.

    So, its about turnover rather than numbers of sales. Lets have a look on Amazon...

    Thought so:
    Dark side of the moon vinyl: £18.98
    Dark side of the moon digital download: £7.99
    ...or stream for £0 if you already have Amazon Prime
    ...or rip the CD you bought in 1988 for £0
    ...or screw over those poor, penniless artists and torrent for £0.

    So, yeah, you can see why the turnover on vinyl is tasty.

    Got to hand it to the music industry: after getting everybody to replace all their vinyl with CDs in the 80s, it must have been so frustrating when the next big format let you convert all your CDs for free, but now they've gone back to the drawing board, applied themselves and found a wheeze to get everybody to replace all of their MP3s with vinyl again... so it looks like vinyl may even outlive the CD.

    Remember guys - store all your CDs carefully for the grandkids so they're ready for the big 16-bit revival in 2050...

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    1. Re:This is about turnover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll find that the poor, penniless artists get screwed with each of those options.

  21. UK That far Behind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That they've only had digital downloads for a week?

  22. take a small enough sample by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you loose all perspective, statistics are too easy to spin.

  23. I have a vinyl collection but no record player by Velimir · · Score: 2

    I'm one of those weirdo's who buys vinyl without owning a record player. It's mainly because I get something that is a beautiful large collector's item, it costs a tiny bit more than the CD and I already have the digital version so vinyl represents a distinct version of the music. I fully intend to one day buy a record player and listen to all my records, but I'm in no rush.

  24. Overpriced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is just because vinyl records are now overpriced hipster gymics now.

  25. Not that exciting when you realize that... by oldcarsmell · · Score: 1

    Most people don't buy music anymore anyway. And I'm not just talking piracy, I mean streaming services as well.

  26. Vinyl + digital is best! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I buy music, I prefer to own a physical copy of it. Now that some companies like Amazon offer a digital download for free when you buy music on a physical medium, I've found myself opting for vinyl over CD if the price difference isn't too great. I mean in reality, the digital version is the version I'm going to be playing, the larger size of vinyl allows for some great artwork, and there's just something inherently cool about an audio storage system that strictly speaking doesn't even need electricity to play (although I'm not aware of any steam/pneumatic gas powered record players), let alone electronic decoding hardware.

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  28. A few words from an vinyl mastering engineer by michaelamerz · · Score: 1
    Howdy - I am mastering and cutting vinyl almost every day. Let me throw a few cents into the discussion. First: So funny that people stick to their flawed opinion regardless of what physics explains. I bet a few of those buy speaker cables for $100 per foot. Or a gold plated power plug to make the juice "flow" easier.

    No doubt - a live DSD recording is very, very cool. Though it depends on the position of the microphone(s) and how the recording engineer mixes all the input streams. Back in the old days they had 2 (maybe 3) mics and that obviously gave a more "natural" source. The Dorati 1812 (Mercury Living Stereo) is a good example. An average concert stage now has 10 or 15 mics floating above the action and the recording engineer downmixes those to Stereo. Unfortunately very often with little success. Compare a high quality Mercury Living Stereo with a modern Digital recording and -most of the time- you will like the vintage recording more - even though - strictly speaking - the physical "quality" of the digital medium is superior.

    The talk about "bass" not being reproduced on a record .. well .. as usual with analog .. it depends. The RIAA curves make it possible to cut good bass on the record without loosing too much "real estate" (records are cut after shifting the sound into a higher frequency band. The playback equipment "shifts" it back down so that it sounds ok). But cutting too much bass and you may have the needle jump out of the groove because physical limitations make it impossible to follow the groove. And since records are cut to be played even with shitty equipment, bass is sometimes reduced to safe margins. But even with RIAA bass needs more space. And there's the rumble filter. So there are a number of reasons why some records don't feel to have the right "boom". But it's not necessarily a limitation of the record.

    All in all : Back in the days only highly trained and experienced engineers were allowed to touch the very expensive studio equipment. A few of them are still active and they still produce stunning results - yes .. on vinyl. Today - almost anybody is an "expert". "nuff said. m.