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T-Mobile CFO: Less Regulation, Repeal of Net Neutrality By Trump Would Be 'Positive For My Industry' (tmonews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TmoNews: T-Mobile CFO Braxton Carter spoke at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference in New York City, and he touched a bit on President-elect Donald Trump and what his election could mean for the mobile industry. Carter expects that a Trump presidency will foster an environment that'll be more positive for wireless. "It's hard to imagine, with the way the election turned out, that we're not going to have an environment, from several aspects, that is not going to be more positive for my industry," the CFO said. He went on to explain that there will likely be less regulation, something that he feels "destroys innovation and value creation." Speaking of innovation, Carter also feels that a reversal of net neutrality and the FCC's Open Internet rules would be good for innovation in the industry, saying that it "would provide opportunity for significant innovation and differentiation" and that it'd enable you to "do some very interesting things."

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  1. Would it be positive for your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you name one thing that your customers actually want that is actually being prevented by network neutrality regulations? Or is this more of the same big business "we'll tell you what you want and you'll like it!" bullshit we've gotten for years and years?

    1. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by ichthus · · Score: 2

      Binge On

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    2. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What carriers REALLY want to do is hit up everyone for protection money by threatening them with slowdowns, delays, and data charges if they don't pony up.

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    3. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Stream Game of Thrones now without using your data, exclusively on AT&T" is something that carriers and content providers really want to do.

      Close. They want the MONEY that comes with EXCLUSIVITY.

      Somebody is paying for that. The big companies want it to be HBO or Showtime or Disney or whoever, spending tons of money to other big companies so the big companies can promote their big ideas.

      The problem is that everybody else is excluded. Want to be in the Free Data system? Pay up. This is completely against the concept of net neutrality where all content is treated as equal content.

      Prioritization is a similar issue. It is true that networks need to prioritize some types of data over other types of data. Phone calls shouldn't be buffered behind a large file transfer, so a limited degree of QoS needs to take place. But categorizing one provider over another provider is unfair. Having HBO streaming arrive at a higher QoS priority and Netflix streaming appear dead last in the QoS where it is constantly buffering and suffering lost packets because Netflix refused to pay up, that is unfair to customers.

      If I pay for data it should not matter to the phone company what data I get. They should be treated as common carriers. If I want to stream data from a premium channel, or from youtube, or from a private website, or from a site the phone company thinks is undesirable, it should not matter at all. Customer pays to stream data at a specific speed, then the data should be processed at that speed. Just like common carriers of the postal service or parcel companies, if the customer pays to transfer something then it gets transferred, they don't decide to keep one company's boxes in the warehouse for an extra week just because they didn't pay an extra fee, it arrives in the warehouse it is processed just like every other package. There are still QoS for certain types of packages, a "next day air" versus regular ground shipment, but nothing is delayed because of the carrier's choices.

      Binge-On is great this way. The customer can say "throttle ALL my data", or "stop throttling ALL my data". It isn't the phone company getting paid to bless a specific company with different speeds.

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    4. Re: Would it be positive for your customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously have no idea what net neutrality is actually about. The idea isn't to make your existing service any better. The idea is to keep it from being choked to death by your ISP so they can serve cat videos from YouTube faster than you can fetch your email because Google has an agreement in place for that.

      Net neutrality is an attempt to guarantee that the Big Players can't effectively take-over the Internet so that nobody else can effectively communicate.

    5. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Upgrade? Hah! You're a funny guy. Netflix will be lucky to not get blocked entirely.

    6. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Not true. Think of how creative the tobacco industry was with their products and advertisements before they were regulated!

      I'm sure AT&T and Comcast will come up with all sorts of creative ways to keep customers paying ever more to receive less and less service!

      Innovation y'all!

      I remember a few years ago up here in Canada when Bell & friends were pushing for data usage caps and they were quick to point out how it cause Netflix to "innovate" the great idea of degrading video quality to near-unwatchable levels (like 360p or even 240p) in order to stay within your cap at a time when we were used to 1080p.

      I mean sure it worked, but that's not really the kind of innovation that moves society forward. Its the kind of "innovation" that we produce as a last resort when we have no other options.

    7. Re:Would it be positive for your customers? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Yes, more sponsored free data transfer and optimization from content providers. It's a grey area now. But "Stream Game of Thrones now without using your data, exclusively on AT&T" is something that carriers and content providers really want to do.

      You can have this kind of thing with network neutrality.

      What carriers REALLY want to do is hit up everyone for protection money by threatening them with slowdowns, delays, and data charges if they don't pony up.

      This is the problem you have without network neutrality.

      The problem isn't with promoting content or unmetered content. The problem is with deliberately slowing down or shaping content that isn't paying. Hell, you can even prioritise traffic as long as non-priority traffic is delivered at wire speed rather than at a shaped speed.

      Given how national communication grids are designed, chances are at one point your stream of GOT will cross out of an AT&T network and onto another provider who hasn't got an exclusive deal with the content provider. Without network neutrality, they have the capability to slow that traffic.

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  2. Brave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So brave of Mr. Carter to talk about deregulation at a banking conference. I'm sure his notions were vigorously challenged.

  3. But for consumers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a consumer; however, it would be painful for both my wallet and my rectum. And they don't even have the goddamn common courtesy to give a reach around.

  4. Positive for the ISPs by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But bad for everyone else. The ISPs control a bottleneck of the usually meshed internet: the last mile. Everywhere else one can route around a bad actor, but there leads only one line to the end users, and it goes through the ISPs.

    1. Re:Positive for the ISPs by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I'd rather have the last mile be a public utility, giving me a wider choice of providers. If the providers don't have to run wire to every customer's house, merely to a routing node, many more will be able to enter the market.

      Our current specimens of oligopolies here suck rotting bundles of moldy maggot-filled pig feces on a good day.

    2. Re:Positive for the ISPs by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      This is a good idea, and in fact something like that was even required in europe when the old state owned telephone companies (which owned monopolies) were put on the market, to make it possible for competitors to enter it. But its no replacement for net neutrality, because people will still blame youtube for being slow, not the ISP, and they will still only chose one ISP at a time.

  5. Why not eliminate the Sherman Antitrust Act, too? by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By that same standard, the Sherman Antitrust Act, which was designed to prevent precisely the same sorts of abuse that Net Neutrality laws prevent, is also an impediment to innovation and doing interesting things, if by interesting things, you mean using bundling to drive your competition out of the market and creating an oligopoly of content providers owned by the same folks who own the pipes (i.e. the exact opposite of what the Internet was intended to be).

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  6. What a coincidence! by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Wells Fargo says the same thing... Well, minus the 'net neutrality' thing...

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    1. Re:What a coincidence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Posting AC for obvious reasons.

      Working in the mortgage industry as I do, I wasn't particularly surprised when I heard basically the same thing at a get-together with other mortgage professionals last week. The most fun part was after a few drinks people basically predicted another housing bubble coming out of this administration and suggested to either get in on it and get out fast while the getting is good or to make long-term investments to outlast it.

  7. Not the "innovation" we are looking for by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Funny

    Definition of innovation (merriam-webster) 1 : the introduction of something new 2 : a new idea, method, or device : novelty So new idea's on how to rip off your customers are technically "innovation," just not the sort of Innovation we are looking for in the field

  8. Re:Civics class 101 ... by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4, Informative

    In this case, the FCC is the rulesmaking body that started this particular fight. This makes the answer: Excutive.

    Now, the Legislative branch could get involved by writing up a new law outlining the FCC's authority or amending the FCC's charter. But right now, thanks to the Chevron decision and several decisions since this is clearly in the Executive's bailiwick.

  9. Are you sure T-Mobile? by guruevi · · Score: 2

    The reason we need regulation like net neutrality is because of regulation preventing new players to enter the market. I am all for deregulation IF you deregulate completely, not selectively. T-Mobile would love deregulation of net neutrality and the current "rules" don't have teeth to them anyway so I don't see why, they're still happily violating it. I would also love deregulation of the entire wireless market and the government to open the lines the tax payer has paid for. Pretty much all copper, fiber and antennae are heavily subsidized if not completely paid for by the tax payer. Sure let's deregulate those usage rights on federally, state and local levels and give them back to the tax payer.

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  11. Lets turn the dial to zero then by mystik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about we give him exactly what he wants.

    And remove the regulations that forbid or make difficult municipal internet & Wifi?

    And remove the regulations that make it harder for groups to even attempt to enter the last mile to compete?

    I mean, if we're gonna roll back regulations, lets roll them back!

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    1. Re:Lets turn the dial to zero then by Desler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even better: remove all regulations on spectrum use. Why shouldn't I be able to "innovate" with the air waves?

  12. How interesting? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

    Are we talking interesting things like Enron? Or interesting things like Fanny Mae?

    The only interesting thing I'm sure will NOT come from this is what the FCC were doing until Trump, - adding consumer protections in a geographical monopoly trying to break into a full-on walled garden monopoly.

  13. What carriers want is not to be carriers by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They want to be closed worlds, revenue generating from everything you do on their network and with their business partners only.

    They want perpetual customer lock-in, because each "carrier's" dog's breakfast of apps and locked-content portals would be so different from other carriers' offerings that it would be too confusing and too much work to ever change the "Carrier-net" (as opposed to Internet) that you belong to.

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    1. Re:What carriers want is not to be carriers by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There was a point in time when you could only use the startrek.com website if you were on a specific ISP. I don't remember which ISP it was; this was *EONS* ago, probably in the 90s. I vaguely remember getting angry about it and writing a ranty post on Usenet, though I can't find it now in Google Groups.

      This is the kind of crap we might see again if Net Neutrality is tossed to the wind.

      Whoah! I just remembered. It was the Star Trek Continuum site, and it only worked on MSN. Here's a link:

      http://www.trektoday.com/colum...

      The idea of this crap happening again really bothers me.

  14. Glitchless streaming. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can you name one thing that your customers actually want that is actually being prevented by network neutrality regulations?

    Glitchless streaming.

    Streaming (things like audio, video, phone calls) requires relatively small and constant bandwidth (though compression adds variability) but isn't good at tolerating dropouts or variations in transit time. When it does get dropouts it's better to NOT send a retry correction (and have the retry packet risk delaying and/or forcing the drop of another packet).

    TCP connections (things like big file transfers) error check and retry, fixing dropouts and errors so the data arrives intact, though with no guarantee exactly when. But they achieve high bandwidth and evenly divide the bandwidth at a bottleneck by deliberately speeding up until they super-saturate the bottleneck and force dropouts. The dropouts tell them they've hit the limit, so they slow down and track the bleeding edge.

    Put them both on a link and treat the packets equally and TCP causes streaming to break up, stutter, etc. Overbuilding the net helps, but if the data to be tranferred is big enough TCP will ALWAYS saturate a link somewhere along the way.

    Identify the traffic type and treat their packets differently - giving higher priority to stream packets (up to a limit, so applications can't gain by cheating, claiming to be a stream when they're not) - and then they play together just fine. Stream packets zip through, up to an allocation limit at some fraction of the available bandwidth, and TCP transfers evenly divide what's left - including the unused part of the streams' allocation.

    But the tools for doing this also enable the ISPs to do other, not so good for customers, things. Provided they chose to do so, of course.

    IMHO the bad behavior can be dealt with best, not by attempting to enforce "Network Neutrality" as a technical hack at an FCC regulation level, but as a consumer protection issue, by an agency like the FTC. Some high points:
      - Break up the vertical integration of ISPs into "content provider" conglomerates, so there's no incentive to penalize the packets of competitors to the mother-ship's services.
      - Treat things like throttling high-volume users and high-bandwidth services as consumer fraud: "You sold 'internet service'". Internet service doesn't work that way. Ditto "pay for better treatment of your packets" (but not "pay to sublet a fixed fraction of the pipe").
      - Extra scrutiny for possible monopolistic behavior anywhere there are less than four viable broadband competitors, making it impractical for customers to "vote with their feet".

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    1. Re:Glitchless streaming. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Streaming (things like audio, video, phone calls) requires relatively small and constant bandwidth (though compression adds variability) but isn't good at tolerating dropouts or variations in transit time. When it does get dropouts it's better to NOT send a retry correction (and have the retry packet risk delaying and/or forcing the drop of another packet).

      Low latency and jitter are only helpful for real-time communications otherwise mostly irrelevant for Internet based content "Streaming" services.

      Put them both on a link and treat the packets equally and TCP causes streaming to break up, stutter, etc. Overbuilding the net helps, but if the data to be tranferred is big enough TCP will ALWAYS saturate a link somewhere along the way.

      Nonsense. You maintain low latency and minimize jitter with queue management. There are a many different fair queues you can pick from that will do this without caring at all about content.

      TCP connections (things like big file transfers) error check and retry, fixing dropouts and errors so the data arrives intact

      TCP can only retransmit. Only place meaningful error correction occurs is link layer. IP layer "checksums" are at best decorative.. at worst a useless waste of bandwidth and silicon.

      Identify the traffic type and treat their packets differently - giving higher priority to stream packets (up to a limit, so applications can't gain by cheating, claiming to be a stream when they're not) - and then they play together just fine. Stream packets zip through, up to an allocation limit at some fraction of the available bandwidth, and TCP transfers evenly divide what's left - including the unused part of the streams' allocation.

      But the tools for doing this also enable the ISPs to do other, not so good for customers, things. Provided they chose to do so, of course.

      Content based prioritization is mostly pointless in the real world. It doesn't work across administrative domains and when it works at all tends to be a result of either a network being hopelessly oversubscribed or not properly managed.

      Treat things like throttling high-volume users

      Metering total packets to or from a customer isn't a net neutrality issue.

    2. Re: Glitchless streaming. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      I hate to break it to you, but streaming services use TCP to transfer video for things like Netflix, etc. It sounds insane, since UDP is the "obvious" choice for streaming video, but in fact they make lots of small TCP (actually HTTP) requests because they have to adjust the quality of the stream to meet the quality target (e.g don't stutter and keep playing no matter what). That's why your evening streaming movie sometimes goes to very low quality for a few seconds and then goes back to high-quality.

      Content streaming (e.g. Netflix) is bulk transmission. All that matters is whether or not there is sufficient bandwidth available in the aggregate to keep receive buffer from emptying completely.

      UDP is used for "streaming" real-time data such as voice or video calling and has very different channel requirements from that of content streaming. Here latency and jitter are critical to quality of service while these same characteristics are essentially irrelevant for Netflix.

    3. Re:Glitchless streaming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Net Neutrality doesn't say anything about treating TCP and UDP connections the same. If it does, you're reading too much Alt Right Wing news.

      NN says that every similar type of content should be treated the same way. NN does NOT say that all content has to be treated the same way.

      - Someone who's Whatsapp video chatting vs someone who's Skyping should be treated the same, and says nothing about what priority Youtube is compared to the video chat services.
      - Throttling or charging high-usage users is also not covered in NN.
      - Charging users for any streaming video is also allowed.

      Prioritizing JUST Whatsapp is.

    4. Re:Glitchless streaming. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      This is not something that network neutrality prevents. QoS is completely allowed. If something on the customer's endpoint (or the remote) marks its packets as more sensitive to bandwidth, latency, or jitter then you are completely free to put them into different queues that priorities one or two of those attributes at the expense of the others. The only catch is that you must do the same for all traffic marked in such a way, irrespective of the remote endpoint. If you offer a VoIP service and mark its traffic as being low bandwidth, but being very sensitive to latency and jitter then you can't special-case this and make sure that the experience for your customers is better than a third-party SIP provider or Skype. Similarly, you can't launch your own video streaming service and give it a bigger share of the bandwidth and you can't take money from Hulu or Netflix to prioritise their traffic over their competitors.

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  15. Re:Fog by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Indeed that is true. Crony capitalism.

  16. 1980s/1990s online service redux by BlytheBowman · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was called AOHell back in the mid 90s. Or Fraudigy. Or Compu$$$erve. The bad old days are (comming) here again!

  17. Re:I hate to say it by Altrag · · Score: 2

    A lot of those folks went to the poll for Trump

    The working class has lost solidarity

    Not sure those two add up.

    a lot who didn't stayed home instead of throwing in for Hilary

    Unless there's some evidence that only Hilary supporters were too lazy to go out and vote, this doesn't really modify your initial statement to any interesting degree.

    And without that we're getting picked apart

    In what way? Trump was talking up bringing jobs back to America and killing NAFTA and raising import tariffs and yadayadayada. I mean there's little chance he'll manage most of that but if you're living in a factory town that no longer has a factory, the rhetoric sounds a lot better than Clinton's promising to raise minimum wage. Minimum wage is a pretty meaningless concept when you don't have a job.

    Honestly I'm not surprised Trump won. I pretty much expected it when I first heard that he'd gone for the RNC nomination. He says what you want to hear and he says it loudly, no matter how impractical or politically incorrect it is. That's a strong draw after decades of presidents who seem to ignore public opinion.

    Of course whether or not Trump can actually accomplish anything remains to be seen. Obama sounded good in 2008 and spent his first few months trying his damnedest to implement some of the promises he made.. but after being continually blocked and denied his legacy is a healthcare act that got so compromised by private interests that its entire purpose is constantly questioned, even by people who believe in socialized health care as a concept.

    Will Trump repeat Obama's failure? Or will he actually succeed in fulfilling some of his campaign promises? Only time will tell. Some things are almost certainly out -- he can't easily build a wall (never mind making Mexico pay for it.) That's the kind of project that might get started just for the sake of saving face, go 20 miles and then get dropped because its incredibly expensive and relatively pointless.

    Killing NAFTA is perhaps a bit more likely, but it still would require an enormous amount of support in both government and private business. Sure, lots of factory jobs got moved to Mexico after NAFTA but the economy as a whole benefits in other ways (like being able to buy cheaper goods because the companies only have to pay Mexican's 1/2 of what they were previously paying their American workers.) So yeah Flint might get its car factory back, but everyone in the country now has to pay an extra $5000 for a new car. That's an easy sell to the residents of Flint but a lot harder to sell to the rest of the country.

    Raising import tariffs? What, are you going to prevent Walmart from importing 99% of their products from China? How do you propose that all of those low- and even middle-income families that currently rely on cheap goods be able to make ends meet when everything is two or three times the current price? Even if you kill NAFTA, wages won't go up significantly, especially not in the short term.

    Reducing environmental restrictions because he "doesn't believe" in climate change? Obama already ratified the Paris Agreement so unless Trump's willing to break UN protocol, you're stuck with a minimal level of environmental protections. Even the US would have trouble saving face after that kind of turnabout.

    And so on and so on. Turns out that even when you're president, you can't just say something and have it be made so.

    Wow I really ranted well off topic there didn't I? Oh well I'll make up for it by failing to use the Preview button!

  18. Re:Why not eliminate the Sherman Antitrust Act, to by Bob_Who · · Score: 2

    There is honestly nothing in your post that is factual.

    So elect him president...oh, never mind.