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Earth's Day Lengthens By Two Milliseconds a Century, Astronomers Find (theguardian.com)

Researchers at Durham University and the UK's Nautical Almanac Office compiled nearly 3,000 years of celestial records and found that with every passing century, the day on Earth lengthens by two milliseconds as the planet's rotation gradually winds down. The Guardian reports: The split second gained since the first world war may not seem much, but the time it takes for a sunbeam to travel 600km towards Earth can cost an Olympic gold medal, as the American Tim McKee found out when he lost to Sweden's Gunnar Larsson in 1972. For those holding out for a whole extra hour a day, be prepared for a long wait. Barring any change in the rate of slowing down, an Earth day will not last 25 hours for about two million centuries more. Researchers at Durham University and the UK's Nautical Almanac Office gathered historical accounts of eclipses and other celestial events from 720BC to 2015. The oldest records came from Babylonian clay tablets written in cuneiform, with more added from ancient Greek texts, such as Ptolemy's 2nd century Almagest, and scripts from China, medieval Europe and the Arab dominions. The ancient records captured the times and places that people witnessed various stages of solar and lunar eclipses, while documents from 1600AD onwards described lunar occultations, when the moon passed in front of particular stars and blocked them from view. To find out how the Earth's rotation has varied over the 2,735-year-long period, the researchers compared the historical records with a computer model that calculated where and when people would have seen past events if Earth's spin had remained constant. The astronomers found that Earth's spin would have slowed down even more had it not been for a counteracting process. Since the end of the most recent ice age, land masses that were once buried under slabs of frozen water have been unloaded and sprung back into place. The shift caused the Earth to be less oblate -- or squished -- on its axis. And just as a spinning ice skater speeds up when she pulls in her arms, so the Earth spins faster when its poles are less compressed. Changes in the world's sea levels and electromagnetic forces between Earth's core and its rocky mantle had effects on Earth's spin too, according to the scientists' report in Proceedings of the Royal Society.

140 comments

  1. Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must be s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I suggest we tie a string around the equator, then launch a mighty rocket into space that we've tied to the end.

    I foresee no problems with this plan.

  2. Creationism Proven! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More irrefutable evidence of God's magnificence.

    1. Re:Creationism Proven! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because every 2 milliseconds He ruins someone's life?

    2. Re: Creationism Proven! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of the devil. God just shakes his head and says, "I told ya so".

    3. Re: Creationism Proven! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If God exists he is a freaking son of a bitch. Fuck you for destroying my life, god of the jews.

    4. Re: Creationism Proven! by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      hate to say it, but sounds like you deserve it.

  3. Lies and propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earth spinning slows down? Must be a conspiracy theory from liberal lizard people. As far as we know, the flat plate known as the Earth haven't moved a bit at all, since its creation ~6000 years ago!

    1. Re:Lies and propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact it is caused by the number of good US presidents spinning in their graves after Trumplthinskins election.

    2. Re:Lies and propaganda by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Of course not: If it moved it might disturb the turtle.

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    3. Re:Lies and propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny especially since it's mostly Republicans that believe that conspiracy crap. Look on any of those Conspiracy sites... Conservative as heck. Stop twisting things.

    4. Re: Lies and propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, the president of the Flat Earth Society is an evolutionist.

    5. Re:Lies and propaganda by number6x · · Score: 2

      That's funny especially since it's mostly Republicans that believe that conspiracy crap. Look on any of those Conspiracy sites... Conservative as heck. Stop twisting things.

      Any of 'those' conspiracy sites? Do you have any idea how prejudice that statement sounds? tell me more about how 'those' people who visit 'those' sites think. You sound like such an expert on the psychology of large groups of people you arbitrarily group together and slap some label on.

      GMO foods. Definitely not conservative.

      Vaccination. Definitely not conservative.

      Big Pharma. Definitely not conservative.

      You may not be aware of all the nutjobs on the left, but there is plenty of nuttiness to spread across the entire political spectrum. Believing in hoaxes and BS is a human attribute that gets exhibited by conservatives and liberals alike.

    6. Re: Lies and propaganda by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Actually, the president of the Flat Earth Society is an evolutionist.

      That's on THIS side of earth...
      On the other side (they don't like being called "bottoms" for some reason) the President of the Flat Earth Society is a Pastafarian that DJ's bar mitzvahs on the weekends...
      BTW, the people of both sides that live on the edge don't mind being called edgy.

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    7. Re:Lies and propaganda by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

      How do you know that are "definitely not conservative"?

      Checked the Vaccination site and the first ad on the right is "Opt out of Obama Care"

    8. Re:Lies and propaganda by number6x · · Score: 1

      Didn't see any adds, thanks to noscript.

  4. New low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The split second gained since the first world war may not seem much, but the time it takes for a sunbeam to travel 600km towards Earth can cost an Olympic gold medal, as the American Tim McKee found out when he lost to Sweden's Gunnar Larsson in 1972.

    Is this a new record low for poor writing on slashdot? Gold medal for most tortured use of an tenuous comparison in a pointless comparison? Our judges are very excited...

    1. Re:New low? by Potor · · Score: 2

      That was clearly the last time a split-second mattered in the Olympics.

      But anyway, that poor writing is the fault of the Guardian, not /.

    2. Re:New low? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      If they had to go all the way back to 1972 to find an example then they just proved their own example is crap.

      PS: Try Formula1 next time.

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  5. And that explains global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just passed a century mark.

  6. The best McKee could have gotten was a tie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The split second gained since the first world war may not seem much, but the time it takes for a sunbeam to travel 600km towards Earth can cost an Olympic gold medal, as the American Tim McKee found out when he lost to Sweden's Gunnar Larsson in 1972."

    The reason he lost was that he was slower. Its was just so little that with todays measuring it would be a tie since you do not measure in thousand any more. Trying to make it like he lost to a technicality is just sad.

    1. Re:The best McKee could have gotten was a tie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as sad as your reading comprehension skills, nygger. Nobody even remotely claimed that.

  7. so it's all been a lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    my life? my pay? my vacation? all a lie?

    1. Re:so it's all been a lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blue Sky on Mars, Doug.

    2. Re:so it's all been a lie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so.
              -- Douglas Adams

  8. more freetime by jip_janneke1901 · · Score: 0

    atlast... I can enjoy my free days longer... oh sorry this aint 9gag....

  9. Tidal Forces by saibot834 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interestingly, this also has an effect on the moon. The reason why the earth's rotation is slowing are the tidal forces. Part of the energy lost from the Earth's momentum goes into the Moon's own orbit. As a result, the moon is actually getting further and further away from us, at a rate of 38 mm (1.5 in) per year. Somewhat counter-intuitively, the Moon actually gets slower that way, despite the energy put in is in the prograde direction, i.e. increases its velocity. The reason is the higher orbit. Sources:
    Tidal effects on the Moon
    Earth's rotation

    1. Re:Tidal Forces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "despite the energy put in is in the prograde direction, i.e. increases its velocity. "

      Energy doesn't have a direction; forces have direction.

      But apart from that you are correct. (I'm just being a pedant.)

  10. China's Monster Three Gorges Dam by invictusvoyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Raising 39 trillion kilograms of water 175 meters above sea level will increase the Earthâ(TM)s moment of inertia and thus slow its rotation. However, the effect would extremely small. NASA scientists calculated that shift of such as mass would increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and flat on the top. It would shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch). Note that a shift in any objectâ(TM)s mass on the Earth relative to its axis of rotation will change its moment of inertia, although most shifts are too small to be measured (but they can be calculated). http://www.businessinsider.com...

    1. Re:China's Monster Three Gorges Dam by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll wager it pales in comparison to the effect of the 3/11 Japan earthquake or the Boxing Day quake/tsunami of '04. Those quakes lifted or dropped massive areas of the crust and I actually seem to recall hearing reports that the atomic clocks would need to have some leap milliseconds directly linked to the quake.

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    2. Re:China's Monster Three Gorges Dam by RockDoctor · · Score: 0

      or the Boxing Day quake/tsunami of '04.

      The tsunami had no lasting effect. Apart from the closest approach to date to the Earth's first mega-fatality earthquake. The water moved back into the equilibrium position within a matter of hours.

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  11. As if life wasn't long enough! by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

    Howlin' Wolf asked How Many More Years?

    Now I'm gonna ask how many more milliseconds!

  12. Babylonian Cuneiform? by Calydor · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure I really understand the use of the Babylonian clay tablets for this - at best they'll tell you what day it happened, but we're talking about ~6000 years ago, so 60 centuries times 2 milliseconds, that's ... Did the Babylonians really calculate time in 1/100s of a second?

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    1. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by skullandbones99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Using computer modelling I suspect the location of the shadow of the eclipse is dependent on the spin rate of the Earth. Therefore, by knowing where people saw the eclipse and how much of the sun could be seen will be sufficient to calculate the rotational position of the Earth at the time of the eclipse. Then compare that position with the computer model. So knowing the exact time of the observations of the eclipse to the order of milliseconds is unnecessary.

    2. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 2ms applies to ONE EARTH DAY but accumulates over time.

      For convenience, let's consider whole centuries.
      Since a century contains 365 days, each century is 2*365 ~= 700ms = 0.7s longer than the previous one.

      Let's define D(n) the difference in duration between n centuries
      D(0) = 0
      D(2) = D(1) + 0.7s = 0.7 + 0.7 = 2*0.7
      D(3) = D(2) + 0.7s = 2*0.7 + 0.7 = 3*0.7 ...
      D(n) = n*0.7

      That tells us that a century 6000 years ago was D(60) = 42s shorter than now.

      That is not a lot but the value we are interested in is T(n), the accumulation of those differences over time.

      T(n) = D(1) + D(2) + ... D(n)

      T(60) = 0.7 + 2*0.7 + ... + 60*0.7 = 0.7 * (1+2+...+60) = 0.7*1830 = 1281s ~= 21 minutes

      This is probably more than enough to cause noticeable changes in astronomical events.

    3. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm... A century contains 36500 days... not 365. That's a year. And every 4th year has 366 days.
      So that's 25*366 +75*365 = 36575 days in a century.

      You may want to correct the rest of your maths to account for there being more than 100 times more days in that period than you counted.

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    4. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 36525. Your calculations are garbage. Maybe you'd like to correct the rest of your maths. Actually, it's kind of a shame that with your logic you couldn't peg the right answer without all the other nonsense. Epic failboat, set sail!

      Oh, and the people who modded you up should lose their points until they can pass 4th grade math.

    5. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the other AC said, the math does not add up. However, even the other AC's answer is wrong, as that equation is only correct if it is a leap century year. It is only every 400 years that a leap year is on a year divisible by 100. So that other AC's "epic failboat, set sail" declaration is even more epic fail, as that other AC cannot even correct people correctly.

    6. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're both morons. Nitpicking the number of legs on a spider for the forest. Silentcoder is close enough in magnitude to be right enough. Good enough accuracy for a slashdot post. I assume the actual scientists are worried about specific leapdays/years/moons, whatever.

    7. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nitpicking the number of legs on a spider for the forest.

      That is the whole point. When some fuck-twit wants to be uppity and pedantic about something, especially when that nitpicking is used by said fuck-twit to deflect attention from their originally incorrect assertions, the best way to get the point across that they are just as stupid as they were to begin with is to return the uppity-pedantic shit-flinging in kind.

    8. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "uppity and pedantic" to politely remind someone a century has a hundred years instead of just a single year? How many orders of magnitude off does someone have to be before correcting them is not pedantic?

    9. Re:Babylonian Cuneiform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it was a critique of the calculation but nice try at diversion there. I guess basic concepts fail you too.

  13. Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'd really like to see the end of using the AD and BC. We have BCE and CE that do not require invoking a mythological being.

    1. Re:Science coverage with AD by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      And what is the dividing point between BCE and CE?

      Not to mention it's strange to call it the "Common Era", when most of the world didn't know about the rest of the world at the start of the era.

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    2. Re:Science coverage with AD by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I'd really like to see the end of using the AD and BC. We have BCE and CE that do not require invoking a mythological being.

      It's called knowing your audience.

      Yes, science referred to ancient Greek texts, but using BCE and CE would be akin to them speaking Greek to the masses to deliver this message.

    3. Re:Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd really like to see the end of using the AD and BC. We have BCE and CE that do not require invoking a mythological being.

      Aw look, a precious millennial regurgitating something he/she read on the Internet.

    4. Re:Science coverage with AD by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      We could just use a negative sign. But you'd have to be careful with calculations because some stupid sod forgot year 0.

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    5. Re:Science coverage with AD by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mythology or not, our calendar has a start date based on an event in Christian history. Trying to hide that fact by using a different abbreviation reeks of revisionism.

    6. Re:Science coverage with AD by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Mythology or not, our calendar has a start date based on an event in Christian history. Trying to hide that fact by using a different abbreviation reeks of revisionism.

      No, it's an event in Christian mythology. Nothing has happened to elevate it to the level of history.

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    7. Re:Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As see it, a more secular approach would define Common Era as the time passed since the beginning of Civilization. That would put us around year 8,000 now.

    8. Re:Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're advocating using the Christian calendar but metaphorically filing the serial number off? That is lazy and cowardly. Create your own damned calendar. Too hard? People won't use it? Then use the one you've borrowed and don't pretend that you made it something else just by whining about the abbreviations.

    9. Re:Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is more Christian history then mythology. There is all kids of prof. But whatever someone on the internet said it mythology and most will not brother to really look at history and see truth. Just blindly follow follow the rest of the world.

    10. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      ... revisionism at its best. was christ born in that vicinity of years? yes, the man later to be known as christ was born in a 30 year window of that time. was he a jew yes. was he the son of god? debatable. saying christ's existence in relation to the year 0 is mythological, is not historically accurate.

      there was a dude, later people worshipped him as the son of god. we use his putative birthday as the 0 point of our calendar.
      that's all acceptable to me, as one so made that I cannot believe, yet living in a christian dominated society, living in an era that has been fundamentally shaped and defined by christian nations and their various wars.

      I will not deny that christ existed, as I will not deny that muhammad existed, or that moses, ramses ii or joseph smith existed.

      religions surrounding messianic figures do not spring ex nihilo.

    11. Re:Science coverage with AD by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ... revisionism at its best. was christ born in that vicinity of years? yes, the man later to be known as christ was born in a 30 year window of that time.

      [citation needed]

      There is not one single historical point of evidence for the man's existence. Every supposed eyewitness account is from the same collection of related works allegedly created by three authors. I love the idea of Jesus Christ as much as the next guy, but there is literally no historical evidence for his existence. The closest thing you get is one historian repeating hearsay.

      This doesn't mean there was no Christ. The absence of evidence is not the same as incontrovertible evidence of absence. But please, let's at least try and stick with facts here. I know, I know. I must be new here.

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    12. Re:Science coverage with AD by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Would that be Sillius Soddus, Nortius Maximus, or Biggus Dickus?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw

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    13. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      i'm not an expert, neither are you, but

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://www.abc.net.au/religion...

      for those that are, apparently, the probability is that it is more likely that there was a historical jesus than not.

      perused a bit, seems like you could liken the "christ myth theory" as a splinter theory that the majority of scholars of the subject dismiss. and that the two points widely accepted as being historic in jesus' life are the crucifixion, and baptism by john the baptist. everything else is argued over. the first because some roman scholar mentioned that the "christus" was executed by pontius pilate, and spoke dismissively about christianity. - later scholarship would probably remove that part, etc etc it was confirmed by some jewish scholar too. and the john the baptist baptism wouldn't stay in if they made it up for some purpose later on. because it implies that jesus had sins to wash away, and it positioned john the baptist as someone capable of washing away the sins of christ.

      "If we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned."

      apparently, study of ancient history falls apart if we require the kind of proof that you're looking for for a historical jesus.

    14. Re:Science coverage with AD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok chill dude, Jesus Christ.

      Can we at least use English suffixes, e.g. 300OL (Our Lord) instead of 300AD (Anno Dominos Pizza)?

    15. Re:Science coverage with AD by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      And what is the dividing point between BCE and CE?

      Not to mention it's strange to call it the "Common Era", when most of the world didn't know about the rest of the world at the start of the era.

      "Common Era"? Hrrm. I always through CE stood for "Christian Empire".

    16. Re:Science coverage with AD by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      apparently, study of ancient history falls apart if we require the kind of proof that you're looking for for a historical jesus.

      That's fine. We should require that kind of proof. Otherwise, it should be acknowledged to be the study of mythology, and the places in which it intersects with observable reality.

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    17. Re:Science coverage with AD by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      That would also mean having to change the names of several days of the week, as they are taken from (I believe), a mix of Roman mythology and Norse mythology.

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    18. Re:Science coverage with AD by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I think I will use that one instead. It should make a few heads explode.

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    19. Re:Science coverage with AD by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      It's more Roman mythology through Norse mythology.

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    20. Re:Science coverage with AD by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I think it was Dubious Abacus.

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    21. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      yes, let's just take the tactic of the young earth creationists and the intelligent design proponents for our own.

      you throw out the tenets of an entire field of scientific study, because they're not in keeping with your world view, you are doing the same thing as those you look down on.

      how much first hand evidence would you expect for a jewish carpenter living on the fringes of the roman empire? one cult among many cults, that only rose to prominence because it got lucky?

      it's a damn miracle that it got the two mentions it did.

    22. Re:Science coverage with AD by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Dionysius Exiguus invented the "Anno Domini" system in about 525 CE. He seemed to understand the problem - but the use of a "zero" or placeholder for a null quantity was not in the least bit common for another 6 or 7 centuries, so things got broken.

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    23. Re:Science coverage with AD by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      there was a dude, later people worshipped him as the son of god. we use his putative birthday as the 0 point of our calendar.

      Your calendar changes year on 25th December? Which country do you live in?

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    24. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      damn right, in god's country, in the good ole United States of 'murica.

      a 30 year period where people think his birthday was. which isn't tied to the 25th at all. and 0 point of the years. as you should have interpreted i meant.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      you may use whatever year numbering system you want, and many cultures do maintain their own internal year counting system. but you MUST know the western one. Good or bad, the role and impact that christendom has had on global affairs, requires that one use their calendar to function.

      good day sir.

    25. Re:Science coverage with AD by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      How come, if 'Murika is a Christian country as they claim, they're worshipping that (probably non-existent) Jew, Jesus son of Joseph?

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    26. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      cuz real 'muricans don't need no stinkin' facts.

      also, nothing wrong with jews that europe wasn't entirely responsible for.

      more jews in 'murica than in israel.

      "German Interviewer: Mr. Williams, why do you think there's not so much comedy in Germany?
      Williams: Did you ever think you killed all the funny people?"

      I'm american, the christian culture and roots have colored me to my outlook, to my language, it's inextricably permeated the fabric of my character. it has in part contributed and built a society that is better than all that have come before it, i'm happy with that too. i would not live in any other country on earth, i value too much the gaurantees on my freedoms that my birthright gives me. any other country on earth. christian values have helped build these things, these freedoms, there have been missteps along the way, but always we move toward progress. Again, i am made so that I cannot believe, but i also cannot ignore what those that do believe have brought to the table.

    27. Re:Science coverage with AD by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      it has in part contributed and built a society that is better than all that have come before it,

      How do your Native American, First Nations, and/ or Hawaiian friends react when you describe their cultures in these terms to their faces?

      i value too much the gaurantees on my freedoms that my birthright gives me. any other country on earth. christian values have helped build these things,

      Actually, your own Supreme court has repeatedly traced much of this back to Britain, via the "Glorious Revolution" of the 1670s and tracing back to the Civil War (1640s, not 1860s) and ultimately Magna Carta. Al more to do with the continual conflicts between a Franco-Normal aristocracy and an enslaved Anglo-Saxon lower class. Hmmm, sounds somewhat familiar.

      but i also cannot ignore what those that do believe have brought to the table.

      Yeah, we see the spittle-lipped exports over here from time to time ; trying to invade our schools to brainwash other people's children; trying to limit our rights to choose how to carry out health care. Even trying to control what films we can see in the cinema. They don't like to be treated with contempt, but they're getting more likely to be treated with edged weapons.

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    28. Re:Science coverage with AD by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      "How do your Native American, First Nations, and/ or Hawaiian friends react when you describe their cultures in these terms to their faces?"

      oh what noble savagery. don't romanticize or idealize those nations and those times. hawaii was unified by war under kamehameha, war war war, that is the natural state of humanity it seems. north america was no different.

      I include western europe when I speak of christendom.

      the freedom I value most is actually that of speech. and britain's got some hatespeech laws on the books that I object to.
      i'd rather they legislate actions, not words, and not thoughts.
      but there are some countries in the western world that come close.

      "Yeah, we see the spittle-lipped exports over here from time to time ; trying to invade our schools to brainwash other people's children; trying to limit our rights to choose how to carry out health care. Even trying to control what films we can see in the cinema. They don't like to be treated with contempt, but they're getting more likely to be treated with edged weapons."

      yeah, but they're adorable in their flailing.

    29. Re:Science coverage with AD by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      i'd rather they legislate actions, not words, and not thoughts.

      Until someone actually develops an evidence-quality "mind-reading machine" (polygraphs are laughed at by the courts here - I can't remember when I last heard of someone submitting polygraph evidence in a UK court ; the reports a year or two ago of some Indian (IIRC) company trying to develop an MRI-based way of detecting someone's state of mind doesn't seem to have appeared in court yet), actions are the only things that can be prosecuted. Which includes actions such as throwing a Molotov cocktail, or some foul words (but they do have to be pretty foul, or repeated). Thoughts can only be prosecuted (or challenged or communicated) if expressed in speech or writing. Unless you know of something else. OK - sculpture, arguably.

      Music is an interesting case. Personally I hate the stuff, but it is also the subject of routine prosecutions under laws banning the singing of sectarian songs at football grounds. A back-handed tribute to the hatefullness of our local variants of Christianity.

      yeah, but they're adorable in their flailing.

      Hmmm, there are certain skin diseases or parasites which have a reputation for making people tear their skin off with their fingernails in an agony of itching. You're giving me ideas. Nice ideas.

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  14. Global time change is a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Global time change is a lie created by the Chinese to fool westerners. They'll pretend they have two more milliseconds in the day, and do high-frequency trading during that time. After a long enough time, the Chinese calendar will no longer agree with the western one! It will mean chaos!

    1. Re: Global time change is a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only obvious solution would to build a yuge magnificent glorious wall around all the Chinese people.

    2. Re: Global time change is a lie by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      And make the Mongols/Uighurs pay for it!

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  15. So they should be by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Earth's Day Lengthens By Two Milliseconds a Century, Astronomers Find

    How could they let this happen? Damn right they should be fined!

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    1. Re:So they should be by sconeu · · Score: 1

      <sarcasm> Thanks, Obama!!! </sarcasm%gt;

      Per the Americans with Disabilities Act, sarcasm tags have been added to assist the sarcasm-impaired

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  16. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Everybody run towards the east, as fast as you can!

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  17. East launches and free energy devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" space launches to the east use less fuel at the cost of slowing our spin.
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-satellites-launched-from-east-coast
    Also one class of "free" energy device creates energy at the cost of causing drag to our planets dynamo, slowly slowing us.
    Note not all free energy devices cause problems so don't automatically bash free energy, just understand how something works before creating it; for example a simple copper cone can create slight movement from quantum noise because particles that hit the inside bounce off it twice.

  18. 2 milli-seconds per century? by tal_mud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I must be missing something. The oldest records they observed were from 3000 years ago, i.e. 30 centuries, or 60 milli-seconds. How in heavens sake do they decide that the recorded eclipse was off by that little? Their article mentions "thousands of observations". Even assuming 10,000 observations, the time accuracy for statistically meaningful results would seem to be sqrt(10,000)*60ms or 6sec. No way the ancient observations were so accurate.

    1. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must be missing something.

      The researchers need to obtain grant money, and must promote their work with a hysterical media circus to get it.

    2. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I must be missing something. The oldest records they observed were from 3000 years ago, i.e. 30 centuries, or 60 milli-seconds..

      No, it's 2ms / day / century, so 30 * 2 ms * 365.25 * 3000 / 2, or about 9 hours. I think ancient observations were that accurate.

    3. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It may mean that the rate of lengthening (in mm/century) is increasing by 2mm a day.

    4. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are reporting a second derivative (time acceleration) in crazy units. Do the integral.

    5. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is correct. GP is not accounting for the cumulative difference. Additionally, the measurements are less concerned with time and more concerned with location, i.e. who saw the eclipse vs. when. by modelling the moon's orbit they can figure out the time precisely, the research is trying to determine what part of the earth was underneath it, thus the rotational speed of the earth.

    6. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the underlying phenomenon is an angular acceleration (rad/s).

      But it is being reported as the second derivative with respect to time of the rotation period (day duration), hence it being 2ms/day/second which is equivalent to units of frequency, something like 7E-18 Hz.

      The strange unit of Hz results because the rotation period is the reciprocal of the rotation speed (with appropriate scale factor for 2pi for radians to turns or ~86400* for seconds per day).

      (And yes, this value is the very thing that is changing!)

    7. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction to my post: I put rad/s^2 with a superscript two character but it didn't survive conversion to plain ASCII.

    8. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also meant 2ms/day/century.

    9. Re:2 milli-seconds per century? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I understand 2 ms per day, but what does the century mean?

      A century means (approximately) 36,525 days.

      Actually, once you get to that sort of duration, it's damned difficult to define durations in astronomical terms because both the rotation axis of the Earth, and the plane of orbit of the Earth around the Sun change noticeably over such time periods. And since you're also getting to the level where you need to take into account the gravitational influences of Venus, Mars and Jupiter on the Earth's motions.

      Probably, you'd need to define the century in terms of the Earth crossing the line joining the Sun to the centre of the galaxy. That should be good for a decent fraction of a million years, which should see our species out.

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  19. Re:New York Times is Fake News by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    So ... that means by the law of opposites, the right lies by invention?

    Well, it would explains religion and pizzagate, I give you that...

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  20. So that's a leap second per year in 137 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely that means that current timekeeping practice is doomed in the fairly short term because we don't currently have a mechanism for adding more than two leap seconds in a year...

  21. Faux News is Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Righties lie by making false assertions and then saying "Prove it didn't happen". That's why they are such liars and fools.

  22. Slowing is not "news", the rate of slowing is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I really wish the kerfuffle around "fake news" would shine a light on the fact that a lot of science "reporting" on the intertubes is mischaracterized or just plain wrong. This article is a perfect example. Every article I've seen on sites that are not hard science reports it as if the fact that the earth is slowing is a new discovery. It's not, we've known for decades (at least) that this was the case. The linked Guardian article doesn't even mention that until ten sentences into a fourteen sentence piece and about half the articles I've seen don't mention it at all. It's a result of tidal forces and can be worked out with newtonian dynamics. The news is that they updated the rate at which it's slowing.

    I know a lot of people will rate this as a pedantic rant but the drive for "click bait" headlines is just as prevalent in mainstream reporting as it is in "fake news", "alt news", etc. and it has the same effect. People who are just skimming headlines (or even the first few paragraphs in most cases) are going to walk away with a information that is just wrong. For all the hype about the internet making information available to the masses a lot of times it seems it's actually dumbing down the world in general (but hey, we all know that Kim Kardashian can balance a champagne glass on her butt, so there's that).

    1. Re:Slowing is not "news", the rate of slowing is. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      This article is a perfect example. Every article I've seen on sites that are not hard science reports it as if the fact that the earth is slowing is a new discovery. It's not, we've known for decades (at least) that this was the case.

      Centuries. The first mention of this that I've seen was by Great Britain's Astronomer Royal in about 1735. George Darwin (son of Charles) did detailed mathematical analysis of the problem in them late 1870 to 1880s.

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  23. Re:Good by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    There are no good US presidents. The presidency is a sham office. But if you want Biblical proof, Jesus said there is none good but God.

  24. Holy irrelevant random facts, Batman by blibbo · · Score: 1

    Tim McKee got silver in the 1972 Olympics (didn't qualify for a tie-breaker) because he was slower than his competitor... by less than a hundredth of a second.

    But this really couldn't have much less to do with the story. It's a random fact, not on topic. TFA: WTF?

    1. Re:Holy irrelevant random facts, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You call it a random fact, they call it "an amazing result that ties together a wide range of investigations at opposite ends of the scale of technological sophistication".

    2. Re:Holy irrelevant random facts, Batman by blibbo · · Score: 1

      It's reassuring that sub millimetre times are not literally zero-value times and there's a specific example to remind us of that.

      In other news, Trump is now president elect for the USA, the country that first put a man on the moon.

    3. Re:Holy irrelevant random facts, Batman by blibbo · · Score: 1

      It's reassuring that sub millimetre times are not literally zero-value times and there's a specific example to remind us of that. In other news, Trump is now president elect for the USA, the country that first put a man on the moon.

      Yikes, millisecond. Typo

  25. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you use biblical and proof in the same sentance?
    Now THAT is funny.

  26. I'm missing something. Leap seconds .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The article says 2 milliseconds per century, but we've already added 27 leap seconds since 1972 ..

    So, what am I missing..?

  27. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ITYM west. Running the opposite way to how he turns will speed it up right?

  28. Translation for scientists and enginers by burhop · · Score: 1

    "The split second gained since the first world war may not seem much, but the time it takes for a sunbeam to travel 600km towards Earth can cost an Olympic gold medal, "

    What he/she said was, "Being second by a small amount of time will cause you to not be first"

    I'm pretty sure being second by any amount of time, large or small, will cause you to not be first too.

  29. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'm confused now. Top half run to the left, bottom half go right!

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  31. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody run towards the east, as fast as you can!

    We need to run east then suddenly all stop at the same time.

  32. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by gnick · · Score: 1

    Top?

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  33. does anybody really know what time it is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lettuce return to 1969

  34. Too many leap seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 ms / yr = 5000 years for 1 second. How many leap seconds have been added?

  35. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by tomhath · · Score: 2

    Didn't Superman spin the Earth backwards by flying around it opposite to the rotation? That seems like it would work to speed it up if he flew the other way. Just need to contact Clark.

  36. I want more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overtime pay. But you can add it up and pay out just once a century.

  37. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Relatively speaking, there were some very good presidents. Relative to God's original creation, you're absolutely right.

  38. It's slowing down, and not spinning faster by Gunstick · · Score: 1

    I don't understand this:
    "And just as a spinning ice skater speeds up when she pulls in her arms, so the Earth spins faster when its poles are less compressed"

    Less compressed is spreading out, so the spin would be slower, not faster.

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    1. Re:It's slowing down, and not spinning faster by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      "poles less compressed" means the poles are farther apart, effectively elongating the planet along its spinning axis. This will "shrink" the equator; statement is correct.

    2. Re:It's slowing down, and not spinning faster by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      poles, the arctic and antarctic ice receded, and the earth got less pumpkin shaped and more billiard shaped. the ice at the poles was compressing the earth's volume to the equator, once the ice melted, the poles sprung back and the equator circumference got slightly smaller.

    3. Re:It's slowing down, and not spinning faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poles are the skater's head and feet. The skater's arms are the equator.

    4. Re:It's slowing down, and not spinning faster by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Actually, the largest component of the change is from the Greenland icecap. Since it is not even vaguely symmetrical around the north pole (the north pole is not within the area of the Greenland icecap) , AND it is considerably above sea level (average surface elevation 2100m), then the melting of ice from the icecap and moving it down to the sea adds up to most of the effect. (Antarctica is higher than Greenland, but much more symmetrically placed.)

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  39. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    Where the ice is!

  40. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would you contact Clark? He's just a reporter.

  41. 2 million centuries? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    2 million centuries? Dang, that's like 2,000 kiloyears.

    1. Re:2 million centuries? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Damn it. I always screw up the punchline. Curse you slashdot and your lack of an edit button.

  42. global warming or climate change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Global warming or climate change or what every they are calling it this month. Has nothing on earth slowing down. We are all going to fly off into space soon.

  43. Gonna need a lot of leap seconds one day by multi+io · · Score: 1
    1/7 / 0.002 = 71.4

    So 7,100 years from now we're gonna need one leap second per week, or 50 leap seconds at once at the end of each year, whichever is easier to organise. That's gonna be tough.

  44. Re:I'm missing something. Leap seconds .. by burhop · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article says 2 milliseconds per century, but we've already added 27 leap seconds since 1972 ..

    So, what am I missing..?

    Leap seconds (and leap years) are due to the number of rotations of the earth in a year not being exactly 365. If you think about it, why would they be. There is no reason the earth should rotate exactly 365 time in one trip around the sun. So, to keep December from gradually creeping into the summer, we have to fiddle a bit with the calendar.

    In this case, we are just talking about the rotation speed of the earth. In a closed system, the rotation speed can be changed by moving the mass around the Earth, such as from the equator to the poles or from the the earth surface to under the surface. Changing the shape of the Earth is essentially the same as moving the mass around so would also affect speed (going from sphere to pair shape to ellipsoid).

    Since we don't live in a closed system (e.g. the moon is out there), one can also change the earths rotation speed by adding (or in our case with the moon) taking away momentum. So this also affects the rotation speed.

  45. Sorry, microseconds by istartedi · · Score: 2
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  46. Re:I'm missing something. Leap seconds .. by suutar · · Score: 2

    I believe the article is missing a clear indication that "2ms/century" is the rate at which the length of a _day_ is increasing. So it really means "the lengthening of a day is accelerating by 2ms/day/century". And like in distance, the acceleration doesn't tell you how much something changed by itself, you have to know what the starting rate of change was.

  47. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

    was!

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  48. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Diss+Champ · · Score: 1

    Presumably such an event was newsworthy.

  49. Re: Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, just get a big bulldozer and shove a few mountains away from the equator.
    Fixed!

  50. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    Didn't Superman spin the Earth backwards by flying around it opposite to the rotation? That seems like it would work to speed it up if he flew the other way. Just need to contact Clark.

    I always thought that too, but apparently from reading articles about the movie more recently, they were trying to show him flying so fast that he went back in time (supposedly just going around the Earth so he didn't get lost).

  51. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    Didn't Superman spin the Earth backwards by flying around it opposite to the rotation? That seems like it would work to speed it up if he flew the other way. Just need to contact Clark.

    I always thought that too, but apparently from reading articles about the movie more recently, they were trying to show him flying so fast that he went back in time (supposedly just going around the Earth so he didn't get lost).

    So how did they explain away the Earth actually stopping, then reversing its rotation, which would have been more disastrous than the nuke detonating on the San Andreas Fault?

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  52. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    Didn't Superman spin the Earth backwards by flying around it opposite to the rotation? That seems like it would work to speed it up if he flew the other way. Just need to contact Clark.

    I always thought that too, but apparently from reading articles about the movie more recently, they were trying to show him flying so fast that he went back in time (supposedly just going around the Earth so he didn't get lost).

    That's how Superman travelling backwards in time would see the Earth. As time stopped for him, so would the spinning of the Earth. As he moved backwards in time, the Earth would appear to move in reverse and all the actions would be shown like a movie being played backwards as they appeared in the film.

    So how did they explain away the Earth actually stopping, then reversing its rotation, which would have been more disastrous than the nuke detonating on the San Andreas Fault?

  53. Re:Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must b by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The bit where Australia isn't.

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  54. Re: Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must by avivasatenstein · · Score: 1

    Is it possible that the slowing down side or direct effect is effecting climate? That slowing down would manifest itself as resulting in hotter summers and colder winters.

  55. Re: Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Is it possible that the slowing down side or direct effect is effecting climate?

    No. Climate would happen anyway.

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  56. At least you weren't out by 2 orders of magnitude by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    Erm... A century contains 36500 days... not 365. That's a year. And every 4th year has 366 days. So that's 25*366 +75*365 = 36575 days in a century.

    You may want to correct the rest of your maths to account for there being more than 100 times more days in that period than you counted.

    You might want to double check your math too. Just saying. (36525)

  57. Re: Clearly Global Slowing is a problem that must by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    The rotation axis of the Earth is already definitely responding to the movement of ice from the surface of Greenland into the seas. It was published a couple of years ago. The movement is on the order of tens of metres - easily detectable.

    There are sporadic shifts in the position of the rotation axis too - each major earthquake moves the axis, and this has been detected repeatedly since the 1960s whenever there is a large (M8+) earthquake.

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  58. Re:I'm missing something. Leap seconds .. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    The article says 2 milliseconds per century, [...]So, what am I missing..?

    2 milliseconds per day per century,

    A change of 2ms per day would add up to a difference of 1s in about 500 days.

    I make the Julian Day for 1972-01-01 (ISO8601) to be 2441318 and for 2017-01-01 to be 2457755 (because I've done the legwork previously for calculating Julian Days) for a difference of 16437 days. At about 1 second per 500 days, then there should have been about 32 or 33 leap seconds since 1972-01-01.

    we've already added 27 leap seconds since 1972

    given that tidal couping between Earth and Moon is somewhat variable (it depends on what you could well describe as the friction between the oceans and their coastlines, which is at least weather dependent. Shape of the Erth (therefore earthquakes) have a noticeable effect too.

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