Slashdot Mirror


Samsung Plans All-Screen Design in New Galaxy S8 Phones (bloomberg.com)

Samsung may have big plans to overcome the whammy of its disastrous Galaxy Note7 this year. The company is reportedly planning to push the boundaries of design with the next flagship smartphone, dubbed the Galaxy S8. The smartphone, which was recently pegged to ship without a headphone jack, will have an "all-screen" design, Bloomberg is reporting. The report adds that there might not be a home button -- at least the way we know it -- and that any part of the lower display will serve as a fingerprint scanner. From the report: The bezel-less displays will provide more viewing real estate while a virtual home button will be buried in the glass in the lower section. Samsung needs the Galaxy S8 to be a hit after suffering through the Note 7 debacle that tarnished its brand, led to an embarrassing recall and may cost the company more than $6 billion. While Samsung is targeting a March release of the S8, that could be delayed until April, the people said. Samsung is adopting tougher testing procedures in the wake of the Note 7 debacle that could push back the launch by about a month, one of the people said.

20 of 106 comments (clear)

  1. Yey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will allow for more glass to be used as shrapnel when it explodes!

    1. Re:Yey by burtosis · · Score: 3, Funny

      This will allow for more glass to be used as shrapnel when it explodes!

      Yes, it is quite cutting edge indeed!

  2. Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by dlb101010 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .reportedly planning to push the boundaries of design

    Now might be the time for them to pull back, go for a less cutting-edge stable design, and save pushing boundaries for another day.

    1. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      You lack courage.

    2. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, what caused the Note7 disaster was a lack of testing and a bad design of the battery compartment: there wasn't enough space for the battery to expand, so when it did, boom! This could happen with any cellphone, not just a cutting-edge one. Honestly, I'm surprised they made such a seemingly-elementary mistake; these companies have been making small devices with lithium-ion batteries for many years now, so you'd think this would be pretty basic.

      Anyway, they're already saying (in TFS) that they're going to do a more thorough job of testing now to avoid stupid mistakes like that. More thorough testing should also catch other problems that can happen with boundary-pushing designs.

      No, what they really need to do is go back to providing basic features that Apple and others have been removing lately: removable batteries and SDcard slots, and now headphone jacks. I'm listening to music at work now on my cellphone using, you guessed it, my 3.5mm headphone jack. WhyTF would I buy a "cutting edge" cellphone that won't let me use my noise-cancelling headphones at work? Utter stupidity. And no, I'm not going to use some fucking dongle, nor am I going to trash my nice noise-cancelling headphones and buy some shitty Bluetooth headphones.

    3. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by dlb101010 · · Score: 2

      The courage to make a profit? Samsung knew that batteries can expand during use, and they knew they weren't allowing much leeway for the expansion, but they courageously went with a hip slimmer design anyway. (And they surely were aware of what can happen when internal positive and negative parts of a battery rupture into contact.)

    4. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by codeButcher · · Score: 2

      A rapidly expanding battery is going to push some boundaries all right. Perhaps also convert that screen glass into some nice cutting edges.

      --
      Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
    5. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is the adapter included with the phone, or is it sold separately? And does the adapter allow recharging the phone's battery while headphones are in use?

  3. HAHAHAHA by fubarrr · · Score: 2

    >All-Screen Design

    I bet the replacement glass will be sold at 10000% markup.

    1. Re: HAHAHAHA by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      No, even worse... the glass will be glued to the OLED, so replacing one will require replacing both, and a cracked-glass repair will cost $300 instead of $30.

      Not to mention... fitting any kind of shock-absorbing drop-protection case onto a phone with no bezel at all will be almost impossible.

      Jesus. Are these phones designed for use in padded cells or something? Or are they crazy enough to think they can get people to repeatedly pay $1,500 over the (short) life of the phone (say, $900 up front, then two $300 glass+display repairs.

  4. Re:iPhone 8 by fubarrr · · Score: 2

    >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

    So its screen will break two times as often

  5. Re:No headphone jack? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I was about to say that, finally, finally, finally. How long have we been waiting for to finally get rid of that!

    Definitely the must-have (or rather, must-not-have) feature everyone was looking forward to.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  6. No bezel? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Accidental touches galore! When are they going just embed the phone into your hand? Or better yet, direct brain stimulation?

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:No bezel? by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Accidental touches galore!

      Still beats the S7 and the Accidental Torches Galore feature.

      --
      -=This sig has nothing to do with my comment. Move along now=-
    2. Re:No bezel? by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      Accidental touches galore! When are they going just embed the phone into your hand? Or better yet, direct brain stimulation?

      Exactly! WTH are we who don't have 2mm thick fingers supposed to do to be able to even hold on to this thing without accidentally emailing all our porn links to grandma, use fecking telekinesis? I have enough problems with the current model (S7)! (sorry grandma...)

      I think it's time for the THICK revolution to start. Tell the manufacturers that we don't want these damned wafer-thin phones, much less anything thinner. Just one manufacturer should provide a 'thick' version of their flagship phone, and advertise it as such! I would buy it (so long as it's waterproof, and has a goddamned headphone jack), and being thicker, it should be able to compete very well battery-wise without going up in flames...

      --
      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
  7. Re:but the all important question on everyones min by Calydor · · Score: 2

    Umm, isn't the very center of our galaxy a giant black hole with no burning whatsoever?

    --
    -=This sig has nothing to do with my comment. Move along now=-
  8. Re:iPhone 8 by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

    >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

    So its screen will break two times as often

    No, because you won't be able to pick it up...
    Touch Disease Everywhere!
    Now to train Siri to say
    "Don't Touch Me!"
    "Stop Touching Me"
    "MOM!!!"

    --
    You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
  9. 3rd party labs by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    I think that the phone was tested, and likely the issue was known.
    The problem is that, in an order to save costs and decrease the chance or product leaks, Samsung has moved away from using 3rd party labs and started setting up their own internal labs.
    An internal battery lab was used to test the note. The testing for batteries is standardized. And while the ISO 17025 accreditation requires a sort of separation of the lab and the production side, it is clear that the lab would be under intense pressure to both speed up the certification and down play any issues which may block the ship date.
    3rd party labs will of course feel the pressure from customers like Samsung, most European and American labs would never close their eyes and issue a passing test report. In Asia though, it is a different story. One reason why the FCC no longer allows test reports from Asian lab. Often times the reports are available as soon as the PO is sent ;)
    For you guys in the USA, nearly every one with a cell phone is using one which is PTCRB certified. PTCRB mandates the use of 3rd party accredited labs. PTCRB however is concerned with the health of the network, not whether or not the battery will explode. Though, they do test conducted RF (100's of hours) from -10c to +55c, but the battery is actually removed in those tests.
    Perhaps they should think about requiring 3rd party battery testing also. As Li batteries get larger and larger, the potential for this type if thing increases.

  10. Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo jack by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry Samsung, as a current user... I won't be getting anything above the S5.

    It's probably going to be the LG G5.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  11. Re:Note will have a pen holder by DrYak · · Score: 2

    The headphone jack isn't just a hole though, it has electronics that take up space in the internals which manufacturers want to use now for other things.

    Common !
    - Other manufacturer are managing to still cram an audio jack into their competing smartphones
    - Smartphone are getting *wider* with *larger screen* each generation. In theory they should have *more room* for electronics.
    - The "other things" might not be as useful as marketing would like you to think (Apple's taptic engine was the excuse for removing their jack).
    - The only reason that manufacturer are lacking space is because they have launched themself in a competition for the thinest device possible. By trying to shave a few mm of thickness, they are losing critical space. This has already cost Apple their bendgate (less thickness = less mechanical resistance) and caused Samsung a few exploding batteries (not enough space for battery expansion).

    In other words: I manufacturer weren't competing for the first company to release a phone thin enough so you can cut cheese with it, they would have plenty of space to keep a phone jack, add their useless new features AND have bigger batteries with better life.

    I get why people want to hold onto this legacy port, it's a well established piece of tech that has been tired and true and remained unchanged for decades but to say that there's a pen hole so a headphone hole is the same thing isn't really accurate

    The total volume of a pen, is still bigger than the volume of small compact jack connector and the tiny DAC feeding it.

    No the real excuse is getting a way to sell either extra dongles (audio-out to USB-Otg or Apple Lightning)
    or expensive accessories (force you to buy Bluetooth Wireless earphones. Or wired phones with custom plugs).

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]