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Alphabet Donated Its Employees' Holiday Gifts To Charity (fortune.com)

The employee perks at Google are legendary, and they've always included an over-the-top holiday gift for every employee. In the past, the company has surprised its 70,000 employees with Nexus phones, Android smartwatches, and Chromebooks. Fortune adds:This year employees speculated they might get Google's new Pixel phones or a Google Home unit, the company's competitor to Amazon's Echo. But they forgot: They don't work for Google anymore. They work for Alphabet. Instead of a shiny new gadget, Alphabet employees got an email. On Thursday Bloomberg published a bruising story about the new, cost-conscious regime of Alphabet, driven by its corporate re-organization and its ex-Wall Street CFO, Ruth Porat. Shortly after the story hit, employees were informed that their holiday gift this year was a donation to charity, Fortune has learned. Alphabet donated $30 million worth of Chromebooks, phones, and associated tech support to schools on its employees' behalf.

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  1. So do the employees get to write that off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I can't write a donation off on my taxes, then I didn't donate it. Fuck you Google.

    1. Re: So do the employees get to write that off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it wasn't the employees present, because they can't write it off.

      This is essentially the same as "There will be no Christmas bonus for low level employees, because the CEO was allowed to keep his 12 MILLION bonus. Also, in unrelated news, we gave some schools Google products, as we always do."

    2. Re:So do the employees get to write that off? by skegg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my understanding, the below are 4 general scenarios listed in decreasing order of benefit to the employee:

      Scenario 1: You're given a Pixel phone, no tax burden on employee.
      In some scenarios, the employer may pay any tax on the value of the gift.
      You benefit the full value of the gift ... $700 US.

      Scenario 2: You're given a Pixel phone, employee pays tax on the value of the gift.
      You benefit $400 US (let's assume you paid $300 tax on the value of the gift).

      Scenario 3: Pixel phone donated to registered charity, donation is in the name of the employee
      Employee gets to deduct the tax component from their salary. In reality it may not be this "clean" as tax may vary across employees
      You benefit $300.

      Scenario 4: Pixel phone donated to registered charity, donation made in the name of the employer
      Employer claims the tax deduction.
      You benefit $0.

      Google / Alphabet appears to have chosen Scenario 4.
      Caveats:
          I am not a tax lawyer!
          My understanding of tax law is based on the Australian environment. Other tax jurisdictions may throw these numbers off, wildly.
          Excludes non-financial factors e.g. warm fuzzy feelings.

      Anyone who knows better is welcome to chime-in! I'd be curious to know of significantly different tax rules in other countries.

    3. Re:So do the employees get to write that off? by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Scenario #3 is not possible. You can put the employee's name on it, but unless the employee owned the phone, they didn't give it (legally speaking). You could technically gift the employee the phone and then ship it to the charity instead. In that case, the employee would owe tax on the phone, which would then be cancelled out by giving it to charity. Effectively, Scenario #3 and 4 is the same, except #3 would have some crazy paperwork involved. Because in scenario #3, the employer would claim a tax deduction on giving you the phone to give to the charity.

  2. Write off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So does this mean the employees get the write off or just Alphabet?

    1. Re:Write off by CAOgdin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course Alphabet gets the tax write-off. That's why the "banker" at the top changed the rules. To that mindset, employees are just a drag on revenues and not worth what they're paid...no matter how low. And, now, with a new appointment to leadership for the Department of Labor, we can expect any "floor" on earnings in general (e.g., "minimum wage") to evaporate to zero.

      We are merely serfs working in the world created by, and enjoyed solely by, the 1% who own more net worth than the 99% of the rest of us (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475).

      Know your place, serf. You exist only to benefit the wealthy...unless you ARE wealthy.

    2. Re:Write off by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      https://www.irs.gov/businesses...

      If Alphabet is actually donating shit in the employee's names, then the employee can deduct it.
      Alphabet pays the tax on the gift to the employee (see the link). The employee donates the gift and deducts it.

      The fact that the employee never received the gift directly doesn't matter. All that matters is whether or not Alphabet is donating on its employee's behalf, as stated in the summary, or if it's donating in its own name.

      The giver (Alphabet) pays the gift tax, not the recipient (the employee). The donor (the employee) gets to deduct it.

  3. Re:The human fund by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their bonuses were gifted to "charity" aka, the shareholders...

  4. Headline correct; summary wrong by gavron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any employer can donate the gifts (or funds) they would have spent on employees, or any amount for that matter, to charity. That part of the story is clear and good on Alphabet for helping out needy schools to the tune of more money than I'll ever make in my lifetime.

    What is not accurate is the phrase "on its employees behalf" and other posters have already indicated that if the employees don't get the tax advantage, then the donation is not "on their behalf." Indeed the incentive is for Alphabet to get the deduction, effectively providing a $30M gift which costs them probably half that.

    However, unlike other posters who say "If I'm not getting the benefit then F*** them" I think on it this way: If I were an employee and was told "This year instead of giving YOU a gift we're giving one to a poor child in need" then I would think about whether I was ENTITLED to a gift (no), or whether I just got spoilt and greedy and want want wanted a gift, and now I'm crying my big head to sleep on my big pillow.

    Good on Alphabet. Good on everybody who supports helping out those in need.

    E
    P.S. I'm not a tax expert, lawyer, nor doctor. But I do write my opinions on the Internet.

    1. Re:Headline correct; summary wrong by Nemyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alphabet is not so poor that their charitable deeds must go through taking a chunk off their employees' salary. If it mattered that much to the execs, why don't they cut their own salaries for the year to cover it up? They wouldn't even have to slash it by that much to cover the 30M.

      The intent of this twisting of words is clear: to make it socially unacceptable to complain about it. It's utter bullshit.

    2. Re:Headline correct; summary wrong by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm glad Alphabet decided to help out by donating .... but if I worked for them, I'd still be a little upset by this.

      #1? These donations of millions of dollars worth of technology to help schools/education don't exactly have a great track record. When your teachers and staff are underpaid and over-stressed, they're just not going to take the time and effort required to implement the new tech very well. A lot of this stuff will wind up sitting in schools, unused -- or under-utilized. $30 million given to help hire more quality teachers and keep up with maintenance issues in the school buildings would probably have done a lot more.

      #2? It's not necessarily being "spoiled and greedy" to assume that your employer will give you a "bonus" or gift at the end of the year, if they're traditionally known for doing it. That's part of how your overall compensation is factored. (EG. When I was hired on where I work now, I tried to negotiate for a higher salary than they offered but they wouldn't budge. Instead, they countered that they almost always gave out end of year bonuses, plus typically did at least one big company meeting/trip to a nice location for several days, where we'd enjoy a lot of perks and entertainment too. Those were bargaining chips to make me take the offer ... not truly gifts that I would be "greedy" to expect to receive, if I did good work through the whole year.)

  5. Re:We can afford to give away $30 Million by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Dear employee:

    As a way of thanking you for working hard for our company all year to help us be a success in our marketplace, we are giving other people a buttload of stuff on your behalf.

    Hope you saved enough money so you could donate to a charity that you want to donate to, because, well, screw them.

    Signed,

    The ABC Grinch

  6. Re:Taxes? by cob666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they had paid the employees then the payroll costs would be an expense so the net effect for the company is the same. Donating the money to charity makes them look nicer but has the downside of pissing off the employees.

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  7. I agree and what does this mean for next year? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An unlike what gavron thinks, this is not a god damn "gift". This is a "reward".

    To me that is exactly right. Going forward will Google donate different amounts of money to charity at the end of each year depending on employee performance? That would seem to be the case if they really are taking bonuses and giving them away.

    No matter what I can't see how this is good for morale, or retention in a pretty hot hiring environment.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  8. Re:The human fund by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Man...this seems to happen to ALL "cool" companies.

    They start out often quite employee centric....sure you work hard, but they give you lots of perks at work, free food drinks, kitchens, parties on and off campus...even keggers....

    And then..they get a bit too big, the owners cede management to more managerial types, who count pennies but don't know the worth of a HAPPY EMPLOYEE....and then well, the fun and perks start to disappear, and soon....it is like any other boring job, and those little extras that build team work, or make you feel 'ok' about working a few extra hours to get something out the door, *vanish*.

    At that point, unless the pay is insanely good...no real reason to stay or show any type of loyalty whatsoever.

    The soul of the company is gone.

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  9. Christmas bonus for talent poachers by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You just don't do something like this.

    EVERYONE knows this is a tax write-off even if you honestly didn't intend it to be that way it is how it will universally be interpreted.

    If you didn't want to give Christmas bonus simply not giving them to people may be a disappointment but pulling this shit is far worse. It is essentially telling your employees to go fuck themselves while announcing they will not be receiving a bonus.

    Given current labor environment whoever made this decision to announce donations like this should probably be asked to resign.

  10. this is not a gift for employees by j2.718ff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The person doing the "giving" (Alphabet) gets the tax write-off, so the employees got absolutely nothing. Alphabet is in no way required to give their employees gifts, and I think it would have been better if they didn't. This is just an failed attempt at good PR. I'm happy Alphabet is donating to charity - they just shouldn't be pretending they're doing it for their employees.

  11. Re:The Honeymoon is over I guess? by JackieBrown · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what happens when you work for a company that values it's social awareness and community factor as much as Google does.

    They probably thought that their employees felt the same and would be pleased helping people less fortunate than themselves. (Especially since demographically, their employees vote for a party that is all for taking people's stuff and redistributing it to the less fortunate.)

  12. Re:The Honeymoon is over I guess? by Dread_ed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They wanted the tax deduction and the good press. Dicks.

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    When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
  13. Re:The Honeymoon is over I guess? by SpiritualRemains · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair, I would have expected the bean counters to be in control of an accounting firm to start with.

  14. Re:Good for Alphabet! by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    something socially responsible

    Screw the workers by not giving them something that they usually get. Check
    Make a massive donation to gain a huge tax write off when you already pay next to no taxes. Check.
    CEO takes a bonus likely equal to the after tax donation that was made for saving money and screwing employees at the same time. Check.

    Get either shills or complete idiot's support on Slashdot for actions. Social responsibility at its best.

  15. Re: The human fund by n7ytd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For next Christmas they will get to train their H1B replacements.

    That is at least two or three years down the road.

    Next year is the "Jelly of the Month Club."

    It's the gift that keeps on giving all year long!

  16. Re:So many people don't understand tax deductions by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it doesn't matter whether the company or the employee gets the deduction - it works out the same either way

    It isn't the same. It can matter alot.

    First, the company is picking the charity, not you. For example, someone impacted by breast cancer may want to donate to a charity related to that instead of handing more money to schools. I know at least two dozen charities that are more appropriate than throwing more money to my local school district which has already gotten a tax levy to spend $1.2 MILLION on giving students iPads. (I would be VERY unhappy if my employer said they valued my work so much they were going to give more of my money to a "charity" that was already taxing me to do the same thing.)

    Second, if you get the money it may put you in a status where it makes sense to itemize, and you may then deduct a lot of things that would otherwise not be deductible. It may increase your giving because you know that you can deduct it.

    Third, it will appear on your annual income statements, which are used by the SSA to determine retirement payments, or if a year counts towards retirement at all. It can also have an effect on how much you can borrow as it will be shown as income.

    But overall, giving the money to the employee means that the employee chooses where his money goes, not the company. It may help the tax liability of the employee by allowing itemization to increase deductions after donating the money. Or it may simply be a really useful $3000 if it isn't donated.

    In either case, it isn't the same thing even if in some cases the ends are the same. The ends don't justify the means.