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Twitter Cuts API Access For Media Sonar, Spy Tool Used To Target Black Lives Matter (dailydot.com)

Police have now one less tool to monitor users on Twitter. The Daily Dot is reporting that Twitter has cut ties with a third-party social network surveillance firm, citing company policies intended to safeguard users against the surreptitious collection of data by law enforcement agencies. From the report: The severed contract follows Twitter nullifying the commercial data agreements of two other leading social-network-surveillance firms, Geofeedia and Snaptrends. Previously unreported, Twitter severed the access of Media Sonar, an Ontario-based company founded in 2012, which has sold surveillance software to police departments across the United States. Nineteen local government services are known to have each spent at least $10,000 on the software between 2014 and 2016, according to documents acquired under state open-records laws. Twitter informed the Daily Dot this week that it had terminated Media Sonar's access to its public API in October. If the company attempts to create other API keys, Twitter said, "we will terminate those as well and take further action as appropriate."

104 comments

  1. Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Couldn't be because Jack is personal friends with BLM activists, could it?

    1. Re:Couldn't be because... by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      What I don't get is why they're willing to sell this to anyone but the police. If it's somehow private and sensitive, why are they allowed to sell it at all?

    2. Re:Couldn't be because... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Not likely. Twitter cut the same ties with two other social media surveillance companies that weren't targeting BLM activists prior to cutting ties with this one.

    3. Re:Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And why shouldn't it? What's so wrong with being friends with civil rights activists?

    4. Re:Couldn't be because... by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is why they're willing to sell this to anyone but the police.

      Because overly broad government surveillance sucks and they don't want to be a willing participant?

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    5. Re:Couldn't be because... by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Because overly broad government surveillance sucks and they don't want to be a willing participant?

      But over-broad private surveillance is A-OK to sell to the highest bidder?

      And it's not like the government can just set up fake companies. Why, the CIA never does that!

    6. Re:Couldn't be because... by BlueStrat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And why shouldn't it? What's so wrong with being friends with civil rights activists?

      What "civil rights activists"?

      BLM is a pro-criminal racist hate-group advocating killing police. They are no better than the KKK.

      The DoJ under Trump should prosecute Twitter and Dorsey as criminal accessories to violence/murder/assault committed against police and whites by BLM activists.

      Strat

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    7. Re:Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      typical libertarian slashdot nerd hates free speech, news at 11

    8. Re:Couldn't be because... by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      typical libertarian slashdot nerd hates free speech, news at 11

      I'm all for free speech.

      I am not for inciting violence, anarchy, and murder. Especially not based on race. There are laws against it for very good reasons. Would you want to see the KKK out there calling for people to murder blacks like BLM does regarding police/whites?

      Hypocrite, much?

      Strat

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    9. Re: Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The users posts are equivalent of standing on a street corner and making speeches to anyone willing to listen. The information is available to anyone in the public. The police and government are not violating the 1st amendment or 4th amendment if anyone using these social media platforms. Jump and scream all you want. The law, courts and SOCTUS will all rule to come down on the side that this is allowed.

    10. Re: Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A group of my friends have a private chat on face group. They were passed that the Locall blm movement they follow worked with police instead of murdering them. #notallblm and all, but those that are peaceful are targeted by the blm community for not stepping in line.

    11. Re:Couldn't be because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, I forgot that criticizing someone's views means that you think they shouldn't be able to express them.

      Random idiot makes a strawman out of people he disagrees with, news at 11.

    12. Re:Couldn't be because... by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, I forgot that criticizing someone's views means that you think they shouldn't be able to express them.

      Random idiot makes a strawman out of people he disagrees with, news at 11.

      Quite frankly, I could not give two shits about their views because their "views" are based on racism, hatred, and lies like 'hands up don't shoot'. Views, opinions, etc are like assholes...everyone has them and most stink.

      What I *do* care about are the criminal acts they commit like inciting and committing acts of violence and murder. Dead cops and random white people assaulted do not a strawman make.

      If you are unable to differentiate between the two you need to seek psychological help, as you are a danger to yourself and others.

      Strat

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  2. Web Scraping by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Guess they'll have to use Beautiful Soup. Do some web scraping.
    How inconvenient, I guess.

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  3. shameful by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    There's so much market for warrantless spying that people are starting for-profit companies to support it.

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    1. Re:shameful by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is it spying when its ALL Public info? you have no reasonable expectation of privacy when you post things on like FB or twitter. Its called Police work to monitor people that look to do harm or break the law.

    2. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its called Police work to monitor people that look to do harm or break the law.

      The problem is, those aren't the only people they're monitoring. You and I are being monitored, too. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking to do any harm or break the law.

    3. Re:shameful by arbiter1 · · Score: 2

      Yea welcome to internet age, Don't post in public forum's if you are that worried about being monitored.

    4. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yay pre-cog

    5. Re:shameful by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      No. Its shameful that companies make a business in selling data of their customers, and the state is just another entity who buys them. What happened here was that they used a proxy company to purchase the data, because out of some reason (probably the snowden relevations), twitter didn't want them to give the data directly. Probably if everything you say (in private) on the platform will automatically lead to investigations against you, people will stop using twitter and maybe go to competitors that encrypt communications, which in turn means less profits for twitter.

    6. Re:shameful by bfpierce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      'Police Work' used to be defined as getting involved with your community and understanding your population.

      What you are describing is is not Police Work, it's something else entirely.

    7. Re:shameful by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > There's so much market for warrantless spying that people are starting for-profit companies to support it.

      I can't believe how many of you people are spying on my post right now...

    8. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reasonable expectation of privacy

      With every new communication and monitoring technology innovation, the reasonable expectation of privacy shrinks. Perhaps y'all need a constitutional reform?

    9. Re:shameful by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      How is it spying when its ALL Public info?

      My bad. Mod me down if you can spare the points.

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    10. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah welcome to the thoughtcrime age, don't have any UnPlusThink if you are that worried about being monitored.

    11. Re:shameful by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The same way it's stalking if you follow someone walking around town, even though they have no reasonable expectation of privacy as they walk down public sidewalks. Intent matters.

    12. Re:shameful by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't this getting involved and understanding the population? I'm sure they understandd the population much better after analyzing their Twitter feeds.

    13. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you stalking your friends when you read their Twitter feed? When you get alerts that friends have sent Tweets, or updated Facebook, is that stalking?

      I think you have a very large misunderstanding of what stalking is, and a worse one of how it relates to the internet.

    14. Re:shameful by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's more like following people as they move around in public, i.e. surveillance. I guess the author just confused spying and surveillance, and to be fair they are often one and the same these days.

      Just like if you started following and photographing people in a public space you might be asked to leave by the owner of that space, Twitter has decided to boot these guys out.

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    15. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have a very large misunderstanding of what friends are, and a worse one of how it relates to warrantless surveillance.

    16. Re:shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, when did shouting shit at the top of your lungs for everyone* to hear become equal to private thoughts that do not leave your head?

      *(oh, but not the police, never the police. everyone else can listen to my shouting at the top of my lungs but police are absolutely forbidden to listen.)

    17. Re:shameful by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Privacy is never expected when you are standing on a soap box on a street corner shouting at the top of your lungs. What is there to understand here?

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  4. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That should please all 5 people on twitter

  5. Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't have any sympathy for secret spy schemes or the mass warrantless interception of private data or communications. The people behind those belong in jail.

    But Twitter isn't a private communication. It's public. When you stand up on a soapbox on the street corner and start shouting, yes, that's your free speech right. But a cop can stand there and listen to what you say, even record it if they want. It's a public place.

    If you want to communicate privately, use a private medium. The police should certainly be disallowed from monitoring that without probable cause and a proper warrant. But you can't on one hand put something out there to the general public, and on the other expect it to stay private. People need to stop having the illusion that what they post publicly on the Internet has any reasonable expectation of privacy.

    The actual problem is this:

    The proposal’s terms and conditions stipulate that agencies using the platform must avoid disclosure of the Media Sonar brand or methodology, instead of (sic) encouraging clients to refer to the software as a “proprietary search engine” or “internet tools” in court. The company goes on to state that “general widespread media attention to the platform could result in a significant decrease in efficacy and the overall business model.”

    No, no, and no. If you want to use evidence in court, you must tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, including the specifics of how you gathered it. All of that should be available for the opposing party to challenge; that's part of their due process rights. If you don't want to reveal the method of gathering it, you don't get to use the evidence. If you want to defend it as legitimate when challenged, you must reveal the details to show that it in fact is. You don't just get to say "No, it's fine, we promise."

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    1. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The problem is that BLM are the neo-marxist's useful idiots that thye msut be protected to advance (((their))) cause.

    2. Re:Public information? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Twitter has a direct messaging feature, which is private. You can also block people you don't want to see your tweets, and make them only available to logged in users, or users you whitelist.

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    3. Re:Public information? by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      When you stand up on a soapbox on the street corner and start shouting, yes, that's your free speech right. But a cop can stand there and listen to what you say, even record it if they want. It's a public place.

      Imagine if everytime a particular person spoke in public, they had a court stenographer following them and recording everything they say. Would that have a chilling effect on free speech? Twitter has a vested business interested in having people use it's services more. Government based monitoring is going to suppress usage of it's services. Seems like a pretty straightforward business case that they don't want these guys spying on their users.

    4. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like stingray.

    5. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      It's certainly my hope that Twitter's API doesn't allow access to private or "whitelist only" communication. If it does, that's a problem that goes well beyond this one instance. I can't say I'm terribly familiar with it myself, but I imagine if it had massive security flaws in it like that, we'd have heard about it by now. And if it does and we haven't, we certainly should.

      As far as allowing access by non-blocked or logged in only users, that's such a low bar that you're still speaking publicly. For the blocked users, it would be equivalent to that speaker on the soapbox having a restraining order against someone. That one person (or even more than one person) can't come to hear them speak, but everyone else in the world still can. That is, for all intents and purposes, still speaking to the general public.

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    6. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Well, just like it's Twitter's service, it's their API. They can restrict access to it in any way and for any reason they see fit.

      If you're in public and attracting attention, it's foolish to presume you're not being recorded. With everyone having an audio and video recorder in their pocket, as well as the massive number of stationary recording devices, chances are good you probably are being recorded at any given time, especially if you're attracting attention. The stenographer would be largely redundant. You can consider that good, bad, or mixed, but such is the world we live in.

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    7. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Oh, (((their))) cause, is it?

      You know, the meaning of the triple parentheses isn't exactly a big secret any more. If you want to spew anti-Semitic crap, then at least have the balls to do it openly.

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    8. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      No, it differs from Stingray in that fundamental respect.

      Cell phone conversations are presumed to be private. If you make a cell phone call from a private place, to someone else who is also in a private place, you most certainly have a reasonable expectation of privacy for that call. But Stingray could be intercepting that.

      On the other hand, when I post this on Slashdot, I can't reasonably expect that to be private. I'm posting it for anyone who wants to read it.

      That's the fundamental difference. It's the difference between someone using a long zoom to take photos through your bedroom window, and you happening to appear on a security tape when you go to the grocery store. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your bedroom. You don't in the grocery store.

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    9. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anti-Semitic? What are you talking about? I get it, everyone you disagree with is LITERALLY HITLER right?

    10. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's not secret then it's done openly. Moron.

    11. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's your (((You.)))

    12. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 2

      Do us both a favor, and don't presume either one of us for stupid. Here's what that actually means: Triple parentheses

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    13. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is a White supremacist conspiracy without a single trace of an evidence, but pointing at the proud Jews that openly finance racist BLM organisation is antisemitism? If inciting race riot reflect badly on their cult, perhaps they should not be doing it.

    14. Re:Public information? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      a cop can stand there and listen to what you say, even record it if they want. It's a public place.

      The difference is that it used to take some effort to track what one person was saying in those public places. With technology making it nearly free, we're all facing every public moment of our entire lives being stored forever in some law enforcement database.

      I'm fine with the local police getting copies of business' surveillance tapes, interviewing people, and checking telco logs to piece together my actions, AFTER there has been some credible accusation that I've committed a felony. But doing it all day, every day, in minute detail, storing it forever, etc., is massively crossing a line into police-state territory.

      Your argument is akin to peeping toms protesting their innocence because you don't have an expectation of privacy when absolutely anybody could have been standing on a ladder, with a high-powered scope, taking pictures through the crack between the curtains, so it's all your fault, not theirs.

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    15. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      No, I'll still be the first to assert that private communication has a genuine expectation of privacy, and law enforcement has no right to monitor that without probable cause and a warrant. As I said above.

      But what you say in public is public. If someone wants to scrape it all and analyze it, well, you made it all public. You said it to the general public, and the general public has the right to do what they will with it. Including analysis.

      You don't get to on one hand shout out something to the public and on the other hand expect it to be private. You can have one or the other. Not both.

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    16. Re:Public information? by cavreader · · Score: 1

      "Would that have a chilling effect on free speech?" No. At least not in the US. Some of the most incendiary public speech in the history of the country has been documented in one format or another and distributed to the widest audience possible. Today the Internet has made capturing a large audience easy and fast. The people testing the limits of their 1st amendment rights go out of their way to draw attention to themselves and their statements.

    17. Re:Public information? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      So you're okay with someone waiting outside your door, at all times, with a video camera, waiting to follow you around and record everything you ever say and do in public, for your entire life? Correct?

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    18. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if I'm alright with it or not. They're allowed to do that. That in fact happens with many celebrities, they're called paparazzi. As long as they only film and photo in public, it's perfectly legal for them to be doing it.

      If I ever got that famous, I suppose that'd be a good problem to have. If the person acts threatening or harasses you in any way, they could be prosecuted under harassment or stalking laws. But if they just want to waste their time taping me, hey, have fun being bored to death.

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    19. Re:Public information? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      You realize that Jews, like everyone else, are individuals?

      There are some Jews who support BLM. There are some who oppose it. There are some who support their principles but question their tactics.

      Like, you know, all the rest of us.

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    20. Re:Public information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The distinction is implied; It's "the Jews" not "every single ordinary person is Jewish ancestry". The Jews refer to the believers and advocates for the cult. e.g.: peoples that believe there is a single true God and that it is their only therefore everyone else are soul-less beast only good to be exploited.

      You can see the same pattern whit "the Christians", "the Muslim", "The Ku Klux Klan", "The Black Live Matter", etc. When we speak of a cult, movement or organisation we use it's name, and it never refer to every single individual more or less related to it. While this seem obvious, once in a while an idiot can't tell the difference and it must be explained again.

  6. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is Obama targeting BLM?

    Why can't the government read your public Tweets?

    If you plot something illegal in public, are they supposed to not look? I mean, we have had a continual stream of cops being ambushed and shot after the fake news of "hands up don't shoot" and such stories.

  7. White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protected by mi · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What other than racism could explain Twitter banning the White-supremacists, while protecting the Black ones?

    Fook Twitter...

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  8. jack and deray sitting in tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Twitter willingly turns over info on certain undesirables to non-law enforcement organizations who create dossiers on them and track them across other social media, but won't allow so called social media intelligence companies who sell products to the police to do the same? This could backfire badly on Twitter.

  9. Used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innocent until proven guilty. You were not a suspect or investigated unless there was a suspicion that you committed a crime. How things have changed....

    1. Re:Used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Confucius say... "To a hammer, everything is a nail". In other words... To a cop, everyone is a suspect.

    2. Re:Used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are STILL innocent until proven guilty. What has changed is what we do to the innocent. How much of the entertainment sphere makes heroes out of people going outside the law to 'get' the 'bad' guys? Getting off on a technicality to many people is a bad thing, to me, it is people SCREWING UP.

    3. Re:Used to be by aevan · · Score: 1

      ..and to an activist, everything is 'problematic'?

    4. Re:Used to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To a cop, everyone is a target practice.

      Fixed it for funnies.

  10. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racism is a one-way street, it isn't racism the other way around.

  11. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    while protecting the Black ones?

    Did you link the right story? I don't see what it had to do with Twitter.

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  12. What I have against "BLM"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Is that Soros funds them (& backed Hillary Clinton along w/ Wahhabi violent muslims in Saudi Arabia) + the FORD foundation (not even Ford Motor anymore) - the man who has stated he wants the USA broken, led his own Jew faithed folks into captivity & stealing from them, & think he is a God (literally, & a God/Christ complex is 1 of the 1st signs of a psychotic break) - he has NO QUALMS about doing what he does, saying "if I don't someone else will" & is completely amoral (morals are for men, NOT gods - right George? Above ALL else, a God NEEDS compassion (quoting Capt. Kirk to Lt. Gary Mitchell on that one from the StarTrek TOS 'pilot' episode "Where no man has gone before")).

    Also, IF "black lives matter" then WHY the hell do they shoot one another in droves over drug related gang warfare dollars? Answer me that...

    * Their bullshit's TOO EASY to shoot to pieces & see thru (their fav. color HAS to be 'transparent').

    Are there great black folks? Absolutely!

    E.G. - 2 of my heros in this life were black (Athlete Walter Payton & Musician Sam Cooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?... )

    The ONLY ones that are doing this are welfare leaches (whom I pay for in taxes) & those paid by soros.

    APK

    P.S.=> It pisses me off, & does GOOD HARD WORKING BLACK FOLKS who are good USA citizenry working w/in the system doing well (they get more breaks than a white male does for jobs for Pete's sake & the bogus welfare drug dealing ones say they are 'downtrodden'? Please, give me a break - I guess "slingin' rocks is HARD work", eh??) - I've seen those good black folks say "You fools are being PLAYED!" & they are, by Soros (to stir the USA into a racewar, so he + his IMF pals can break us imo)... apk

  13. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by mi · · Score: 1

    while protecting the Black ones?

    Did you link the right story? I don't see what it had to do with Twitter.

    What I linked to had to do with BLM containing Black Supremacists, bent not merely on subjugating or mocking, but outright killing Whites. That Twitter protects them is covered by TFA itself.

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  14. If you want to be hidden from the Police by anthony_greer · · Score: 1

    DONT USE A PUBLIC TOOL! seems obvious but i guess it isnt.

    1. Re:If you want to be hidden from the Police by jopsen · · Score: 1

      It's not about secrecy... Twitter is a public forum and it seems as if American police is actively trying to undermine peaceful public discourse as is critical to a democracy.

      Just because news papers and political meetings are public doesn't mean that the police should be creating a database of "communists sympathizers". Such databases invites abuse and heavily undermines democracy. In many democracies there are tight regulation on what kinds of database the police is authorized to keep. In particular when tracking lawful behavior.

      Note: I don't care who is being tracked nazies/alt-right, communists, civil rights activists, pro-lifters, religious fanatics or people posting cat pictures, unless there is strong evidence that they are planning terrorists attacks the police have no business tracking peaceful demonstrators.

  15. Enforcing rights by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't have any sympathy for secret spy schemes or the mass warrantless interception of private data or communications. The people behind those belong in jail.

    But Twitter isn't a private communication. It's public. When you stand up on a soapbox on the street corner and start shouting, yes, that's your free speech right. But a cop can stand there and listen to what you say, even record it if they want. It's a public place.

    This is where I think we missed the boat on free speech.

    In the free speech debate, everyone points out that no one is required to give you a public forum for your speech. But all these forums actually *are* public, and yet we think it's OK if the companies suppress speech in various ways because it's not the government that's doing it. This fails rational logic in two ways.

    Firstly, there was a time when companies would hand over user details on request of law enforcement without a warrant. The government thought this was OK because the companies were free to deny the request, and they also thought it wasn't a violation of the user's rights (4th amendment) because it wasn't the government doing it.

    The companies were sued, and the government passed "telecom immunity" laws which effectively shut those lawsuits down.

    Allowing companies to censor speech will follow that same arc - eventually the government will be able to "request" that a site suppress some news article or opinion or whatever, with a wink and a nudge, and it'll be the companies doing it and not the government.

    Secondly, we don't allow a company to only hire whites (14th amendment) or only men (19th amendment), because that would be a violation of their rights. We don't allow a company to deny services to gays (such as wedding cakes) either.

    Why do we allow companies to deny 1st amendment rights?

    I think the distinction has to be made between public and private forums. Breitbart can post right-leaning articles, and the NYT can post left-leaning ones, because those are private to the company. Not everyone can get an article published on the NYT website, it's the company product built by employees.

    But the article comments sections are public - anyone can log in and post a reply, an opinion, or even a rant. To have those sections monitored and curated is a violation of free speech by the public. Companies shouldn't be in the business of curating free speech, and their response to illegal speech should be to alert the police.

    We're rapidly approaching the point where *no* opposing speech or controversial ideas will be available, simply because the big players will go in and remove the ones they don't like. Look at the election coverage for proof of this - constantly insulting Donald Trump in the media wasn't enough to get Hillary elected, because the opposing views were available. There's a move on to remove those opposing views from the public eye.

    I think we're losing freedoms here. Free speech means literally *all* speech, including speech you disagree with, or that disagree with you.

    We shouldn't let companies run public forums without enforcing free speech.

    It could be the downfall of our republic.

    1. Re:Enforcing rights by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      This. There is a difference between you saying something and enabling someone else to say something. To use the car analogy: There is a difference between driving a car and taking a bus. Similar activities on the same infrastructure with different responsibilities for each operator to ensure the public interests without discrimination.

      What is frustrating is that when it comes to protected classes, if you use the right politikspeak you can bypass the intent of those laws. You cannot deny service to a couple for being gay but you can deny them for being liberal. You can deny a religious person service for their religious belief if you use the right words to describe your discrimination; i.e. their belief is 'offensive'. As opposed to the courts rejected version 'my religion informed my policy of wedding cakes' despite religion being a protected class under federal law.

    2. Re:Enforcing rights by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      I could see that to a degree. But that's a different question.

      Right now, the First Amendment only covers government action. The Fourth does too. Now, when the government was seeking records, that absolutely should implicate the Fourth Amendment. That should similarly happen with the First if it's the government asking for certain types of speech to be disallowed somewhere.

      But the Fourteenth and Nineteenth don't create those employment and public accommodation laws. They, too, only restrict the government. It's laws, like the Civil Rights Act, that put into place the actual protections against discrimination by private actors.

      I'm not sure how the constitutionality of requiring Twitter, or Slashdot, or any other platform to let anyone use its services without restriction would come out. I suspect they could readily argue that it violates freedom of association; that they have the right not to be associated with those people, and to kick them off their property. But there might be some success in making "political persuasion" a protected class. Of course, the lawsuits over what exactly falls under that would be nothing if not endless.

      But realistically, I think the whole thing is overblown. I saw tons and tons of pro-Trump stuff on social media. Trump himself was certainly never barred from using Twitter, and does so to this day. If Facebook won't even stop flat out lies masquerading as news from being posted, I think they're being pretty permissive.

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    3. Re:Enforcing rights by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, the issue is not even free speech really, it's that everyone should have access to some kind of platform in healthy democracy.

      Even publicly owned spaces usually have limits on behaviour and speech, which are necessary for everyone to enjoy them. Even if you could day what you liked in any public space, you wouldn't because freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

      Fortunately there are places like 8chan where pretty much anything goes. You might be frustrated that the most popular platforms don't allow your particular speech (although Twitter will tolerate pretty much anything other than harassment and child pornography) but you are not being silenced. Also remember that no one has to listen to you either.

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    4. Re:Enforcing rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the issue is not even free speech really

      No, the issue IS free speech, and your post factual denials don't change that.

      What you're doing is no different than a racist going "I'm not racist, but..."

      Even publicly owned spaces usually have limits on behaviour and speech, which are necessary for everyone to enjoy them. Even if you could day what you liked in any public space, you wouldn't because freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

      Only if those limits and consequences are applied equally, but that's not the case. What we have is one side is expected to face consequences, while the other gets a pass in demanding safe spaces. Remember how BLM hijacked one of Bernie's rallies? What consequences did they face?

      Your "consequences" rhetoric is straight out of a racist "law and order", "tough on crime" play book.

    5. Re:Enforcing rights by BitztreamNotARealNam · · Score: 1

      This is where you show us you're a hypocrite.

      Yes, because BitZtream knows a thing or two about being a hypocrite.

    6. Re:Enforcing rights by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      You might be frustrated that the most popular platforms don't allow your particular speech (although Twitter will tolerate pretty much anything other than harassment and child pornography)

      For leftist-favoring definitions of harassment and child abuse.

      but you are not being silenced.

      Only if you're leftist. If you're conservative, the policy will be used at a moment's notice to purge.

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  16. It still is by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    'Police Work' used to be defined as getting involved with your community and understanding your population.

    How does that not exactly describe monitoring Twitter? Where ELSE would you go right now to understand and interact with the community? (Other than Facebook of course).

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    1. Re:It still is by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      Passive monitoring isn't 'getting involved'. Where do you guys even come from with this logic? Is there some kind of training course for this?

    2. Re:It still is by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Passive monitoring isn't 'getting involved'. Where do you guys even come from with this logic? Is there some kind of training course for this?

      What the fuck do you think police are doing on routine patrols? The primary function of police is to prevent and respond to crime. Part of that is passive monitoring of the public. You can argue about the scope, but that's been a part of police work for as long as there have been police.

  17. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgot your [/sarcasm] tag

  18. Who? What? Why? by Jerry · · Score: 0

    What do the founders of Black Lives Matter: Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi have in common?
    They are members of the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, avowed Marxists.
    That's why Twitter cut the API access. They don't want law enforcement to track the activities of subversives trying to destroy our Republic, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution on which it is based.

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  19. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So don't use Twitter and your "problem" is solved.

  20. Gotta protect the echo chamber! by Chas · · Score: 1

    Heaven forbid we stop violent, racist thugs before they rip up a city!

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    1. Re:Gotta protect the echo chamber! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only racists on twitter are blm.

    2. Re:Gotta protect the echo chamber! by Chas · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say BLM are the ONLY racists.

      But yeah.

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  21. Re:Who? What? Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    feel free to lay out your case with supporting documentation. Connections, how they are destroying the things you mentioned.

  22. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "... of the united states of america & to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, 1 nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE - with liberty & justice for ALL" - We're a Constitutional Republic specifically http://www.conservapedia.com/Constitutional_Republic/ that's being subverted by FALSE NARRATIVES like yours is due to the above!

    (Jill Stein tried saying that too falsely, just like you, that we're democracy-> "If you believe in democracy, if you believe in the credibility of your victory" from https://www.yahoo.com/news/fed... )

    The PROBLEM with democracy, pure democracy?

    Is that 51% of folks can TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS of 49% - & yes, that's WHY we use the Electoral College!

    All per "rule of law" that constitutional republics elect officials with - it's all in the link above!

    For keeping largely populated urban centers in heavily populated states from doing it. This IS what Shillary SOROS was after (soros funds BLM & wants to break the USA & has said so, he also thinks he's God, + led his own jew people into captivity & stole from them - he'd do you that way too!)

    I do see our right to bear arms being assaulted, our freedom of speech too ('hate crime' bs - don't LIKE it? Don't listen... what ARE you afraid of!) in 'Free Speech Zones' (WTF? I was taught the WHOLE USA IS THAT) & so is the electoral college lately too!

    WTF!

    * Get RIGHT man - read the 1st link, be enlightened...

    APK

    P.S.=> Most folks, including BLM ones, are being PLAYED badly & yes, it's part your own faults... why? You're ignorant of FACTS - yes truth & facts - your post proves it! apk

  23. Re:White supremacists banned, Black ones -- protec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's [fake] news to me.

  24. So what? by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    We're all going to be spied on soon enough.

    What, you think a government now controlled by big fans of authoritarianism isn't going to rapidly pass exactly that the Tories have just done in the UK? Then you're as big a fool as rust-belt voters believing the lies of a reality TV star.

  25. Something's wrong here by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    violence, anarchy, and murder

    One of these things is not like the other.

    1. Re:Something's wrong here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      violence, anarchy, and murder

      One of these things is not like the other.

      Why would or should they be?

      It seems the disconnect here is one constructed of your personal perceptions and biases.

    2. Re:Something's wrong here by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Violence and murder have profound effects on people that anarchy does not necessarily have.

    3. Re:Something's wrong here by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? Have you seen the videos of the "protests" in Baltimore when Gray died?

      There were kids walking around breaking the windows of cars trying to get home from work. How is that not harmful to people?

      https://www.google.com/search?...

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  26. Re:Fuck the Police by davester666 · · Score: 1

    More like Twitter wants to get paid directly. No discount for the cops.

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  27. Any group that advocates murdering police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should be monitored and have an eye kept on them. regardless of whether its declared in their official platform, the anti police and kill police rhetoric is everywhere in the rank and file, as well as violence against non blacks. its gross, its racist (i sound like ben affleck) and it needs to be watched, or we will have even more police ambushed and attacked. and one BLM chapter recommends dismantling the police as a solution. fuck that. blacks wanting safety in their own communities need police

  28. Whoosh by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Passive monitoring isn't 'getting involved'.

    That is the "understanding your community part", second section.

    The first part is using Twitter to reach out to people, which IS getting involved. That is true of my own local police department.

    Where do you guys even come from with this logic?

    It's called "reading comprehension", you should try it sometime. Maybe if someone diagrammed out the single sentence for you?

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  29. It's bitztream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating Slashdot troll!

  30. So Twitter protects criminals. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Given Twitter's support of protecting criminals of similar leanings, this isn't surprising. I wonder how long this will go until they have to actually defend someone significant they hate (or purge someone significant they favor), if only to be consistent with policy.

    There's always Lockheed Wisdom.

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  31. Narrative Control Tools, Twitter Edition. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    You can also block people you don't want to see your tweets, and make them only available to logged in users, or users you whitelist.

    If there was sanity at Twitter, they'd purge those features after purging the "Trust and Safety" team.

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