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Magic Leap CEO Promises Production Tests Have Begun For 'Mixed Reality' Headsets (mashable.com)

"[A]fter a particularly critical report earlier this week, the notoriously secretive company appears to be in damage control mode," writes Mashable. An anonymous reader summarizes their report: Thursday a reporter "highlighted the company's first promotional video as more Weta Workshop special effects than a direct example of Magic Leap technology," and announced on Reddit that "employees in the company were concerned about [the first video] being misleading to the public" -- which apparently provoked a response Friday from the company's CEO.

"The message at first appears to be a simple status update, but then Abovitz gets more specific, indicating that the blog post is almost certainly an indirect response to the previous day's critical story. 'The units we are building now are for engineering and manufacturing verification/validation testing, early reliability/quality testing, production line speed, and a bunch of other important parameters. There is also a lot more going in our development of software, applications, cool creative experiences and overall operational readiness. Stay tuned -- the fun is just beginning.'"

Mashable adds that when reached for a comment, "the company gave a similarly short 'stay tuned' message, hinting that something may finally be about to be revealed. Or not... [W]ith billions on the line, it's beginning to look like the secretive, NDA-fueled, hype-framed honeymoon is over."

54 comments

  1. Mixed reality by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mixed reality = this clown's press releases.

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    1. Re:Mixed reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our imaginary production tests have already begun at some unspecified time in the future. In fact, you are already using, and loving, our pretend devices.

    2. Re:Mixed reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would imply there's some truth in there.

    3. Re: Mixed reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of these 'VC's have 401K/pension/superannuation fund money invested with them.

      Obviously some of that money has been used to fund this presumably bogus company.

    4. Re: Mixed reality by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Unless you are a billionaire VC who is invested in the company... Why is it any of your fucking business

      Where does it say you have to be personally affected by a scam before you can call it a scam?

      and who are you to pass judgment or make snide shitbag remarks?

      I could ask you the same, if I didn't already know.

      yet you still feel entitled to something from them

      Well I am. Go through the list of things I asked for in my Frosty Piss and tell me why I'm not.

      Fuck off.

      Assume I don't. What next, fatty?

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    5. Re:Mixed reality by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The Daily Mail is a running joke, but even they generally get the cricket scores right. And the date.

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    6. Re: Mixed reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Magic Leap CEO

    7. Re: Mixed reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you are a billionaire VC who is invested in the company... Who fucking cares? Why is it any of your fucking business, and who are you to pass judgment or make snide shitbag remarks?

      They have sold no products to consumers, taken no public money, promised you nothing, and yet you still feel entitled to something from them, and are whining like a petulant cunt as though you deserve anything.

      You don't. Fuck off.

      Ahhh, are you feeling a little but hurt you special little snow flake? So sorry....

  2. He promises! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it also be a 3D printed prototype? Let's make a hype black hole!

    1. Re:He promises! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a tool that every home handy man needs. It's a jigsaw. It's a power drill. It's a wood-turning lathe. It's an asphalt spreader. It's 67 tools in one! How much would you pay for a machine that can do all this?

    2. Re:He promises! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      Will it also be a 3D printed prototype? Let's make a hype black hole!

      That's only acceptable if the unit is then delivered by a drone...

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    3. Re:He promises! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      ... and you can buy it with bitcoin.

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    4. Re:He promises! by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to tell you, because in 30 seconds you're going to give me two for the price of one!

    5. Re:He promises! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And boy does it sure catch fish!

  3. Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This comapny is simply repeating the "Secure VC millions based on hot air then go bust on purpose" model of the dot com era.

    1. Re:Magic leap of faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me. This one is different. Rony has been obsessed with VR forever, since before he made his fortune in the milesical industry. Some dummies will hail him the "Elon musk" of VR/AR.

    2. Re:Magic leap of faith by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Except they have more than hot air; they have genuinely interesting technology. I say this with some confidence because of *who* invested, and how much. You don't get the likes of Google, Qualcomm and Intel to toss you hundreds of millions with nothing more than a video with a Weta logo on it.

      Granted they do not have a shippable product, and may still be some distance from one. This is not unusual. But magically leaping to the conclusion that he will *never* have one is certainly premature.

      I've found it fascinating to see how readily the masses will seize upon any hint of criticism no matter how thin, and crow about how they knew it all along, any idiot could see it, and all those investors who had direct access to the engineers and early prototypes are obvious dupes with a fraction the sense of random commentors on the internet. Why are people so much more willing to believe a clickbait headline these days? Is it deep-seated anger about their own situation that drives them to believe the worst they hear about others?

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    3. Re:Magic leap of faith by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      fortune in the milesical industry.

      For those who don't know, that's an actual, word. Music for millenials. Bland, rehashed or bland and rehashed.

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    4. Re:Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> that's an actual, word.

      Google has no hits for it.

    5. Re:Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > they have genuinely interesting technology.

      I've been hearing about the promise of Magic Leap for years now. So much so it become the Duke Nukem of the VR world. IMHO If they actually had anything cool and also on any level do-able it would have been in a product by now.

      Look at this article:
      http://fortune.com/2016/12/09/...

      According to it, the headset they actually have is the size of a helmet, not the sunglasses thing that all the hype has made out, and the demo they posted on youtube over a year ago and claimed "they were playing in the office" was actually made with film studio special effects. If that is hot-air then I don't know what is.

    6. Re:Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      ...and also if they actually had anything interesting there wouldn't be any need for this level of wierd cloak and dagger secrecy around it. Its nothing but a total hype machine.

    7. Re:Magic leap of faith by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So what? It doesn't have any hits for not-it.

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    8. Re:Magic leap of faith by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      IMHO

      You're welcome to your own opinion, but my point is that the opinion of the far-better-informed investors is rather more credible. The number of years you've been hearing about it is not particularly relevant to the feasibility of the product.

      the headset they actually have is the size of a helmet

      Sure, that's a working prototype - the one that performs the lightfield projections that (AFAIK) no other company has demonstrated anything close to (NVIDIA have showed a low-res display-only system, and Microsoft's Hololens, while impressive in many ways, uses ordinary LCD displays rather than lightfields or holograms). The sunglasses are the production target, and they're still finding the best engineering process to get a reasonable display squeezed into that form. It's not some surprising revelation that they've hit the occasional roadbump along the way.

      the demo they posted on youtube over a year ago ... was actually made with film studio special effects

      The one with the big Weta logo in the corner? What a shock :-) If you want a reliable picture of what it can currently do, look instead at the videos that actually claim to be shot through the Magic Leap equipment.

      there wouldn't be any need for this level of wierd cloak and dagger secrecy

      The secrecy was precisely to manage the expectations of the inevitable "hype machine". You may have noticed; the internet has this tendency to blow things out of proportion, both positive and negative.

      Incidentally, while I believe they genuinely do have some interesting technology, and am looking forward to what they (eventually) come out with, I'm not expecting magic, nor anything shipped in the next couple of years. For a well-informed and balanced (yet somewhat critical) look at what we know of Magic Leap's technology, the best I've is on Karl Guttag's blog.

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    9. Re:Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      They've been holding onto this for so long that if they actually do ever come out with anything, there will allready be better stuff out. HTC, Oculus already are better not least because you can actually buy it, and Microsoft won't be standing still either.

    10. Re:Magic leap of faith by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      You forgot the 'IMHO'. HTC and Oculus have an entirely different product (VR not AR, and the usual single-focus-plane display that has the same accommodation/vergence conflict that all the others do, including Microsoft), so unless ML have to give up on their lightfield approach altogether, then they're really not comparable.

      Time will tell, but until it does, it's far too early to write them off completely. They have enough backing to sustain a lot more research and engineering if required.

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    11. Re:Magic leap of faith by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> You forgot the 'IMHO'.

      So did you.

    12. Re:Magic leap of faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Kids today with their Dan Fogleberg and PacMan video games!"

    13. Re:Magic leap of faith by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Magic leap has been promised for years now and so far has delivered a big fat Zero. Meanwhile VR products like HTC and Oculus are available right now and AR with MS. Their amazing promises are on the verge of being outpaced by whats already iterating in the market if they aren't available real fucking fast. Even large companies like google, Qualcomm and Intel regularly invest in things that bomb.

    14. Re:Magic leap of faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      backing for research and engineering quickly dries up if you never deliver. Google and Intel are especially not forgiving for projects that don't deliver and have shown in the past to not be afraid to write off bad investments.

    15. Re:Magic leap of faith by DrXym · · Score: 1
      They only have "genuinely interesting technology" if you take their bullshit videos at face value. But if you step back and look at the state of the art in VR / AR, display technology, image / signal processing, motion / gesture recognition, CPU / GPU processing, battery life etc. you have to wonder how anyone would take them that seriously. It is not credible that they could produce anything even remotely like the videos.

      Look at Microsoft's Hololens (or Kinect before that) as other overhyped projects in a similar vein. Things that look interesting in a vacuum of hype but turned out to be seriously compromised devices. Nothing much has really happened to the state of the art to make me think things have changed here.

      Aside from that, just think about AR for a moment and ask yourself what it's useful for in a practical every day sense. In VR, I can be in a spaceship, or fighting on the beaches of Normandy, or playing tennis, or zooming around the new bridge / building / sculpture / car. Even VR has limits but at least I can change my entire environment. In AR I'm confined to what can be overlaid on my surroundings. So my bridge sits as a puny model on the desktop, my games must incorporate my boring surroundings and so on. And that doesn't even get into the dork-factor / outright hostility that publicly using headset / glass would provoke. Look at google glass to see how that turned out last time it was tried.

      So no I wouldn't trust this investment. At best it's wildly optimistic and whatever appears will be a pale imitation of the hype. Perhaps it's sufficient to sustain sales and it will take off. More likely it will crash and burn like so many other AR/VR endeavours.

    16. Re:Magic leap of faith by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Magic leap has been promised for years now

      What promises? Are you sure you haven't confused the artificial hype from the countless media stories with actual claims from Magic Leap themselves? They have never publicly announced a release date or a product, and have only ever dropped vague hints about their technology.

      Even large companies like google, Qualcomm and Intel regularly invest in things that bomb.

      How often do those companies invest hundreds of millions in relatively-unknown startups?

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    17. Re:Magic leap of faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      considering it was Magic Leap that released the fake demos earlier in the year in an attempt to generate hype I think it is fair to say the artificial hype is something they have been intentionally generating themselves.

    18. Re:Magic leap of faith by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Your view of AR is very focused on fun and gaming. The strength of AR is in Art, Engineering, modelling/CAD, design work, building/architecture industry etc. The Ability to see what you are creating in the real world where that item needs to go is hugely valuable, especially in the realms of engineering and design. In this realm AR is something you use in the office/work so dork factor is simply not relevant when talking about devices like HoloLens as they are not something you wear all the time (at least not yet)

  4. More like Magic Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thing might be neat, but if it takes a huge, expensive machine to run, it'll be a niche product no one will develop for, and it'll flop hard and fast.

  5. But he isn't wearing anything at all :o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps the naked emperor of Magic Leap can overlay some augmented reality clothing, before too many tech columnists start to call him out on it?

    1. Re:But he isn't wearing anything at all :o by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I imagine that the tech columnists are the least of his concerns.

      The ones that are just chasing clicks might actually be happier with hype, since they get to write one story about how awesome you are and another about your hubris and downfall; and even if they are sincerely looking for accurate information, your odds of facing any serious consequences for lying to them are pretty minimal.

      Investors, on the other hand, are less likely to be pleased; and (at least the sorts of VCs and institutional investors who would have made up early funding rounds, not retail peons) are potentially in a position to give you an unpleasant time in court if you were...'optimistic'...in what you told them about the company they were investing in.

      If the situation looks salvageable, they might deem it to be better to hold off, in the hopes of preserving the value of their holdings; but if things look bad enough that suing you looks more valuable than your smoldering ruin of a company, things might go badly.

    2. Re:But he isn't wearing anything at all :o by DrXym · · Score: 1

      If Magic Leap could selectively remove clothing it might sell better.

  6. Rules to live by by theblkadder · · Score: 2

    Any tech company based in Florida, land of the elder scam industry? Automatically suspect.

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  7. Reckless bad reporting? by FumarMata · · Score: 1

    And while the reporter claimed to have sampled a version of Magic Leap's product, on a subsequent podcast, he said, "They didn’t show me what it looks like through this final device."

    "No, I didn't see it, but it must be crap" = Bad reporting

  8. Derp by XSportSeeker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dude, I called this thing as being bullshit the first teaser they ever released how many years ago... I dunno why so many people fell into their bullshit, it was so obviously fake, and similar to several other fake VR/AR design concepts. Well produced CGI, now revealed to be from Weta Workshop, but still a piece of fiction. And to make things worse, the company was secretive and "couldn't reveal" any technical aspects, always a good sign for a leap of faith amirite?

    It's like believing all these people working on Hyperloop development will actually come up with anything near what Elon Musk hallucinated about.
    I wanna see all these companies involved in development after being funded in the order of I dunno how many millions coming out of their labs to say they finally managed to make something that works exactly like a maglev train, only with several drawbacks. It'll be beyond hillarious. Monorail indeed.

    Nevermind stupid Kickstarter scams that are obviously made by and for stupid people without any scientific knowledge like Solar freaking Roadways, smartphones projected on your wrist, laser razors, impossibly thin NFC or bluetooth rings or some crap... it's stuff like this Magic Leap crap that I get worried about. Huge money and time sinks that leads nowhere. Hyperloop, Terrafugia flying car, and whatnot. Tech media becoming a huge echochamber loop of hype and press release bullshit without any publication stopping to think about things logically.

    And then there are times that even big companies get suckered into shit like that not knowing what to do afterwards. You have concepts like Phonebloks, now defunct Project Ara, and Tango which just released it's first commercial phablet, started 10 years ago with that video with the WiiMote experiment from Johnny Lee. Though there probably were lessons learned with both projects, I can only imagine how much time, money and resources were sunk into these projects that anyone with enough sense could see that while they were cool ideas, there was no path into a marketable end project anywhere. And I don't want to sound like a hipster or something but I knew these ideas were bound to fail back when first rumors came around... like lots of other people I guess.

    Maybe I'm an asshole pessimist and it really is this sort of stuff that moves tech forwards... but Project Ara always seemed like a cool but infeasible concept to me because it's completely impractical and incompatible with how smartphones are made and sold, I always kinda knew that stuff like Project Tango was destined to die because despite showing some cool stuff, it's not something anyone but perhaps the tiniest niche of people needs on their smartphone (same for Amazon Fire Phone), I never liked the whole 3D movie/TVs idea because of how inconvenient it was and how incompatible for a home TV environment it seemed, VR might end up dying if all the major companies that invested in it don't change their sales strategy - they are not devices for the masses nor they will ever be, and all companies entered the whole deal without thinking about marketability of it, I never got into the whole wearables and specially smartwatch smarband stuff as something to be marketed for everyone... yeah, I guess I'm an asshole after all. :P

    Admitedly I also favored the idea of HD-DVD over Blu-ray because it was cheaper to produce... and even though I still didn't buy into Blu-ray (or 4K and HDR for that matter) to this day, the standard only won because of sheer corporate backing. It's all about the practicality of those ideas. I still have my DVD movie collection that will eventually become digital only, because everything over fullHD are marginal gains that I don't see enough benefit to invest into. VHS to DVD was definitely great and necessary, but I don't see much over this (biased opinion because my vision isn't 20/20).

    Heh, I got lost into my rant and changed the subject... whatevs. Give me your hatred folks.

    1. Re:Derp by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 2

      I'm beginning to think people are feeling more and more miserable and have a stronger need than ever to believe in escapist fantasies that invariably fail to deliver. No Man's Sky comes to mind. I also thought Magic Leap was trying to cash in on that need the moment I saw the first demo.

      It's like what Louis CK said, "everything is amazing and nobody's happy." I'll go as far to say that if Magic Leap actually did deliver exactly as promised in their fake demos, few would actually buy it. People need a mirage to go after, once they reach it it no longer works.

      Which then follows that ML found the perfect business model, take money from investors to chase an unreachable dream. Reminds me of an analysis how North Korea doesn't want to have nukes, if they do then they are a threat to be dealt with. They just want to be in the process of developing nukes, so they have a negotiating position to potentially benefit from.

    2. Re:Derp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem pretty angry about gadgets, guy. Maybe try hiking?

    3. Re: Derp by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that any VR that's hobbled by 60fps video will *never* feel interactively-immersive. 60fps is enough to appear smooth for passive viewing (when augmented by appropriate motion blur), but feels sloppy & laggy if it tries to be immersive & track your real-world gestures. 120-240fps is the point where latency becomes acceptable, and your own eyes provide the moton blur.

  9. tl;dr by hirundo · · Score: 1

    Old and busted: It's a cross between the virtual and the real.
    New hotness: It's a cross between Project Xanadu and the Segway.

  10. Attention Magic Leap investors by DrXym · · Score: 2

    Have you ever thought of owning a bridge? I'm the exclusive agent contracted to facilitate the sale of the Brooklyn Bridge. Contact me in complete confidence and you could own this valuable artery into New York! Who needs augmented reality when you can have actual reality!

  11. People are just figuring this out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That WetaWorks demo was obvious bullshit from day one. All of Magic Leap's demos have been obvious bullshit outside of the first solar system demo, and it's taken until now for people to catch on? REALLY? The writing was on the board. No hardware to show... WetaWorks... And if anyone watched their promo video, it only drove home that this was all bullshit as everyone interviewed spoke nothing but bullshit -- the main scammer even had the ray-gun prop from the one of the fake demos in his office.

    I wish Google an all of those other rich-morons had consulted with me, they would have saved a few hundred million on this scam that's akin to perpetual energy at the moment and I'd had a few more bucks in my pocket. Hey, anyone interested in buying virtual property on the moon?

    BUT hey, maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am, because this kind of tech would be awesome.

  12. Magic Leap Videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bit #1: videos we released @magicleap that are shot through ML technology say "Shot directly through Magic Leap technology"

  13. Written them off already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeez, every post here has written them off. Funny shit.
    I'll wait and see what they release first.

  14. Hopeful it isn't a complete scam by prolitariac · · Score: 1

    I hold no expectations from Magic leap, but my hope is at the least they are doing some good basic research on the problems involved with good AR. I hope they set it up so that if they fail miserably one of the companies that invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the company can take up where they left off and deliver on the hype in the next 5-10 years. This is the type of research that would not have otherwise been done, and I am glad it is being done by someone (in theory at least). For something that could have significant lasting impacts on how we interact with the world, investing 5% the cost of the Apollo program doesn't seem that crazy. Especially since there doesn't seem to be much (any?) effect on the average taxpayer.

  15. Magic Leap tech hunt by hotdogee · · Score: 1

    I did some digging on the interwebs looking for the real tech behind Magic Leap, surprisingly, I found that they actually do have the key people who invented core pieces of technology, when put together results in a high resolution high frame rare light field display, in other words, digital holography movies where your eye or any camera can actually focus on the near and far objects in a display.

    Start by googling the keywords "scanning fiber technology", follow the trail of clues from there and you will quickly realize the tech they have is real and it works. I'll just list a few clues below:
    * Scanning Fiber Endoscope, Eric Seibel, Ph.D. 2013, https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
        But this is a camera not a display! Yes, the scanning fiber tech works both ways, you can put light sensors or light sources on the other end
    * Eric Seibel - Research Professor at University of Washington's Department of Bioengineering, http://www.me.washington.edu/r...
        Check out his selected publications on "New displays are a fiber scanned microdisplay and a true 3D display that mimics the natural conditions of depth perception by adding both accommodative cues as well as stereographic cues." first author is Schowengerdt, B.T. who now works for Magic Leap.
    * True 3D Displays, https://depts.washington.edu/h...
    * 3D Displays using Scanning Laser Projection. SID Symposium Digest of Technical Papers 2012, http://imgur.com/a/IRZK7
    * Ultra-High Resolution Scanning Fiber Display for HMDs, DoD Air Force grant, 2013, to Brian Schowengerdt, Magic Leap, https://www.sbir.gov/content/u...

  16. Modular smartphone by DrYak · · Score: 1

    but Project Ara always seemed like a cool but infeasible concept to me because it's completely impractical and incompatible with how smartphones are made and sold,

    Yet, Fairphone 2 smartphone are already on the market.

    Okay, they are not as modular as Project Ara.

    Project Ara wanted some kind of "universal bus for absolutely everything", and the end user able to plug whatever the fuck he wanted.(You want to plug 3 screens on your phone ? You're welcome !)

    Fariphone 2 is much more simplistic - the phone is made of a few module which are more or less documented and standised (meaning that they could make a later camera module with better specs, or a connector module with USB-C instead of micro USB, etc... as long as it used the same pogo pins), and leaves a standard connector for 3rd parties and hacker to abuse with USB and charging pogo pins.
    (A little bit more evolved but reminiscent of the Jolla concept of a modular "Other Half" back-cover and available I2C pins and RFID antena for the hacker to play with).

    But maybe that's why project Ara has folded, while Fairphone2 are on the display of a shop in my neighborhood.
    The former was over complex piece of technology that would require a huge leap in technology to solve a problem that not too many people on the market cared about.
    The latter was a baby step, just one level above the Fariphone1 (which was simply an end-user reparable smartphone). Surfing on the same repairable argument that was the success of the previous model, while incrementing over it (now because it's standardised module, the smartphone won't be fucked once the online shop runs out of replacement part - like screens for Fairphone1 - they could just produce another module as long as it follows the same spec)
    Okay you can't still randomly replace module, like throwing the camera module to put an extra battery in (different pinouts, unlike the "single bus to rule them all" of Ara) and if you really want an extra screen on the back of your only option is the USB pogopins.
    But it enabled Fairphone to make a real device that actually ships.

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