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Japanese City Tags Elderly Dementia Sufferers With Barcodes (japantimes.co.jp)

"The Japanese city of Iruma has introduced scannable adhesive barcodes to tag fingernails of senior citizens with dementia who are prone to getting lost as a way to help concerned families find missing loved ones," writes HughPickens.com, citing this article from Japan Times: The adhesive QR-coded seals for nails -- part of a free service launched last month and a first in the country -- measure just 1 cm (0.4 inches) in size. "Being able to attach the seals on nails is a great advantage," says a city worker. "There are already ID stickers for clothes or shoes but dementia patients are not always wearing those items." If an elderly person becomes disorientated, police will find the local city hall, its telephone number and the wearer's ID all embedded in the QR code. Japan is grappling with a rapidly aging population, with senior citizens expected to make up a whopping 40 percent of the population around 2060.
The article describes Japan as "a country where 4.8 million people aged 75 or older hold a license... Last month, police started offering discounts for noodles at local restaurants to elderly citizens who agreed to hand in their driving licenses."

115 comments

  1. Wut? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    >The adhesive QR-coded seals for nails
    Wut?

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    1. Re:Wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The adhesive QR-coded seals for nails
      Wut?

      ...says the person using an imaginary "werd", looking for "clar-u-tee"...

    2. Re:Wut? by ASDFnz · · Score: 3, Funny

      >The adhesive QR-coded seals for nails
      Wut?

      THE ADHESIVE QR-CODED SEALS FOR NAILS

    3. Re:Wut? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >The adhesive QR-coded seals for nails
      Wut?

      THE ADHESIVE QR-CODED SEALS FOR NAILS

      So the seals are in favor of nails, provided they are the seals that have been marked with a QR code? This is why we should never trust marine creatures.

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    4. Re:Wut? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Clearly it's another invention by the progressive Japanese fishing industry. They figured out how to attach by-cought seals to people's nails.

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    5. Re:Wut? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Are they not tasty enough to eat?

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  2. Bad side effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could take them for crime from scumbag criminals who have no respect for the elderly.

    1. Re:Bad side effect. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      If you need a QR code to identify a weak, vulnerable, old person you probably don't have enough low cunning to succeed as a petty criminal.

      The risk probably isn't entirely nonexistent; but the risks of getting confused, wandering off, and being hard to identify are likely to be rather more serious for the cognitively impaired elderly.

    2. Re:Bad side effect. by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Perhaps in America, but this is Japan we're talking about. Their criminal enterprise is mostly related to vice crimes (gambling, prostitution, etc.) and would probably find preying on the elderly to be shameful. Their cultural differences and very homogeneous population means that certain types of crimes are among the lowest in the world in Japan. At the same time it also leads to disproportionate amounts (relative to other first-world countries) of other types of crime like human trafficking.

    3. Re:Bad side effect. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      If you need a QR code to identify a weak, vulnerable, old person you probably don't have enough low cunning to succeed as a petty criminal.

      Perhaps, but there's also a lot better chance that they won't be able to identify an assailant. Or be able to testify against them in court mentally or legally (not that I know how this would work in Japan).

      The risk probably isn't entirely nonexistent; but the risks of getting confused, wandering off, and being hard to identify are likely to be rather more serious for the cognitively impaired elderly.

      Agreed.

    4. Re:Bad side effect. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Their criminal enterprise is mostly related to vice crimes (gambling, prostitution, etc.) and would probably find preying on the elderly to be shameful.

      Unless they're already dead, in which case it is totally acceptable.

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    5. Re:Bad side effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah, it would be more funny to round up a few then peal off the stickers and swap them around then when your granny gets picked up they send her across the country to a different family.

    6. Re:Bad side effect. by vivian · · Score: 1

      Luckily, Japan is a country where personal crime is very very low, people actually go out of their way to help strangers in need, and the elderly are generally respected - even if they aren't firing on all cylinders.

  3. Why barcodes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't facial recognition technology good enough or something?

    1. Re:Why barcodes? by Kerstyun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not when the all look the same.

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    2. Re:Why barcodes? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You mean pixelated? I'm not sure what it has to do with the elderly, though.

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  4. Won't be allowed in America by paiute · · Score: 2

    "And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand...."

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    1. Re:Won't be allowed in America by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand...."

      An obvious way to avoid this end-of-days prophecy would be to put these barcodes on the left hand.

    2. Re:Won't be allowed in America by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand...."

      An obvious way to avoid this end-of-days prophecy would be to put these barcodes on the left hand.

      Hasn't excluding everyone but dementia patients kinda blown that prophecy already?

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    3. Re:Won't be allowed in America by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Just go for the forehead. Harder to amputate for anonymity.

    4. Re:Won't be allowed in America by rworne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Somehow I'd knew it'd come to this.

      This type of article is exactly what you'd expect from The Drudge Report, and /. seems to be a bit late with the news (it was on Drudge last week).

      Quite simply:

      Japan does not have the same cultural baggage about this you'd find in the west. There's no huge population that had the whole Bible and "Mark of the Beast" drummed into their heads. There's no conspiracy theorists. No persecution of Jews - even though they were an ally of Nazi Germany.

      In WWII, for all the things the Japanese did during the war, they did not share the Nazi's attitude towards Jews. Chiune Sugihara saved many European Jews during the war by giving them visas allowing them to escape Europe via Siberia. The government and the military pretty much ignored the orders to round up and exterminate Jews coming from Germany, with the one exception of a ghetto being built in Shanghai. The Japanese did not run any extermination campaigns and pretty much left Jews in their sphere of influence alone during the war.

      Because of this, the marking of individuals does not carry the same knee-jerk gut reaction there as it would here, and people in Japan would liken it to how Americans see the commonplace medical alert bracelets.

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    5. Re:Won't be allowed in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      s/Jews/Chinese/g

    6. Re:Won't be allowed in America by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to live in a sane country.

    7. Re:Won't be allowed in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Japan didn't really have many Jews, so they didn't understand why Germany was trying to get rid of them. It would be like us trying to understand why Turkey was trying to eliminate Armenians. What the hell's wrong with Armenians? Who even gives a shit?

      When you're trying to spend all of your limited resources on a war effort, you have to have a really good reason to divert some of that effort to exterminating some random ethnic group. Seriously, if Germany hadn't hated Jews, they would have likely had the resources and personnel to win the war!

      dom

    8. Re:Won't be allowed in America by zioncat · · Score: 1

      Japan does not have the same cultural baggage about this you'd find in the west. There's no huge population that had the whole Bible and "Mark of the Beast" drummed into their heads. There's no conspiracy theorists. No persecution of Jews - even though they were an ally of Nazi Germany.

      Japan has conspiracy theorists as much as America has if not more. Here is a poll from 2014 asking Japanese whether there is a conspiracy of shadowy organization controlling the world in secret, and 60% answered yes. As for Japanese positive attitude toward Jews during WWII, that was a result of Jews bankrolling Japan during Russo-Japanese War. Jews hated Russia for anti-Jewish pogroms and helped Japan and in turn Japan helped Jews during WWII. Of course that was then, now there is a rampant conspiracy theory that Japan was tricked into fighting Russia by evil Jews. Nowadays Russo-Japanese war is usually held up as the proof of how Jews controls the world by first causing a war and then deciding its victor.

    9. Re:Won't be allowed in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan does not have the same cultural baggage about this you'd find in the west.

      So, now you just need to argue in some remotely rational way this is relevant to whether it being immoral/evil is true or not.

    10. Re:Won't be allowed in America by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      "And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand...."

      Simple fix: Put it on the left hand.

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    11. Re:Won't be allowed in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, if Germany hadn't hated Jews, they would have likely had the resources and personnel to win the war!

      Perhaps - of those 6 million, some could be soldiers and even more fit to work making ammo. Even more interesting, Stalin was so bad that many a soviet citizen saw the nazis as liberators. They could have taken advantage of that, and put the 'liberated' people in an anti-Stalin army. Instead, they made it clear that slavic people were scheduled for destruction almost like jews, and so got all sorts of problems with partisan resistance. At least Stalin might let you live - if you worshipped communism.

      Only when they were clearly failing, did they try recruiting some russians. They got some, but it was too late. They valued racism over power for too long. . .

    12. Re:Won't be allowed in America by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Already is, most just don't realize it.
      It's called a SmartPhone that folks can't ever seem to put down.

      Why force a mark on someone when they're willing to buy one ?

  5. why not biometrics? by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

    it's already there.. finger print / iris scan / DNA .. ask the old man to press his thumb impression and you can find who he is.

    1. Re:why not biometrics? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      Because this can be done with a smartphone, I'd guess? A QR-code-based system can be implemented with nothing but typical smartphone hardware everyone already has. Also, from what I gather, the system itself isn't new, and already types of QR wearables are available, like bracelets. I think it's just the "QR-codes on the nails" that's new.

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    2. Re:why not biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fingerprint readers aren't exactly unknown on smartphones.

    3. Re:why not biometrics? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Fingerprint readers aren't exactly unknown on smartphones.

      My understanding is that you can't use a smartphone as a general-purpose fingerprint reader, as the hardware and software are designed to be used exclusively for authentication.

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    4. Re:why not biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair point. But it does indicate that such technology (which is only limited this way for the security/privacy of end-users) is cheap enough that it could likely also be produced as non-consumer bluetooth versions that police could carry round with them as standard equipment. Kinda surprised they don't do so already, as it'd mean you didn't need to take someone down the station to ID them (or at least check their ID against a database of criminals, or a much more voluntary database of the mentally disabled). Then again, getting people registered to said voluntary database might be more of a hassle than simply sending them out a nail sticker.

    5. Re:why not biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The software is replaceable - Japan has competent programmers.
      Not that you need replacing - use a phone as-is. Everyone at the old folks home get registered as a 'user' of that phone, complete with a picture and all with the address of the home.

      So when you find a wandering demented person, just swipe a finger to see which retirement home they belong to. One phone won't need a database of all demented people either - just the ones within walking distance of that particular jurisdiction. Which is likely a manageable amount of people for the phone sw.

    6. Re:why not biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First AC here, I can confirm that iOS at least only allows you to register five fingerprints. This is mildly annoying as I wanted to register all ten of my fingers.

  6. Wouldn't it be easier to chip them by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't it be easier to chip them, like you do for cats, dogs & marmosets?

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    1. Re:Wouldn't it be easier to chip them by not+flu · · Score: 2

      How do you read the chip? All you need for a barcode is a phone and an app.

    2. Re:Wouldn't it be easier to chip them by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      A phone and an app?

      You comment suggests that either you have a phone that does not do NFC or you have a phone that does have NFC but the manufacture thinks the only use for NFC is for payments and won't let anyone else use the NFC feature of the phone but themselves.

    3. Re:Wouldn't it be easier to chip them by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes replace a system readable by everyone with a system readable by some.

      Do you have an app for you phone that reads NFC tags? Everyone in Japan has a barcode reader already.

  7. not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This needs to be paired with something on clothes like a yellow star or badge or such

    1. Re:not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop giving The Donald ideas.

    2. Re:not far enough by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Oh don't worry, with the likes of Bannon around, the very best ideas in ethnic purification willing explored.

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    3. Re:not far enough by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      This needs to be paired with something on clothes like a yellow star or badge or such

      Nowadays it'd be a yellow crescent.

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    4. Re:not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but Trump is the antichrist already so he better to get to work on those four horsemen.

    5. Re:not far enough by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Right, but Trump is the antichrist already so he better to get to work on those four horsemen.

      Every president since Carter has been the antichrist. Oops wait, he was apparently the antichrist too.

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    6. Re:not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read a better description, then you will understand that Trump is the literal son of Satan come to destroy America and the entire world.

    7. Re:not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Trump is only the antichrist while he is butt-fucking Putin.

    8. Re:not far enough by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      or, perhaps a few pieces of FLAIR??

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    9. Re:not far enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Trump is only the antichrist while he is butt-fucking Putin.

      Don't be ridiculous.

      Vlad is always top.

  8. --atation by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    Surely it should be "disoriented" or have I been misinformated? (From "orient" meaning the East, or to find the direction East).

    Spurious word endings do not beautificate your language and should be omissionated.

    1. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both disorient(ed) and disorientate(d) are correct.

    2. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, I'm sure glad you commentated or I'd never have known that.

    3. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both are perfectly cromulent words.

    4. Re:--atation by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but it really grinds my gears to hear someone continually saying "object-orientated."

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    5. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
              Thy micturations are to me,
              As plurdled gabbleblotchits,
              On a lurgid bee" - DA

    6. Re:--atation by Solandri · · Score: 1

      "Disorientated" is the British English form of the American English "disoriented." Kinda like they call it al-u-min-i-um vs our a-lu-min-um. I guess at some point Americans figured a lot of these extra syllables were superfluous and got rid of them.

    7. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder whether you lost the spoken or written syllables first? We pronounce to "extra" i in aluminium, and there is definitely a 'tate' in disorientate. But then again we also pronounce the 'l' in solder (first time I heard an American say solder I had to ask them to repeat themselves as I thought I had misheard), so maybe that's a clue.

    8. Re:--atation by alzoron · · Score: 0

      "Disorientation" is the actual medical terminology for a state of mental confusion as to time, place, or identity. "Disoriented" has a much more broad and generic usage.

      Next time take a half second to research shit before you make yourself look like an idiot trying to be "edgy."

    9. Re:--atation by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      They should be incentivisificationed to stop it.

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    10. Re: --atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They both have a more general meaning. Just breathe deeply and relax.

    11. Re:--atation by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's effectively the same word. In my tongue, which uses Latin loan words like most European languages, the former is the official verbal noun for the latter verb.

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    12. Re:--atation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should be incentivisificationed to stop it.

      thank you

  9. On the plus side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These barcodes made it easy for me to catch them in Pokemon Go. So far I've caught a 98 year old on a freeway, a man who'd wet himself, and a confused lady trying to buy catfood from a vending machine.

  10. A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    An adhesive bar code or QR-code on fingernails sound about as permanent as a Post It note on a cloth sleeve. A tattoo on a wrist or other visible place would be pretty permanent but the data base connected to the tattoo must be kept up to date. Another less permanent device might be an end sealed plastic wrist band containing appropriate information including perhaps a readable chip or QR-code. Maybe even an identity chip placed under the skin like those for wayward pets.

    There's still the problem of dementia patients wandering away from their residence. This seems to happen fairly frequently and sometimes with tragic results. Some kind of tracking of such folks would also be nice. These are often used in the residential settings of such people, but don't work when the the patient walks away.

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    1. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A tattoo on a wrist or other visible place would be pretty permanent but the data base connected to the tattoo must be kept up to date.

      I hear IBM has experience with that.

    2. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Tragic results? If you're that far gone and could do it over, you'd probably pull the trigger or jump in front of a subway or overdose on whatever you can get your hands on before then.

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    3. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that is why there are children to take care of their parents.

    4. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      An adhesive bar code or QR-code on fingernails sound about as permanent as a Post It note on a cloth sleeve.

      They aren't permanent, but they can sit on the fingernail for a fair time. Many people wear artificial fingernails that glue on and last a good while.

      There's still the problem of dementia patients wandering away from their residence. This seems to happen fairly frequently and sometimes with tragic results. Some kind of tracking of such folks would also be nice. These are often used in the residential settings of such people, but don't work when the the patient walks away.

      That's part of what this system does. And yes, there's always people wandering off around here.

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    5. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      A tattoo on a wrist or other visible place would be pretty permanent but the data base connected to the tattoo must be kept up to date.

      I hear IBM has experience with that.

      Ohhhhh, Burn!

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    6. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Their "parents" are no longer there. The person they were is gone. That's one reason it's important to let everyone know that in the event of something that causes you to not recognize people, not know what you're doing, etc, that they authorize the withdrawal of all support, including hydration and food, and only allow pain medication. It's euthanasia by the back door, and perfectly legal, because it is the patients' wishes that must be respected. Treating a patient who has refused care is assault.

      That's what a DNR is also for. It's not right to burden your kids with this sort of shit - and you wouldn't consider keeping a useless body and a minimally functioning brain alive unless you're a coward who fears death more than they love their family, in which case you're a selfish asshole.

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    7. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      In actual practice. They are often there, but only for a random hour or two, now and then. Which is much worse than the scenario you present.

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    8. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhh, Burn!

      Please keep Samsung out of this.

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    9. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Please keep Samsung out of this.

      It's exhausting trying to keep it all straight.

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    10. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I can't imagine making someone care for me for a decade as I can't even clean or feed myself. One of the many reasons I own guns is that when the time comes I'll punch my own ticket.

    11. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      All the more reason to have the discussion about euthanasia and advanced medical directives for the withdrawal of all treatment (including feeding tubes, etc) except pain killers where euthanasia isn't yet available.

      Be careful - it's not illegal to commit suicide (kind of hard to punish someone who succeeds) - but it is still illegal to counsel someone to commit suicide. As long as you are not urging them to do so, just describing scenarios as to the mechanics without giving encouragement as to them actually killing themselves, you probably aren't counseling them to commit suicide. But you can never be sure, so best do it in private, long before they feel it is necessary.

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    12. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Unless the old folks were morons, you shouldn't have to say a word. It's pretty presumptive.

      If you are wise you will have a trusted non-family member that you have put in charge of such arrangements. It's too much to put on a kid, put it on a younger friend (with their shit together, who is not it the will in any way).

      Unless you want your heirs to spend the rest of their lives fighting, trustees should also not be heirs or related to heirs. If you want to give the trustee something/pay them, do it while you're healthy. If you have a lawyer, that's an obvious choice, especially if you have something. Trusts to hide the assets from tax vultures etc.

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    13. Re:A permanent solution might be a tattoo by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      We're talking here about arranging to die when your quality of life is too low. The law requires that if you refuse treatment, your wishes be obeyed even over immediate family. Carrying around a signed and witnessed Do Not Resuscitate order on your person is one way to assure your wishes are met without putting any decision-making stress on the family.

      Here we have universal health care, so you can include such advanced medical directives with the database attached to your health card number, so anyone accessing your health records will see that you have refused treatment in advance, and is required by law to withdraw treatment, with the exceptions you indicate. Usually, you order that when you are no longer capable of recognizing people, or that treatment is futile, or that you are terminally ill, have serious brain damage, advanced dementia, Alzheimer's, or in a coma with a larger likelihood of dying than of living, all treatment, including nutrition and hydration, be suspended. You can also demand that pain killers be administered even if they are likely to hasten your death.

      It's one way to achieve euthanasia even in places that prohibit it.

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  11. The Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do the Jews have to say about this??

    1. Re:The Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do the Jews have to say about this??

      Good idea. Give them a gold star for that.

  12. The Jews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laughing all the way to the bank. We control the banking industry, after all.

  13. This is a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump says this problem is huuuuuuuge!!!

  14. How noble by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Last month, police started offering discounts for noodles at local restaurants to elderly citizens who agreed to hand in their driving licenses."

    Yeah, they're banking on most of the elderly forgetting about the discount...

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    1. Re:How noble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unlike the west, Japanese culture dictates they treat their elderly with respect and generally they do. I would think this offer is genuine, you are just too used to the way western governments look to screw everyone all the time.

  15. Old innovation by Trachman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many of the early commentators are missing the point.

    Barcode is the direct allusion to Nazi Germany innovation of using permanent tattooed numbers to account their inmates. By the way, they have used IBM computers, leading novel technology, to keep track of inmates.

    At the same time Soviets did not use codes on the bodies of their prisoners in GULAG, because they had way more prisoners and all their efforts were directed toward building weapons for WW2, not dealing with computers.

    Fun stuff. Who could have thought that the nazi ideas will be implemented, treated as novel and applied towards humans. The difference between permanent tatoo and a small finger nail sticker with strong adhesive is really tiny.

    1. Re: Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun stuff. Who could have thought that the nazi ideas will be implemented, treated as novel and applied towards humans. The difference between permanent tatoo and a small finger nail sticker with strong adhesive is really tiny.

      Yeah, if they put on a plastic card we carry in our wallets, it'll be much better, and I always get treated with respect and consideration at the DMV.

    2. Re:Old innovation by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Caring for old people with dementia is rather different than tracking minorities and gays for eventual elimination.

    3. Re:Old innovation by zm · · Score: 1

      If my dog gets lost without his collar and tags, he can't tell anyone who he is, so the vet put an identification chip under his skin. Would you consider that a better solution for elderly demented people than a non-permanent tattoo? Or something else, perhaps?

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      Sig ?
    4. Re:Old innovation by Trachman · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes.... we always find a way to index people to various criteria, so that we could consider them vulnerable and protect them.

      It is a historical fact: Nazi's did use this particular rationalization of putting people to the camps (and numbering) for their own protection. Go read the stories about concentration camps. I did my fair share of reading...

    5. Re:Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, Nazis assigned people ID numbers. Nazis used trains to send people to the camps - that doesn't mean trains are a Nazi thing.

      Please stop posting.

    6. Re:Old innovation by Trachman · · Score: 0

      I think you are missing the point. Are you holocaust denier or something?

      Holocaust victims and survivors were tattooed! No other nation did use permanent tattoos for the prisoners. US did not tattooed their Japanese interned citizens or German war prisoners. Soviets, UK even Japanese did not do the permanent marking.

      Posting here is to bring various aspects and viewpoints, that are not necessarily in line with yours. Stop denying historic facts.

    7. Re:Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is that you are following a logical fallacy. Nazis are evil, sure. That doesn't mean everything Nazis did is evil. I'm sure you've heard of Godwin's law.

      Anyway, assigning people an ID number is pretty basic. It didn't start with Nazis, nor is this a Nazi thing. My california ID has a unique number attached to me, that doesn't mean Nazis.

      Looking at your post history, I see you quote White-supremacist websites that Jews are responsible for racism against Jews, so I'm not sure where you're going with Holocaust denier accusations.

      Please stop posting.

    8. Re:Old innovation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Many of the early commentators are missing the point.

      Barcode is the direct allusion to Nazi Germany innovation of using permanent tattooed numbers to account their inmates. By the way, they have used IBM computers, leading novel technology, to keep track of inmates.

      Yeah - so what? We have people today that claim that social security numbers are the biblical Mark of the Beast" http://themarkofthebeast.com/4...

      I wonder if there is the smallest possibility of a difference between what the Nasties did, and IBM's collusion with them, and a temporary barcode that is helpful for finding people with dementia after they wander off? Sort of like the difference between getting a person back into safety and comfort, and gassing them removing their valuables, and tossing them in an oven. to roast.

      Seriously, if this is all a part of some hideous plan, be it Satan getting ready to unleash hell upon the earth, or a new rise of Fascism, a glue on fingernail to get oldsters back home is pretty far down the list.

      Ya old Poester, you.

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    9. Re:Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know what else the Nazis did? They built roads! And cheap cars!

      Clearly, roads and cheap cars are Nazi.

      I hear some of them even ate food. We should investigate, and if that turns out to be true we should ban that abhorrent practice too.

    10. Re:Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you spent much time around people with mental impairments like dementia? Most of them don't notice minor observational differences like having a sticker on a fingernail. And because the mark is small, most of the public who might see someone with the sticker won't notice it unless they look closely (as someone might do if they were trying to help someone who looks lost and confused). This will save time and lives while reducing burden to caregivers. Having worked in hospitals and nursing homes, I'm all for it.

    11. Re:Old innovation by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      To wit! the Beetle, arguably the most iconic car of all times is a Nazi invention.
      They did many things that are absolutely horrible, and I even will concede the slippery slope of using good data that was "badly" gathered (I really don't know a harsh enough word to go in that space, so badly it is)...

      But there are some things they did, some ideas they had, that can be made to do good for people. Use it.

      Tagging the vulnerable that cannot help themselves in case they get lost or wander is a wonderful application of the idea of "marking people to make them easier to identify". I would argue that this would extend nicely to children too young to remember their address or parents' phone numbers.
      -nB

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    12. Re:Old innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I hear is "I don't think dementia patients should be given help because Hitler".

  16. 40% of population elderly? by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

    Dude, Japan is turning into a real live Children of Men.
    With near zero immigration, and below replacement rate both rate, they are doomed.
    Japan is going to have t have some serious cultural changes within the next 10-15 years, or the new lace will be a ghost town.

    1. Re:40% of population elderly? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Japan is going to have t have some serious cultural changes within the next 10-15 years, or the new lace will be a ghost town.

      Japan tried to transition to Western courtship rituals, but didn't remove the cultural impediments, like the severe social emberassment Japanese men suffer when they're denied after approaching a woman. Since it doesn't look like they're going to be able to shed that, they're going to have to go back to what worked for them: arranged marriages. We'll see if they figure it out in time.

    2. Re:40% of population elderly? by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      I think it has more to do with people being too tired for sex and being unable to raise children due to being extremely poor and working multiple jobs for even the barest subsistence living.

    3. Re:40% of population elderly? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Protip: Wake up early and put your priorities into action.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:40% of population elderly? by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      "Last year, the Japanese government recorded relative poverty rates of 16%—defined as the share of the population living on less than half the national median income. ... ¥2m ($16,700)"

      "Since Mr Abe took office in late 2012, the number of irregular workers—often earning less than half the pay of their full-time counterparts with permanent employment contracts—has jumped by over 1.5m. Casual and part-time employees number nearly 20m, almost 40% of the Japanese workforce."

    5. Re:40% of population elderly? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They should all get busy first thing and leave their employers to deal with their exhaustion. 'Sorry boss, too tired. Fucked the wife three times this morning. Got up at 2am to get started.'

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    6. Re:40% of population elderly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Third World countries seem to do this just fine.

    7. Re:40% of population elderly? by fredgiblet · · Score: 0

      People in third world countries have nothing to do with their spare time but fuck.

  17. The Nazis Had Pieces of Flair They Made the Jews W by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Nazis Had Pieces of Flair They Made the Jews Wear did some one think back to the WW2 days?

  18. its time by Smiddi · · Score: 1

    It has begun

  19. no it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It hasn't

  20. #whatcouldpossiblygowrong #axisofevil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think those cover everything to be said in 160 characters or less :)

  21. Compulsory barcoding isn't the American Way by golodh · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Damn right ! Compulsory tagging of demented old biddies is something they could only think if in Japan.

    In the US we'd never do anything like that. We're Christians ! We have Morals !

    Instead people will be told that, to better serve them and to keep medical costs down, all medicare recipients will be offered a chance to enroll in a programme that offers them expedited ambulance transport in case of accidents (they're easier to locate), emergency treatment in hospitals (because their medical data can be found more easily) plus waiver of the upcoming 1000$ a month service surcharge ... provided they consent to have an RFID chip implanted with their SSN.

    Those who elect not to participate in the programme will not be eligible for expedited ambulance transport, will experience a light delay upon admission until their medical data has been found and their insurance status clarified, and will be asked to pay the service surcharge.

    Net participation in the chipping program will therefore be 99%, of which 100% will be voluntary, you see?

    That's how you do things !

  22. 'seal' is the Japanese word for 'sticker' by darkitecture · · Score: 3, Informative

    "seal" is the Japanese word for "sticker" - it is a foreign loan word from English - it comes from the seal (sticker) that is usually found on an item you purchase. If you buy an item that comes in a box, it usually has a round adhesive sticker or similar that 'seals' the box, showing you it hasn't been opened before.

  23. Dementia at 29 years old by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    People should put labels in the clothing of people suffering from dementia. People think of dementia as being an old people's problem but dementia can affect people at any age from 20 years old to 100 years old.

    Most dementia cases are considered a terminal illness people do not just forget where they live and who they are they forget how to control their body they forget how to walk how to eat an amazingly they forget how to control their breathing.

    In the early stages they get very frustrated and cry a lot about losing their mind.

    The majority of them will end up bedridden unable to walk unable to speak. They will end up wearing a catheter, and will have to have their arse cleaned to remove the body waste.

    They will then enter the danger zone that is when the person who loves them their family suddenly begins getting frustrated and annoyed by their demented love one. they will shout at them shake them and often smack them out of frustration. That is when they usually send them to what is called respite. Respite is when they put them in a nursing home temporary to give them a rest from the patient.

    In the nursing home the underpaid carers will treat them like a piece of meat they will resent having to clean them up and feed them day in day out. Usually if they go in a nursing home permanently it speeds up their death.

    Depending on the level of the dementia some people can live with it with help from others. The misinformation you get about dementia from people who should know better is amazing. You do not have to be old to get dementia. Dementia and strokes are two different things and are not related.

    The last dementia patient I come in contact with was a 40-year-old who was on a terminal ward, what the doctors and nurses call "end of lifes".

    If you are lucky and you have money you can go to sheltered accommodation which has a warden. They will play them music in the morning's. It was found that elderly people and dementia people keep their faculties for longer when entertained by music and put in sheltered accommodation near busy streets.
    people who cope best are people who have an animal like a dog to care for it has a positive affect on them an amazing effect sometimes.

    Television is considered the plague for wondering dementia patients. We had a woman trying to escape because of a murder that happened in her room!
    She was hysterical and escape because of a man called Columbo, told her that a person had been killed in her room. Columbo is an American television series starring Peter Falk as Columbo, a homicide detective with the Los Angeles Police Department. She managed to escape on three different occasions through the fire exit.

    On each occasion she was fetch back by the police because she had a identity tag sewn in to the back of her dressing gown.
    Ironically we got news from the U.S. about this Peter Falk, saying he had "Alzheimer's disease".

    The 40-year-old patient died in the middle of the night his body stopped functioning. The woman who liked Columbo, was banned from watching television.

  24. Meanwhile in Germany... by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

    Someone finally turned up to pick up all of the Auschwitz IT junk. "Repurpose for the elderly" they said.

  25. Hmmmm.... by uohcicds · · Score: 1

    While this is in principle a nice idea, it also opens up rather nastier possibilities as data capture for identity theft. Who better for a potential attacker to skim data from that someone who may not know or understand they might be compromised?

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  26. Just a new development by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    This isn't new. We've put tags on our people for decades, I remember it back in the 1970s. Sometimes even a dog tag. One family I remember had a dog collar around his neck with a dog tag. They said this made it very obvious what was going on.

    These people are a handful. If they can get out, they're off for the races! Happened to my father in law. We had to put locks on the door. When they are at this point, it usually isn't long.

    Just a welcome technology update. Scan the fingernail, poof. Here's where the guy lives. Let's take him back.