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Disney IT Workers, In Lawsuit, Claim Discrimination Against Americans (computerworld.com)
dcblogs quotes a report from Computerworld: After Disney IT workers were told in October 2014 of the plan to use offshore outsourcing firms, employees said the workplace changed. The number of South Asian workers in Disney technology buildings increased, and some workers had to train H-1B-visa-holding replacements. Approximately 250 IT workers were laid off in January 2015. Now 30 of these employees filed a lawsuit on Monday in U.S. District Court in Orlando, alleging discrimination on the basis of national origin and race. The Disney IT employees, said Sara Blackwell, a Florida labor attorney who is representing this group, "lost their jobs when their jobs were outsourced to contracting companies. And those companies brought in mostly, or virtually all, non-American national origin workers," she said. The lawsuit alleges that Disney terminated the employment of the plaintiffs "based solely on their national origin and race, replacing them with Indian nationals." The people who were laid off were multiple races, but the people who came in were mostly one race, said Blackwell. The lawsuit alleges that Disney terminated the employment of the plaintiffs "based solely on their national origin and race, replacing them with Indian nationals."
They didn't terminate them "based solely on their national origin and race"
They terminated them based on the fact they can pay Indian workers a fraction of the salary.
Once you get a couple of Indian folks into management positions they just tend to recruit other Indian people and gradually remove whites.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said.
Also, there is no such thing as someone being "bias". The word is "biased" (something you are) rather than "bias" (something you have).
But the one good thing about Reddit & 4chan neologisms and bad usage is that it makes it easier to know whom to ignore.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The flaw here is the H1B program needs to be completely eliminated for consulting/services companies (among other things, but this is the topic du jour). If you are a consulting/services company, you should be required to use only US employees in the US. The consulting company outsourcing is a circumvention technique for companies like Disney, who could never have gotten away with replacing all their IT people with H1B employees, but by "outsourcing" to a consulting company, they can legally lay off all of their employees and then benefit from the lower cost from the consulting company hiring a bunch of H1B slave labor. Same net effect, same savings to Disney, but totally legal currently.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
H1-B visas are for positions they couldn't fill without bringing foreign talent. Laying people off to fill the positions with H1-B is illegal.
The premise for the suit is quite creative. And absurd. Its only chance is finding a sympathetic (read: nationalistic) jury. I guess it's worth a shot considering all the protectionist rhetoric that was thrown around during this election cycle.
I do feel bad for these workers. The H-1B loopholes that allow bodyshops like Tata to bring in cheaper, ,more compliant workers need be changed. I doubt anything will happen though -- Trump certainly isn't going to do anything that will upset his friends in business. He's basically signaled to every executive out there that concessions are available for the right price and he's willing to cut deals with the Carrier incident.
I don't have a problem with the H-1B program itself - but the fact that it's used to replace older, more senior workers doing routine IT work that doesn't require exceptional skills is the problem. I'm doing systems integration work, and the development teams I'm working with are all slowly being replaced with offshore Indian guys and body shop employees. I'm good for now because someone has to make heads or tails of the messes they want to get working, but I feel that unless something is done there will be no work for experienced people, and no pipeline of newbies to fill entry level positions. If people see they can't get anywhere in IT because there's no entry level work anymore, they're going to study something else.
I see a post or two saying the people filing these lawsuits have no talent...somehow I doubt this. IT is famous for throwing out workers who are 40+ and who demand above a certain salary for their experience. So far, the only hope I've seen in this situation is that there are constantly companies in this loop of offshoring, then bringing IT back in house when it starts going pear-shaped, then repeating. Not all these companies are on the same schedule. What I'll bet happened is that there was a bunch of staff who became very senior developers or sysadmins of a key system, and spent their time working to maintain their small little pigeon-hole of knowledge...this happens a lot in big companies. CIO comes in, gets sold on the idea of offshoring, and just goes through the department salary spreadsheet, killing off the top x% of the list. Offshore body shop gets the contract, and has to reduce costs, so they bring in the H-1Bs to learn the job, then teach it to the 1000s of people they have in India. Believe me, I've seen it multiple times, including the "this sucks, let's reshore everything" part.
Simple. Short term profits over long term sustainability. In the short term, expenses go down, profit goes up. By the time the shit has hit the fan, the people making the decisions have cashed out and moved on. They couldn't care less about what happens at that point.
And it tends to be what a lot of the shareholders want, too, for pretty much the same reason.
First, Trump is a racist. Many of his cabinet people are racists, a large portion of his voter base are racists, a large portion of Americans are racists, even unintentionally so(some are really nice about it too). These are facts.
He didn't help Carrier at all actually, but he did ensure that the people in the state paid significantly more to the company than the jobs were worth. They literally could have just given the money directly to the former workers and saved money while giving a pay bump to the workers while on unemployment. Do the math. The Carrier deal will only increase taxes. Almost all of the jobs "saved" were scheduled to be kept there anyways.
All that said, this is a perfect example of a place where Trump could actually help. He says he wants to drain the swamp? He says he wants to help workers? Here's a perfect example where his protectionism and promises to the middle class would overlap. I'm curious to see if he is willing to keep a single campaign promise. So far his record has been to do the opposite of what he said he was going to do.
What is it that ensnares the bean counters to prefer this situation over hiring qualified local candidates? I honestly don't get it. Why is it "better" to pay some unqualified person a low wage, tack on a substantial fee paid to the body shop, and then have everyone suffer through the extended delivery times, angst, etc. It can't be cheaper to do it this way, and if it is, it could not possibly be enough of a savings to merit delaying the delivery of what the business needs in a timely manner. Or can it?
One year when I worked at a bank the CTO published our annual goals, and one of the two goals was to achieve an average development rate less than $30 per hour. Everyone in the room knew what that meant ... or we thought we did. There was no one there making less than $30/hr at the time, so we expected we were all going to be replaced by low-price contractors, or the work would simply be outsourced.
But our department head was smarter than that. He engaged an offshore team of 20 people. We had 10 onshore. We never sent them any work that mattered, and a significant portion of our project manager's job wen to "keeping them busy" with things that would show up on a status report, but that didn't affect our actual work product.
The average development rate went down even thought the total spend went up, and we kept delivering what we always had.
You tell me the metric, I'll tell you the easiest way to game it.
Nope, no sig
First, Trump is a racist. Many of his cabinet people are racists, a large portion of his voter base are racists, a large portion of Americans are racists, even unintentionally so(some are really nice about it too). These are facts.
Fact: Humanity is wired to be tribal and you don't understand the difference between racism and tribalism. The 95% of blacks who voted for Obama didn't do it because they think whites are inferior they did it because Obama looks like them.
He didn't help Carrier at all actually, but he did ensure that the people in the state paid significantly more to the company than the jobs were worth. They literally could have just given the money directly to the former workers and saved money while giving a pay bump to the workers while on unemployment. Do the math. The Carrier deal will only increase taxes. Almost all of the jobs "saved" were scheduled to be kept there anyways.
Obviously can't be bothered to grep basic "facts". A little more than half Jobs at the Carrier plant actually going to Mexico are now staying due to Trump/Pence deal. The PR numbers were bullshit because they included work that was not moving. Once you discount the bullshit you are still left with ~60% of the people who were losing their jobs at Carrier no longer losing their jobs.