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Wikipedia Exceeds Fundraising Target, But Continues Asking For More Money (theregister.co.uk)

Reader Andreas Kolbe writes: The fundraising banners on Wikipedia this year are so effective that halfway through its December fundraising campaign, the Wikimedia Foundation has already exceeded its $25 million donations target for the entire month, reports The Register. A few weeks ago, Jimmy Wales promised that the Wikimedia Foundation would "stop the fundraiser if enough money were raised in shorter than the planned time". But there's no sign of the Foundation doing that. When asked about this more recently, a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson remained non-committal on ending the campaign early. The most recent audited accounts of the Wikimedia Foundation showed net assets of $92 million and revenue of $82 million. None of this money, incidentally, pays for writing or checking Wikipedia content – that's the job of unpaid volunteers – and only $2 million are spent on internet hosting every year.

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  1. [donation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

  2. Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It isn't as if the people who create anything of value, i.e. the article writers, are paid. Can't Jimmy Wales pay for his own three martini lunches?

    1. Re:Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by Calydor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably because people are afraid of Wikipedia going away and they don't check their accounting first.

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    2. Re:Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. Everyone knows that there is no such thing as free content on the internet. Wikimedia needs to stop with this charade, add advertisements, and block people using ad-blockers like any other respectable site. That is the only way that so-called "free" websites can exist on the internet.

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    3. Re: Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by joao.cordeiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If we are to agree that wikipedia is usefull then we can ask our selfs why?
      1 - its free
      2 - works well
      3 - info there has quality
      4 - its huge

      Do you realy think you can have a software that handles the bilions on views, edits, comments, in less then a sec, and never trows a error at you, just with good will and servers?
      No!!!
      You need a team of administradors, looking at logs of errors debuging the system, applying security patches, blocking hackers.
      You need a team of developers fixing bugs, upgrading libs, patching security holes, adding features.
      You need dev hardware and test hardware and a office for that team.
      Then there are all those lawsuits, you need a team to deal with all the law crap trown at them.
      And when all that is paid, you start thinking about next year, when ppl dont donate that much.

      It works realy well and provides a great service, why the F are you complaing about!!!!

    4. Re: Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by Andreas+Kolbe · · Score: 5, Informative

      About ten years ago, Jimmy Wales said about Wikipedia (time code 4:35):

      “So, we’re doing around 1.4 billion page views monthly. So, it’s really gotten to be a huge thing. And everything is managed by the volunteers and the total monthly cost for our bandwidth is about 5,000 dollars, and that’s essentially our main cost. We could actually do without the employee ... We actually hired Brion [Vibber] because he was working part-time for two years and full-time at Wikipedia so we actually hired him so he could get a life and go to the movies sometimes.”

      In 2008, when Wikipedia was already the world's number 8 website, the Wikimedia Foundation survived on $5 million (vs. $82 million last year). So, yes, you can have a top-ten website – written entirely by unpaid volunteers – for a fraction of the current cost.

    5. Re:Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by careysub · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry but your comment is dangerously ignorant. Your comment undermines their fundraising drive yet is reprehensibly ignorant of the scale of expenses that the Wikimedia Foundation has. You act as if all that money is irrelevant which totally ignores *EVERYTHING* about what needs to be done to provide readers what the volunteer editors have written and created.

      This points to the key problem with WIkimedia.

      If you look at the Charity Watch score for Wikipedia you see that is pretty high, indicating a well run charity. This seems odd given that there is actually very little public information about the actual uses to which the money is put (no, spending by broad accounting category - "engineering", "advertising", etc. does not provide this).

      Examining the matter more closely it appears that Jimmy Wales has broken new ground in "charity engineering", operating a charity in such a way that the various scoring factors for a well-run charity are met, without actually providing any real transparency.

      For most charities, that exist to provide services to specific classes of people say, you can tell if they are well-run by the fraction of money actually being spent on those people. Take as an example "Doctors Without Borders". It exists to put medical teams in war-torn and otherwise troubled areas who have none. You can assess its effectiveness by counting its teams and staffers, and the money that goes directly to supporting them.

      If the purpose of Wikimedia is to support Wikipedia (that's their pitch on every page view) then they are an abysmally run charity. The total cost of supporting Wikipedia is about $8 million it seems - a fairly generous estimate really, with hosting costing only $2 million of this. They do not provide any convenient break-out of this, BTW, they hide the actual figure (but enough data, historical and otherwise, is available to make a good estimate), only the hosting figure is actually provided. The Wikipedia support cost disappeared from view when the aggressive, highly profitable fund-raising started. Thus of the ~$100 million they are collecting this year, only 8% goes to the supporting the mission they use to promote the fund-raising. Perhaps another 10% is going into the newly created endowment (we will have to see reporting for this year), but they are not being transparent about this thus far. By normal standards this would put them in the tank as a scam charity.

      But they do have pages and pages about expansive vague goals, from which it is impossible assess how effective they are being, or where most of the money they spend is really going and which is being used for covering literally unlimited fundraising. Sure they are paying a lot of staff high salaries. But why? The exploding staff and grants are unconnected with non-existent exploding Wikipedia costs, or usage, or quality.

      Actually in a sense the transparency that does exist, getting them high charity ratings, provides us with key data to see that they are (mostly) running a scam. You see we know their over-all balance sheet and can see that it has currently (making adjustments for unreported recent months) $100 million or so in unspent money, free and clear, and are piling it up at a rate of at least $30 million a year. This is enough money right now to fully fund that endowment.

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  3. Would be great if they hired professional editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A professional admin team would largely eliminate many of the problems Wikipedia has with its various cabals.

  4. The reason they keep raising money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is to have a buffer, and not live "paycheck to paycheck" so to speak. I don't understand why people find it so hard to understand.

    1. Re:The reason they keep raising money by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well if the summary is to be believed, they have 45x their yearly costs. That's a bit more than protection from swings in donations.

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    2. Re:The reason they keep raising money by spikenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is this the math you used? $92M (net assets) / $2M (internet hosting) = 46x, then round down to 45x. I think "net assets" includes things that are not easily spent, like servers, and is not the same as "cash savings". I also suspect that "internet hosting" is not equal to "operating costs". Therefore, I really have no idea how far off your figure may be. (Not your fault--the summary lacks the details necessary to support its claims.)

    3. Re:The reason they keep raising money by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      The last time I looked they had something like a decades worth of "buffer" on hand - yet, each year they breathlessly push the donation campaign as if the lights were going to go out if you didn't donate promptly. This year, as per usual, even though they've met their target - the breathless "donate or Wikipedia dies" continues apace.

      That is what people are having a problem with - not with them raising money, but with their misleading tactics.

    4. Re: The reason they keep raising money by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Revenue isn't a useful measure on its own. They spend $2M on hosting and $82M on something else--possibly on replacing aging assets like servers in a colocated hosting strategy. What you want is net profits and expenses in total.

    5. Re:The reason they keep raising money by Steve+Hamlin · · Score: 5, Informative

      $78.5 million of the $92 million of net assets are cash and short-term financial investments.

      2016 Donations & Revenue (gross inflows)
      $ 82 million

      2016 Expenses (selected):

      $ 32 million - Salaries
      $ 11 million - Awards & Grants
      $ 6 million - Professional Services
      $ 4.8 million - Other Operating Expenses
      $ 3.6 million - Donation Processing Expenses
      $ 2.6 million - Travel, Conferences & Special Events
      $ 2.0 million - Internet Hosting

      2016 "Net Income" (increase in unrestricted net assets)
      $ 15 million

      See for yourself: https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

    6. Re:The reason they keep raising money by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      $32M in SALARIES? to who?

      It's the Jimmy Wales Junket Fund. Compare the cost structure for an Adam Sandler movie - quite similar.

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    7. Re:The reason they keep raising money by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting

      $32M in SALARIES? to who?

      Last time I heard, Wikipedia had about 200 employees (over 100 technical positions), and that figure may or may not have included people working for the wikimedia foundation. If not, that averages to about $160k each.

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  5. The Register... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So the internet's cesspit of ill researched unfounded disinformation is pissed that one of the most successful projects of the last decade in advancing human knowledge has a healthy monetary buffer?

    I sense jealousy.

    But fair play to The Register, I frankly thought it was dead already, they've done well to keep such a useless publication going even this long.

  6. Misleading by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hosting is not Wikipedia's largest expense. Salaries are. They spent $32 million on salaries. Total expenses were $67 million.

    Even considering all of the expenses, their net income was positive $16 million last year.

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    1. Re:Misleading by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Salaries doing what? Engineers sure, but where is the rest of that going.

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    2. Re: Misleading by Luthair · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hiring fundraisers... IIRC the person in charge was making 300-400k

    3. Re:Misleading by jmv · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A site like Wikipedia will also need a bunch of lawyers to fight all sorts of trolls, from copyright trolls, to people who don't like what articles say about them.

    4. Re:Misleading by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 2

      32 million dollars, assuming ~100k average salary, is 320 employees. Wikipedia is the 6th busiest website on the internet.

      Do you think that level of technology runs itself?

    5. Re:Misleading by ckatko · · Score: 5, Informative

      People commenting are just guessing.

      They used to have ONE or two full-time engineers running the entire site till like... 2008 or so. Then they started hiring TONS of people running the "Foundation" including marketing, events, charity shit, "diversity consultant" hires. Basically, an army of losers who don't do anything productive and spend their time justifying their existence and partying.

      Basically, Wikipedia has become the US college system. A few productive teachers, surrounded by an army of "administrators" and their assistants... and their assistants... and their assistants.

      Hell, check out one of their own projections. Only 35% is engineering. That's pretty much the opposite of "lean" for a company that PRODUCES NO CONTENT.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

      But don't take my word for it. Check the glass door:

      https://www.glassdoor.com/Revi...

      >This is an organization in crisis. It is highly dysfunctional, there is a strong culture of secrecy, which is surprising for an organization working in open knowledge. Teams are siloed and isolated, C-levels disagree on direction, ED has lost the support needed to do her job, BoT is in a freeze and too weak to drive change. It is a toxic and depressing place to work.

      >Bureaucracy and secrecy creeps in unless regularly checked. Our Board sometimes wants us to be a venture-style tech company rather than a knowledge-empowerment nonprofit. Community consultation adds a layer of complexity to every new venture (but its worth it!).

      >PHP. Low pay. Fear of changes. Top management has almost completely flipped since Lila took over in 2015. (including bosses who have come and gone since then) It's really tough to get work done when your boss keeps changing.

      >Many mid-level managers are inexperienced and have trouble supporting their employees. Overall lack of strategy and lack of will to make positive change. The communication can be disrespectful. The foundation values diversity but fails to make it one of their own priorities.

      >Politics! Politics! Politics! Performance review process outdated.

      >Tolerance of non performers, Hostile behaviors by some staff threaten continued diversity/innovation.

    6. Re:Misleading by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the most part yes. The WMF stack isn't all that complex.

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    7. Re:Misleading by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 2

      The WMF stack is one tiny piece of the equation.

      Think about the servers, storage, network, and physical plant infrastructure required to manage a site of this size. The people managing them need workstations and email; that requires corporate IT. Someone has to buy that stuff, requiring purchasing staff. Those people want to get paid, so accounting and human resources teams. There are also legal, public relations, and fundraising teams too.

      If Wikipedia was a for-profit company they'd have a valuation in the billions. If they manage to do it for 95 million it's a bargain.

  7. I am not going to complain by supernova87a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the amount of good that this foundation does for the public, making information and truth more accessible, and policing the content in an open and rigorous way, I say let them collect as much donations as people willingly donate. It's hard enough to get people to donate -- who would refuse if the donations kept coming in.

    Sure, be transparent and honest about when you've exceeded the goal for the month (or set the goal higher), but frankly, I don't understand why you would criticize when one of the most valuable services on the internet today attempts to build more of a financial cushion for itself (and not through lying or deception or serving up users / others' content for cash, how refreshing).

    Learn to understand who are your friends and who are your enemies in this world, people.

    1. Re:I am not going to complain by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Money is like manure, you have to spread it around to do any good.

      What a strange expression. Money is like manure, you need to pile it all up in a big heap and leave it there for about a year, turning it occasionally with a pitchfork before you can add it to your soil. Add about 1-2 inches of this aged money and work it into the soil to increase yields.

      If you add fresh money, generally referred to as "hot money" you can burn the roots of your plants because it contains too much immediately released nitrogen.

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    2. Re:I am not going to complain by loonycyborg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If wikipedia becomes a money sink it may compromise its mission. Overfunding is as bad as underfunding since it leads to inefficiency and waste. If they get more donations than their current organizational structure can make use of they should consider re-donating excess to other charities.

    3. Re:I am not going to complain by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A few weeks ago, Jimmy Wales promised that the Wikimedia Foundation would "stop the fundraiser if enough money were raised in shorter than the planned time".

      who would refuse if the donations kept coming in.

      Anyone that actually values honesty?

    4. Re:I am not going to complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about setting up an endowment, then never running fund-raising campaigns again?

    5. Re:I am not going to complain by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please give a full breakdown of the unnecessary bullshit and how Wikipedia can function without it and achieve the same goals.

    6. Re:I am not going to complain by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's already been established that hosting only costs them about $2M/year. A few administrators are not adding much to that. They're not spending tons of money on new development here; the Wiki software hasn't changed significantly in ages. Running the site in lots of languages doesn't cost anything except hosting space (again, accounted for in the $2M/year figure). They're not paying anyone to actually do good translations, as they rely on unpaid volunteers to do that kind of stuff.

      Honestly, if they did employ a dozen or so people to do really good translations between articles in major languages, I'd be all for that. But they're not.

      What they're doing is outsourcing almost all the really important work (writing/tending articles, preventing it from being hijacked by "morontards" through bad edits, etc.) to unpaid volunteers instead of paid professionals, and then hiring a bunch of people to do bullshit work for their "foundation". Wikipedia's original, core mission is good and worthy: provide a website to act as an online encyclopaedia so that people can freely learn about just about any topic imaginable, with the goal of the information being as unbiased as possible as well as being properly cited. This is truly a great thing. But these donations, by and large, aren't paying for this mission. The organization has suffered a colossal amount of "mission creep", and worse, the core functions are handled by unpaid volunteers, who frequently have their own agendas or egotistical reasons for doing the jobs they do (leading to less than biased results in the articles because someone in a position of power wants to maintain control instead of simply doing an unbiased job of editing).

  8. Not as bad as Firefox fundraising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We already make millions auctioning off your default search engine, can you please donate some money?"

  9. Trying to build up an endowment by LordNicholas · · Score: 5, Informative
    Per their financial statements, they're trying to build up an endowment (like a university and many other large non-profits) so they can support themselves off investment income, and not need to rely as much on direct donations. Those incremental donations after the fundraising goal is reached are even more valuable since they can go directly towards growing the endowment.

    During the year ended June 30, 2016, the Foundation entered into an agreement with the Tides Foundation to establish the Wikimedia Endowment as a Collective Action Fund to act as a permanent safekeeping fund to generate income to ensure a base level of support for the Wikimedia projects in perpetuity. The Endowment is independent from the Foundation. On June 29, 2016, the Foundation provided an irrevocable grant in the amount of $5 million to the Tides Foundation for the purpose of the Wikimedia Endowment. The amount is recorded in awards and grants expense.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

    1. Re:Trying to build up an endowment by careysub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thanks for citing their marketing material. Every nonprofit-for-profit has "reasons" why they need all the money the solicit. But you need to peek behind the curtain to see if "reasons" are supported by actual data. It isn't hard.

      We can look at the exploding spending at Wikimedia.

      And there are very serious questions about all that money being rushed out the door, who it is going to and why. There is a high level of self-dealing in passing out grants, and creating and filling the ballooning list of paid positions. It is very lucrative to be a "friend-of-Jimmy".

      A glance at the financials shows that "building an endowment" is NOT the reason for the incessant fund-raising. First, the endowment was only launched this year , and their stated plan is to use only 10-20% of their fundraising revenue for that endowment. Currently they seem to be at the low end of that number (or below it) but we will need to see a report on 2016 to see the actual break-out. The goal of the endowment is to reach $100 million, but in their last annual foundation report (a 28 page advertising pamphlet with only one page of actual information) they state having $78 million in net assets as of 18 months ago, which is an increase of $25 million from the previous year report (almost all of it unrestricted).

      If we assume that the net assets are only accumulating at the same rate as from June 2014 to June 2015 (by all data it is probably higher, much higher), then right now they have about $115 million in assets, more than enough to fully fund their foundation with soliciting a penny (they received at least $6 million in designated donations to the foundation when they set it up, so they no more than $94 million to make up to reach their stated goal.

      So no. The foundation has nothing to do with their aggressive, relentless fund-raising.

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    2. Re:Trying to build up an endowment by careysub · · Score: 2

      Wow, what a piece of content-less name-calling non-sequitur by a coward. Low even for an AC.

      I provided plenty of documentation and links showing that the claiming it is "because of the endowment" is lie, pure and simple. The numbers don't lie. Wikpedia hype and ACs, well not so much.

      Come back when are willing to argue facts with an actual bit /. identifier coward.

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  10. Re:Would be great if they hired professional edito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    A professional admin team would largely eliminate many of the problems Wikipedia has with its various cabals.

    Yes it would. But a professional admin team would use up most of the money that is currently going to other people.

    net assets of $92 million and revenue of $82 million. None of this money, incidentally, pays for writing or checking Wikipedia content – that's the job of unpaid volunteers – and only $2 million are spent on internet hosting every year.

    Which is exactly why you should never give money to them.

  11. Re:Money Trail by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So where does all of the money go??

    200+ employees, who do nothing of value.

    Expensive office space in San Francisco.

    Giving away money in the form of "grants" which produce nothing of value.

  12. Re:Sounds like all too many "charities". . . by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    WTF?

    Why does Wikipedia need any "marketing" at all? Anyone who knows anything about the internet has heard of Wikipedia by now. This is like claiming that Google needs marketing for their search engine. If you haven't heard of Google Search or Wikipedia by now, no amount of marketing is going to help; you're probably not even using the internet.

    I don't see how it's unrealistic to expect an extremely well-established charity organization to concentrate its efforts on its core mission and not a bunch of unnecessary BS like marketing.

  13. Re:Money Trail by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    I don't know what medications you're on, but I think you forgot to take them.

  14. Obnoxious Fundraising by supremebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia's fundraising activities seem to get more obnoxious every year. This year I got a nasty-gram from "Jimmy Wales" asking why I haven't given my annual donation yet.

    I already did, dumb ass, but I submitted it from a different e-mail address this year. But, hey... if you're going to give me an attitude about it, I certainly won't bother donating next year.

  15. Adblock to the rescue by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just add this line to the block list of your favorite ad blocker (uBlock origin, ABP, ...)

    wikipedia.org###centralNotice

    It is not included by default because EasyList doesn't consider self-promotion to be advertisement. I do.

  16. Re: Money Trail by joao.cordeiro · · Score: 2

    Well, when i enter the url of wikipedia it works. Dispite all the hackers, trolls, law trolls, dictators contantly attacking it. Some times my windows does not work, but wikipedia works. That has to have some value.

  17. Ignorance by hackel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These comments are so full of ignorance it's not even funny—I thought I had wandered into /r/the_donald or something. The few sensible people posting have pointed out that there seems to be an extreme lack of transparency, and no one is quite sure where all the money is going. This is a fair point and needs to be addressed by the Wikimedia Foundation. This does *not* automatically mean that they are somehow wasting this money, giving its employees lavish salaries, or anything of the sort. It means we do not know. No amount of ridiculous theorising will change that. We need to be able to trust our non-profit organizations in general, and such a great, important organization like Wikimedia in particular. Just because we don't know something doesn't make them this evil villain. If we uncover some impropriety, *then* we can demonize them. Until then, I'm making a (small) donation and also demanding more transparency. I encourage others to do the same.

    1. Re:Ignorance by thekohser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This does *not* automatically mean that they are somehow wasting this money, giving its employees lavish salaries, or anything of the sort. It means we do not know. No amount of ridiculous theorising will change that.

      I'm curious, would you call this known scandal to be "ridiculous theorising"?

      http://wikipediocracy.com/2014...

  18. My donations are rejected by thekohser · · Score: 2

    I'm one of the comparatively few editors of Wikipedia who gets paid for my editing work. It only makes sense that as a "thank you", I should send a token of financial appreciation at fundraising time. Yet, when I try to send the Wikimedia Foundation a donation, they return it to me within the hour.