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Pentagon: Chinese Ship Captures US Underwater Drone Fom Sea (usatoday.com)

The Pentagon is demanding that China return an "unlawfully seized" underwater drone after a Chinese warship took the device from waters near a US oceanographic vessel. From a report on USA Today: A U.S. Navy underwater drone operating in international waters was captured by a Chinese warship in the South China Sea, Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said in a statement on Friday. The drone is not armed and is used for gathering weather and temperature data. The incident occurred Thursday. The drone was launched by the USNS Bowditch, a civilian crewed oceanographic ship that is operated by the Military Sealift Command, off the coast of the Philippines. These types of drones, called gliders, typically collect unclassified data, such as water temperatures and salinity levels. "We call upon China to return our UUV immediately, and to comply with all of its obligations under international law," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said in a statement, using the abbreviation for "unmanned underwater vehicle."

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  1. Non story by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course China will return it.

    Right after they take it apart, photograph its parts, map all its PCB traces, identify all the parts, copy its firmware and reassemble it (that last part is optional).

    And in a year at most the US can buy a comparable version at half the cost from China.

    Same thing happened when that US spy plane had to make an emergency landing awhile back (after colliding with a Chinese fighter jet). China returned the plane, in crates. I hear the crew threw all the sensitive stuff out while the plane was over the water.

  2. Re:heres the operative sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The South China Sea is, contrary to what you might expect from the name, not chinese territory except for small parts. It is mostly international waters.

  3. Re:heres the operative sentence by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The South China Sea is not all China's territorial waters. Even they don't even claim all of it. Some of the parts they DO claim are closer to other countries than they are China, making those claims pretty ludicrous, IMO.

  4. Re:heres the operative sentence by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 5, Informative

    The map in the article suggests it was confiscated just off the coast of the Philippines in Subic Bay - the Chinese were way outside their territorial waters on this one.

  5. Cover up. by x0ra · · Score: 1, Informative

    > The drone was launched by the USNS Bowditch, a civilian crewed oceanographic ship that is operated by the Military Sealift Command
    So, it was a spy UUV.

  6. Re:Almost seems destiny by dywolf · · Score: 1, Informative

    you are an idiot, ignorant of history, china, the US, and just generally.

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  7. Re:Some helpful context: by morethanapapercert · · Score: 4, Informative
    It is my understanding that there are several different distinctions, each with its own measurements, for what constitutes a nations waters.

    First off, as far as I know, all measurements are determined from the low tide water line(s)

    Second, most treaties and decisions are based on Nautical Miles, leading to much confusion on the part of laymen, especially if they are converting from metric kilometres to miles and neglect to distinguish between nautical and statute measurements.

    Third; there are several basic levels of control over waters:

    a) Internal waters (bays and rivers, no right of innocent passage by third parties)

    b)Territorial waters (12 NM from low tide line, nation must allow innocent passage but all laws of nation are in effect)

    c) archipelagic waters, (baseline drawn from outermost points of peninsulas and and islands. Nation is completely sovereign, but must allow innocent passage AND traditional fishing rights of neighbouring countries.

    d) Contiguous zone (measured another 12 NM out beyond the territorial waters. (only customs, taxation, pollution and immigration laws are in effect)

    e) Exclusive Economic zone. (TWO HUNDRED NM out from baseline, nation has exclusive rights to exploit all natural resources in the area except where already covered by Contiguous Zone.) and finally

    f) Continental Shelf 200 miles from baseline OR to the natural edge of the geologic feature WHICHEVER IS GREATER, to a maximum of 350 NM. Nation has rights to resources attached to, or below, the sea bottom in this area.

    What China appears to be doing is building artificial islands in what previously had been international waters. If it can get tacit or explicit acceptance from the international community that China is sovereign on those islands, that will allow China to dramatically expand its control in the region based on the archipelagic rule, which in turn will expand its exclusive economic zone. Remember that there is a clear difference between de facto and de jure sovereignty. The Permanent Court of Arbitration can only rule on de jure and historically, de jure sovereignty has always been secondary to de facto sovereignty. Thus, China does not need international acceptance in order to gain de facto sovereignty. By building the islands and providing military and border patrols, it already has that.

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