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President Obama Threatens Retaliatory Actions Against Russia Over Hacks (nytimes.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the New York Times:
[President Obama] said he was weighing a mix of public and covert actions against the Russians in his last 34 days in office, actions that would increase "the costs for them." Mr. Obama said he was committed to sending the Kremlin a message that "we can do stuff to you," but without setting off an escalating cyberconflict... "Some of it we will do in a way that they will know, but not everybody will," he said...
[T]he president was clearly wrestling with what he said the hacking affair and the reaction to it revealed about the state of American politics. Citing a recent poll that showed more than a third of Trump voters saying they approved of Mr. Putin...the president appealed to Americans not to allow partisan hatred and feuds to blind them to manipulation by foreign powers. "Unless that changes," Mr. Obama said, "we're going to continue to be vulnerable to foreign influence because we've lost track of what it is that we're about and what we stand for."
President Obama pulled Putin aside at a September meeting of the G20 to discuss Russian hacking, according to the article, telling Putin "to cut it out, there were going to be serious consequences if he did not."
[T]he president was clearly wrestling with what he said the hacking affair and the reaction to it revealed about the state of American politics. Citing a recent poll that showed more than a third of Trump voters saying they approved of Mr. Putin...the president appealed to Americans not to allow partisan hatred and feuds to blind them to manipulation by foreign powers. "Unless that changes," Mr. Obama said, "we're going to continue to be vulnerable to foreign influence because we've lost track of what it is that we're about and what we stand for."
President Obama pulled Putin aside at a September meeting of the G20 to discuss Russian hacking, according to the article, telling Putin "to cut it out, there were going to be serious consequences if he did not."
Guess we know which side it came down on, don't we.
It hardly took that long over 9/11. And with evidence just as feeble..
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Every indication from the articles are that they're talking about the hacking of the DNC and Hillary's emails.
There's not indication that they hacked the actual results (the electronic voting machines aren't even net-connected), but merely that by releasing the DNC's emails that they hacked they swayed public opinion.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
There are not even the barest shreds of any proofs about russian influence or wrongdoing. However the allegations all come from proven professional liars and torturers who then steal and kill to hide their wrongdoings. All of the infamous 17 agencies lie pretty much everytime they go public with anything political.
How many russian speakers work at the CIA who can write russian comments? "Rasputin" is now considererd a proof? How many attack servers of the NSA and CIA are located in former soviet republics? Weren't stuxnet servers there too? The CIA/NSA has a lot more reason to do some hacking their own election than Russia: there simply is no reason for Russia to hack cause the conflicts they are in, they are actually winning, unlike the US no matter who wins the election. Also no mather who wins it, the war in the middle east will go on, maybe a little less bloody since the US won't send weapons to Al-Qaeda aka al-Nusra via Saudi Arabia. Russia has realistic goals, and goes rationally to achieve them. The US does not but finances and supports with weapons instead the people they are claiming to fight for the last 15 years.
So if any country wishes to meddle in any election by telling the truth about any sides corruption, I say: more power to them. Even if it is some CIA guy who publicized the campaign emails. I'd be happy if they did the same for the republicans and their campaings, but I guess that hacker there already did a lot for the american public so we can't demand more from him.
The US has meddled in other countries' elections especially their allies, since at least WW2 (Greece, Italy for example), toppled by now probably dozens of governments in clandestine operations and in bloody coups on in middle and southern america alone. So how are they to accuse anyone of doing it? And doing it with the truth instead of bullets like the US customarily does?
And how would that have been done, seeing as the presidential election is effectively 50 separate elections, with different voting technologies? As to Democrat email leaks, it is unclear to me that the Executive branch has ever had an overt role in securing political parties' data.
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A flood of fake news stories to influence gullible voters to vote against their interests by voting for Trump. It doesn't help that Trump, various staff members and some of his appointees are members of The Friends of Putin Club. Or that the Republican Party is worshiping Putin as a strong leader that the U.S. could never have without a fascist government.
The only way they have been accused of "intervening" so far is by sharing information with the American people is that it was all “real news” about newsworthy topics. Information that we should have a right to know about. AFAIK, they have not been accused of hacking votes or anything along those lines.
The amazing thing is Thursday I listened to Julian Assange give a live interview stating categorically that Wikileaks did not receive the emails from any state actor including Russia. It was a DNC insider angry about Clinton Foundation corruption and what happened to Bernie. Not hearing a word of this in the "media".
Er - Afghanistan was attacked the very night the towers fell. Iraq was NEVER about 9/11.
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Were you alive, then? Because it was a 14-month march to war.
Wow are you confused. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The Taliban in Afghanistan admitted to hosting and supporting Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
I know we're living in a post factual world where empirical truth doesn't exist. But the fact is that the U.S. led a coaliton of forces against the Taliban in Afghanistan beginning on October 7, 2001. Less than one month after the September 11 attacks.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
Besides, Putin is more photogenic than Hillary.
Don't assume that everyones taste in porn is the same as yours.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
On the contrary, the US could have a strong leader without a fascist government - but it's not going to happen when you have such disparity between the current oligarchy and the masses. Economic inequality keeps increasing, the financial benefits of government policies flow increasingly to those who need it least, and you want people to get behind you? Ain't gonna happen unless you drug the water supply.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Here are some other ways:
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http://patch.com/michigan/detr...
If you would like more ways Trump's win can be declared illegitimate, I'm here to serve.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Were you alive, then? Because it was a 14-month march to war. Bush made a dozen speeches making his case. Powell did the UN presentation. They got a UN resolution, and two authorizations of force from congress. And EVERY security service on the face of the planet said Saddam had WMDs - including the one you are trusting now about the Russians.
The Iraqi war had nothing to do with 9/11. No one stopped us from going into Afghanistan after 9/11 to take out the Taliban government and Osama bin Laden. If the Bush administration wasn't obsess with Saddam, they wouldn't have let Osama bin Laden escape and started an unnecessary war in Iraq.
And the White house Email system, and the OPM. Don't forget those. That happened more than two years ago, and shut down those email systems for weeks. What was our response to that? Crickets. Thank God this President is on the way out.
It's different because a foreign power didn't hack into Access Hollywood servers in order to get that video, with the intent of putting Hillary in the Whitehouse. You're missing the real issue here: the premise of that whole voting thing is that the American people decide who should be their leader.