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Scientific American Column: 'It's Not Cold Fusion...But It's Something' (scientificamerican.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Scientific American magazine has published a guest column on low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR) [putting] into context the history of what was mistakenly referred to as cold fusion and what happened. The bottom line is that there is compelling cumulative evidence for nuclear reactions taking place, including shifts in the abundance of isotopes, element transmutations, and localized melting of metals. Furthermore, those reactions do not have the characteristics of either nuclear fission or nuclear fusion. Despite sharp criticism from much of the scientific community after the 1989 announcement by Fleischmann and Pons, the Department of the Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center and other reputable organizations continued the research and published many papers. The article reports that "to the surprise of many people, a new field of nuclear research has emerged," adding that even in the early 20th century, atomic scientists were already reporting "inexplicable experimental evidence of elemental transmutations."

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  1. Justice. by beheaderaswp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the 80's when my physics chops were far better I was sure they were on to something.

    Just goes to show, that even in the scientific community, bias can play a part in what gets to the public. Just because they are scientists, doesn't mean they aren't human.

    I hope those two guys get their due. They deserve it, and they took a ration of grief which damaged their careers. Fleischmann is dead- but someone should wrote Pons a check since he's still kicking around..

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    1. Re:Justice. by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My thoughts too.

      This in particular got me:

      The Widom-Larsen theory offers a plausible explanation—localized conversion of gamma radiation to infrared radiation.

      Huh? Now how is that supposed to happen?

      Looking up the theory I found this article, where they describe the theory: intense electromagnetic fields at the surface dress electrons with extra mass, which allows electron capture to form a cold neutron and a neutrino. Cold neutrons are pretty much immediately captured causing a transmutation reaction. That's all pretty basic physics, if you accept the premise that you're getting heavy electrons from intense electromagnetic field effects (which they argue for). But what about the gamma? No explanation there.

      I see this page tries to offer a plain-english description of the theory for the gamma:

      W-L alleges that gamma emissions are anisotropic and selective in their directionality. Meaning they, for some mysterious reason, direct themselves toward the heavy electron SPP patches. These transient SPP patches are also imagined to have precisely tuned, energy specific absorptivity capabilities which seems like a stretch as well. Also the persistence of gamma absorption during the "life after death" phase is equally perplexing, as the SPP shields are thought to disappear during this phase. Not to mention delayed gammas caused by neutron absorption also create issues for this heavy electron gamma shield hypothesis

      If that's accurate, that's very weak indeed...

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    2. Re:Justice. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually I realized the submitter is flogging a book series on the subject and is also the author of the column. So I guess that explains it.

    3. Re:Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, about that "their due" thing.....I suspect history would have been a little more kind to them if they hadn't tried to screw over Steven Jones in the process by breaking their agreement to publish simultaneously.

    4. Re:Justice. by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1, Insightful

      FINALLY - someone is willing to actually LOOK at the evidence, and THEN formulate a theory to explain the energy production.

      Same thing goes for the Reactionless Drive - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=reac...
      NASA is currently scratching their heads (and asses) as to how this thing works, but they are convinced that SOMETHING is going on.

      Hell, TRY IT OUT, and IF it produces results, then get your head out of your educated, doctorial (god-like) ass and look at the reality of the real world processes.

      Science is NOT founded on theory, it is founded on provable and repeatable processes that get theories developed to explain the realities.

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    5. Re:Justice. by thrich81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stellar fusion is a whole different subject than artificial fusion. You're right that fusion output per volume or weight is quite low in stars, but that is because the fusion being done is essentially four bare protons to helium4 which must evidently (I'm too lazy to look it up) include at least one reaction in the chain with an extremely low cross section. Actually it states in the article you linked that the slow reaction in the sun's Proton-proton reaction is the first one (proton + proton -> deuteron [H1 + H1 -> H2]). No artificial fusion schemes (low or high energy, serious or crackpot) ever consider using H1 as a fuel. They all start with isotopes much, much easier to fuse (usually deuterium, tritium, or helium3). And we do have an example of a high yield artificial fusion technique -- the thermonuclear weapons, which obviously are many orders of magnitude more powerful per kilogram than stars (I know most of their yield is usually fission, but they do produce a significant positive yield from fusion).

  2. Too many scams with LENR by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    LENR is great for scammers. It's like free energy but with better sounding "science" behind it.
    Scammers with the necessary scientific background and a good sense of misdirection can easily fool scientists. Scientists are good at finding natural causes for surprising results. However, if the result comes from deliberate trickery and that the trickster did enough research to avoid breaking all the laws of physics, scientists can be fooled like kids at a magic show.
    So I thing that many of the results for LENR are poisoned by such scams and any attempt at meta-analysis is doomed.

  3. And as usual by Namarrgon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone takes a blog article with no cited evidence as gospel truth, then crows about how it validates their personal beliefs. Particularly ironic in this case, as said personal beliefs are about scientists always jumping to biased conclusions. You don't say.

    A) when scientists turn out to be wrong, who is it that proves them wrong - is it blog authors or slashdot posters? No, it's other scientists with stronger evidence.
    B) there may be interesting accumulated evidence in the LENR field, but this guest blog does not cite any, so does not prove or disprove anything.
    C) Many labs tried to replicate Pons and Fleischmann's work, and couldn't. The public backlash was heightened by them having gone to the press before peer review, but the real fault lay with the media over-blowing the hype prematurely - and people accepting unquestioningly everything the media said.
    C) If there are, as alleged, some interesting results worthy of further study, then hopefully some labs will follow them up further. LENR falls in the extraordinary-claims basket, so the proper response for most labs is to ignore it until more speculative researchers get around to producing evidence strong enough to merit a closer look. Has that happened yet? TFA thinks so, but does not make a case a reputable lab would find compelling.

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  4. Re:As usual by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Through the last 200+ years, scientists have had the cycle of someone saying they're wrong, they resist it, then it's proven right, and they look like stubborn and very unscientific idiots then repeat the cycle. I think the poster boy for this is Ignaz Semmelweis. The scientific community dismissed his results out of pride, and thousands died as a result.

    This is just a variant of the Galileo Gambit. Yes, over the last 200 years there have been several instances where "science" (as in the majority of scientists) has been sceptical to accept paradigm-changing new claims. Semmelweis is one example, as is Alfred Wegener with his idea of continental drift. But for every genius causing a major shift in scientific opinion, there have been legions of bozos proposing perpetuum mobiles, morphic fields, magnetic water cures, electric universes, and other crap. And on the other hand, many earth-shattering new theories like relativity (both versions) and evolution have been rather quickly accepted, because they were presented with convincing arguments and testable hypotheses. As Sagan said: they also laughed at Bozo the Clown...

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  5. Re: Initial Energy Problem Too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back to Feynman, if the results are reproducible and current theory cannot explain it, there must be laws we don't know about. Further, if this behaviour is not reasonable within the existing theory then the existing theory is wrong.

    Have we as scientists become is precious about our theories that we will protect then in the face of experimental evidence.

    Scientific theories should be viewed as "useful models", not truth. Even if quantum theory isn't entirely true it is a good enough model to give us fission and the micro computer. But the belief that it is true may have blinded us to alternative theories that explain these phenomenon and could yield advances in other areas such as energy production and gravitic repulsion.