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Japan Successfully Launches Solid Fuel Rocket (oann.com)

randomErr writes: Japan successfully launched a solid fuel rocket named Epsilon-2. The 26-meter-long rocket launched from the Uchinoura Space Center at about 8 p.m. local time. Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) said this is the latest in Tokyo's effort to stay competitive in an industry that has robust growth potential and strong security implications. Also, this is to curb costs for rocket launches. The Epsilon-2 three-stage rocket [is part of a new generation of solid propellant rockets that aim] to put communication and weather satellites in space.

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  1. Slightly better summary by ChoGGi · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Slightly better summary by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2
  2. Re:Title is wildly misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Much of the cost of a liquid fuel rocket is an engine, here you just have a simple pipe open on one end.

  3. Re:Title is wildly misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is news for nerds. Any "nerd" who doesn't think rocketry is awesome should probably turn in their badge on the way out.

  4. Re:Perfect for Satellites... and Nukes by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2

    Why are people blaming everything on Trump? He wasn't even elected or running when they started the development on this project.

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  5. Re:Title is wildly misleading by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usually you have to fill liquid fuelled ones up just before you launch them. This means if anyone is observing you, they know in advance that you're going to launch.

    This can be a disadvantage for certain applic@.m,mk
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  6. Presidents get the blame by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Why are people blaming everything on Trump?

    Several reasons. 1) He's an asshole and an easy target. 2) Every president gets both too much credit and too much blame. Trump will be no exception. 3) Trump has said some terrifying and ignorant and irresponsible shit in regards to nuclear weapons which is relevant to this discussion.

    He wasn't even elected or running when they started the development on this project.

    No but he's the guy who got elected and so his actions and opinions now matter.

  7. Re:Perfect for Satellites... and Nukes by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    Did I say Japan built this thing in response to Trump? Am I claiming that Japan's nuclear reactors (including their plutonium breeder reactors) were built because they needed to make nuclear fuel for their weapons?

    Of course not, however if the need arises they will surely turn towards the skills they have peaceably acquired for the production of weapons of mass destruction.

    Conservatives are fond of saying that guns don't kill people, people do. Like so many many things in our technological world, (GPS, high purity aluminum alloys for centrifuges, etc.) advanced technological items can be used for many purposes (I do genetic engineering). Now we've got someone who wants to radically alter the balance of power in the world, I would say in a very short-sighted way. So people are looking anew, for their own protection, at what they have and what they can be used for.

  8. Re:Perfect for Satellites... and Nukes by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would Japan want such a thing after having avowed a no nuclear policy after being subjected to the only nuclear attack in history?

    As far as I can tell, japan has considered to not be a nuclear power almost in name only for quite a while. They have an active space programme, a strong nuclear industry with reprocessing, first world tech and science, active heavy industry, leading supercomputing capability and so on.

    Yes, they are avowedly anti nuclear on paper, but when push comes to shove, it's entirely obvious they could have a nuke up in the air with pretty short notice.

    Now, while they had a good space program, what they lacked was an excellent delivery vehicle. Liquid fueled rockets are superior in many regards, but as a delivery mechanism for nukes they are not. Solid fuelled rockets are stable, robust, transportable and fuelled and ready to go with no notice 24/7 for years at a time.

    Now, there's not been much hurry, but North Korea has been acting more threatening recently, and China is beginning to get a bit miliraristic round that area about ownership of some islands.

    I don't think there's a huge desire to become a nuclear power but this sends a message that they could and very quickly if they desired. At this point if Japan felt it had to start it's own manhattan program, well, it would probably be scant months before they reach the stage where they could drop a warhead on more or less anywhere in the world at short notice and from hard to predict locations.

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  9. Advantages: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Solid fuel: Low cost, low storage requirements, quick preparation

    Disadvatanges:
    Low power, can't be stopped

  10. Re:Title is wildly misleading by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

    US ICBMs are solid fuel rockets. This is so they can be launched quickly before an attack by an adversary can take them out.

    That said the primary design goal for this particular rocket is low cost. One of these particular rockets costs only $38 million. Many launch systems aimed at putting about 1000 kg into orbit are solid fuel because it's relatively cheap to build and operate a solid-propellant rocket and you don't need to squeeze every last bit of specific impulse out of the rocket to launch a modest payload.
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  11. Re:Perfect for Satellites... and Nukes by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    Sorry, I guess what I wrote could be interpreted in the wrong way:

    "Why would Japan want such a thing after having avowed a no nuclear policy after being subjected to the only nuclear attack in history? Because Trump has..."

    I guess I could have been more clear: "Why would Japan want to use it in such a way after having avowed..."

    As someone who been following national space programs for decades (and regularly attended JPL conferences), it was not my intent to say that Trump was responsible for Japan's solid rocket program (as if). Nitpicking aside, my apologies for the confusion, however the rest of my points (repeated I see by numerous other commentators) stand.

  12. Re:Throttle Control? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    From my limited KSP playing experience, the biggest drawback for solid fuel propulsion is the inability to throttle back (or shut down) the rocket.
    I have seen a growing number of non-booster stages that use solid rocket fuel systems. Has this problem been solved?

    Well, yes and no. A solid-fuel rocket cannot be throttled. But a hybrid system (solid fuel plus liquid oxidizer) can be throttled and/or shutdown, by throttling the flow of oxidizer.

    It's got some of the advantages of solid fuel, and some of the advantages of liquid fuel.

    Unfortunately, it's also got some of the disadvantages of both solid and liquid fuel, which is why not much effort has really been put into it much past proof-of-concept....

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  13. Re:Title is wildly misleading by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Solid rocket motors have tradeoffs. In some circumstances, they make sense.

    They are long-term storage-stable. Build it, stick it in a silo somewhere, and leave it be for a few years, it will still launch just fine. Hypergolic liquid-fueled rockets can't be kept ready-to-launch for more than a few days*, and cryogenic liquid-fueled rockets can't be kept ready-to-launch for more than a few hours. This makes them particularly preferable for military uses, everything from little anti-tank rockets to ICBMs. This also reduces the number of ground crew needed - you don't need to worry about fueling, just electricals and signals.

    They have extremely high levels of thrust, due to the extremely high energy density. The Shuttle's SRBs were each twice as powerful as the largest liquid-fueled rockets. This makes them very popular as boosters.

    They have a lot of impulse per unit volume. What most rockets care about is impulse per unit mass (aka specific impulse), but some cases care about volume. If you're launching from an aircraft, like Stratolaunch or Pegasus, this matters. If you have constrained volume because you're in a fixed-size fairing, this matters. If you're launching from a submarine, this matters.

    It's also often a matter of economies of scale. Countries with military missile programs (which have many reasons to go solid-fueled) often use them for other things as well, either to subsidize their military-industrial complex or to take advantage of existing scale to make civilian rocketry cheaper, depending on how cynical you are. The US, masters of solid-fueled ICBMs, used a pair of massive SRBs on the Space Shuttle, and will use them again on SLS, if that ever flies. The ESA's Ariane 5 uses SRBs based on a French SLBM. Japan may not field ICBMs, but they too have a reason - the first stage of this rocket is almost identical to the booster of their H-II rocket.

    The higher stages are solid-fueled presumably to maintain that low-ground-crew capability, and the minor reduction in drag can't hurt either.

  14. Re:Title is wildly misleading by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

    Only cryogenic fuel rockets. Hypergolic fuel rockets can be fuelled way earlier - the missiles can stay fuelled up to a decade or so.

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