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Sling TV Accidentally Reveals Its Set-Top Box For Cord Cutters (engadget.com)

The Sling TV team has inadvertently spilled the beans on its previously leaked media hub for cord cutters. Zatz Not Funny discovered a briefly available landing website for the AirTV Player, and it's clearer than ever that Sling (read: Dish) is catering to those determined to leave cable and satellite behind. From a report on Engadget: The set-top box will revolve around a home screen that merges over-the-air TV tuning with not only Sling TV, but Netflix -- you won't have to jump between apps or devices to watch both your local news and the latest season of Black Mirror. And since this is an Android device (notice the "G" button on the remote), there's a good chance that other online services will be available as well. It's not certain how much the AirTV Player will cost or when you can get it in your hands. However, a launch at CES in January seems likely given that Dish tends to have a major presence at the trade show. It could be a big deal if there aren't any rude surprises in the pricing or execution, though. Until now, you've typically needed a separate over-the-air TV tuner device (like Nuvyyo's Tablo DVR) if you wanted local live programming wrapped in a slick interface.

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  1. OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 2

    Other than an easier way to snag OTA content, I'm not sure what this box offers. Most new TV's, home theater receivers, and blu-ray devices already offer a plethora of streaming options built right in (or you can just pick up a Roku or similar device). It would have to be an extremely compelling "experience" at an even more compelling price point to get any traction.

    1. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It would have to be an extremely compelling "experience" at an even more compelling price point to get any traction.

      I'll tell you what would get me to spend my money on yet another streaming device: if it would a) work properly and b) integrate my queues into the launcher so I don't have to launch the app manually (and wade through the bullshit) to watch a show.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast X1 has Netflix. Everyone else scrambling to catch up.

    3. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 1

      LOL!

    4. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is more likely that these boxes are extremely cheap to make and they are currently subsidizing other companies boxes. With their own they can give it away to new customers and profit from old customers while attempting to preserve the "lock in" of cable / satellite. i.e. you own the "Sling Box" so you should be subscribed to Sling.

      You can tell now that the only thing special about Sling is how you can activate and cancel without much hassle. Other than that I am not really sure how it is better than cable or satellite. The pricing isn't much better and they are already starting to try to get people to buy larger packages that seem identical to a typical cable package.

    5. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my Roku devices have done this kind of integration for years via cross service search.

      Streaming boxes are a dime a dozen these days. This thing will really have to differentiate itself somehow, otherwise it's just another one of those.

      I have looked into paying for Sling in the past, but it just seems too expensive. It would be fine if that were the only service to pay for, but as an add-on to a streaming portfolio it basically doubles the bill and gets you back into cable TV range.

      With most "smart" TV's offering built-in services, console gaming boxes which offer these things and chromecast type devices, it is just hard to see how they plan on making any money on this. Especially since Sling services are already available on all of those other platforms...

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    6. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and they all offer it in really shitty interfaces on underpowered hardware. The Apple TV4 and the Nvidia Shield utterly destroy any smartTV made in the quality of the apps and the UI. Plus I get updates, unlike the craptastic netflix app in my panasonic smart TV that has not been updated in 2 years and they are using a processor from 1989 to run it.

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    7. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I have looked into paying for Sling in the past, but it just seems too expensive. It would be fine if that were the only service to pay for, but as an add-on to a streaming portfolio it basically doubles the bill and gets you back into cable TV range.

      Sounds like you're saying that cable TV is appropriately priced.

    8. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I think you are right... in as much as ebooks costing as much as paper backs are "appropriately priced"

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    9. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually TiVo has been doing the OTA combined with search and access across streaming like Netflix and Amazon Prime, Hulu, etc...for quite some time now.

      With Tivo it can search, and play across a number of OTA saved and streaming content all from one box.

      You can add Tivo minis in other rooms around the house that connect with the main unit (I have the Tivo Roamio OTA) for your other rooms in the house.

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    10. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by unixcorn · · Score: 1

      The lack of a compelling price point is why people like me are leaving cable and satellite services. When you are served up 50 channels of shit with three decent channels, and they (meaning the content providers and the satellite purveyors) still want to charge a ridiculous amount plus add-ons for HD, box rental, etc., one can't help but believe that any new service provided by the old guard will be exactly the same, just packaged in a new box.
      Now that I have cut the cord, and have found I don't miss my satellite dish at all, it's going to have to really wow me before I spend a penny.

    11. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Sing refuses to support their own app on desktop, which was pretty shitty to begin with.

      Do not trust them to make any promises.

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    12. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Other than an easier way to snag OTA content, I'm not sure what this box offers. Most new TV's, home theater receivers, and blu-ray devices already offer a plethora of streaming options built right in (or you can just pick up a Roku or similar device). It would have to be an extremely compelling "experience" at an even more compelling price point to get any traction.

      Yea I'm still waiting for the right box. Right now I'm running a Windows Media Center on Windows 7 (Microsoft has killed it off now), and I use a SiliconDust HDHomeRun tuner for cable. I have the really cheap Verizon plan that gives me all the local channels and a few others (USA, TNT, SyFy, HGTV - because the wife has to have it). It's not bad, but I still have to switch remotes and shut down WMC for Netflix / Prime / YouTube / whatever. But I still want to DVR those tuner shows. That's mostly network stuff, but I still want the others. The wife HAS to have Nat Geo so she can catch Alaska the Last Frontier and others, and that channel is still copy protected, so WMC it is.

      SiliconDust has been working on DVR functionality for a really long time, and there is still no capability to record / watch the protected content, which is the missing piece. Nothing else can, either.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    13. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Jhon · · Score: 1

      Fire TV (Amazon) started doing something close to that. I was looking for a movie (Floyd Norman: An Animated Life) and thought it might be available on prime. I used the Fire TV Search function. Nope. Not on prime -- but it had "Other Viewing Options" with NETFLIX there. I selected it and POOF. Netflix launched and automagically started playing the movie.

    14. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Jhon · · Score: 1

      "I think you are right... in as much as ebooks costing as much as paper backs are "appropriately priced""

      I've never understood that. If I buy an ebook I really cant do anything with it other than READ it. With a RealPaperBook(tm), I can re-sell it. I can donate it. I can prop up a wobbly table with it.

      With an ebook, maybe you are paying for not taking up gobs of your living space and maybe that has some extra value -- but not a value of parity of price.

    15. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by ZipK · · Score: 1

      Comcast X1 has Netflix. Everyone else scrambling to catch up.

      What will really distinguish the X1 over the Sling box will be the absence of recurring monthly charges and the presence of world class Comcast service.

    16. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      My experience:

      I have a "smart" TV and a "smart BluRay player". One Panasonic and one Samsung. The Panasonic (last I checked) only still had one service available and the Samsung bluray basically bricked its smart capabilities by insisting on firmware updates. It still plays discs, but barely. I just wanted to watch Netflix, why did it have to update Angry Birds or whatever it did?

      My Roku is pretty sweet.

      I recently added a Chromecast into the mix, but it's horrible. Last night I wanted to watch something but casting from my phone shut off after about a minute but I could cast from my computer - upstairs. Doesn't that defeat the whole idea of just being able to control things from my phone?

      You want to pause? Okay, run upstairs and press pause.

      Probably can blame it on the phone since my computer could do it fine, but I'm not impressed with Chromecast. I'll probably just buy a second Roku.

    17. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      A Tivo can do all of that. It has a cable card slot and can record and playback protected content. If you buy Tivo Minis you can access them on multiple TVs

      The Tivo has a single global search that can search across TV listings as well as Netflix, Hulu, etc. The one limitation is you can view purchased Amazon content, but not Prime Video which is limited to Rokus and FireTVs.

      There is also free software people have made that can connect to your Tivo over the network and download recordings off it. You can then decrypt them, do automatic commercial cutting, and convert them to whatever format you want to have it placed in a media library like Plex. You are not able to do this will protected recordings though.

    18. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

      Prime Video works fine on my Tivo Roamio.

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    19. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      A Tivo can do all of that. It has a cable card slot and can record and playback protected content. If you buy Tivo Minis you can access them on multiple TVs

      All that does is replace my tuner. I already have a tuner, it works fine. I just need a front-end. I can watch anything coming from the tuner that's non-protected anywhere in the house, even on the FireTV stick.

      A TiVo with less than half the recording space is $350, and another $150 for a mini. I can already do everything I want with the non-protected content, so no new functionality there. In fact with the SiliconDust I don't need a bunch of conversion stuff - it's already done. I can watch it anywhere, even over the Internet if I want to enable that.

      Protected stuff still requires the WMC. That would be the only thing the TiVo would be replacing, only it would be less functional since the tuner is tied to the box.

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      --- Jerry Garcia
    20. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Do they have something for people who don't want any kind of tuner? I can't get any TV in my area anyway. All I want is the streaming, the interface, and actually working worth a damn unlike the Fire TV stick.

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    21. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Do they have something for people who don't want any kind of tuner? I can't get any TV in my area anyway. All I want is the streaming, the interface, and actually working worth a damn unlike the Fire TV stick.

      If you're only wanting to stream, get the Roku 4 or the FireTV unit (not the stick, too slow).

      You can search and stream over those the easiest....

      You can side load Kodi on those too (at least with the FireTV you can, I think roku too)....and with apps on that, you can stream in some regular TV channels too.

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    22. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I guess I will try Roku next. I have Kodi on my Fire TV stick, which is actually what it's best at. If I get a Roku and like it, I'll probably make the stick just boot into Kodi. The Amazon launcher is ugh anyway.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    23. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I find today multiple software solutions for Linux that are slowing removing the need for any kind of a cable box. So why do I need to buy a box when I can download a open source solution; without breaking stride?

    24. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      You said you were waiting for the right box, I just made the suggestion that it exists.

      I used WMC before. I looked into building my own MythTV box, I looked at every available DVR software package commercial or otherwise. Tivo is leaps and bound better and having a system that just works is great.

      Tivo also has a product called the Stream that's integrated into it, I can watch TV over the Internet too. Or on a FireTV with the Tivo App, but that's just recorded content not live TV like the Mini.

      Tivos can be pricey, but not having the wife want to kill you when her recording didn't happen is worth the price of admission.

    25. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon ebooks don't cost as much typically...

    26. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by allston · · Score: 0

      Where do you live abouts that you don't get any OTA signal? I know most of broadcast tv suck, but I like watching the news, late night, and old tv shows on all the new niche tv channels. I personally live near Monterey Park hills where getting reception is hampered even though I am near the near the TV broadcast antennas on Mount Wilson. I had to resort to buying a big ass Winegard outdoor TV antenna and put it on 25 ft. mast to get reception on all the available channels. Also the ATSC signal sucks too, there is no grade b signal choice like in other systems.

    27. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by allston · · Score: 0

      You can run Windows Media Center on Windows 10. Some great guys have made a patched version which works well. Windows 10 gives you Netflix and Amazon on the same box. https://forums.mydigitallife.i... also there is this https://www.tablotv.com/tablo-...

    28. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      You can run Windows Media Center on Windows 10. Some great guys have made a patched version which works well. Windows 10 gives you Netflix and Amazon on the same box. https://forums.mydigitallife.i... also there is this https://www.tablotv.com/tablo-...

      Thanks for the links. I'm going to have to try out the WMC for Windows 10. Might be a way to keep that running for a bit longer, and an easier way to switch to streaming.

      The Tablo looks interesting, but it's pretty the same thing as the SiliconDust tuner, except it only tunes ATSC and not QAM. SiliconDust does have some ATSC-only devices like that, but I'm already using one with the cable card. The SiliconDust DVR separates the recording devices from the tuner box, so I can record to a NAS and/or the WMC. So it's a little more versatile.

      It would have been nice if SiliconDust had been able to deliver what they promised in their KickStarter. There have been no updates since August, and I'm starting to think they're just having a difficult time getting the licensing in place to support protected content. That's a shame because it would really be a great system, pretty much everything else is working.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    29. Re:OTA programming + a la carte "premium" content by allston · · Score: 0

      Your welcome for the links, Iagree with you on the protected content part, I don't think SiliconDust will deliver, for a number of reasons mainly thatcable labs certification is unnecessarily draconian and only companies like Microsoft have theware with all toget there software certified. Also I think that there really is no completive reason to have devices that can compete with the cable companies cable box racket. I really wish the TV networks would go all IP, it would makethings allot easier.

  2. Over-the-air TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that still a thing?

    1. Re:Over-the-air TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For "cord cutters" it is. I just have Netflix, Amazon Video and I have a digital antenna on my TV for news stations (mostly just for local sports broadcast, though).

    2. Re:Over-the-air TV by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> Over-the-air TV

      If you've cut the cord, then yes. Over-the-air switched to an all-digital, hi-def signal many years ago. It's how I watch PBS, NFL football and the occasional college game. (My wife also watches some of the crappy network morning shows.) Along with Netflix and a little pirating, it helps keep our family's monthly TV costs under $10.

    3. Re:Over-the-air TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, for $100 a month, you can either pay protection money to an evil cartel, or you can go to a bar and drink beer and watch sports. We get PBS for the little, and don't give a shit about the 150 channels we don't get any more. However, a $40 antenna gives us a couple of channels with news and weather and stupid shit.

      Fuck Comcast. Cut the cord.

    4. Re:Over-the-air TV by tepples · · Score: 1

      After paying $40 for an antenna to receive live TV, wouldn't you need to pay $750 more to TiVo to be able to record live TV? That's $200 for the DVR and either $150 per year or $550 one time to make it work.

    5. Re:Over-the-air TV by enjar · · Score: 1

      Well, not necessarily. I got my series 3 HD TiVo used with Lifetime Subscription for $100 about five years ago. You can transfer the lifetime subscription with a call to TiVo support. Similar prices are common on Craigslist for newer models like the Roamio and Premiere. Spare parts are readily available from WeaKnees, and TiVos are about the same difficulty to service as a desktop PC.

    6. Re:Over-the-air TV by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      I paid $140 for a Tablo instead. Currently paying $5/mo for the guide, but they off a $50/yr or $150 lifetime subscription as well.

  3. Alright! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, wow I wait for Sony to do this on the PS4, or come out with a cheaper box that just streams PS Vue, Netflix and hooks into local channels.

    Sling isn't very good. But, they've got a good idea...

  4. Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> over-the-air TV tuning with not only Sling TV, but Netflix

    Sounds like all the "smart TVs" I've been buying for a while. What's the need for this third-party box then?

    1. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you. But, I've seen Smart TVs and I'm not impressed. I'd much rather have my PS4 (or even my PS3, for that matter) stream my video and all that. Every time I see a Smart TV in action, it's stupid slow and laggy, takes forever to load HD, and I've seen one lock up before where the whole set had to be rebooted before it would work.

    2. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> I've seen Smart TVs and I'm not impressed...stupid slow and laggy, takes forever to load HD, and I've seen one lock up

      Try "Vizio" products. They're pretty solid (and don't do any of this at my house).

    3. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are crazy? You call that "good". Apple's success is proof that the "same function" is not "the same" when the UI is terrible. I am not saying this Sling box is going to be better than a smart TV but there is a reason for all of the other streaming boxes (AppleTV, Google, Amazon, Roku, etc.) and it is because the smart TV's technically have the function, so they can put it on the box, but no one wants to actually use that function. Every one of these boxes outperforms smart TV's and that is why people buy them.

      I have a Vizio TV and have used the smart features when I moved my AppleTV to another TV for a few days. The functions "work" but are not adequate to actually use on a daily basis. I literally bought another Apple TV to not have to deal with the terrible Vizio interface.

    4. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I've seen Smart TVs and I'm not impressed...stupid slow and laggy, takes forever to load HD, and I've seen one lock up

      Try "Vizio" products. They're pretty solid (and don't do any of this at my house).

      Those were the worst offenders of crappy interface and super slow, laggy BS. It is a Walmart product after all...Just sayin'

    5. Re: Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My newest Samsung 4K tv (this year's model) has a pretty good interface that I like better than the newer Roku. However, streaming with Hulu does start slower, and apps do hang up about once a month. Happily, it seems to have a watchdog timer or something, and will eventually restart itself without me needing to unplug it. So, progress is being made.

      But I'll likely buy another Roku for that TV in a year or so just so things will get updated - and so I can have a consistent interface regardless of the room I'm in. :)

    6. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 2

      Well for one thing, the Sling application is absolute garbage on every single platform it has ever been ported to. So maybe having dedicated hardware would actually make it usable?

    7. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been trying to solve this conundrum of how to create a TV that would let my technologically impaired elder be able to get to Netflix without having to change remotes or modes on the TV.

      Been thinking about using an Alexa and an microcrontroller to be able to turn voice commands into IR pulses for the TV to do it. But this is not simple.

      Why can't one of these Roku's or whatever just have a mode where they can control the damn cable channels, so that TV looks just like another app.

      Hulu is not the answer..

      I'm getting my hopes up that maybe Sling has this figured out. Shame that her apartment uses Comcast and won't supply the X2 service.

    8. Re:Congratulations! You invented...the smart TV! by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Get a Logitech harmony. It would be a single button press to switch between the Roku and live TV. You can even name the activities Netflix and TV.

  5. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" conten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dish had it first...fyi. :-)

  6. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we first decided to cut the cord, this is EXACTLY what we were looking for and could not find. I'm tired of switching between some devices for some content and then other devices for others. The big limitation of this device is it's proprietary, not open to developers, and won't play the gobs of Apple content that I have purchased and share on my home network. What I really want is an Apple TV with an over-the-air tuner. Apple won't do anything innovative any more so fat chance of seeing that.

    1. Re:Finally by yzf750 · · Score: 1

      Get the Channels app and a Silicon Dust HD Homerun.

  7. "set-top" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they call it a "set-top" box when nobody has called it a TV set let alone built one you could set a box on top of in at least 40 years?

    1. Re:"set-top" by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm not even 40 and I have two TVs in the house that a "set-top" box could sit on top of. One I received in college, the other I bought myself shortly after. Neither are my main TV anymore because they aren't 1080, but they are still in good condition and use. About 15 years old tops.

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  8. TIVO Bolt / Roamio OTA already do this by OSULugan · · Score: 2

    You can use the TIVO Bolt (not Bolt+) or the Roamio OTA with an OTA antenna. It also connects to Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, etc. and allows you to search for content across all of these platforms. In fact, you can setup a OnePass that will list available streaming options for a show across the variety of content providers, as well as record any broadcast of that show and present it all for you in one place.

    1. Re:TIVO Bolt / Roamio OTA already do this by enjar · · Score: 1

      I was going to make a similar comment but you posted first. I've owned some model of TiVo since Series 1, and are currently running a Series 3 and Premiere in our house. Both happily consume OTA content, and the Premiere has OnePass and connections to pretty much every online streaming service. We paid up front for Lifetime service on both devices, and I've had to replace a few hard drives and power supplies over the years, but those replacement parts are readily available through WeaKnees and very easy to install. We cut the cable subscription in 2010 and haven't really looked back. OTA stuff is happily recorded, the UI is very easy to use and they just sit there, year after year, doing their thing.

      It's fairly easy to find used TiVos with lifetime subscriptions on Craigslist for pretty short money, too. They are transferable to the new owner with a quick phone call. There are some edges cases along the years where OTA inputs don't work for one reason or another, but there's plenty of documentation of each model to figure out which ones do and do not work without an antenna.

    2. Re:TIVO Bolt / Roamio OTA already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a Tivo OTA owner as well, and while I like the device, it's missing a SlingTV app. If all you want is OTA w/ DVR + Netflix/Amazon, then it's great. But the lack of SlingTV support forces me to keep a second streaming device (Roku, etc.) running.

  9. Is this new? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Until now, you've typically needed a separate over-the-air TV tuner device (like Nuvyyo's Tablo DVR) if you wanted local live programming wrapped in a slick interface.

    What, like the Freeview+ box I've had for two years, which has BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Wuaki, YouTube, Curzon and several other on-demand services that I've never heard of installed on it, as well as being able to receive over-the-air channels?

    catering to those determined to leave cable and satellite behind.

    I don't know about the US, but "cord-cutting" doesn't mean discarding satellite on the other side of the pond. We've got Freesat here, 200+ channels free-to-air beamed down from space.

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    1. Re:Is this new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cutting the cord" does not mean literally going out and cutting a cord. I don't know where you have been but it has always meant dropping satellite too. It means no longer subscribing to a package of simultaneous broadcast TV channels.

      Satellite uses a different medium to transfer the data but it is the same thing as cable in function - slap a different logo on the TV Guide and you wouldn't know if you were using cable or satellite.

      "Cord cutting" is when you either subscribe to zero paid media services or a limited number of cheaper on demand streaming alternatives (Netflix).

    2. Re:Is this new? by tepples · · Score: 1

      We've got Freesat here, 200+ channels free-to-air beamed down from space.

      "Cord cutting" is when you either subscribe to zero paid media services or a limited number of cheaper on demand streaming alternatives (Netflix).

      wonkey_monkey's point is that in Britain, not all satellite TV is "paid media services".

    3. Re:Is this new? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Wait what? How is Freesat completely free? I mean they must be making money somehow right?

  10. Don't force people to rent like level 3 TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is there biggest downfall

  11. My Roku used to do this, but not since the updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, my Roku devices have done this kind of integration for years via cross service search.

    Mine used to, but voice search always only worked on a subset of apps ("channels" in Roku-speak), and now works on even less. For example, if the match is for Amazon prime, it takes you to the Amazon Prime app, but once there, you have to search AGAIN to find the show it supposedly found in the first place. It used to take you straight to the show.

    Until this shit gets sorted, I'm not spending more money on these devices.

  12. Does it record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If this thing doesn't record then it can go fuck itself. Paying a la cart for multiple services is bad enough, but if you can't even record anything to trim out the ever growing number of commercials then fuck them.

    I just love how some OTA apps now make you watch more commercials than if you just paid an MVPD for the shit---and not only that IT'S THE SAME FUCKIN FOUR OR FIVE COMMERCIALS CONSTANTLY ARRRRGGGHHHH.

    1. Re:Does it record? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Sling silently dropped all support for their previous products (Slingbox) in the hopes of getting people to move to Sling TV. I wouldn't trust them even if it could record. (It can't, by the way.)

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    2. Re:Does it record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's from Sling, so you'll have to watch ads before you can watch the commercials that you have to watch to get to the show that you lost interest in because of the last half hour of commercials. And then they'll add in a few more ads when they aren't making enough money from the boxes.

  13. Low bar by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It would have to be an extremely compelling "experience" at an even more compelling price point to get any traction.

    Compared to the "experience" offered on most TVs, home theater receivers and blu ray devices that is a pretty low bar to clear. I have a smart TV, Apple TV, Roku, and blu-ray and all of their streaming experiences are pretty much terrible.

    I'm also still waiting for someone to have a well designed stateful universal remote that actually knows what state the device it is controlling is. Virtually all remotes currently are one way remotes that have to guess at what the device they are controlling is doing. I have a Logitech Harmony and the fact that it is stateless is more than a little annoying. I'm constantly fixing things when it turns off a device that was supposed to be on (or vice-versa).

    1. Re:Low bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood the appeal of the Harmony remotes, especially because of their flawed state system. If the remote can't determine the current state of the components, why try to keep track of them? Oops, my dog walked in front of the blu-ray player when I tried to turn it on, I'll just hit the power button again to fix that. Or go go through a troubleshooting sequence when a Harmony remote gets confused because it assumes that I'm too stupid to be able to figure out more than one button. Unfortunately, most people are that stupid, so the Harmony remotes won the war. Just like Sling, which outlasted the competition and then turned to shit. We can't have nice things because people will inevitably gravitate toward crap that kills off everything else.

    2. Re:Low bar by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Most consumer grade electronic devices do not report their state so even remotes that have the ability wouldn't be able to tell either. I'm sure the feature is finally trickling down since home automation is now taking off but unless you have endless disposable income you're probably OK with pressing the button a couple extra times. Even prosumer and commercial devices generally only report their state via serial (RS-232) connection. With almost all TV's now coming with network connectivity IR needs to ride off into the sunset IMHO but legacy equipment will be with us for decades.

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    3. Re:Low bar by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Devices have no way of transmitting their state back to the remote so how are they supposed to do it?

      If the device has dedicated power on, power off, and separate input signals the remote will already send the correct signals to put the device in the correct state with one press of the help button. If that doesn't work it will walk you through steps to get it straighten out.

      You can always hit the devices button, select the component to control. And then send the command from there if you don't want to use the help system.

    4. Re:Low bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Devices have no way of transmitting their state back to the remote so how are they supposed to do it?

      They don't need to do it at all - it is completely unnecessary and creates as many problems as it solves. The only device in the chain that is capable of observing states is the human operator, so why not leave that job to the human? Devices have physical buttons on them, there are other remotes, and signals can be blocked. The assumption that one specific remote is in complete control is the central flaw here. You can either try to force reality to match the assumption, or you can just worth within the constraints of the existing reality. And really, you don't need to change the troubleshooting process all that much (if at all) if you assume that states are unknown. So what's the benefit again? Oh no, I might have to remember to push the power button after switching an input. Or I can just program a macro to do that if it's a device that is powered off when not in use. I might need to think when using and/or programming my remote, which I understand is beyond the capabilities of most people. But when Harmony remotes kill off the more useful alternatives, thinking is no longer an option.

    5. Re:Low bar by ezelkow1 · · Score: 1

      It just sounds like the previous poster needs to fix his harmony configuration. Ive been using a harmony for ~10 years with no issues, once you get it programmed properly. In a complicated setup its a godsend as well. Being able to hit one button to drop an electric screen, turn on projector, turn on reciever, turn on stb/media player, and set it all to the right inputs is great. Plus being able to hit one button to swap between media player and stb and being able to power it all off with one push, plus having customizable interfaces based on the activity your doing lets you put exactly what you use most right in front of you

    6. Re:Low bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That all sounds like the bare minimum functionality I would expect from any programmable universal remote. It is great, but hardly unique to the Harmony line.

    7. Re:Low bar by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      You are aware you don't need to configure activities and can just use the Harmony remote as a standard universal remote. You can think and manually power on your devices and change inputs to your heart's content.

      The rest of us will enjoy having convenience and just have things work with a button press. In an old setup, I had an audio receiver but I didn't want to use it for basic stuff on TV like the news. I was able to program a macro that with a single button press would turn on the AVR, then enter the DVR's menu and switch the audio mode that was several levels deep, so I only had sound from the AVR, not both it and the TV. Sure I could have done that every time, and I could have trained the wife, but why?

    8. Re:Low bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are aware that other universal remotes support macros, right? And that they can be fully customized in any way you could possibly want without requiring an Internet connection, special software, or the collection of user data for marketing purposes. Nothing you have described is a particularly novel capability for a universal remote, the only thing that makes the Harmony special is the requirement to connect to the Internet to program the remote. Apparently that was enough to dominate the consumer universal remote control market, killing off many more flexible alternatives.

    9. Re:Low bar by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      I am aware, I also remember having a book of codes I had to go through trying to get my devices to react to those remotes.

      Sure those remotes worked, but so did horses pulling buggies. Sure there are some people who are Luddites, but most of us moved on to the superior option.

  14. Re: My Roku used to do this, but not since the upd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a swift kick to the groin ready and waiting for whoever failed to implement deep linking in that search app. Grumble search twice grumble.

  15. The point wasn't for someone else to control my TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cordcutters already have whatever box they want. The last thing they want is another one.

  16. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats on sticking it to The Man but you're still just wasting your time with nonsense any way you slice it.

    Cut the cord in a much more meaningful fashion. You'll be better off for it.

  17. A set-top box that is *also* a Netflix client? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

    OMFG, that's so innovative and new!

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    1. Re:A set-top box that is *also* a Netflix client? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the Bluetooth to dildo tie-in!

  18. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" conten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong, Tivo had it first.

  19. Box-free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer uTorrent with my new.showrss.info account and 5 bucks for a VPN.
    It downloads everything automatically without intervention.

    It has everything and I don't need any boxes, dishes or Netflix/hulu memberships.

  20. An easier way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can do all of this with an HDHomeRun, which will play stand-alone on many smart TV's, and has apps for practically every platform you can think of. Combine it as you will with services of your choice, and put it anywhere in your house, not just connected to the TV. This is especially useful for cutting the total cable length, which can help pull in fringe channels.

    If you're the tinkering type, you can also do the same thing with a RPi running TVHeadend and a couple of USB tuners. This offers mongo power features, but here in north america the cost of the two tuners is more than a HD HomeRun, now that the kWorld is no longer available.

  21. Plex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless it can run a Plex client ima not interested, k thx bye.

  22. Tivo already did it by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    Uhh, you don't have to "jump between devices or apps" on a Tivo either... Rather, you get the shows listed in your main program layout, then once you play, sure, it would have to launch netflix.. I highly doubt this is any different..

  23. Re: OTA programming + a la carte "premium" conten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you smoking? Comcast and Turner have horrrrrible customer service ratings due to thier knowledge they have a monopoly in most areas they operate. And they have tons of monthly reoccurring fees. Your avaerage triple play with boost in our area has your cable bill over $200....

    Conversely the SlingTV app has horrible reviews about messed up glitchy streaming content. Otherwise I would have already signed up and streamed from my Xbox one.