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Congressional Report Claims Snowden In 'Contact With Russian Intelligence' (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNN: Edward Snowden has been in contact with Russian intelligence officials since arriving in Russia in 2013, according to a new report from Congress. "Since Snowden's arrival in Moscow, he has had, and continues to have, contact with Russian intelligence services," the 33-page report, issued Thursday by the bipartisan House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked volumes of information on American intelligence and surveillance operations to the media, settled in Moscow after initially traveling to Hong Kong following his 2013 public disclosure of classified information. The Russian government granted asylum to Snowden shortly thereafter. Large portions of the pertinent section, entitled "foreign influence," are redacted, but one paragraph reveals the Russian link, saying that Frants Klintsevich, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's defense and security committee, "publicly conceded that 'Snowden did share intelligence' with his government." Snowden immediately took to Twitter following the report's release to dispute the accusations, writing "they claim without evidence that I'm in cahoots with the Russians." The report cites classified material in the section linking Snowden to Russian intelligence. The investigation also noted that Snowden left encrypted hard drives containing classified information in Hong Kong and that the CIA had refused to grant Snowden access to sensitive information years before he began working with the NSA, documenting numerous issues that Snowden had with supervisors and co-wokers during his various jobs in the intelligence community.

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  1. Just the US policy backfiring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you take everything from a whistle blower but the information they have, your enemies become the only ones they have anything to give in exchange for safety.

  2. In other news, water is wet by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm trying to figure out how this is news. Snowden was granted asylum by the Russian Government. Naturally there will be some kind of interview process that includes intelligence officials even if such interviews are conducted in the least confrontational way possible.

    The more telling part is that if it's true that the CIA actively refused to grant him access to information (ie, evaluated and made a choice, versus simply not granting access as the default policy) and he was later granted that access by the NSA as a different employer, then perhaps there needs to be better protocols for how the various agencies determine risk.

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  3. This is why by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    we will never be rid of fake news.

    It's far too useful to some folks when they need to sway public opinion on something. The truth be damned.

  4. Duh! by klingens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any soviet defector will be in contact with US intelligence aka FBI until the rest of his life, even if he never ever sees them or speaks to them
    That's their fscking JOB to monitor former agents of another country. So Snowden has no influence whatsoever that he is under permanent surveillance of a counterintelligence agency. Snowden telling them "I was subcontracted to the NSA" is "intelligence", nothing surprising about that.

  5. Paging Captain Obvious by c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Were they thinking that Russian intelligence agencies would forget Snowden was in their country, or that they wouldn't keep tabs on him.

    Or were they thinking that someone granted asylum would casually blow off representatives of the country giving him asylum?

    Or do they just think people are so stupid that they'll think this was somehow a shocking revelation?

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    1. Re:Paging Captain Obvious by nightcats · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed, and the falsifications in that report are almost too numerous to count, but Ed gave it a try.

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  6. Snowden is a patriot by negRo_slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know the red scare is back in vogue with the powers that be but all I see here is a convenient smear against a man who has acted in good faith every step of the way.

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    1. Re:Snowden is a patriot by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Informative

      From this link:

      The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of disloyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution.

      There are plenty of other examples. To commit treason, there must be an Enemy. For an Enemy to exist, war must be declared.

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  7. Extra confusing.. by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly what does Snowden have to do with Wikileaks, which released the emails leaked to them by the DNC insider and those phished from Podesta's gmail account?

    And just what did they think would happen to an NSA whistleblower who got stuck in Russia after the USA cancelled his passport? It's doubly ironic when the NSA watchdog who said that Snowden should have come to him was fired for retaliation against whistleblowers.

    This isn't exactly new. The fact that they had to dig up something this old to push tells you they've got nothing.

    1. Re:Extra confusing.. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly what does Snowden have to do with Wikileaks, which released the emails leaked to them by the DNC insider and those phished from Podesta's gmail account?

      ...The fact that they had to dig up something this old to push tells you they've got nothing.

      It tells you the media is still going through the grief/straw grasping stages

    2. Re:Extra confusing.. by bigwheel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here you go...

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      "A Wikileaks envoy today claims he personally received Clinton campaign emails in Washington D.C. after they were leaked by 'disgusted' whisteblowers - and not hacked by Russia.

      Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, told Dailymail.com that he flew to Washington, D.C. for a clandestine hand-off with one of the email sources in September.

      'Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,' said Murray in an interview with Dailymail.com on Tuesday. 'The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.' "

    3. Re:Extra confusing.. by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Informative

      > purportedly phished

      At least for the Podesta emails, we have good reason to believe that. I've covered this several times previously in comments, but we have some pretty good evidence when you line things up with the timing of it:

      * A spear phishing email to Podesta conveniently dated not long before the dump ends.
      * The stats page for the bit.ly phishing link says the link was used twice in the right time frame.

      Slashdot finally covered this story via thehill.com, some weeks after I had already dissected it in comments and in that they appear to admit to getting phished, blaming it on a "typo" (which is highly suspect, but whatever).

      I'd write more submissions about this sort of thing, but there appears to be an organized effort going around marking anything they don't like as "SPAM" in the firehose (like this), as I've also seen happen abusively to other submissions on this site. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tagging herbal viagra ads as 'binspam', not stories I disagree with. I'd much rather disagree with someone openly than sneak around and try to hide inconvenient facts. If the facts stop agreeing with me, I'd much rather start rethinking my positions than playing blame games.

      Finally, for those having trouble keeping all the dumps straight, I left this comment some time ago that will help to clarify. There have been a lot of dumps and there are some people who like to confuse and conflate these issues.

    4. Re:Extra confusing.. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've read through comment sections on forums that did allow editing after the fact and there is the potential for dishonesty there (e.g., "Disqus").

      Commenter A: Santa Claus does not exist!
      Commenter B: You are a cad! Santa Claus most definitely does exist!
      Commenter A: [after changing his post] Idiot! When did I ever say otherwise! Can't you read?!

  8. who else? by xfizik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who else could guarantee his safety? If it wasn't for Russian intelligence he would probably have been kidnapped and taken back to the US in the trunk of a foreign diplomat's car. In one piece if he's lucky.

  9. Continued Smear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is more from the smear report they released a few months ago.
    Barton Gellman (one of the reporters that received the full Snowden Archive) investigated the report the first time and concluded it's full of provable lies and smears.
    https://tcf.org/content/commentary/house-intelligence-committees-terrible-horrible-bad-snowden-report/

  10. Typical govenment investigation by Revek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First you decided the outcome then you sculpt the investigation to match all preconceptions.

  11. Just in: "Mistakes were made" -- HPSCI by Khopesh · · Score: 4, Informative
    @Snowden just tweeted:

    "Mistakes were made:" Less than 24 hours after releasing report claiming I lied, HPSCI is walking back its report. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-12-22/in-declassified-edward-snowden-report-committee-walks-back-claims-about-intentional-lying

    From that link:

    In Declassified Edward Snowden Report, Committee Walks Back Claims About 'Intentional Lying'

    The House Intelligence Committee in September issued a three-page document alerting the public that information from its two-year investigation of former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden had turned up evidence that Snowden was a “serial exaggerator and fabricator” who exhibited a “pattern of intentional lying.”

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  12. Snowden is a Russian spy! by alexo · · Score: 3, Funny

    He is also a terrorist, a pedophile, a pirate, a Muslim and a Mexican.

    (Did I miss anything?)

  13. Re:Perhaps but considering his situation... by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Congress has no reason to take Snowden at his word."

    How so? Snowden has shown himself to be more honest and ethical than the intelligence bureaucracy which is smearing him.

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  14. For more, try reading about the CIA's history.... by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That evidence has been discussed and it's scant. That group was paid by the DNC to do this assessment. The evidence they present is:

    * Some IPs are claimed as Russian / used in other attacks (why would Russian intelligence put the staging server in Russia and not some random hosting provider?)
    * The RATs are claimed to be Russian (but other people point out that you can get them on various underground forums... something I don't believe they ever addressed).
    * There was some other hack against some other government servers. As if independent hackers don't do such things. Because of course I'm not old enough to remember back when people were doing silly things like hacking NASA to look for evidence of aliens and whatnot.

    Moreover, even if you somehow proved the hack part, that doesn't show us who Wikileaks' source is. They could've been owned by multiple parties, including insiders.

    Finally, it simply doesn't matter. Frankly, I welcome any hacks that make it difficult for our leaders to conspire against the people.

    Feel free to do the same in Russia. Helping them make the government less corrupt by exposing internal corruption is far more moral than shooting Russian diplomats and making ISIS hand signs and ranting about Aleppo. Russia seems to think that Saudi Arabia & Qatar stand to benefit from that one (coincidentally, both are big donors to the Clinton Foundation). Turkey thinks it's that cleric in exile in the USA who they blame for trying to start a coup there. Obama happened to vow revenge on Russia a few days before.

    I really hope that's all just coincidental, but it feels like some serious crap is going on behind the scenes that we won't find out the true extent of until people read about it in history books 100 years from now.

  15. Re:So, President Snowden? by Bartles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trump didn't lose by 2.9 million votes either. He won by ~70 electoral votes.