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Russians Used Malware On Android Devices To Track and Target Ukraine Artillery, Says Report (reuters.com)

schwit1 quotes a report from Reuters: A hacking group linked to the Russian government and high-profile cyber attacks against Democrats during the U.S. presidential election likely used a malware implant on Android devices to track and target Ukrainian artillery units from late 2014 through 2016, according to a new report released Thursday. The malware was able to retrieve communications and some locational data from infected devices, intelligence that would have likely been used to strike against the artillery in support of pro-Russian separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine, the report from cyber security firm CrowdStrike found. The hacking group, known commonly as Fancy Bear or APT 28, is believed by U.S. intelligence officials to work primarily on behalf of the GRU, Russia's military intelligence agency. The implant leveraged a legitimate Android application developed by a Ukrainian artillery officer to process targeting data more quickly, CrowdStrike said. Its deployment "extends Russian cyber capabilities to the front lines of the battlefield," the report said, and "could have facilitated anticipatory awareness of Ukrainian artillery force troop movement, thus providing Russian forces with useful strategic planning information."

101 comments

  1. And an airliner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    With civilians! Way. To. Go!

    1. Re: And an airliner! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You referring to the dutch boeing shot down by a ukro-nazi jet? That one was staged by the CIA, who quickly classified all the evidence and would not reveal it. Self-incriminating evidence that they are trying hard to pin on russia.

  2. I don't worry about the Russians. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't worry about the Russians because my president and my favorite presidential candidate told us that worrying about them was foolish.

    "The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years." - (President) Obama

    "It's somewhat dated to be looking backwards." - (Presidential Candidate) Clinton

    Also, my president is friends with the Russians and working to advance their interests in his last term. Why would they want to harm us?

    "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility." - Obama

    "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir." - (Russian President) Medvedev

    1. Re:I don't worry about the Russians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is some class A confusion sowing right there. I read it three times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.

      Say, how much is Putin paying these days for this sort of thing? I'd like to get into the act on my named account.

    2. Re: I don't worry about the Russians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All conservatives are confused. They don't know logic or science. They sure believe in magic fairies though

    3. Re:I don't worry about the Russians. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> I still have no idea what you're trying to say

      The Democrats didn't worry about the Russians until...they needed a distraction in the 2016 election. And for some reason, they're still whining about them instead of cleaning up their own party.

      Alternatively, Democrats should perhaps learn the most important lesson of ethics and morality: if you don't want the world to know about your shady shit...don't do shady shit. :)

    4. Re: I don't worry about the Russians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you obviously never lived through any part of the cold war, keep your opinions on how the two parties have historically behaved towards Russia to yourself.

    5. Re: I don't worry about the Russians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F'ing millenials wanting to believe that everyone's their friend because "Who wouldn't like them?", they're so famn F'ing awesome. Well I can tell you that I can remember going through the bomb drills in school. And having nuclear bomb shelter signs visible just about everywhere. And I came on the very tail end of the cold war.

    6. Re: I don't worry about the Russians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The implicit statement in your post is that everyone is either a friend of the US, or an enemy. There is no in-between.

  3. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guys... we're going to need more tinfoil.

  4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya, speaking of spreading rumors, you would know wouldn't you anon. Maybe she burned them on the deal, Putin hates Hillary, he has done nothing to hide that.

  5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Damn Hillary was in charge of 9 different government agencies? Wait no you are spreading fake news.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/26/the-facts-behind-trumps-repeated-claim-about-hillary-clintons-role-in-the-russian-uranium-deal/
    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/sep/30/donald-trump/nuclear-claim-donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-ga/

    The State Department was one of nine agencies comprising CFIUS, which vets potential national security impacts of transactions where a foreign government gains control of a U.S. company. It was established by Congress in 2007 after the controversy over the planned purchase of seaports by a company in United Arab Emirates. The other agencies were the departments of Treasury, Defense, Justice, Commerce, Energy and Homeland Security, and two White House agencies (Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and Office of Science and Technology Policy).

  6. Stupidy of using consumer software and hardware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hope that the US is not stupid enough to use consumer vetted software and hardware for mission critical applications. You would think that the military in the Ukraine would be a little more savvy and lock stuff down but I guess it just goes to show how ridiculous using systems that are not meant to be secure really is. Then again one could create all sorts of easy hack honey pot decoy devices and use them to spread disinformation just as easily. So Microsoft has its place in the armed forces I guess.

  7. Man! It just doesn't stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A hacking group linked to the Russian government and high-profile cyber attacks against Democrats during the U.S. presidential election

    The only thing that's high are the idiots who keep pushing this bullshit. The democrats lost because they suck. Get over it! Let's hope they lose even more in '18. Fuck them, and you morons who keep printing this crybaby stuff. Suck it up, bitches!

    1. Re: Man! It just doesn't stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We won with the poorly educated. I love the poorly educated."
      -- Trump

    2. Re: Man! It just doesn't stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fucking poorly educated, why do they even get a vote?
      Wait, are we talking about poorly educated minorities (a tragedy) or poorly educated white people (stupid racists who deserve it)?

    3. Re: Man! It just doesn't stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about just "Poorly educated" rather than splitting hairs. In sure that if the minority poor were educated, it would be so much of a tragedy, and if the racist poor were educated, then they wouldnt be so racist. Either way, there's much less Trump love, and we'd probably have a far stronger country

  8. Re:Stupidy of using consumer software and hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFA (I know, I shouldn't) doesn't say anything at all about what application the Ukrainians were using.

    They could have been using the phones to post "Hai mom, here's my kannernz LOLeleventyone" on basefuck.

    Hang on, it does. Disregard that, I suck cocks.

  9. Huh? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Russia isn't invading and attacking Ukraine, as Putin has been saying for over two years now, why would Russian artillery be targeting Ukrainian artillery in Ukraine?

    I guess when you've lost over 2,000 soldiers during your invasion, and the weekly shipments of cargo 200 keep crossing into your country, it becomes time to drop the facade of the charade and just admit the truth you've been denying.

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      You do realize that if Russia invaded Ukraine it would be Georgia all over again. It would literally be over in a few days. Also, Russia is a nation with one of the most advanced and active space programs, I am sure they have plenty of satellites that can detect artillery units far more accurately.

      But whatever feeds your russophobia ;)

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      You do realize that if Russia invaded Ukraine it would be Georgia all over again

      Well, let's see - Putin already admitted to invading Crimea, so you must be talking about the Donbas. Here's an active duty Russian (Buryat) soldier talking about how he and his tank battalion invaded Ukraine, where he sustained horrific injuries. He was telling his story openly in the Russian papers; afterwards, his mom started complaining that the Russian military is refusing to provide his family with benefits. Here's VICE tracking down another active duty Ukraine invader, in Russia. Here's the download link for the Nemtsov report, detailing loads of evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, up to early 2015 (when Nemtsov was murdered right in front of the Kremlin): http://4freerussia.org/putin.w...

      Russia is a nation with one of the most advanced and active space programs

      Read up on the dependence of Russian aviation, space, and military companies on Ukrainian parts (incidentally, the top people in the Soviet space program were Ukrainian). That's one of the reasons that Russia invaded Ukraine - they've been disassembling defense factories in Lugansk and Donetsk, and shipping them back to Russia.

    3. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Russia is a nation with one of the most advanced and active space programs"
      If you believe this BS you probably believe all the Russian soldiers killed or captured just happened to be on vacation. Russia is valiantly trying to show the world how strong Russia is but all they really manage to do is carpet bomb Aleppo into rubble and then bombing the rubble until bounces. The world has given Russia a free pass on their military actions in the Ukraine and Syria which is tantamount to approving Putin's actions. I'm thinking the Ukraine government is regretting handing over their nuclear arsenal for promises on pieces of paper. Maybe the US can ratchet up the fun by giving them a few nukes to make up for allowing their sovereignty to be violated.

      The US has accomplished it's goal of dragging Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and all the various groups comprised of psychopaths into the flaming quagmire other wise known as the ME. The US can now back out of the ME and let the chaos take it's course. Hopefully it will become so bad that even China has to get involved to preserve it's number one supplier of oil. The madness in Syria is just a preview of the growing carnage and chaos as the US steps away from the various conflicts taking place all of the world and let others deal with their on problems for a change.

      If Russia wants to keep poking the tiger in the cage, otherwise known as the US,he best get a longer stick. The US can strangle the Russian economy and the oligarchs running it without breaking a sweat. The state of California has a higher GDP than Russia. And the US is now capable of influencing the global price of oil The US has the power to deny countries access to the global capital and investor services. Just ask the Iranians if US sanctions can devastate their economies.

    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia doesn't need to invade the Ukraine, and they are smart enough not to. Informal assistance, all (im)plausibly deniable, that's all Russia wants. They need Ukraine to be weak and divided. Russia attempts this with every nation on it's border, though we need to be clear that Russia is flexible in how it achieves it's regional aims.

      Ultimately Russia wants the nations surrounding it to be one of these things:

      1). Openly and staunchly pro-Russian;
      2). Intimidated enough to be neutral;
      3). Internally fractured and divided, if there is any hint of anti-Russian sentiment;
      4). Fearful of Russia, if they are pro-West, anti-Russian, or pro-anything but Russia;

      Nor does Russia always get it's way on these matters. However their behavior is clear enough to reveal Russian aims. They want compliant, or neutral, or weak states on their borders. The only neighbors they haven't succeeded with, to my knowledge (and off the top of my head) are Iran and China.

    5. Re:Huh? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call the economic sanctions a total free pass.

      There's very little else to do though, apart from more sanctions and more bombs. What they should do really would be to hack russian newspapers, obviously.

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    6. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you condemn torture by ukro nazi who manufacture "confessions" out of russian natives of those separatist regions in Donetsk?
      You stupid faggot - back to your cock sucking business, don't waste time, as the nlgger prepares to depart.

    7. Re:Huh? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Playing devil's advocate, I guess they would be defending Crimea and other Russia territory from attacks over the border.

      Putin has had an incredible couple of years. Got Crimea back, got involved in Syria and seems to have resolved it to a greater extent than the west was able to (even if he is doing it with Assad), and installed his choice of leader in the White House. That least one is going to really pay off in the coming years. Trump's administration will reduce US involvement overseas, while removing sanctions and doing deals to boost the Russian economy.

      Putin saw a great opportunity and took full advantage of it, risking a great deal and ultimately having it pay off handsomely. Seems like everyone was too worried about China and underestimated Russia.

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  10. Next: There Was No Tea Tax! by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Funny

    In 1773, the Russians hacked the mail ships and inserted the message that there was to be a Tea Tax.

    The American revolution was an error!

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    Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
    1. Re:Next: There Was No Tea Tax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look how that worked out though.

  11. Re:Why? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why would the Russians, who are close allies with Hillary since she sold them a chunk (20%) of the US uranium deposits for a simple donation to the Clinton Foundation

    The State Dept. was one of nine agencies who reviewed the deal. And Clinton wasn't even the State Department person who sat on the committee who reviewed it.

    And the biggest donor didn't even have a financial stake in the company in question at the time he donated to the Clinton Foundation.

    and the fake news sites (CNN, etc) are so relentless on spreading this rumor without any evidence.

    Yes imagine, someone spreading rumours of corruption without evidence.

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  12. Just wait for the next whiz kid by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

    to pump out a totally cloud-based artillery targeting app for your smartwatch that sends your exact coordinates in a GET request to jquery.com.

    Yeesh.

    When I was in the NSA museum, they had a little placard in their Enigma exhibit that said that the US and British kept the details of Turing's work classified well into the 60's because a lot of countries were still using Enigma. For some reason I thought of that now.

  13. Don't do this cool thing by bosef1 · · Score: 1

    This is why the bring-your-own commercial device idea doesn't work for many Defense and Government activities. I realize it sounds really cool to be able to direct artillery fire with your smartphone. But think about all the buggy applications you have on your smartphone... do you really want to be sending fires data with something that's just going to crash or hang because Candy Crush installed wrong?

    Some other posters seem to be trying to connect this to Hillary Clinton's recent campaign. Really, the easy link it to compare it with Hillary's private e-mail server. Aside from the whole "don't circumvent the FOIA" thing, this is another why we don't want you doing public business on private servers. Government data is going to be attacked by government operators, if only to see what they can get away with. So it needs to be known so we can give it the government-level defense that it needs.

  14. Russia really puts the mal in malware by fishfrys · · Score: 1

    The artillery wasn't even the worst of it. The malware actually sent all searches to Yahoo.

  15. We're all gonna die by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Today, President Elect Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin both announced that they plan to expand their nuclear arsenals. Of course, Trump made his announcement on Twitter.

    Duck and cover, motherfuckers.

    https://youtu.be/snTaSJk0n_Y

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    1. Re:We're all gonna die by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly. The newlyweds are simply combining their assets, so each will have access to more than they did when they were single.

    2. Re:We're all gonna die by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Rather Twitter than CNN or any of the other news propaganda media. The news media does not like Twitter any more unless they are using it for their news stories. Donald Trump, was elected by the people and is telling the people directly what he plans on doing. News media does not like it good!

      Do you hear how moronic you sound? I've been meaning to ask one of you big Trump guys whether you have any inkling of the rank stupidity that you display every time you say something.

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    3. Re:We're all gonna die by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly. The newlyweds are simply combining their assets, so each will have access to more than they did when they were single.

      Well, we know for sure which one is the top and which one is the bottom in that relationship.

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    4. Re:We're all gonna die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah you're the smartest guy in the room aren't you.
      I quake at your awesomeness.

    5. Re:We're all gonna die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary Clinton, and her cronies in the news media have spread so many lies and so much fake news that when genuine news does happen nobody is going to believe it.

      Funny. Fake news is associated with Trump, as he attracts the low-information, poorly educated voters (which is why Trump said, "we love the poorly educated"). Inforwars is pro-Trump. Kremlin propaganda, including Nazis such as Kremlin-linked political philosopher, Dugin, is pro-Trump (do yourself the biggest favor ever, and watch this video of Dugin endorsing Trump). Twitter bots spreading fake news? You guessed it - pro-Trump.

      A couple of fake news writers, who made loads of money generating outrageous BS for Trump fans stated that they tried the same tactic on a Democratic leaning audience, but were making far less money, so they decided not to diversify their operation beyond the "deplorables" crowd.

      Donald Trump, was elected by the people

      He was elected by almost 3 million less people than Hillary. Do go on...

      telling the people directly what he plans on doing

      Like being friendly with Russia, and starting a trade war with China. "Lock her up," "drain the swamp," "deport them" and his other greatest hits seem to be out of favor, however. Unless, by draining the swamp, Trump meant handing over the country to oil execs.

      Russia is feeling dangerously powerful because of it.

      Russia is feeling dangerously powerful because Trump was elected. A member of his team was recently in Moscow, talking about unconditionally lifting sanctions; the purpose of this is to enable companies like Exxon, run by people like Tillerson, to make a few billion dollars, at the expense of Ukrainian and Syrian lives. Trump voters have given the presidency to a sociopath who defends Russia against findings by his own country's security agencies. If Trump voters wanted to sell of their country's sovereignty, for the aggrandizement and financial benefit of the Trump clan: mission accomplished.

    6. Re:We're all gonna die by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Yeah you're the smartest guy in the room aren't you.

      When you and I are the only ones in the room, yes.

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  16. Re:Why? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 4, Funny

    And imagine someone downvoting your informative post. No, wait -- no imagination is necessary, some crank already did exactly that.

  17. Phones by tsotha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would anyone allow soldiers in his command to use cell phones in an active war zone? That seems daft.

    1. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Ukrainian army was systematically undermined (i.e. weapons, planes, navy ships, communications hardware was sold off) during previous administrations, which had all been corrupt to varying degrees. The Yanukovych administration (whose shocking corruption and increasingly authoritarian tendencies would cause a popular revolution) in particular, was systematically disassembling Ukraine's army, probably under Russian guidance. When Russia invaded Crimea, Ukraine was essentially unable to front any sort of response. By the time Russia invaded Donbas, Ukraine's civil society had gotten a makeshift army together, which consisted partly of volunteers (the volunteer units would eventually be integrated into the official army). To compensate for shortfalls in funding and equipment, army staff and engineers had to use ingenuity, which often resulted in less than ideal solutions, especially when considering that they were up against the Russian army, which has some of the best artillery and communications equipment in the world. Basically, the choice was often to use a suboptimal solution, or to use nothing at all, so they used the suboptimal solution - this included using mobile phones for communications, as well as other purposes.

    2. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say it - "Thank you Lenin and Stalin ...

      Is that you fancy bear? So silly.

    3. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I didn't quite make out what you said. Could you please take Putin's dick out of your mouth and repeat that?

    4. Re:Phones by gtall · · Score: 1

      I suppose if you are comparing them to rich Western armies, then yes it is daft. The Ukrainian army is not one of those. I've been there, it is a very poor country. The Soviet system was not kind to it.

    5. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ukraine controlled cellular networks in the area so overall it probably worked to their advantage. There are numerous reports from pro-Russian forces of being targeted by Ukrainian artillery based on their phone signals.

    6. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 25 years since Soviet system disappeared were much less kind.

    7. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Good stuff. You've shown everyone exactly the sort of hyper-nationalist Russian aggression that Ukraine is up against. Actually, you're a pretty mild example of it.

      Crimea is...

      UN committee adopts resolution recognizing Russia as occupying power in Crimea

      A couple of days ago, the world codified the fact that Russia has invaded Crimea, and have all of the legal obligations of an occupying force. You've already taken the Sudetenland, When are you guys going for Poland?

    8. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US Army uses cell phones in active war zones. In Iraq I carried three of them around at all times. They were quite useful for many reasons, including contact with locals, etc. In the past, they've also been found useful for calling in Naval gunfire (see Heartbreak Ridge).

    9. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are stupid Ukros. In any western army one would be sacked for such a reckless behaviour.

    10. Re:Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP is very rude. But she's factually correct on every count. And it makes me sad.

  18. Re:Why? by skids · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have to call it what it is: "Russian Cyber Espionage". This is "Russian cyber espionage" and Trump won't even mention the word, and nor will Rex Tillerson. He won't use the term ‘Russian cyber espionage,’ Now, to solve a problem, you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. Trump won't say the name and Tillerson won't say the name. But the name is there. It's "Russian cyber espionage."

  19. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe your claim that Hillary and the Russians are in cahoots is bullshit?

    Just saying.

    Nah, better go listen to some more Alex Jones. It's probably about the Hollow Earth and keeping Vril from the masses, that's it!

  20. Civilians by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    At least that trick is not going to inflict damages on civilians, and it may even reduce them.

    1. Re:Civilians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's not clear that Russia has any intention to minimize civilian casualties. For one thing, their proxy forces (the DNR and LNR) get paid to fire off a certain amount of salvos, and when they shoot these artillery shells, they often fire pretty indiscriminately. This guy is located in Lugansk, and his Twitter timeline is dedicated to keeping track of the artillery shelling, in case anyone's curious about it. Second, Russia controls all of the media in the occupied territories, and their MO has been to get one of their GRU/FSB-connected "journalists" into an area (there are certain channels, such as LIfeNews, which are particularly linked to Russian security services), have the Russian journalist direct artillery or tank fire into a civilian target, and then present the footage under the guise of "the junta" shelling Donbas civilians - this is intended to foment a local uprising against Ukraine, but it only works on the most gullible individuals, and according to Russian pollsters, most people in Donbas still support Ukraine.

      Possibly two most famous incidents of Russia shelling civilians in Donbas were the Volnovakha bus station bombing (it was an MH17-like situation, where the Russians thought they hit a Ukrainian military target, took credit for it, realized they hit a civilian target, and started fabricating stories that Ukraine did it) and the Mariupol bombing, in which Russia killed at least 29 people, and injured at lest 97. Another famous one was a Donetsk city mortar shelling, which, of course, the Russians tried to pin on Ukraine, until everyone realized that the shelling was done by mortar, the mortar used has a range of a few km, at most, and the nearest Ukrainian position is 20km away; at that point, the Russian terrorists shut up about it. In summary - the only sure way to limit civilian casualties, is to get the Russian invading force off of Ukrainian territory.

    2. Re:Civilians by qaz123 · · Score: 1

      You are such an obvious Ukrainian doing his job. Ukrainian forces are not 20km from Donetsk. They are on its very edge. And don't tell me Ukrainians use only AK-rifles. They use artillery as well mortars. During the war they were shelling separatists who were in the cities among civilians. You are constantly calling separatists "Russians". They are not Russians, they are Ukrainian citizens.
      " until everyone realized". This is a good example of Argumentum ad populum or "appeal to the majority" - a fallacious argument

    3. Re:Civilians by superwiz · · Score: 2

      You are such an obvious Ukrainian doing his job.

      I am sorry, but Russian Federation (not to be confused with "Russia") has lost all credibility after its invasion of Crimea. First, it was occupied by "volunteers" (Putin's own words). And then a "referendum" was held. So the world was asked to believe that a well-organized army units capable of providing logistics and having a well-organized chain of command was able to pull off a "fair election" (print ballots, inform the populus about pros and cons of voting for either side of the vote, verify that each voter was a legal resident registered to vote at the polling place where he voted) within a few weeks. And only then the "official" RF forces marched in and took over? It took RF 10 years to fight the rebels in Chechnya, but rag-tag volunteers organized an election, formed a legal structure to petition RF to take over, and kept the island from erupting in mayhem in 2-3 weeks? Right. We believe in "Ukrainian civil war" about as much as we believe in those "volunteers".

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    4. Re:Civilians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Are you intentionally being obtuse, to make it appear that you have a semblance of an argument? The mortar shelling was 20km from the nearest Ukrainian position, not from Donetsk city limits - there was no way that the Ukrainian army could have gotten anywhere near that position with mortars. You didn't even try to rebut the rest of the points in that post, because you know that they're true. As long as we're on the topic of logical fallacies, let's not omit that you start your post with an ad hominem. You then use a straw man argument, in positing that the post to which you replied may have implied that Ukrainians don't use artillery (the post said no such thing.)

      " until everyone realized". This is a good example of Argumentum ad populum or "appeal to the majority" - a fallacious argument

      No, it isn't. It was a glib expression that intended to convey the notion that even the Russians/DNR/LNR, who are usually thick as fuck, realized that their own side was responsible for that particular shelling of civilians. Perhaps you don't understand that because English isn't your first language; perhaps you're just being a little too desperate in stitching together your attempt at an argument.

      You are constantly calling separatists "Russians". They are not Russians, they are Ukrainian citizen

      Russia's DNR and LNR terrorists generally consider themselves Russian, and their ranks contain an abundance of Russian mercenaries. The lowest estimate I've seen (from DNR sources) is that the DNR/LNR are 30% Russian mercenaries, if you exclude the Russian commanders and regular Russian military that fill their ranks; the highest estimate I've seen (from a Russian ultranationalist DNR commander, and confirmed by an Armenian DNR mercenary) is that they''re 80% Russian. The commanders who issue their orders are Russian, and they function as divisions of the Russian army, so there's nothing wrong with calling them Russian.

      You are such an obvious Ukrainian doing his job.

      Yep, you got it. The cash-strapped Ukrainian government has nothing better on which to spend its money than slashdot posts. It's not Ukraine, but Russia that has an army of trolls, who flood message boards with disinfo. Incidentally, the post to which you responded was +3 Informative, until daylight broke in St. Petersburg, and it got modded down to 0 by your compatriots, who seem to think they have magical powers to determine who is/isn't Ukrainian, but still can't get the hang of using an article properly.

      During the war they were shelling separatists who were in the cities among civilians.

      At what point did anyone say that this doesn't happen? It probably does, as the Russians have a habit of using civilians for human shields, just as Putin promised they would. None of this would be happening if Russia hadn't invaded Donetsk. Your own FSB agent, Strelkov, said that if he hadn't kicked off the war in Donbas (he was sent by Russian security services, under the guise of working for nationalist oligarch Malofeev), there would be no war. He would eventually say that the war has ruined Donetsk, and if he could have known in advance what would happen, he would never have invaded. Russia is responsible for every single war casualty in Ukraine by virtue of being the aggressor nation - can you get that through your thick, nationalist skull?

    5. Re:Civilians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet there is no insurgency in Crimea to oust the evil Russians and instead the Crimeans all happily took Russian passports.... Sounds like a textbook occupation to me what with absolutely zero resistance and the locals greeting the occupiers as liberators and heroes. Zero people died taking Crimea. Sounds like a war to me....

    6. Re:Civilians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet there is no insurgency in Crimea

      It's a side effect of the fact that discontented people in Crimea have a habit of disappearing, with the help of the FSB. Since the Russian occupation, Crimea has become by far, the most repressive place in Europe.

      Crimeans all happily took Russian passports.

      Crimean Resistance to Giving Up Ukrainian Citizenship Seen Forcing Moscow to Make Concessions Russia repeatedly had to move back the date by which residents had to take Russian passports, because so many residents were refusing to take them. People finally started taking Russian passports to avoid being harassed by the Russian occupant authorities, and in order to avoid being denied social services.

      . Zero people died taking Crimea.

      False

      Sounds like a textbook occupation to me

      Which is why the international community recognizes it as such: http://euromaidanpress.com/201....

  21. Fuck you Trumpette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is not my President, he's not the choice of the American people, he's Putin's choice.

    1. Re:Fuck you Trumpette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, American people have voted for the President Trump they way they always did - legally and by the book.

      If you are an illegal migrant from shitty village in pakistan - I suggest you follow your own sworn pledge and move the fuck out, you stupid sand nlgger.

  22. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using the WaPo as a source just doesn't add any credibility to your argument.

  23. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least Trump will say "Islamic Terrorism" when he needs to, and that's why I ended up voting for him. Russian hackers are a trivial threat compared to the rapidly spreading cancer known as radical Islam.

  24. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather have Trump say fucking Islamic Terrorism that murders people... than to be a puffy pussy like you and shit bricks about someone revealing traitor Hillary and her dirty emails. Fuck you.

  25. Re:Why? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Yes it does.

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  26. And in a related story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The United States used malware to sabotage Iranian centrifuges.

    Oh, that's right -- it's only wrong when *they* do it.

  27. To quote a famous YouTube'r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Evidence or STFU and GTFO.

    "A hacking group linked to the Russian government and high-profile cyber attacks against Democrats during the U.S. presidential election likely used a malware implant on Android devices to track and target Ukrainian artillery units..."

    If you RTFA, it is full of "linked to"s, "likely"'s, "support"s, "believed to be"s, etc.

    Put up or shut up -- provide evidence or forever hold your peace.

    1. Re:To quote a famous YouTube'r by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yep, the U.S. should air out all of its secret spy sources and abilities so people like you can get on Slashdot and be satisfied. But you wouldn't believe them even then, would you?

    2. Re:To quote a famous YouTube'r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... when instead it could use that perfect excuse to spread lies and propaganda on an amenable platform like slashdot ...

    3. Re:To quote a famous YouTube'r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can start by providing the source code for the alleged attack so we can tell if there was an attack at all. We have a British ambassador saying he personally met with the DNC leaker, was given the Podesta files on a USB and that he then got on a plane and handed them over to Assange and that there was no hack at all. The least you can do is release the uber secret malware the Russians used so third parties can look at the source. But they cant because there was no malware....

    4. Re:To quote a famous YouTube'r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should we believe the US government without evidence? Is that really what you want to advocate?

  28. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump won't call Russian Cyber Espionage what it is because he says it's a vain attempt to discredit his presidency. Kind of like the Birthers, Mr. Trump? But that's for another day.

    No, the reason behind the reason, is that Trump is simply mad about the Putin! Trump has Putin on his tableware, on his drapes, on his bedspread. I believe that Trump has Putin printed on his underwear. Trump wants to be pals with Putin so bad, he's about to jump on the sofa. After all, Putin is HHhhuuuuggggeee, right?

    If Putin were to give Trump a framed picture of himself (Putin), Trump's heart would go pitter-patter! Nothing weird, not like those topless pictures of Putin doing manly Russian things. No, just something tasteful, with a hint of a Putin smile. A formal print would be best, though informal could work too.

    And it's not weird at all. No siree!

  29. Leonid Bershidsky finds the evidence lacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leonid Bershidsky says it doesn't make sense that Ukranian soldiers would download the software from some internet forum when they normally get it from the developer, and that they likely never used the infected version. He also says it doesn't follow that the GRU is even responsible for the infected version.

  30. South Korean Army also uses them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    South Korean Army does have the official and encrypted communication device, but since it's a large device, almost all troops and officers use smartphones even near the DMZ/near North Korea.

  31. Re:Why? by gtall · · Score: 2

    In fairness, Trump hasn't learned what the term "cyber" means. I hardly think you can then fault him for failing to use it in phrase.

  32. Parent is a troll by waspleg · · Score: 1, Informative

    and a fucking pathetic one at that. It's even more fucking pathetic that this got modded insightful and shows how fucking bad /. has gotten.

    Maybe read some news sometimes. Both the FBI and CIA say it was fucking Russians. What do they have to gain by saying that but animosity from the president-elect? FFS.

    1. Re: Parent is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did russians piss into your cup of latte? Have you even met a russian? You sound unnaturally agitated towards them, almost as if sexually attracted, you homo.

      Why can't you be sexually attracted the same way to a smelly pakistani sand monkey? Those are being imported in droves into america, almost religiously.

    2. Re: Parent is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the parent but, I've traveled the world, I've met Russians both abroad and in the US, mostly I think they suffer from the same affliction that Americans do; A very self centered and egotistical world view. The difference is the the Russians have a huge chip on their shoulder about getting their asses handed to them during the cold war and are trying desperately to make up for it.

    3. Re:Parent is a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* The democrats are such whiny little bitches! This is why they deserved to lose (It wasn't "fake news" or the Russians), and I hope they lose more. The FBI and CIA are just following orders... Until January 20 they still work for a democrat and will do what they are told and say what they are told to say. Are you really that fished in? Still believing in the government's conspiracy theories and other lies ever since 9/11?

  33. He just can't stop lying by vityok · · Score: 1

    Despite all the bravado the idea of a war in Ukraine for whatever reason seems to be unpopular in Russia and around the World.

    Maintaining pretense of non-involvement is good for his domestic agenda and for the agitprop abroad, offering an exit road and to dupe the gullible westerners into lifting sanctions (imposed by the evil Obama and Merkel) and avoid responsibility.

    So, despite everything, he will just keep on lying, about his war in Ukraine, about sectarian-ethnic cleansing facilitated by Russian military in Syria, and about pretty much everything else.

  34. Re:Why? by superwiz · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter how many agencies or individuals were vetting that decision. What matters is which agency was the principal one in giving the decision the legal go-ahead. State department makes those decisions about exporting arms to foreign nations. Other agencies could have been consulted, but the State Department had to make the call. So it's still on Hillary.

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  35. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the fake news sites (CNN, etc) are so relentless on spreading this rumor without any evidence.

    Yes imagine, someone spreading rumours of corruption without evidence.

    So you agree that CNN spreads rumors without evidence?

  36. Re:Why? by abies · · Score: 2

    Radical Islam have been around for so long that the pattern is very clear. They grow and implode on themselves, over and over again.

    Well. Last time it took 1200 years, with good part of Europe ending up in quite bad shape.

    Take a look here (ignore what guy is saying, he might be biased, focus on the map, which is based on facts)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I think that better statement is that Islam was continously expanding in aggresive manner since its founding, but got a hicckup in last 200 years, where it has stopped, lost most of its power and had to regrow. I'm not really looking forward for another 1200 years of fighting...

  37. Ukrainians = poopsicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but once you oust a democratically elected government, you destroy your democracy. All they had to do was wait 1 year and settle their issues in a legitimate election. They would've still had Crimea, east Ukraine, and a functioning country. Nope! Western Ukrainians instead, acting on advise of Nuland, McCain, and Obama, these poosicles had abandoned democracy and installed their chocolate king puppet. Now they got nothing.

    Want a shoulder to cry on? This American ain't got one for you. Fuck off.

  38. Media trying to link this to DNC hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So last night the media was trying to link the Ukrainian army android hack to the DNC hack. On MSNBC they went as far as saying the same program was used to hack the DNC server. I want to know what version of android the DNC was running their server on ? :) I'm thinking the media is totally clueless about anything that doesn't have an apple on the back of it.

  39. WaPo = no credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The same WaPo that sent their articles to Hillary's campaign before printing them, just in case they were saying something Hillary might not want said?

    How does that add credibility? Oh, you probably didn't know about that because CNN told you reading WikiLeaks was illegal for US citizens and that they would report what you should know about them and they failed to report that bit. Of course that is the same CNN that was feeding Hillary debate questions before the debates as well.

    I don't think you realize how badly Hillary and the DNC destroyed mainstream news media.

  40. Yellow press fanatasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No piece of writing that cites Igor Sutyagin's "data" as a reference deserves serious attention.

  41. This is getting very out of control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After hearing reports from the 17 intelligence agencies state that Podesta's hack was done by Guccifer 2.0, you have this fairly unknown group say it was APT 28, then Fancy Bear, and then Honey Bear. I am curious if this Crowdstrike organization, and these supposed 17 intelligence agencies, are ever going to get their narrative correct. Within the wikileaks, you can see John Podesta's email. You can see that he used the web app to access his email through the email source in which his emails show coming directly from google (using the web app) which would have been under very strong encryption and the emails would have never physically been on his computer unless he downloaded an archive. This makes this Russian hack narrative quite false. In fact you can see the link that infected his computer in the phishing scam. Bit.ly. If you do some investigation, the server is a reverse proxy, email, and http server that is still active and sits on the fifth floor of a New York address. If you google earth the building, there is a Verizon shop as well as a few stores, but no signage pointing to this reverse proxy service and it is pretty abstract in its location. The only thing Russian in this whole scenario is that the reverse proxy, email, and http server in New York runs nginx, which is downloadable, opensource Russian software. Anyone could download it and use it. If they continue to push this narrative, they are going to have to provide some pretty strong details on how this all happened, because the media, the intelligence community, and Crowdstrike, are muddling this narrative up so bad that it isn't worth a pile of shit.

  42. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you believe that, then you are either a shill, a fool, or both.

  43. Where is the source code/hacked package? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice press release but if you broke down the package why cant you release the source for all us simple people to look at? Until we get the source this is nothing more than flame and badly done flame at that.

    After the Iraq fiasco I don't believe my own government let alone some "hacking group" composed of who the hell know who to tell me something did or didn't happen. I want hard physical evidence or STFU.

  44. Stupid Ukros use GPS on their unencrypted phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder they are snooped on their position. All it takes is one Stingray in vicinity and... Just ask any tech person about their opinion about using public telecom lines to conduct military business and they will answer you with something like "dancing during darkness with flashing lights attached to their heads." But then, their "president" Chaim Waltzman/Poroshenko bragged about having the best army in the world and offering a helping hand to their western counterparts :-DDDD Probably to commit an act of self-molestation :-))))

  45. Re:Why? by Nehmo · · Score: 1
    I suspect Russia, or more accurately, the Russian companies involved, simply had to deal with the Clintons for the Uranium One purchase. The buyers needed approval from the State Dept., and Hillary had veto power. So Russia donated to the foundation and paid Bill for a speech. Russia probably didn't want to pay the bribes; the bribes simply were a necessary element of the deal.

    Also, although some news stories are casting the Uranium One deal as a national security issue, it really isn't. The Canadian assets were the meat of the deal, and the part ownership in a US uranium processing facility and some mining claims don't amount to much.

    Regarding the DNC email release, which Assange states should not be called a "hack" because that is not necessarily the way the leaking party obtained the emails, it doesn't matter who provided them. Who wrote them and their content are what is important,

    I, personally, believe Seth Rich was the leaker. https://heatst.com/tech/wikile...

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  46. Russians are delusional and barbaric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but once you oust a democratically elected government, you destroy your democracy..

    Yanukovych tried to destroy Ukraine's democracy by passing his Dictatorship Laws, written with the help of Putin and Surkov, modeled on legislation that existed in Terrorussia. Ukrainians saved their democracy (i.e. prevented the country from turning into a Putinist autocracy) through popular revolution. As far as democracy goes, Ukraine ranks extremely favorably compared to other post-Soviet countries, with the exception of the Baltics. Your Russia, on the other hand, is less democratic than Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

    All they had to do was wait 1 year and settle their issues in a legitimate election.

    As usual, you Russians are far too stupid to understand that in that one year, Yanukovych would've dismantled what was left of Ukraine's army, filled Ukraine's security services to the brim with Russian agents, stolen everything that wasn't nailed down, and ensured that he or some proxy would win the next presidential election.

    They would've still had Crimea, east Ukraine, and a functioning country

    The country still functions, and it is finally in the process of getting rid of the last vestiges of Russian influence, which is why dumb animals such as yourself are throwing such a fit. In spite of the war, GDP grew by 2 percent, compared to the same quarter last year; Russia is still in recession, in spite of its natural resources. The world still recognizes Crimea as Ukrainian, and it will be returned in due time (especially since Russia has obliterated Crimea's tourism-based economy) The only thing that the savage Russians had to do to avoid sanctions, avoid turning their country into an international pariah, and avoid recession, was not attack their neighbors. But that was too much to ask.

  47. Russian antisemitism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chaim Waltzman/Poroshenko

    To anyone that doesn't know what this Russian poster is talking about - Russians, being notoriously anti-Semitic, promote the conspiracy theory that Ukraine's President Poroshenko is Jewish, and that his real name is Waltzman. Since antisemitism and Nazism is so prevalent in Russia, Russians consider this to be a smear.

  48. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL? You think Islamic terrorism is fucking funny? You're trash of the worst sort.