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Russian Authorities Are Trying To Unlock iPhone 4S From Russian Ambassador's Killer (techcrunch.com)

The off-duty police officer who killed the Russian ambassador in Turkey was shot by Turkish special forces minutes after the crime. He had an iPhone 4S on him, and now, Haberturk, Turkish authorities asked for Russia's help to unlock the iPhone. From a report: Given that it's an iPhone 4S and it has a 4-digit passcode, it should be quite easy to unlock the device. There are many solutions out there to do this and authorities don't even need to ask for Apple's help. The iPhone 4S is quite old now and it was a much less secure device. First, the iPhone 4S runs iOS 5 to iOS 9, but many iPhone 4S owners didn't update to recent iOS versions. If the device runs iOS 7 or earlier, getting the content of the device is a piece of cake. The content of the device isn't encrypted as Apple started encrypting all data with iOS 8. Authorities can access this data quite easily. Second, if the iPhone is running iOS 8, remember that the iPhone 4S didn't have a Secure Enclave and Touch ID sensor. The Secure Enclave is a coprocessor that utilizes a secure boot process to make sure that it's uncompromized. It has a secret unique ID not accessible by the rest of the phone, Apple or anyone -- it's like a private key. The phone generates ephemeral keys (think public keys) to talk with the Secure Enclave. They only work with the unique ID to encrypt and decrypt the data on the coprocessor.

106 comments

  1. Well by The-Ixian · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you got it all figured out then...

    In other news, somebody in some other country in the world is having a problem connecting to the internet. Did they try turning their computer off and on again?

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    1. Re:Well by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like you got it all figured out then...

      I was just going to say, all they need to do is torture the shooter. Oh, the Turkish Special Forces shot the shooter dead . . . ? Well, then torture his family. They have already been arrested anyway.

      What . . . ? His family members don't know the password . . . ? Well, torture them anyway . . . it will keep the torturers well-practiced in the fine art of torture . . .

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    2. Re:Well by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      If it had a touch sensor all you'd need is to chop his finger off.

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you got it all figured out then...

      I was just going to say, all they need to do is torture the shooter. Oh, the Turkish Special Forces shot the shooter dead . . . ? Well, then torture his family. They have already been arrested anyway.

      What . . . ? His family members don't know the password . . . ? Well, torture them anyway . . . it will keep the torturers well-practiced in the fine art of torture . . .

      Wow, Donald Trump has a strange twitter handle, PolygamousRanchKid?

  2. Call the F.B.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can and will GET ER DONE! Ask Trump for a good word in.

  3. Brute Force? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't the iPhone lock itself after X amount of incorrect attempts making brute force not an option?

    1. Re:Brute Force? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      iPhone 4s - this is the same model that the San Bernardino Jihadists had, and where the FBI took the help of an Israeli company to crack it. The Turks could do the same, rather than risk locking it forever.

      I'm just wondering what they'd do had the Jihadist upgraded to iOS 8 or above, or had the Jihadist had an iPhone 5 or above? Incidentally, was any iPhone recovered from Amri - the Tunisian Jihadist from Berlin who got killed in Milan?

    2. Re:Brute Force? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      iPhone 4s - this is the same model that the San Bernardino Jihadists had, and where the FBI took the help of an Israeli company to crack it. The Turks could do the same, rather than risk locking it forever.

      I'm just wondering what they'd do had the Jihadist upgraded to iOS 8 or above, or had the Jihadist had an iPhone 5 or above? Incidentally, was any iPhone recovered from Amri - the Tunisian Jihadist from Berlin who got killed in Milan?

      San Bernadino phone was a 5C running, IIRC , iOS 8. It had a Secure Enclave chip. Way different.

    3. Re: Brute Force? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1. Clone memory.
      Step 2. Try shit loads of passwords until it locks
      Step 3. Reload original memory
      Step 4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 until unlocked
      Step 5. Profit

      Need anti tamper chips to at least increase level of complexity above junior electronics level.

    4. Re: Brute Force? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5C does not have secure enclave chip.

  4. The Great War by sphealey · · Score: 1

    Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

    sPh

    1. Re:The Great War by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lets make war great again

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    2. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

      sPh

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be China.

    3. Re:The Great War by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I don't think this equates to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

    4. Re:The Great War by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

      sPh

      Huh? I thought Trump hand a man crush on Putin?

    5. Re:The Great War by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      There wont be much left to win.

    6. Re:The Great War by byteherder · · Score: 1

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be China.

      Yes, because the last world war worked out so great for them.

    7. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this - the US, Russia, and China against radical Islam? Humanity wins when we team up and crush those snakes.

    8. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no that kind of war would create a world war.

    9. Re:The Great War by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Unless one or the other succeeds with a decapitation first strike, the US and Russia going to war means the destruction of both. If Russia is destroyed, where would China buy the military technology to use to conquer the rest of the world? If the US is destroyed, where would they get the cash to buy said technology if they did find an alternate source? Global economies are so throughly integrated these days, and nuclear weapons make a decisive WW2-esque victory impossible, that a conflict of World War scale is going to leave the rest of the world hurting pretty bad too.

      Also, wouldn't quite a lot of fallout from Russia land in China? That would not be, as they say, a good thing.

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    10. Re:The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      WWI - Austrian crown prince was assassinated in Sarajevo. Here, Russian ambassador, not Putin himself, got assassinated.

      WWI - Austria suspected Serbia of being behind the assassination, and that triggered a chainreaction in WWI. Here, who would Russia suspect of being behind the assassination? Any Arab country opposed to Assad?

    11. Re:The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I think a part of this - US and Russia - teaming up against Islam - might be what Trump has in mind, which is why he's been selecting foreign policy advisors w/ known ties to Russia

      I agree w/ your premise, but Russia has to oppose the Jihadists of Iran and Hizbullah as well - not just the Sunni Jihadists like the Chechens and Turks. Just like the US has to stop pandering to the Saudis and Qataris

    12. Re:The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If the USA and Russia were destroyed (assuming Yoorp gets splatted too), China could invade pretty much anywhere they wanted with spears.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    13. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG.

      Turks = Jihadists
      Radical Islam = Islam

      General Solution of your equation:

      You = Ignorant

    14. Re:The Great War by skegg · · Score: 1

      Unless one or the other succeeds with a decapitation first strike

      That's where subs come into the picture.

    15. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If China and the USA are going to war, the winner will be Russia.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

      Makes you wonder why the Trump administration is so keen on pissing of China.

    16. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Islam IS Radical Islam. There ain't separate Qurans, or Hadiths, or Tafseers, or Siras that 'Radical Muslims' follow that are different from what other Muslims follow. All the things that ISIS, al Qaeda, Hizbullah, Hamas, Abu Sayyaf, Lashkar e Toiba, Jemiah Islamiah, Boko Haram, et al swear allegiance to are no different from what mainstream Muslims follow, and specifically, do NOT disown. There have been surveys of Muslims worldwide that pretty much reinforce this

      As for Turks being Jihadists, they are remarkably close. First of all, since Erdogan came to power, Turkey has steadily dismantled all the anti-Islamic influences that the army held over the country. Turkey has also been very supportive of ISIS, which is why anybody who wants to join ISIS goes via Gaziantep. Turkey has also been supportive of Saudi-Qatari attempts to oust Assad, and they have opposed blanket condemnations of Jihad. Calling them Jihadists is by no means far fetched

    17. Re:The Great War by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Lets make war great again

      People who think war can be great never fought in one.

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    18. Re:The Great War by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be cockroaches.

      FTFY.

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    19. Re:The Great War by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1
      Wowie. PEOTUS decrypted!

      The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

      In the United States:

      Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

    20. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA and Islam went to war and the winner was China. I really do not understand why people do not see 9-11 as a false flag op.

      In the endless war on terror there were winners and losers.

      Losers:
      Afghanistan, Iraq, and the USA. All three of these countries were either bombed to oblivion or acquired endless streams of debt and loss of freedom. None of them flew a plane into the WTC.

      Winners:
      China, and Russia.

      Why fight the USA militarily when you can have the USA fight an imaginary enemy endlessly and cause them to bankrupt themselves.

    21. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islam IS Radical Islam. There ain't separate Qurans, or Hadiths, or Tafseers, or Siras that 'Radical Muslims' follow that are different from what other Muslims follow.

      Says the guy who has never met an actual muslim in his life.

      Guys like you are ISIS collaborators, telling the world that ISIS is the true islam despite the fact that ISIS has killed 100x more muslims than they have any other group and is reviled by all conventional muslims.

    22. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are no different from what mainstream Muslims follow, and specifically, do NOT disown. There have been surveys of Muslims worldwide that pretty much reinforce this.

      What the hell? Did you even read the article on the other end of your own link?
      It says exactly the opposite of what you claim.

      How do Muslims feel about groups like ISIS?

      Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

      Favorable views of ISIS are somewhat higher in Nigeria (14%) than most other nations. Among Nigerian Muslims, 20% say they see ISIS favorably (compared with 7% of Nigerian Christians). The Nigerian militant group Boko Haram, which has been conducting a terrorist campaign in the country for years, has sworn allegiance to ISIS.

      More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.

      In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

      In many cases, people in countries with large Muslim populations are as concerned as Western nations about the threat of Islamic extremism, and have become increasingly concerned in recent years. About two-thirds of people in Nigeria (68%) and Lebanon (67%) said earlier this year they are very concerned about Islamic extremism in their country, both up significantly since 2013

      Furthermore, in the US the religious group (including atheists) least likely to support terrorism (violence by small groups or individuals against civilians) are muslims.

      Your worldview is toxic and destructive. Stop trying to drag us all into war because of your bigotry.

    23. Re:The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So Hitler had amnesia?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    24. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets recap the current geopolitical situation.
      1. Russia, Iran , Hezbolla, and all the various groups comprised of psychotic serial killers who are proud of their achievement's are all fighting one another 6000 miles from US shores.
      2. SA and Iran are in a proxy war that no one really gives 2 shits about. Of course the US is making a good deal of money supplying SA with weapons.
      3. The US is no longer dependent on oil from the ME and thus see no reason to be actively involved in the region.
      4. The US now has the power to flood the global oil markets which is slowly bankrupting every single country that uses oil exports to fund their countries. These countries include every single OPEC member and others such as Russia and Venezuela.
      5. As the ME continues to implode into endless conflict and oil exports from the region start decreasing even China may be forced to go join the fun since they are heavily dependent on the oil exports from that region.
      6. The only promising thing in the ME is that Israel can finish winning the war that has been waged on them for the past 65 years once and for all. If it is OK with Russia to carpet bomb major cities than I don't see anything wrong with Israel using the same methods to flatten Gaza and starting a mass refugee movement to clear out those currently squatting in the West Bank. The only country who could have stayed Israel's hand was the US but they threw Israel under the bus at the UN so I doubt the Israelis give a shit what the US thinks anymore. But even this US action helps extradite the US from the endless BS in the region.

      So long as the US adheres to the wisdom of "never attack your enemies while they are busy committing suicide" I think things are looking up for the US.

    25. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, I always thought the same about the Bible and slave owners, homophobes, and evangelicals.

    26. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the single largest group of evangelicals (about 16 million), the Southern Baptist Convention, was specifically created because slavery was more important than jesus and only got around to condemning slavery, jim crow, etc just 20 years ago it isn't so crazy to believe that about evangelicals.

      Also, they are total hypocrites about abortion. The SBC supported full abortion rights at least until 1976.

    27. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Islam IS Radical Islam. There ain't separate Qurans, or Hadiths, or Tafseers, or Siras that 'Radical Muslims' follow that are different from what other Muslims follow.

      Says the guy who has never met an actual muslim in his life.

      Guys like you are ISIS collaborators, telling the world that ISIS is the true islam despite the fact that ISIS has killed 100x more muslims than they have any other group and is reviled by all conventional muslims.

      Sez who? And why's the news not good enough? Just b'cos I've stumbled upon a few random Muslims who are outwardly okay tells me nothing about the larger population

    28. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1
      And you missed the part about their views on Shariah. And here is a gem that you yourself included here, but overlooked

      In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

      The Pali and Egyptian support for this is for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Afghanistan support is for the Taliban, and the Bangladesh support for ISIS and their other Islamic groups

    29. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sez who? And why's the news not good enough?

      Well, you've pretty much admitted it right there.

      So you trust the lamestream media when it comes to muslims, but not anything else.
      Funny that.

    30. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you missed the part about their views on Shariah.

      Shariah is not what you think it is. Since you are so willing to trust the "news" that ought to change your mind. Except it won't. Dedicated islamofoes know better than middle-eastern sociologists or actual muslims.

      And here is a gem that you yourself included here, but overlooked

      Yeah, big surprise the handful of countries that have the most protracted conflicts are more violent. Not unlike northern ireland. And even then the people who do support violence are still in the minority. You kind a such suck at math, don't you?

      Meanwhile if the same standard of judgment were applied to christians the massacre of a million people in Rwanda totally outweighs the number of deaths across the entire muslim world. But that doesn't count because reasons.

      You are the sickness. You and ISIS, two sides of the same extremist coin.

    31. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I'm sure just before he died, he thought war was not great.

    32. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really do not understand why people do not see 9-11 as a false flag op.

      That would be because you are retarded and they are not retarded.

    33. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that the next generation can be again the greatest generation! For great war, for great justice.

    34. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The lamestream media does its best to cover up the fact that perpetrators are Muslim, while revealing all other details. So I don't 'trust' the lamestream media for that (thanks for the adjective, btw: hadn't thought of it): I take the raw data of the lsm and then study the underlying commonality - that they often shout 'allahu-akbar', that they usually pledge allegance to either ISIS or any other Jihadist outfit, and that regardless of which country they may be from (Syria, Pakistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Chechnya, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Germany, Norway, UK or US), they are invariably Muslim.

    35. Re: The Great War by yuvcifjt · · Score: 1

      Wow, people like you are fuel for ISIS supporters.

      You spread nothing but hate, and no-doubt preach violence against all Muslims.
      Kind of reminds me of Hitler's vision of Jews, and dehumanising an entire race/religion.

      Muslims like me can see a day coming when individuals like you push for a Muslim holocaust...
      that is if you don't already count the genocide of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Myanmar Rohingya, and of course, Palestine.

    36. Re:The Great War by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the nuclear triad, with nukes spread out between fixed land based missiles, sub missiles, and airborne missiles. One of the politicians didn't know what that even was, IIRC.

      Oh, well. With so many running, he or she is almost certainly one of those who lost, thank god.

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    37. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The Washington Post is no authority on Shariah. Shariah derives from the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which is when a religion's 'thou shalt' rules are translated into laws that are to be implemented. There are 4 Sunni, and a couple of Shi'ite schools. The Sunni ones being Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali. Different Muslim countries follow different types. Hanafi is generally followed by most Asian Muslim countries, like in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, the stans, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. Shafi'i is followed in Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. Maliki is followed in much of North Africa, excluding Egypt, Sudan, Eritria, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania. Hanbali is unique and would probably be a statistical aberration, except that it's followed in Saudi Arabia and Qatar: Wahabism is the major implementation of Hanbali doctrine. From the Shia schools, there is Jafari, which is followed in Iraq and Bahrein, while in Iran, the Khomenei doctrines are followed.

      In all these countries (in India, Muslims having their own separate civil law, since they are a minority), civil laws are laid out according to the above list. Which is why they have laws that variably allow marital rape, convict rape victims of adultery and only spare them when they marry their rapist.. All this has its underpinnngs in Islam - where a woman who accuses anybody of rape has to produce 4 witnesses, where the testimony of 2 women are equal to that of a man (and the weightage even varies according to the religion of the contestants: any testimony by a Muslim is worth a lot more than testimony by n number of infidels, where n varies according to the latter's religion, but is never equal to or less than 1).

      The countries that were listed - we often hear that their people are peaceful, but it's these parties (like Boko Haram, Taliban, ISIS) which are the problem. In which case, why are >25% of people in all of them supportive of terrorism 'in certain cases'? And Bangladesh is not a country that has any protracted conflict. It's an economic basketcase, no doubt, but so are a lot of (non-Muslim) countries, whose people do not support Shariah. And Bangladesh's population is 160M, and 25% of that is 40M. So you have 40M people there who think that things like suicide bombings, or terror attacks are 'sometimes' justified.

      As for Rwanda, that was a well known tribal civil war b/w Hutus and Tutsis. Neither side invoked Christianity while slaughtering each other the way Jihadists invoke Islam

      I might be the other side of the ISIS coin if I thought that my religion should be supreme throughout the world. Yet, I have nothing against Christians, Jews, Taoists, Buddhists, Shintos, Rastafarians, Scientologists or anyone else. So your attempt at a tu quoque falls flat

    38. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Washington Post is no authority on Shariah.

      And you are even less of an authority.
      The Wapo article quotes well known islamofoe Daniel Pipes and even his interpretation isn't has crazy as yours.

      In all these countries (in India, Muslims having their own separate civil law, since they are a minority), civil laws are laid out according to the above list

      Hello, McFly civil laws. Civil laws, by definition do not apply to crimes. Its 99% about contracts.

      As for Rwanda, that was a well known tribal civil war b/w Hutus and Tutsis. Neither side invoked Christianity

      Incorrect. The catholic churches were heavily involved.

      might be the other side of the ISIS coin if I thought that my religion should be supreme throughout the world. Yet, I have nothing against Christians, Jews, Taoists, Buddhists, Shintos, Rastafarians, Scientologists or anyone else. So your attempt at a tu quoque falls flat

      ::rolleyes::
      Surely you can't be that stupid. Please tell me you are deliberately trying to throw up bullshit to avoid admitting your collaboration.

      Here, i'll spell it out for you:
      ISIS: Islam means killing all the infidels
      You: Islam means killing all the infidels
      All other muslims: ISIS are a bunch of fucking assholes who don't speak for us

      See? You and ISIS are the exact same thing.

      Also tu quoque does not mean what you think it means.

    39. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, innumeracy for the fail.
      99.99% of muslims in the west haven't killed anyone, but that 0.01% that has lost there shit and gone on a rampage defines the 99.99%

    40. Re: The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Radical Islam followed by the jihadists is mostly based on non-quran interpretations of stories from the quran. So yes, there is separate material the 'radical' muslims follow that is different from what other muslims follow.

    41. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There is a group called 'Quranists' who insist on following a Quran-only approach, and not using the Sunnah (Col Gadaffi was one of those). Problem is that it's impossible to understand the Quran w/o knowing the context in which certain things were revealed, and that's where the Hadiths (preachings of Mo) and Sira (the life history of Mo) come in. And Islam is - once one ignores that 1.8B people follow it - is actually a cult built up around Mohammed, and the greatest legitimacy that any Muslim gains for any claims of being 'truly Islamic' is by proving that what he believes is something demonstrably supported by Mohammed. Which is why Jihadist groups generally have the upper hand in such arguments, since Mo himself argued that Jihad was the greatest thing that any Muslim could ever do.

    42. Re: The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He'd had a previous chance to learn that lesson: he served in the trenches on the Western front in WWI and was wounded and gassed.

      But you knew that, right?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  5. Timmy's Tears? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are Timmy's Tears and Moaning Words of anger that yet another person's digital security will be violated?

  6. They can do it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell, they just "hacked" the US Presidential election, right guize???

  7. Re:Turks by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    You know, using this kind of ignorant, vile language puts you in the lowest class of all. Far below even those you disparage with it. Even the majority of people who are bigoted don't want to hear you spew this invective in a public forum. It's akin to taking a dump on the sidewalk.

  8. filthy commies by frovingslosh · · Score: 0

    Those disgusting freedom hating commies are trying to break into an iPhone and violate the privacy of someone that they have already killed. What kind of an inhuman spying evil government would want to do that?

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    1. Re:filthy commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC the dead don't have any legal right to privacy.

    2. Re:filthy commies by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      It might not be a good idea to suggest to government cronies who want to take away all your rights of privacy that if you were dead then there would be no conflict.

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      I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
    3. Re: filthy commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't heard them trying to force Apple to create an update to backdoor the iPhone.

    4. Re:filthy commies by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Those disgusting freedom hating commies are trying to break into an iPhone and violate the privacy of someone that they have already killed. What kind of an inhuman spying evil government would want to do that?

      Just assuming that you ain't being sarcastic, since it's hard to tell anymore... particularly since you've been modded 'Informative' rather than 'Funny'

      First things first - Putin may be ex KGB, but Russia is not Communist. If anything, it's now an oligarchy, which ain't much better

      Second - the 'someone that they have already killed' - was the assassin. His privacy is the last thing that should be on anybody's mind - he forfeited it when he killed the envoy

      Finally, the reason anyone wants to find out what's in that iPhone is to get the names of others who might have been in the plot, so that they can investigate deeper and get to the bottom of things

    5. Re: filthy commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, apple has already caved to th Chinese government. There's no reason to suspect that they haven't caved to the Russia s.

    6. Re: filthy commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are. Stupid.

      The president s stuff is locked away for 50 years.

    7. Re:filthy commies by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      First thing is first. How will Turkey be held accountable for the murder of a ambassador by a Turkish national on camera, a police officer (or ex police officer?), upon the most absurd basis. The murdered moving around behind the ambassador on camera, ensuring they were in full view of the camera with no one doing anything or questioning anything, whilst the murderer randomly fiddles with their gun. Turkey should face some severe diplomatic consequences for the almost laughably incompetent security failure.

      The questions of the reality of the individuals loyalties and obedience are somewhat arbitrary at this stage and the main question right now should be what consequences Turkey faces for it's security failure else diplomatic personal will come under severe threat the world over.

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  9. Crap article by Striek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Second, if the iPhone is running iOS 8, remember that the iPhone 4S didn't have a Secure Enclave and Touch ID sensor. The Secure Enclave is a coprocessor that utilizes a secure boot process to make sure that it's uncompromized. It has a secret unique ID not accessible by the rest of the phone, Apple or anyone -- it's like a private key. The phone generates ephemeral keys (think public keys) to talk with the Secure Enclave. They only work with the unique ID to encrypt and decrypt the data on the coprocessor.

    I fail to see how this rather technical (to the layperson) information improves the article in any way. How does extolling the security of newer devices improve this? It doesn't have whatever doodad (the secure enclave) you're talking about - so why include all this useless (imho) information in the article at all?

    It's a pretty crap article really, spending over half its time talking about stuff that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, not to mention the subpar proofreading.

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    1. Re:Crap article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Russia can't decrypt the 4S, they are either incompetent or will use it as a claim to restrict encryption even further.

    2. Re:Crap article by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There are off-the-shelf solutions to suck the data off a 4S. Russians aren't "trying to unlock iPhone 4S" - if they have it, it's done. The author is just trying to be a show-off know-it-all.

      Cool, story bro - you read the Apple iOS security whitepaper.

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    3. Re:Crap article by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      If you read between the lines I think this information is to contrast this situation with the FBI-Apple conflict last year, where they were trying to unlock the iPhone of that terrorist shooter. That phone had the enclave chip which is why it was so hard to break into, and why the FBI made such a stink about needing Apple's help. Here, none of that applies.

    4. Re:Crap article by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Russia, like the US, is one of the few large state actors with the facilities to start nano-shearing away the tops of the chips and mapping it out, anyway.

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    5. Re:Crap article by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just jailbreak it? I can see every file on my jailbroken 5S running 9.3.3, and I'm pretty sure there are still JB utilities out there for 8.x

  10. Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    After all, since the guy used to work under Erdogan, I'm surprised the Russians even have the killer's phone.

    1. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is not surprising at all.

      This assassination is being used to bring Turkey and Russia closer together. Turkey is blaming it on "gulenists" - a rich old cleric who split from Erdogan a couple of years ago and moved to Pennsylvania to avoid the dictator's wrath. Putin knows it was blowback from Aleppo and had nothing to do with gulenists, but it serves his purpose to let Erdogan do his conspiracy thing because Putin wants to peel Turkey away from NATO. And since Erdogan has basically gone full-dictator in the last year or so, the US has been saying mean things about him. Putin has no problems with dictatorship, kinda likes it, in fact. So he and Erdogan are getting along like best buds now.

      You watch, Turkey is going to be the first country to ever leave NATO and its going to happen in less than four years. And Cheeto Mussolini is going to cheer it on too.

    2. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has never had issues with dictators either, as long as they are in the US pocket a dictatorship is fine in the eyes of the US government, or in many cases it is even better as many things they could not do under a democratic rule they can get done.

    3. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If Turkey leaves NATO, it will be a good thing, and have an unintended corrective effect on Western foreign policy

      Turkey being in NATO made sense during the Cold War and during the era when it had Kemalist leaders. At the time, the Soviets were the #1 enemy, and you'd rather have had someone like Turkey in NATO rather than in the Warsaw pact.

      Since 1991, when the Warsaw Pact folded and the Soviet Union came unravelled, the key reason for NATO to remain was gone. As it is, even after 9/11, Western policymakers failed to update the policy to mark Islam, rather than Communism, as the biggest threat to the world. What was worse was the West supporting Jihadist campaigns in Chechnya and Uzbekistan, not just it continuing to support Turkey. Which under Erdogan has become a lot less Kemalesque and much more Islamic, as he seeks to rebuild Turkey's Ottoman era influence.

      In this environment, where Islam is the ideological threat to the West, Turkey's role has changed from an ally - which it was when the enemy was Communism - to an adversary - which it's become when the enemy is now Islam. After being snubbed for decades by Europe for failing to be as democratic as, say France, Ankara has turned towards regaining its influence as a leader of the Muslim world. As it is, there are 5 Turkic countries aside from Turkey - the stans - where Turkey has been extending its influence. On top of that, as the Sunni Arabs, who are pretty weak particularly w/ Egypt having stopped trying to be a leader of the Arab world, look for a leader, Turkey is pretty happy to step in. If one recalls, several months back, when the international community sought to condemn Jihadist groups everywhere, not just ISIS, it was Turkey that stood in the way.

      So if Turkey leaves NATO, it would be easier for the US to support an independent Kurdistan. By now, the idea of integrated Syria or Iraq should be dead. There is no reason to force Shi'ites and Sunnites in Iraq to live together, if they don't want to. Similarly, in Syria, Alawites, Assyrians and Kurds should have their own carve-outs rather than live under the threat of Sunni Arab reprisals. Iraq and Syria were imaginary constructs of the British and the French after WWI, which is not the logical basis of any divisions that exist today. If the war ends, best to redraw the map to reflect current ground reality.

      P.S. Who is Cheeto Mussolini?

    4. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > if Turkey leaves NATO, it will be a good thing, and have an unintended corrective effect on Western foreign policy

      Yea we know you suck cheeto dick which means you line up to suck putins dick too.

      > Islam is the ideological threat to the West,

      No need to keep virtue signalling that you are a islamofoe. Simply sucking cheeto dick is enough to tell the world you hate brown.

    5. Re: Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good,it saves NATO/EU all the problems of kicking the dodgy back stabbing,lieing,traitors out of both organisations,it's was you Americans who wanted Turkey in NATO,so you had access to a few forward bases for hits into either east Europe or into the middle east,the eu wanted them in. because they thought they could use them as a buffer between Europe and the middle east,always a stupid idea,the Turks have ripped the eu off for billions while doing nothing,erdogan is just another thug who should be assassinated by a sudden injection of metals to the head,about .50 should do it..
      Fingers crossed just after they leave NATO/eu,the overdue big earth quake goes off right underneath where ever erdogan and his cronies are,then we can tell them to go starve,see how much spare food Russia has got to spare you..
      Never trust a Turk,except to stab you in the back...

    6. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Uh, genius, there is no co-relation b/w brown and Muslim. Major brown populations are Hispanics and South Asiatic Indians, most of whom are not Muslim. In the meantime, while half a billion Muslims are brown - being from the Indian subcontinent, the others are various non-brown groups. Arabs, Turks and Iranians consider themselves white. The Muslims in Africa are mainly black. In short, Muslims are mixed race, and are a threat no matter what their race

    7. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by ch0knuti · · Score: 1

      You watch, Turkey is going to be the first country to ever leave NATO and its going to happen in less than four years. And Cheeto Mussolini is going to cheer it on too.

      Sorry to bring you the bad news but France already did. 50 years ago.

    8. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so cute. Pretending that your bigotry isn't about race.
      Nobody where you live considers arabs, turks and iranians to be white.
      In fact you obviously don't either.

    9. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Like I said, genius, you are really good at conflating religion w/ race, thereby making a bigoted religion still stuck in the 9th century looking like a collection of victims based on skin color.

      Where I live, none of the groups listed - Arabs, Iranians or Turks - are considered brown. They may not be European or Caucasian, but they're definitely white. And in some places, black. Brown you only get in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia

  11. Here we go again by bjdevil66 · · Score: 2

    Like your phone or not, we all owe a huge vote of apprecation and thanks to the engineers at Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.. They have to deal with countries trying to hack their devices all the time, along with every serious hacker out there on the planet - and for the most part they have been doing a great job of keeping our data on our devices private.

    The leadership of those conpanies also deserve a pat on the back. Unlike the phone companies that climbed into bed with Uncle Sam like a whore all out of rubbers but ready to get it on anyways, Tim Cook and his ilk stood their ground on this issue when the feds came calling. And I don't care why they did it (business reasons vs. goodwill for the average consumer); They did it, and that's all that really matters in the end.

    (This says nothing about what Google and others do when it comes to privacy and collecting data for business efforts, but that's another issue...)

    1. Re:Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private from who !??

    2. Re:Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of ironic. Wasn't there some /. articles about Apple giving China the keys to the secure enclave, while telling the FBI to pound sand? Apple knows where its bread is buttered and what governments to kowtow to, and it is obvious the US and secondarily Europe are on their hind teats.

  12. Russian Authorities Are Trying To Unlock iPhone by byteherder · · Score: 1

    Why don't they ask the NSA to do it?

    lololololol

  13. He had an iPhone 4S??? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Surely this alone is cause for the man to be shot down like a dog!

    Had it been known that even a Third World policeman of low rank carried such a primitive, hideously obsolete device, I am certain every Apple fanboi in the Free World would have joined me in calling for his death by slow torture.

    Such extreme gaucherie calls for a level of punishment that will deter others from committing this kind of appalling tech faux pas!

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  14. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we sure there is no Russian political benefit to their ambassadors death? I honestly have no idea, but I take few things at face value these days.

    1. Re: I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you explain what benefit would come from shooting ones own ambassador when brokering a delicate agreement with Turkey?

      If anyone benefits here it would be the IS which took credit for the attack.

    2. Re: I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prelude to Russia invading parts of Turkey.

  15. Why the Russians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's that easy to unlock the phone, why can't the Turks do it themselves?

  16. 4 Digit passcode? by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    Um, is this something released by authorities or is everyone just assuming? The 4s has the ability to have a longer passcode, as well as an alpha-numeric password if one chooses. If you only use numbers the lock screen is presented with the numberpad like default but the code can be of any length greater than 3 digits.

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    1. Re:4 Digit passcode? by mlts · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 4 had this as well. This is more of an iOS feature. Set a password (not a PIN), and if your password has all numbers in it, you will get a PINpad, not a full A-Z typewriter allowing you to type in your code and hit the enter button, no matter the length.

  17. Solving crime by buss_error · · Score: 2

    I wonder, back in the dark ages of no cell phones, how police ever managed to solve any crimes. I mean, wow. Imagine not having something as useful as a personal snitch that we call a cell phone.

    I've said it many times, and I'll go on saying it - I would not allow a cell phone on my property if I didn't have to have one for employment.

    A cell phone is for my convenience - yet most frequently it is used to interrupt me, inconvenience me, and generally make my life a pain in the neck. And on top of which, it gives LEO information they can misinterpret to use against me. Someone murdered? Why, my phone was recorded as being within a half a block of the crime scene - I *must* be guilty. Never mind it's on the way to work, or doctor, or whatever. Cell phone evidence is almost never exculpatory, it's almost always used (or misused) to convict.

    All one need do to get a chill up their spine is spend half an hour with LEO tools and a cell phone to understand just how bad it really is. That, or just read.

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    1. Re:Solving crime by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

      I wonder, back in the dark ages of no cell phones, how police ever managed to solve any crimes.

      Simple. They took the suspect to a back room and worked him over with a rubber hose.

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    2. Re: Solving crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since you asked, before phones, conspiracies generally used mail service to coordinate, so the Feds read their mail. Later, telegraph messages, pen registers and wiretapping, and now search warrants for email and decrypting cell phones. Nothing new at all.

  18. Involve the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To involve the Russians. The Turks may not actually need help doing this, but being transparent in investigating this with the Russians is important.

  19. Apples and Oranges by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    If it were Tim Cook on the floor with his brains blown out, Apple would be falling all over itself to unlock the phone.

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  20. or by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    They tell apple give us an firmware update the removes auto wipe and lockout or we will ban iphones.

  21. Oh Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Apple has already demonstrated that they'll give anything to the Chinese government to win in that market. There's no reason to suspect that they haven't caved to any other government.

    2) The encryption is 100% about protecting the walled garden. That stuff abut the San Bernadino shooters? Just marketing to keep the fanboys happy and smug.

  22. And when you die of a meth overdose... by Brannon · · Score: 0

    while watching a DVR full of Duck Dynasty reruns with your Trump hat on, no one will care.

    1. Re:And when you die of a meth overdose... by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

      Your mom will certainly miss me.

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  23. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...4s iPhone unlocks YOU!

  24. Haberturk is a news channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The post reads "...and now, Haberturk, Turkish authorities asked for..." It should perhaps be rephrased as "...and now, Haberturk reports, Turkish authorities asked for..."

  25. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    terrorists using iphones, you cant make this shit up fam

  26. Why do all terrorists use iPhones? by iamacat · · Score: 1

    I don't know how secure enclave compares to Samsung Knox, but Android makes it much either to sideload craft-specific apps that Apple is probably not going to approve for App Store, like Bombmaking for Dummies. Plus, you can get a Galaxy Note 7 and then your phone is already a bomb.

  27. Easy by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Pass code is 1234.