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Russian Authorities Are Trying To Unlock iPhone 4S From Russian Ambassador's Killer (techcrunch.com)

Posted by msmash on from the moral-dilemma dept.

The off-duty police officer who killed the Russian ambassador in Turkey was shot by Turkish special forces minutes after the crime. He had an iPhone 4S on him, and now, Haberturk, Turkish authorities asked for Russia's help to unlock the iPhone. From a report: Given that it's an iPhone 4S and it has a 4-digit passcode, it should be quite easy to unlock the device. There are many solutions out there to do this and authorities don't even need to ask for Apple's help. The iPhone 4S is quite old now and it was a much less secure device. First, the iPhone 4S runs iOS 5 to iOS 9, but many iPhone 4S owners didn't update to recent iOS versions. If the device runs iOS 7 or earlier, getting the content of the device is a piece of cake. The content of the device isn't encrypted as Apple started encrypting all data with iOS 8. Authorities can access this data quite easily. Second, if the iPhone is running iOS 8, remember that the iPhone 4S didn't have a Secure Enclave and Touch ID sensor. The Secure Enclave is a coprocessor that utilizes a secure boot process to make sure that it's uncompromized. It has a secret unique ID not accessible by the rest of the phone, Apple or anyone -- it's like a private key. The phone generates ephemeral keys (think public keys) to talk with the Secure Enclave. They only work with the unique ID to encrypt and decrypt the data on the coprocessor.

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  1. The Great War by sphealey · · Score: 1

    Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

    sPh

    1. Re:The Great War by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lets make war great again

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    2. Re:The Great War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

      sPh

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be China.

    3. Re:The Great War by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I don't think this equates to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

    4. Re:The Great War by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Here comes WWI all over again, complete with alliances of convenience between nations that aren't very friendly and escalating cycles of intervention and retaliation.

      sPh

      Huh? I thought Trump hand a man crush on Putin?

    5. Re:The Great War by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      There wont be much left to win.

    6. Re:The Great War by byteherder · · Score: 1

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be China.

      Yes, because the last world war worked out so great for them.

    7. Re:The Great War by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Unless one or the other succeeds with a decapitation first strike, the US and Russia going to war means the destruction of both. If Russia is destroyed, where would China buy the military technology to use to conquer the rest of the world? If the US is destroyed, where would they get the cash to buy said technology if they did find an alternate source? Global economies are so throughly integrated these days, and nuclear weapons make a decisive WW2-esque victory impossible, that a conflict of World War scale is going to leave the rest of the world hurting pretty bad too.

      Also, wouldn't quite a lot of fallout from Russia land in China? That would not be, as they say, a good thing.

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    8. Re:The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      WWI - Austrian crown prince was assassinated in Sarajevo. Here, Russian ambassador, not Putin himself, got assassinated.

      WWI - Austria suspected Serbia of being behind the assassination, and that triggered a chainreaction in WWI. Here, who would Russia suspect of being behind the assassination? Any Arab country opposed to Assad?

    9. Re:The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I think a part of this - US and Russia - teaming up against Islam - might be what Trump has in mind, which is why he's been selecting foreign policy advisors w/ known ties to Russia

      I agree w/ your premise, but Russia has to oppose the Jihadists of Iran and Hizbullah as well - not just the Sunni Jihadists like the Chechens and Turks. Just like the US has to stop pandering to the Saudis and Qataris

    10. Re:The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If the USA and Russia were destroyed (assuming Yoorp gets splatted too), China could invade pretty much anywhere they wanted with spears.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    11. Re:The Great War by skegg · · Score: 1

      Unless one or the other succeeds with a decapitation first strike

      That's where subs come into the picture.

    12. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Islam IS Radical Islam. There ain't separate Qurans, or Hadiths, or Tafseers, or Siras that 'Radical Muslims' follow that are different from what other Muslims follow. All the things that ISIS, al Qaeda, Hizbullah, Hamas, Abu Sayyaf, Lashkar e Toiba, Jemiah Islamiah, Boko Haram, et al swear allegiance to are no different from what mainstream Muslims follow, and specifically, do NOT disown. There have been surveys of Muslims worldwide that pretty much reinforce this

      As for Turks being Jihadists, they are remarkably close. First of all, since Erdogan came to power, Turkey has steadily dismantled all the anti-Islamic influences that the army held over the country. Turkey has also been very supportive of ISIS, which is why anybody who wants to join ISIS goes via Gaziantep. Turkey has also been supportive of Saudi-Qatari attempts to oust Assad, and they have opposed blanket condemnations of Jihad. Calling them Jihadists is by no means far fetched

    13. Re:The Great War by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Lets make war great again

      People who think war can be great never fought in one.

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    14. Re:The Great War by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      If Russia and the USA are going to war, the winner will be cockroaches.

      FTFY.

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      If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
    15. Re:The Great War by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1
      Wowie. PEOTUS decrypted!

      The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

      In the United States:

      Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

    16. Re:The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So Hitler had amnesia?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    17. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Islam IS Radical Islam. There ain't separate Qurans, or Hadiths, or Tafseers, or Siras that 'Radical Muslims' follow that are different from what other Muslims follow.

      Says the guy who has never met an actual muslim in his life.

      Guys like you are ISIS collaborators, telling the world that ISIS is the true islam despite the fact that ISIS has killed 100x more muslims than they have any other group and is reviled by all conventional muslims.

      Sez who? And why's the news not good enough? Just b'cos I've stumbled upon a few random Muslims who are outwardly okay tells me nothing about the larger population

    18. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1
      And you missed the part about their views on Shariah. And here is a gem that you yourself included here, but overlooked

      In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

      The Pali and Egyptian support for this is for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Afghanistan support is for the Taliban, and the Bangladesh support for ISIS and their other Islamic groups

    19. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The lamestream media does its best to cover up the fact that perpetrators are Muslim, while revealing all other details. So I don't 'trust' the lamestream media for that (thanks for the adjective, btw: hadn't thought of it): I take the raw data of the lsm and then study the underlying commonality - that they often shout 'allahu-akbar', that they usually pledge allegance to either ISIS or any other Jihadist outfit, and that regardless of which country they may be from (Syria, Pakistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Chechnya, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Germany, Norway, UK or US), they are invariably Muslim.

    20. Re: The Great War by yuvcifjt · · Score: 1

      Wow, people like you are fuel for ISIS supporters.

      You spread nothing but hate, and no-doubt preach violence against all Muslims.
      Kind of reminds me of Hitler's vision of Jews, and dehumanising an entire race/religion.

      Muslims like me can see a day coming when individuals like you push for a Muslim holocaust...
      that is if you don't already count the genocide of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Myanmar Rohingya, and of course, Palestine.

    21. Re:The Great War by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the nuclear triad, with nukes spread out between fixed land based missiles, sub missiles, and airborne missiles. One of the politicians didn't know what that even was, IIRC.

      Oh, well. With so many running, he or she is almost certainly one of those who lost, thank god.

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    22. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The Washington Post is no authority on Shariah. Shariah derives from the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which is when a religion's 'thou shalt' rules are translated into laws that are to be implemented. There are 4 Sunni, and a couple of Shi'ite schools. The Sunni ones being Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali. Different Muslim countries follow different types. Hanafi is generally followed by most Asian Muslim countries, like in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, the stans, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. Shafi'i is followed in Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. Maliki is followed in much of North Africa, excluding Egypt, Sudan, Eritria, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania. Hanbali is unique and would probably be a statistical aberration, except that it's followed in Saudi Arabia and Qatar: Wahabism is the major implementation of Hanbali doctrine. From the Shia schools, there is Jafari, which is followed in Iraq and Bahrein, while in Iran, the Khomenei doctrines are followed.

      In all these countries (in India, Muslims having their own separate civil law, since they are a minority), civil laws are laid out according to the above list. Which is why they have laws that variably allow marital rape, convict rape victims of adultery and only spare them when they marry their rapist.. All this has its underpinnngs in Islam - where a woman who accuses anybody of rape has to produce 4 witnesses, where the testimony of 2 women are equal to that of a man (and the weightage even varies according to the religion of the contestants: any testimony by a Muslim is worth a lot more than testimony by n number of infidels, where n varies according to the latter's religion, but is never equal to or less than 1).

      The countries that were listed - we often hear that their people are peaceful, but it's these parties (like Boko Haram, Taliban, ISIS) which are the problem. In which case, why are >25% of people in all of them supportive of terrorism 'in certain cases'? And Bangladesh is not a country that has any protracted conflict. It's an economic basketcase, no doubt, but so are a lot of (non-Muslim) countries, whose people do not support Shariah. And Bangladesh's population is 160M, and 25% of that is 40M. So you have 40M people there who think that things like suicide bombings, or terror attacks are 'sometimes' justified.

      As for Rwanda, that was a well known tribal civil war b/w Hutus and Tutsis. Neither side invoked Christianity while slaughtering each other the way Jihadists invoke Islam

      I might be the other side of the ISIS coin if I thought that my religion should be supreme throughout the world. Yet, I have nothing against Christians, Jews, Taoists, Buddhists, Shintos, Rastafarians, Scientologists or anyone else. So your attempt at a tu quoque falls flat

    23. Re: The Great War by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There is a group called 'Quranists' who insist on following a Quran-only approach, and not using the Sunnah (Col Gadaffi was one of those). Problem is that it's impossible to understand the Quran w/o knowing the context in which certain things were revealed, and that's where the Hadiths (preachings of Mo) and Sira (the life history of Mo) come in. And Islam is - once one ignores that 1.8B people follow it - is actually a cult built up around Mohammed, and the greatest legitimacy that any Muslim gains for any claims of being 'truly Islamic' is by proving that what he believes is something demonstrably supported by Mohammed. Which is why Jihadist groups generally have the upper hand in such arguments, since Mo himself argued that Jihad was the greatest thing that any Muslim could ever do.

    24. Re: The Great War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He'd had a previous chance to learn that lesson: he served in the trenches on the Western front in WWI and was wounded and gassed.

      But you knew that, right?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  2. Re:Well by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like you got it all figured out then...

    I was just going to say, all they need to do is torture the shooter. Oh, the Turkish Special Forces shot the shooter dead . . . ? Well, then torture his family. They have already been arrested anyway.

    What . . . ? His family members don't know the password . . . ? Well, torture them anyway . . . it will keep the torturers well-practiced in the fine art of torture . . .

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  3. Re:Well by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    If it had a touch sensor all you'd need is to chop his finger off.

  4. Re:Turks by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    You know, using this kind of ignorant, vile language puts you in the lowest class of all. Far below even those you disparage with it. Even the majority of people who are bigoted don't want to hear you spew this invective in a public forum. It's akin to taking a dump on the sidewalk.

  5. Crap article by Striek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Second, if the iPhone is running iOS 8, remember that the iPhone 4S didn't have a Secure Enclave and Touch ID sensor. The Secure Enclave is a coprocessor that utilizes a secure boot process to make sure that it's uncompromized. It has a secret unique ID not accessible by the rest of the phone, Apple or anyone -- it's like a private key. The phone generates ephemeral keys (think public keys) to talk with the Secure Enclave. They only work with the unique ID to encrypt and decrypt the data on the coprocessor.

    I fail to see how this rather technical (to the layperson) information improves the article in any way. How does extolling the security of newer devices improve this? It doesn't have whatever doodad (the secure enclave) you're talking about - so why include all this useless (imho) information in the article at all?

    It's a pretty crap article really, spending over half its time talking about stuff that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, not to mention the subpar proofreading.

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    1. Re:Crap article by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      There are off-the-shelf solutions to suck the data off a 4S. Russians aren't "trying to unlock iPhone 4S" - if they have it, it's done. The author is just trying to be a show-off know-it-all.

      Cool, story bro - you read the Apple iOS security whitepaper.

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    2. Re:Crap article by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      If you read between the lines I think this information is to contrast this situation with the FBI-Apple conflict last year, where they were trying to unlock the iPhone of that terrorist shooter. That phone had the enclave chip which is why it was so hard to break into, and why the FBI made such a stink about needing Apple's help. Here, none of that applies.

    3. Re:Crap article by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Russia, like the US, is one of the few large state actors with the facilities to start nano-shearing away the tops of the chips and mapping it out, anyway.

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    4. Re:Crap article by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just jailbreak it? I can see every file on my jailbroken 5S running 9.3.3, and I'm pretty sure there are still JB utilities out there for 8.x

  6. Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    After all, since the guy used to work under Erdogan, I'm surprised the Russians even have the killer's phone.

    1. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is not surprising at all.

      This assassination is being used to bring Turkey and Russia closer together. Turkey is blaming it on "gulenists" - a rich old cleric who split from Erdogan a couple of years ago and moved to Pennsylvania to avoid the dictator's wrath. Putin knows it was blowback from Aleppo and had nothing to do with gulenists, but it serves his purpose to let Erdogan do his conspiracy thing because Putin wants to peel Turkey away from NATO. And since Erdogan has basically gone full-dictator in the last year or so, the US has been saying mean things about him. Putin has no problems with dictatorship, kinda likes it, in fact. So he and Erdogan are getting along like best buds now.

      You watch, Turkey is going to be the first country to ever leave NATO and its going to happen in less than four years. And Cheeto Mussolini is going to cheer it on too.

    2. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If Turkey leaves NATO, it will be a good thing, and have an unintended corrective effect on Western foreign policy

      Turkey being in NATO made sense during the Cold War and during the era when it had Kemalist leaders. At the time, the Soviets were the #1 enemy, and you'd rather have had someone like Turkey in NATO rather than in the Warsaw pact.

      Since 1991, when the Warsaw Pact folded and the Soviet Union came unravelled, the key reason for NATO to remain was gone. As it is, even after 9/11, Western policymakers failed to update the policy to mark Islam, rather than Communism, as the biggest threat to the world. What was worse was the West supporting Jihadist campaigns in Chechnya and Uzbekistan, not just it continuing to support Turkey. Which under Erdogan has become a lot less Kemalesque and much more Islamic, as he seeks to rebuild Turkey's Ottoman era influence.

      In this environment, where Islam is the ideological threat to the West, Turkey's role has changed from an ally - which it was when the enemy was Communism - to an adversary - which it's become when the enemy is now Islam. After being snubbed for decades by Europe for failing to be as democratic as, say France, Ankara has turned towards regaining its influence as a leader of the Muslim world. As it is, there are 5 Turkic countries aside from Turkey - the stans - where Turkey has been extending its influence. On top of that, as the Sunni Arabs, who are pretty weak particularly w/ Egypt having stopped trying to be a leader of the Arab world, look for a leader, Turkey is pretty happy to step in. If one recalls, several months back, when the international community sought to condemn Jihadist groups everywhere, not just ISIS, it was Turkey that stood in the way.

      So if Turkey leaves NATO, it would be easier for the US to support an independent Kurdistan. By now, the idea of integrated Syria or Iraq should be dead. There is no reason to force Shi'ites and Sunnites in Iraq to live together, if they don't want to. Similarly, in Syria, Alawites, Assyrians and Kurds should have their own carve-outs rather than live under the threat of Sunni Arab reprisals. Iraq and Syria were imaginary constructs of the British and the French after WWI, which is not the logical basis of any divisions that exist today. If the war ends, best to redraw the map to reflect current ground reality.

      P.S. Who is Cheeto Mussolini?

    3. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Uh, genius, there is no co-relation b/w brown and Muslim. Major brown populations are Hispanics and South Asiatic Indians, most of whom are not Muslim. In the meantime, while half a billion Muslims are brown - being from the Indian subcontinent, the others are various non-brown groups. Arabs, Turks and Iranians consider themselves white. The Muslims in Africa are mainly black. In short, Muslims are mixed race, and are a threat no matter what their race

    4. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by ch0knuti · · Score: 1

      You watch, Turkey is going to be the first country to ever leave NATO and its going to happen in less than four years. And Cheeto Mussolini is going to cheer it on too.

      Sorry to bring you the bad news but France already did. 50 years ago.

    5. Re:Surprised at Turkish Cooperation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Like I said, genius, you are really good at conflating religion w/ race, thereby making a bigoted religion still stuck in the 9th century looking like a collection of victims based on skin color.

      Where I live, none of the groups listed - Arabs, Iranians or Turks - are considered brown. They may not be European or Caucasian, but they're definitely white. And in some places, black. Brown you only get in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia

  7. Here we go again by bjdevil66 · · Score: 2

    Like your phone or not, we all owe a huge vote of apprecation and thanks to the engineers at Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.. They have to deal with countries trying to hack their devices all the time, along with every serious hacker out there on the planet - and for the most part they have been doing a great job of keeping our data on our devices private.

    The leadership of those conpanies also deserve a pat on the back. Unlike the phone companies that climbed into bed with Uncle Sam like a whore all out of rubbers but ready to get it on anyways, Tim Cook and his ilk stood their ground on this issue when the feds came calling. And I don't care why they did it (business reasons vs. goodwill for the average consumer); They did it, and that's all that really matters in the end.

    (This says nothing about what Google and others do when it comes to privacy and collecting data for business efforts, but that's another issue...)

  8. Russian Authorities Are Trying To Unlock iPhone by byteherder · · Score: 1

    Why don't they ask the NSA to do it?

    lololololol

  9. He had an iPhone 4S??? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Surely this alone is cause for the man to be shot down like a dog!

    Had it been known that even a Third World policeman of low rank carried such a primitive, hideously obsolete device, I am certain every Apple fanboi in the Free World would have joined me in calling for his death by slow torture.

    Such extreme gaucherie calls for a level of punishment that will deter others from committing this kind of appalling tech faux pas!

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  10. Re:filthy commies by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    It might not be a good idea to suggest to government cronies who want to take away all your rights of privacy that if you were dead then there would be no conflict.

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  11. 4 Digit passcode? by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    Um, is this something released by authorities or is everyone just assuming? The 4s has the ability to have a longer passcode, as well as an alpha-numeric password if one chooses. If you only use numbers the lock screen is presented with the numberpad like default but the code can be of any length greater than 3 digits.

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    1. Re:4 Digit passcode? by mlts · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 4 had this as well. This is more of an iOS feature. Set a password (not a PIN), and if your password has all numbers in it, you will get a PINpad, not a full A-Z typewriter allowing you to type in your code and hit the enter button, no matter the length.

  12. Solving crime by buss_error · · Score: 2

    I wonder, back in the dark ages of no cell phones, how police ever managed to solve any crimes. I mean, wow. Imagine not having something as useful as a personal snitch that we call a cell phone.

    I've said it many times, and I'll go on saying it - I would not allow a cell phone on my property if I didn't have to have one for employment.

    A cell phone is for my convenience - yet most frequently it is used to interrupt me, inconvenience me, and generally make my life a pain in the neck. And on top of which, it gives LEO information they can misinterpret to use against me. Someone murdered? Why, my phone was recorded as being within a half a block of the crime scene - I *must* be guilty. Never mind it's on the way to work, or doctor, or whatever. Cell phone evidence is almost never exculpatory, it's almost always used (or misused) to convict.

    All one need do to get a chill up their spine is spend half an hour with LEO tools and a cell phone to understand just how bad it really is. That, or just read.

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    1. Re:Solving crime by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

      I wonder, back in the dark ages of no cell phones, how police ever managed to solve any crimes.

      Simple. They took the suspect to a back room and worked him over with a rubber hose.

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      "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  13. Involve the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To involve the Russians. The Turks may not actually need help doing this, but being transparent in investigating this with the Russians is important.

  14. Re:Brute Force? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    iPhone 4s - this is the same model that the San Bernardino Jihadists had, and where the FBI took the help of an Israeli company to crack it. The Turks could do the same, rather than risk locking it forever.

    I'm just wondering what they'd do had the Jihadist upgraded to iOS 8 or above, or had the Jihadist had an iPhone 5 or above? Incidentally, was any iPhone recovered from Amri - the Tunisian Jihadist from Berlin who got killed in Milan?

  15. Re:filthy commies by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Those disgusting freedom hating commies are trying to break into an iPhone and violate the privacy of someone that they have already killed. What kind of an inhuman spying evil government would want to do that?

    Just assuming that you ain't being sarcastic, since it's hard to tell anymore... particularly since you've been modded 'Informative' rather than 'Funny'

    First things first - Putin may be ex KGB, but Russia is not Communist. If anything, it's now an oligarchy, which ain't much better

    Second - the 'someone that they have already killed' - was the assassin. His privacy is the last thing that should be on anybody's mind - he forfeited it when he killed the envoy

    Finally, the reason anyone wants to find out what's in that iPhone is to get the names of others who might have been in the plot, so that they can investigate deeper and get to the bottom of things

  16. Re: filthy commies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, apple has already caved to th Chinese government. There's no reason to suspect that they haven't caved to the Russia s.

  17. Apples and Oranges by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    If it were Tim Cook on the floor with his brains blown out, Apple would be falling all over itself to unlock the phone.

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    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  18. or by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    They tell apple give us an firmware update the removes auto wipe and lockout or we will ban iphones.

  19. Re:filthy commies by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    First thing is first. How will Turkey be held accountable for the murder of a ambassador by a Turkish national on camera, a police officer (or ex police officer?), upon the most absurd basis. The murdered moving around behind the ambassador on camera, ensuring they were in full view of the camera with no one doing anything or questioning anything, whilst the murderer randomly fiddles with their gun. Turkey should face some severe diplomatic consequences for the almost laughably incompetent security failure.

    The questions of the reality of the individuals loyalties and obedience are somewhat arbitrary at this stage and the main question right now should be what consequences Turkey faces for it's security failure else diplomatic personal will come under severe threat the world over.

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  20. Re:Brute Force? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    iPhone 4s - this is the same model that the San Bernardino Jihadists had, and where the FBI took the help of an Israeli company to crack it. The Turks could do the same, rather than risk locking it forever.

    I'm just wondering what they'd do had the Jihadist upgraded to iOS 8 or above, or had the Jihadist had an iPhone 5 or above? Incidentally, was any iPhone recovered from Amri - the Tunisian Jihadist from Berlin who got killed in Milan?

    San Bernadino phone was a 5C running, IIRC , iOS 8. It had a Secure Enclave chip. Way different.

  21. Re:And when you die of a meth overdose... by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    Your mom will certainly miss me.

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  22. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    terrorists using iphones, you cant make this shit up fam

  23. Why do all terrorists use iPhones? by iamacat · · Score: 1

    I don't know how secure enclave compares to Samsung Knox, but Android makes it much either to sideload craft-specific apps that Apple is probably not going to approve for App Store, like Bombmaking for Dummies. Plus, you can get a Galaxy Note 7 and then your phone is already a bomb.

  24. Easy by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Pass code is 1234.