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Ask Slashdot: Is Computing As Cool and Fun As It Once Was?

dryriver writes: I got together with old computer nerd friends the other day. All of us have been at it since the 8-bit/1980s days of Amstrad, Atari, Commodore 64-type home computers. Everybody at the meeting agreed on one thing -- computing is just not as cool and as much fun as it once was. One person lamented that computer games nowadays are tied to internet DRM like Steam, that some crucial DCC software is available to rent only now (e.g. Photoshop) and that many "basic freedoms" of the old-school computer nerd are increasingly disappearing. Another said that Windows 10's spyware aspects made him give up on his beloved PC platform and that he will use Linux and Android devices only from now on, using consoles to game on instead of a PC because of this. A third complained about zero privacy online, internet advertising, viruses, ransomware, hacking, crapware. I lamented that the hardware industry still hasn't given us anything resembling photorealistic realtime 3D graphics, and that the current VR trend arrived a full decade later than it should have. A point of general agreement was that big tech companies in particular don't treat computer users with enough respect anymore. What do Slashdotters think? Is computing still as cool and fun as it once was, or has something "become irreversibly lost" as computing evolved into a multi-billion dollar global business?

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  1. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's no variety of systems, operating systems, one API set trying to prove that it is better at one task than another. Now it's basically 2.5 platforms and that's it.

    Sadly, I don't think the best or even more interesting platforms won.

    Definitely no.. much more boring now than 30 years ago.

    1. Re:No. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Definitely no.. much more boring now than 30 years ago.

      That is called "growing old". Everything is more fun when you are young.

      Today's younglings likely enjoy using WebGL to make 4K 3D webpages more than I enjoyed writing UIs with curses on a VT100 30 years ago.

    2. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's less-fun today, even for youngsters.

      Just look at the technologies you listed.

      WebGL is just a shitty subset of OpenGL, which actually isn't all that different from SGI's old IRIS GL library from the 1980s.

      And they're using WebGL from JavaScript, which was a shitty language back in 1995 when it was first released, and has only very recently seen positive improvements. In many ways JavaScript is still a step back from C89, and even from K&R C!

      A lot of what people are doing with WebGL today was done a couple of decades ago when VRML was the big thing, except VRML offered more practical higher-level abstractions.

      4K is just a bigger version of 640x480.

      They don't even have the benefit of doing this within the context of a real operating system, like IRIX or SunOS. They're constrained to the quite limited and often idiotic web browser ecosystem!

      As odd as it may sound, the youth of today are doing the same stuff the rest of us had done 25 or 30 years ago. But for whatever reason they're using worse libraries/frameworks/APIs (WebGL), from worse programming languages (JavaScript), in a worse environment (web browser)! Just going back to what we were using in 1990 would be a big leap forward.

    3. Re: No. by ememisya · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Absolutely worse. I refer you to the moment when Blizzard decided to make Internet connectivity mandatory for Diablo 3, it just went downhill from there. We have no privacy with our phones, computers, nor T.V., hell not even cars anymore, sold prebuilt with microphones, and GPS ready to collect data for "security" and partners. The world today is designed for a single purpose, to rule over the minds of the economically less privileged. I kind of liked it more when my cable service thought everyone nationwide loved Push Pop, and my Internet didn't offer me my favorite pizza. Ruling over physically is fine, it's called a governing system, but for fuck's sake did we have to lead people's minds too based on fake relevance further reducing the ability to empathize in the mass media age? I'm not sure, I'll have to ask uncle Google and read about it in my personal news feed from aunt Facebook. A big happy family.

  2. Internet of things, 3D printing, maker movement by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cool is about pushing the boundary and enjoying experiences which are decades away from mass production. A desktop is not going to be super cool in 2016. Arduino controllers to operate hand wired power windows in your home might be.

    You can get very open and hackable Linux / Chromebook+chrouton desktops and laptops, but you may be hard pressed to get them to do anything which is not already widely available.

  3. Yes. Yes it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Yes computing is still mind-blowingly cool and fun.

    However the options for having said fun have increased ten/hundredfold!
    If anything, it's more difficult now to find and choose what to play with.

    Short example:
    If you want to have your house recognize you and start your evening entertainment program once you're home from work:
    - a webcam at the entrance can recognize your face (and ideally something-you-have such as a phone with bluetooth on) with OpenCL
    - your Philips Hue connected lights can be set to a 70s disco arrangement through a Python API
    - your PS4 can be turned on remotely (ps4-waker) which will also turn on your TV which also starts your Chromecast
    - the Youtube on Chromecast can start on your favorite songs playlist..

    Most of [everything] is 'connected' now and can be scripted/automated, the possibilities to do /really/ cool and fun stuff are just amazing!

  4. I'm still enjoying computing by MSG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This weekend I spent some time improving my personal installation of SOGo groupware, so that my wife and I can better share email, calendars, and contacts on a system that we personally own.

    Certainly, big companies don't respect users, but it's still possible to provide all of the services that I need using only Free Software, so I do. Pretty much the only exception is navigation, for which I use Google Maps. Everything else we do with Free Software and the more I move my wife to our own services, the happier she is. Personally, I find that immensely gratifying. As long as that continues, I'll find computing as cool and fun as ever.

  5. 'Fun'? Not so much. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I started in computing, you needed a soldering iron, a particular skill-set, and if you were good, some programming skills, to supplement very minimalistic disk operating systems. It was also kind of fun to witness the reactions of people seeing and hearing a 14-inch hard drive powering up, or in some cases the look of recognition on their faces when they realize that the IMSAI 8080 they saw in the movie War Games was a real thing, not just some Hollywood prop. I even built a speech synthesizer, and got to see my friends' eyes go wide when I made it say "Shall we play a game?" I even designed and built some of my own IEEE696 cards to plug into the backplane that did things you couldn't get kits or pre-made boards for. Before the IMSAI, and the Morrow Designs stuff, I had an 8-bit CDP1802-based computer built on perfboard, complete with an integer BASIC interpreter. Fun, fun, fun. Also great experience for later in life; all the skills and experience I gained from all that has kept me employed all this time.

    These days? You might, if you wanted to take the time, effot, and expense to do it, design and build PCIe cards for special functions, but largely there's no point; almost anything you'd want the hardware to do, you can just go out and buy. 'Building a computer' now takes a screwdriver, not a soldering iron, and just about any teenage kid with half a brain can get the parts and cobble a box together. Sure, there's microcontroller stuff of all kinds out there, but there's little to do between those and full-blown desktop systems anymore. Likewise, writing software yourself is almost pointless, you can download just about anything you want, too. Even general electronics as a hobby isn't very accessible or fun anymore, because so much is surface-mount only, not too much is through-hole, so the really interesting devices mean you're more or less required to spin a PCB for whatever it is, which makes it so much more expensive and so much less accessible.

    I guess if you're into computer gaming (I lost interest years ago) or just using a computer as an appliance (which they more or less are anymore) then I guess it's 'fun' for you, but from the background I'm coming from, it really isn't so much anymore.

  6. Re:Are you a Hacker or a Gamer? It makes a differe by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While all true, people seem to forget how hard it was to get software before the internet, especially if you were a kid with no money. These days you can download vast amounts of high quality software, and its source code to tinker with. In some respects we are a lot better off now, and when you had to rely on friends, clubs and magazine cover disks/tapes.

    On the other hand, we are definitely a lot further removed form the inner workings of computers now. There is a massive amount of abstraction, which is kind of good for a lot of purposes but also very much encourages people not to look too far beyond really high level library functions. The lack of hacking friendly ports on the hardware side is a big issue too.

    But then again you can get a pretty good oscilloscope for peanuts now, so in some ways hardware hacking is a lot easier than it used to be to get into. We don't have those great kits you could buy from magazines any more though, and while people like Adafruit do offer some interesting stuff it's more Arduino level plugging modules together than figuring out why your transistor biasing isn't working.

    Personally I like the older stuff. Emulators are great for it actually - back in the day I used to reboot my computer about 900 times a day as I was trying to debug assembler (didn't have a single step debugger and of course no memory protection) and figure out what the hardware was doing, and emulators make it much easier.

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    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  7. Re:No even NO, but HELL NO! by Humbubba · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Programming can still be fun if you stick to the code, but it ain't cool like it use to be.

    The programmer's toolbox is better now, with more languages, code can have longer, clearer and more complex lines, safer calls, better garbage collection and modularity, a more uniform common user interface, and sophisticated database interactions.

    What's missing is that great unknown, limitless potential, the clubs, Dr. Dobbs, and the clueless millions wanting, needing and willing to believe whatever you told them. And they were willing to pay too.

    Programming isn't as cool anymore. I know people in IT who look down on programmers, ridicule what they do. They beg their bosses for classes on how to be an administrator and run Windows, Servers, SharePoint, 365, Azure, Exchange, SMS,...

    There is big money in programming, but rarely for programmers. Corporate programming jobs are often outsourced with short short term contracts, or just part time, which negatively affects the software product. The corporations don't care, as long as it doesn't affect the bottom line. Further hampering good programming, the sales departments have become dominant, turning software products into advertising platforms - even the operating system. Surveillance has become an indispensable revenue stream, as businesses have learned from Google and FaceBook how to monetize user information.

    The game industry rakes in over $20 billion annually. As they've gotten richer, they've gotten more paranoid over DRM. 3rd tier business software is everywhere, with customers paying more every year. Accountants', auditors' and governments' standards demand that certain financial information be packaged according to the rule books. If anything goes wrong, until otherwise proved, it's the local programmer's fault. The one exception: if the programmer is in 'the club', they find somebody/something else to blame.

    Yeah, programming can still be fun, but cool - eh.