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Pull Requests Are Accepted At About The Same Rate, Regardless of Gender (techinasia.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Remember that story about how women "get pull requests accepted more (except when you know they're women)." The study actually showed that men also had their code accepted more often when their gender wasn't known, according to Tech In Asia -- and more importantly, the lower acceptance rates (for both men and women) applied mostly to code submitters from outside the GitHub community. "Among insiders, there's no evidence of discrimination against women. In fact, the reverse is true: women who are on the inside and whose genders are easy to discern get more of their code approved, and to a statistically significant degree."

Eight months after the story ran, the BBC finally re-wrote their original headline ("Women write better code, study suggests") and added the crucial detail that acceptance rates for women fell "if they were not regulars on the service and were identified by their gender."

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  1. People of all genders should team up ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    People of all genders should team up and work to put an end to the divisive, discriminatory agenda we see promoted by leftists.

    I've worked in the computing industry for decades. I've worked with men, with women, with men who became women, with women who became men, with people who didn't think they even had a gender, and with people who identified with multiple genders.

    None of us ever had a problem with one another or with committing our code or our hardware designs because of our genders. We were there to get our work done, and whatever flesh we had in our pants didn't matter at all.

    Then leftist sorts started getting involved with the industry, about 8 to 10 years ago. Many of them are commonly described as "Hipsters" or "Millennials". These are people who have been subjected to a rabid form of leftism from their earliest years.

    Once these people got involved with the industry gender suddenly became an issue, because they intentionally made it an issue. Before they came, we all saw ourselves as colleagues. Then these divisive leftists started trying to partition us based on our genders, and to pit us against one another over injustices that don't exist and typically never existed.

    Most of us older workers saw through this bullshit immediately. After all, we'd been working together for 10, 15, even 25 years, without gender ever causing us any problems. But when these Millennial sorts came along, suddenly it was supposed to be a big issue for all of us. Of course, it wasn't in reality.

    The problem, however, is that the older workers are retiring, and being replaced almost fully by these younger workers who are so obsessed with dividing people into groups over trivial and irrelevant attributes. More and more partitioning is taking place.

    I don't think that these Millennials necessarily know that they're doing it, because the leftist agenda has been so ingrained into them from such a young age. Regardless, they're dividing up workplaces that used to be very united and free from prejudice.

    Professionals from all genders or lack of gender should work together to put an end to this leftist-inspired nonsense. If they want to play these pathetic games where they divide us up into different groups, so be it. We should just refuse to play their idiotic leftist game.

    1. Re:People of all genders should team up ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's flamebait. It's got everything - gender, hipsters and millennials, wise older workers, leftists, claiming other people's issues aren't real... It could easily have been copy/pasted from the /. troll playbook.

      I hope it's a sign that people are finally getting fed up with the denials and moaning about it all being a non-issue, and are actually interested in commenting on the story. There is an interesting story here, but the GP completely ignores it.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:People of all genders should team up ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not a hipster, a millennial or a leftist. But I do see gender issues in tech, for both men and women. It's not about dividing people and games, it's about making things better for everyone.

      For example, there was a guy who had his first child at one place I worked. The boss was very upset when he said he wanted to take his full paternity leave allowance, and implied he would never have hired him if he had known. He then spent the next six months berating him for not being a "real man" and not making "his woman" bring up the child.

      He ended up quitting before the child was born in the end (long story). If you don't think it's a problem then fine, you are entitled to that, but don't be a dick by moaning about other people trying to address it. It's not a conspiracy against you, unless you think the manager was right.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    3. Re:People of all genders should team up ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Flamebait? Do you even remember life before internet? We loved it because only your mind mattered. No one cared if you were an adult or a kid, only which of the two you acted like. People would collaborate based on code.

      Then political people started up, like you. You have an agenda and you push it every single time, all agenda, no code. That's toxic to building a community and you end up destroying those you join. You eventually wind up with projects that are more politics than code, nothing gets done, and new projects spring up that the cycle may continue.

  2. Re:Relationship by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since both men and women have their code accepted at higher rates when you know their gender, I wonder if there is a relationship between knowing more about a person and accepting their code. Does knowing someone better mean you are more accepting of their work? If Beth is a working mother of 5 and you know this, does that knowledge make you more or less likely to approve of her code opposed to only knowing that someone made a merge request?

    I don't know, but surely there is something we can be outraged about. We must look harder.

  3. In other research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We found that in modern times, misandry is apparently totally acceptable.

  4. Careful, your slip is showing by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anyone else notice the glaring sexism in the media coverage of this story about purported sexism in programming culture?

    "get pull requests accepted more (except when you know they're women)."

    When it seems like men are getting preferential treatment, the story is portrayed as discrimination against women.

    "Women write better code, study suggests"

    When it seems like women are getting preferential treatment, the story is portrayed as women being superior.

    I propose journalists be forced to write these stories without knowing ahead of time which gender came out on top in a study. After the story has been written, the editor can go back and insert the proper gender-specific word or pronoun.

  5. Re:Relationship by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are these studies even being funded?

    The original crappy study, that TFA debunked, was funded by the National Science Foundation under grant number 1252995. So your tax dollars paid for it.

    I am not totally opposed to all research related to gender discrimination, but when researchers publish statistically invalid garbage, they should be banned from future grants.