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Specs of Qualcomm's First ARM Processor Capable of Running Windows 10 Leaks (mspoweruser.com)
Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon 835's specs have leaked ahead of its CES reveal. An anonymous reader writes: According to the leaked press release, Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 sports the Qualcomm Kryo 280 CPU (quad-core), Qualcomm Adreno 540 GPU, and Qualcomm Hexagon DSP to manage the different workloads. All of this combined together will result in a 27% increase in performance when compared to the previous generation. Qualcomm is also making significant improvements with the Snapdragon 835 when it comes to power consumption. To be precise, the Snapdragon 835 consumes 40% less power than the older generation which is supposed to offer the following: "1+ day of talk time, 5+ days of music playback, and 7+ hours of 4K video streaming. Should your phone need more power, Qualcomm Quick Charge 4 provides five hours of battery life for five minutes of charging." Qualcomm stated in the press release that the Snapdragon also comes with substantial improvements to the graphics rendering and virtual reality. According to the company, the Snapdragon 835 includes "game-changing" enhancements to improve audio, intuitive interactions, and vibrant visuals. The processor also offers 25 percent faster 3D graphic rendering and produces 60X display colors than the Snapdragon 820.
And it's absolutely useless.
... too.
If you don't believe me just visit for example: https://www.microsoft.com/en/m...
So we really have now for a while many Snapdragon products running Windows 10. Is just not the Windows 10 that's hard to run...
I don't know what the marketing apes were thinking.
There doesn't seem to be anything in particular with this SoC that's been tailored to run Windows, so the premise of the article is turned upside down. It isn't the SoC that's capable of running Windows, it's Windows capable of running on this particular SoC. If they can get Windows running on this, then they could get Windows running on about any ARMv8 based device, given device specific drivers.
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Windows 10 alwas leaks, phone or not phone.
The title is right :
"windows 10 leaks"
After the home and pro edition, the Leaks edition, for everybody.
Leaks ought to be okay for everybody.
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It can run much better OSes as well.
After decades of /. geeks announcing the coming of the "Year of the Linux Desktop !", any time soon !
2017 has finally brought us a new meme : It's going to be the "Year of the Windows smartphone/tablet !" any moment now !
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Seriously : Microsoft has completely and definitely lost this battle ages ago, about the time that Google's Android and Apple's iOS acheived a critical mass in their respective apps online stores.
They are now the dominant eco-systems, on what has been becoming the most used platforms around.
And unlike all the other Linux alternatives on portable devices (e.g.: Jolla's Sailfish OS) that can also run Android apps (in this example, using the official commercial Alien Dalvik, or the community SFDroid) and thus tap into one of the dominant apps eco-system,
Microsoft nearly completely failed at these attempts (at least they managed to save something that was salvageable and give "Windows Service for Linux", a.k.a. "Bash on Windows" a.k.a. GNU/Windows) and is left with a platform that no end user is interested in using, because there's nearly no apps on it, because no developer is interested to develop on an extra 3rd platform that currently has no user base at all.
Hey, Microsoft, how is it to be at the receiving end of the "network effect" that you've been abusing for so many years ?
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The headline mentions Windows 10, but the posts here seem to look toward Windows 10 Mobile (the phone version). What seems to be missed is that this SoC has x86 emulation baked in. According to this this article (linked from the story), this new ARM chip is capable of running regular, desktop Windows 10 applications.
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I'm surprised they don't learn. Spreading brand confusion worked so well with Windows RT and with Windows Mobile->Phone->Mobile-> "just Windows"
The headline mentions Windows 10, but the posts here seem to look toward Windows 10 Mobile (the phone version). What seems to be missed is that this SoC has x86 emulation baked in. According to this this article (linked from the story), this new ARM chip is capable of running regular, desktop Windows 10 applications.
Good points. Running Photoshop shows it is at least decent emulation. The article at the end mentioned this might mean Win Phones can run regular Win10 programs, the question is why? Photoshop on a phone? Word or Excel? I would think this is initially aimed at the tablet market. Given the persistent rumors that Apple is also working on OS X/ARM compatibility it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Initially the whole point of ARM that made it so successful on the mobile platform, was simple and energy efficient architecture. Lately it seem that ARM is more about fitting as much complexity as possible into a single chip..
They get paid for licensed patents, but that won't last forever. Well, the patent probably will because patent law is horribly broke, but companies find ways to maneuver around them over time.
You would think they would be trying to get to the phone-as-desktop-computer stage.
Running Photoshop on a phone as a standalone device makes no sense, patched into a full-size monitor it makes complete sense.
It almost looks like phones as portable computers capable of being both mobile devices and (at least lightweight) desktop devices with peripherals seems within reach, and sharing the ability to run the legacy code base.
While that may be true it currently makes little sense to me for several reasons. First you either have to carry the dock everywhere if you want portability which negates the advantage of carrying just a phone. Second, either phones start coming with a lot more storage or they are just the CPU, so essentially all you have is a desktop that has all the programs and files with a detachable CPU. Cloud storage can be an alternative but then you have no offline capability and still need storage for Win10 sized programs or use stripped down alternatives. Data caps would also come into play. There may come a time this model is a viable alternative but as Motorola's attempt provided it's not yet ready for prime time; which is why I think it makes more sense in tablets near term.
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Well except for one thing, Android is dying at the top end. Try to buy an Android tablet and the market has been crushed by 2-in-1 Windows tablets. You can't get a >=11 inch tablet with Android on it now. You won't find an Android tablet with a spec of the likes of a Samsung Note Pro 12.2 now, but that was 3 years ago, you should be able to get something a lot better/bigger/faster. But they've all gone.
Google failed to deliver multiple windows on Android for years after Samsung introduced them. They failed to implement all the pen features like handwriting for years. *Now* Google have finally delivered those APIs (sort of, the pen support is partial) but then Pichai just had to slap his Chrome OS crap into it, pre-announcing a merged OS that effectively undermines Android multi-windows. So Android is dead for yet another year in the top end while manufacturers wait for the next OS to turn up. And the next OS, adds nothing to Android 7 which already supports multiple windows.
So Microsoft have hacked away at the price till you can get a Windows tablet for $50 more than an Android one. And the price difference is the processor, Intel are overpriced for the performance. And so Microsoft are undermining Intel to encourage them to drop the price of chips. Intel are afraid to give away cheap an 8 core 2Ghz 64 bit processor and undermine their desktop processors, but Qualcomm have no desktop market share to undermine.
And now Microsoft owns the top end mobile again that once was only Apple and Android.
As they push downwards, we'll likely see another smartphone attack, this time Phablets from the top end.
It's not that Microsoft are doing things right, its that Google are doing things wrong. Their own tablet, the Pixel C, has no stylus (mid range Samsung devices have), it was their mid-range device too, with a 12 inch Chrome device better than it. Pixel C *still* switches to portrait for apps designed for phones, instead of running them in a vertical window. It still will only run software pre-designed to run in windows in windows, making no attempt to run the apps in a window (yet skins regularly wrap the same apps in a window for overlays etc.). Since 5.0 they've taken the choice to break software, lots of 4.4 software crashed on 5.0 as they force removed every app from memory and adding extra requirements to stay in memory (like raising a notify to warn them you're still running). So imagine corporate apps, they get a new device, and have to rework all their bestope software each version or Google will do something to break their app. Obviously the wrong mindset for business.
Google think they'll finally crack the desktop market with Android merged with Chrome OS, when Chrome OS brings fuck all to the party and they clearly don't have clue. So they make something that looks like an old Window version and somehow that will sell why??
(Note: I leave on the European side of the Atlantic pond. Here around we tend to have functional public transportation)
Simple test: everyday I board a train, I see tons of iOS and Android-powered tablets. A few laptops. And very seldom, once in a blue moon, I might see a Windows convertible hybrid.
Looks like, indeed, the general population doesn't seem to be that much interested into Windows powered hybrids - except for a couple of guys with weird requirement.
(I've seen more Fairphones than that. Hell, I've probably even spotted more *Jolla phones*).
(And I say that as a fully professed nerd with weird hardware requirement).
I think it's mix of, as you mention "Nobody cares about an 12" tablet " and as I mentioned above "I want all my apps here". ...doesn't give a damn as long as Facebook/e-mail/Chrome/Firefox/Spotify/Netflix/WhatsApp/SnapChat/Instagram etc. all run on it)
In short, the in- / ability to run Android Apps completely out-weights any extra features mentioned by the AC above. Like: stylus, bigger screen, more GHz and bits (most people's reaction : "WTF are those numbers?"), Intel CPU (average joe's reaction :
Then as, long as it packs their usual entertainment, the only thing people care about is price.
That explains the huge amount of "100$-150$" price range NoName chinese tablets (all featuring multiple windows, that nobody seems to be using anyway) that seems to have flooded the market.
While at the same time, there is no flood of "powerful windows-running samsung hybrids - featuring stylus !".
If there's a real big winner of the current market trends, it's Mediatek (and other makers of dead cheap ARM SoC that can power tablet that basically cost the price of their display pannel).
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