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Norton Announces Core, a Smart Router To Protect Domestic IoT Devices (cnet.com)
fiannaFailMan writes: Norton has announced the launch of a smart router designed to protect connected home devices from intrusions. The Symantec-owned company says the device aims to keep safe up to 20 devices connected to it, including Windows computers, Macs, phones, tablets or any internet-of-things devices, in real time. Norton Core, shaped a little like a geodesic dome, can isolate an infected device from the rest of your network to prevent the spread of any malware. Some of the technical specifications include a dual-core 1.7GHz processor, 1MB of system memory and 4GB of flash memory, and the latest 4x4 AC2600 Wi-Fi standard, with a top speed on the 5GHz band of 1.73 megabits per second and up to 800Mbps on the 2.4GHz band. It also features four Gigabit LAN ports and can cover between 3,000 and 5,000 square feet.
So I guess it's acceptable for this to let practically everything by while slowing down the network to a crawl?
1) Install Norton security router.
2) Discover that your electricity bill is now $3000 per month and every device that's connected to it runs verrrrryyy slowwwwly.
3) Attempt to remove it from your home, and find that no matter how many times you do so, bits of it are still left under your couch, inside the walls, glued to the ceiling...
4) Realize that removing it from your home properly requires complete demolition and ground-up rebuilding.
No thanks.
So the attackers will just have to buy one of these to make sure their malware passes, just like they do already with desktop AV? I guess that's good for Norton's bottom line.
So effectively, NGF (Next Generation Firewall) "lite" technology is coming to the home. Norton is not the first to this market. I'm pretty sure that might be BitDefender BOX, but I could be mistaken.
Life is not for the lazy.
That's so...1989.
Does it have the Peter Norton bitmap on the case or packaging? That's an essential part of any 'Norton' product.
How many days till we see an advisory for Norton core enabling attackers a method of leveraging Norton core to compromise systems it is supposed to be protecting?
http://fortune.com/2016/06/29/...
Also apparently if you don't renew your subscription your Norton paper egg turns into a Norton paper weight as they disable all access controls on spite not just the scanning/heuristic subscriptions but basic ACL shit too.
From their FAQ:
What do I need to set up Norton Core?
For initial setup, you will need an iOS or Android mobile device that has Bluetooth (BLE) enabled and a data connection. Download the Norton Core app from the Apple Store or Google Play, open the app, and follow the instructions to complete the set up6. The Core app supports both iOS 8.0 or later and Android 4.4 or later.
FAQ this:
What happens if I don’t renew my subscription?
"If you don’t renew the Norton Core Security Plus subscription in the second year, Norton Core will continue to function as a high performance router. All network, IoT, and device level security, plus parental control features will be unavailable if the subscription is not renewed."
Yeah, thanks, but I prefer my equipment to function for more than a year.
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Promise you'll block my Windows 10 PC from calling home and I might be interested.
I come here for the love
Yeah, I'm just being paranoid. Just 'cuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
Twenty devices?
I've got 15 internet-capable devices in my house already - laptops, tablets, phones and media devices - so (were I clinically insane) I could max out this thing just by putting "smart" light-bulbs in my living room.
Are we supposed to have one of these per room?
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I had to ditch my Netgear Nighthawk Router because it only supported 64 WiFi devices. I have close to 100 WiFi devices (mostly IoT) in my house at this time. I switched to Google WiFi Mesh Router because it can actually handle all the devices I have.
But here's a short list of most of what is connected to my WiFi Network and I plan on adding more in the future:
Haiku Homes Lights (40), Switches (10), and Fans (7)
Mitsubishi Ductless Heating System (4 Headers)
Ecobee (controls a Boiler)
Nest Thermostat (controls a forced air HVAC system)
Nest Cameras (4 Outdoor, 3 Indoor)
Nest Smoke and CO Alarms (4)
TP-Link Switches (2 lights, 5 others)
GE Dishwasher
Samsung Washer + Dryer
Sense Electrical Monitor
Amazon Echos (2 regular, 2 dots)
Yamaha Receivers (2)
Samsung TVs (4)
Google Chromcast (4)
Apple TV (2)
Amazon Fire (2)
Harmony Ultimates (2 Remotes, 2 Hubs)
My guess is people who are actively pursuing Smart Home Technologies will need much higher than 20 device capacity.
How is is a shitty 5GHz wifi a selling point?
I trust their hardware like I trust their antivirus...
g0t b33r?
The Norton Core comes in titanium gold and granite gray.
I hate marketing people.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
This is just a home router and firewall. It isn't like a whole class of systems already do this.
Maybe it adds deep packet inspection, or gives you reports on the exact attacks that have been blocked - but so what? What exactly does the average home user need to know about blocking the hundreds of attacks your average home based IP per day?
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
your conversations? That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the "geodesic dome shape" description. Sorry, no Amazon Echo for me and no Norton microphone router either. Kthxbye
No. But if you wear a tinfoil hat I hear that can stop such things from working.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
What they collect (e.g. everything including Your F***ing passwords...)
Wireless network SSID/password (encrypted);
* Device information, including any Personal Information you include when assigning device name(s) and, if provided,
the name of the person to whom the device is assigned, and device user agent data/app user agent data, including
device type, manufacturer, and model; operating system; and IP address;
* Data regarding device usage, including data regarding the time of last device use, internet usage time for each
connected device, and gateway logs detailing network connection activities;
* Website addresses for parental control settings, including blocked websites, visited websites, and time and content
filter information;
* Personal Information you may enter into your profile, including username and your picture;
* Personal Information you provide for customer support and connectivity assistance, such as userID, name, role,
policies, and device information;
* Attempts to download executable files/mobile apps;
* Shipping address and related information.
What they do with it...
* Norton Core uses Google Analyticsâ(TM) Measurement Protocol with IP anonymization parameters to transmit critical error
information (including IP address) and information on your feature usage services (âoeNorton Core Telemetryâ) to Google
Analytics, which is not owned or operated by Symantec.
* Understanding product usage and alerts to inform you of better ways to benefit from a productâ(TM)s features
* Statistical analysis of product deployment
* Providing us with business and marketing information
How they use it...
* We are a global organization and may transfer Your Data to other countries, including countries that may have less protective data protection laws than the country in which you are located.
* may be disclosed in connection with any proposed or actual sale or other transfer of some or all assets of Symantec in the event of a reorganization, merger, acquisition, or sale of our assets;
* may be disclosed and shared if we are ...Here they are clearly saying anyone in law enforcement can simply request data and receive it even if not required by law...
required to do so by law or in response to a request from law enforcement authorities;
* To promote research, awareness, detection, or prevention of security risks, Symantec may disclose Your Data to relevant public
and private entities such as cybersecurity or identity theft research organizations and security software vendors.
Apparently also customers responsibility to make sure their down line users and guests are informed their data is also being collected. Note that "your disclosure" actually means going to the management portal and configuring a new device.
It is your responsibility to ensure that any disclosure by you to Symantec of Personal Information of your users or third parties is
in compliance with applicable privacy and data security laws, including informing users and third parties that you are providing
their Personal Information to Symantec, informing them of how it will be transferred, used, or processed, and gathering
appropriate consents and other legal measures required for such transfer, use, or processing.
5GHz isn't shitty. It doesn't go through walls very well, but that is a different story. The shitty Band is the 2.4 GHz, which if you live anywhere civilized is crowded to the point of being non-functional. I can see at least a dozen 2.4 GHz WiFi APs on my scanner while sitting in my living room. I can see exactly three 5 GHz, with several bands available (no usage).
While coverage isn't great, the bands are more or less free from everyone else's crap.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
5GHz isn't shitty.
It is on this router if it only does 1.73Mbps. I'm also curious about the 1MB of RAM. (Other pages indicate that it's 1.73Gbps and 1GB of RAM, which is in line with modern routers.) Another correction, it's got 4 gigabit ports total, 3 LAN and 1 WAN. This comes as a huge shock, but it seems the editors can't be bothered to proofread anything.
They might as well have offered it in Titanium Gold and Gold Titanium.
Now we finally know what those things are that sit on top of the Imperial Star Destroyers....
Honest question: what IS a good, secure router. I need a new one (old one just died). Given the new router attacks, I went looking for a secure router. The Wirecutter did an overall decent job, but security of the router itself wasn't touched. I found routersecurity.org, and the one they recommend (Peplink Surf SOHO) is a bit pricey (but the security sounds impressive).
The Norton Core comes in titanium gold and granite gray.
They should at least keep the different-same theme going and use "granite marble".
no that is what is left over for user apps after all of the Norton bloat.
They might as well have offered it in Titanium Gold and Gold Titanium.
Reminds me of when I had a 1969 VW Beetle. They have one double-arrow dashboard indicator for the turn signal, with only one bulb. A friend once asked how do you know if it's indicating left or right? I said, completely seriously, for left it blinks off first then on and for right it blinks on first then off. He stared at me looking really confused. I went through it twice more before he realized it was BS. Good times...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Probably an OS that uses Veritas as the filesystem?
Alloy
Alloy
Then, according to the CERN writing guidelines (and others) that would be "titanium-gold" so bzzzt... thanks for playing :-)
Chemical compounds
Chemical compounds and alloys should be hyphenated, but the elements should not be capitalised:
The current in the dipole magnets is carried by cables made of niobium-titanium (NbTi).
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Its literally just a pfsense box with snort installed.
What a sham.
No one has to follow CERN writing guidelines.
The fact that there are practically no routers made in the USA is unnerving to me. Any attempt to make one here, makes me feel better. (At least someone tried!) We need security and control over routers, software and the hardware on our own soil. I personally experienced a lot of joy in 1997 when the WWW opened up. It was fantastically safer place to be before the malicious idiots came on to wreck it with Worms, Trojans, Root kits, Zombie bots, and the like. Plus it didn't have a lot of garbage you had to rummage though before you could find something substantial. It now also contains false/misinformation because some of the people publishing the page had a motive to gain profit from it. Critical thinking, comparison, seeing the source before you read it, and sound judgement are essential to get to the truth these days.
That's excellent.
editors can't be bothered to proofread anything
Welcome to Slashdot, you must be new here! ;) (yes, this is a joke)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
On the product page there is a link to a youtube video - at 00:26 it says 'And protect them from malware"...at the bottom of the video in small writing it ALSO says 'Core does not give you 100% protection' - does that mean I dont have to give you 100% of my subscription fee if malware gets through?