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Fewer People Are Dying of Cancer Than Ever Before (theoutline.com)

The number of Americans dying of cancer has dropped to a 25-year low, equaling an estimated 2,143,200 fewer deaths in that period, says the new annual report from the American Cancer Society. In that time, the racial and gender disparities that exist in cancer rates have also narrowed somewhat, but they remain wide in many places. From a report on The Outline: Though the incidence of cancer remained stable for women and dropped slightly -- by 2 percent -- in men, rates remain overall 20 percent higher in men while rate of death for men is 40 percent higher than in women. The rates of both incidence and death vary wildly based on the type of cancer. The data that the ACS is using run through the end of 2014 for incidents of cancer and through 2013 for deaths. Lung cancer remains the leading cause of cancer death in the United States for both men and women..

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  1. Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    14% of all new cancers are lung cancers. 90% of lung cancer is due to smoking. Stop smoking.

    1. Re: Lung cancer by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

      But is living without tobacco really living? Life is pretty dull without self-destructive behavior.

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    2. Re: Lung cancer by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But is living without tobacco really living? Life is pretty dull without self-destructive behavior.

      Switch to pipe smoking: it'll lower your risk of lung cancer a bit since you don't inhale (other diseases will remain). And pipe smoke is a bit less obnoxious. And a pipe looks cooler than a pack of fags.

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    3. Re:Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The VAST majority of smokers will live to 77 and never see lung cancer. And most of the lung cancer risk associated with smoking can be mitigated with a daily vitamin C supplement. Smoking does take about 4-5 unproductive years off your life expectancy but most 80 year olds would probably be better off dead at 77 if we are going to be objective about quality of life.

    4. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not "due to smoking", but due to pollution, car exhaust with tons of carcinogenic toxic chemicals.

    5. Re: Lung cancer by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nicotine is a great recreational drug and performance enhancer, but smoking/chewing/dipping is horrible for you.

      Vaping is a good alternative, as long as you're willing to look a little like a goofy hipster.

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    6. Re: Lung cancer by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      My grandfather got tumors in his tongue from smoking a pipe. He had to lose part of his tongue but was fine, then he switched to cigarettes and the lung cancer and brain tumors killed him.

      But yeah, I smoke a pipe, even if it does make me look a little like a hipster or steampunk cosplayer.

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    7. Re: Lung cancer by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      How would you know? You haven't experienced it and never will.

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    8. Re: Lung cancer by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's why I don't bike to work. Choking on car exhaust for a 50 minute bike commute seems worse than 25 minutes in a car that theoretically filters some of the air (at least the larger particles). My clothes are dirty after a bike ride and I get black crud when I blow my nose, I can't imagine that is good for me.

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    9. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can have all the cigarettes you want, your health-insurance will cost 4x what non-smokers pay.

    10. Re:Lung cancer by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Cite? Smoking seems to go hand in hand with several other health-related problems and I suspect that, as a group, the VAST majority won't live to be 77.

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    11. Re: Lung cancer by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Where did you get that from? Nicotine is not a carcinogen.

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    12. Re: Lung cancer by skids · · Score: 1

      There's evidence of impact of nicotine itself on lung cell structure. There is not evidence that it is responsible for "most incidence of smoking-related cancer" he's talking out his ass... the role of other chemicals is very well documented.

    13. Re:Lung cancer by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The person who gave me my cancer is a chain smoker who stands a very good chance of outliving me.

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    14. Re: Lung cancer by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Smoke is usually bad for you, even if it's not from tobacco. Firefighters have about double the normal rate for cancer (not just lung cancer), some 60-70% of them develop cancer. (source)

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    15. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually both do. However one source of carcinogens is under your direct control, while the other isn't (unless you want to live in a bubble, never leave your car/home/office or move to a shack in the woods), so... stop smoking.

    16. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No DUE TO SMOKING, not pollution. The other 10% is due to pollution, other factors.

    17. Re: Lung cancer by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Cough, cough (tee hee) don't pat yourselves on the back idiots http://www.npr.org/sections/he.... Americans are just dying before than can get cancer. Well done government/corporate spin, turning the ugly reality of the political dominance of a minority stealing actual life from the majority, into oh look, that parasitical minority is saving you from cancer.

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    18. Re: Lung cancer by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Choking on car exhaust for a 50 minute bike commute seems worse than 25 minutes in a car that theoretically filters some of the air (at least the larger particles).

      Theoretically? My car absolutely filters most of the air that comes in, and it does it with a carbon filter, to boot. That every car does not have an activated carbon cabin air filter is a goddamned crime.

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    19. Re:Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      70% of lung cancer, at most, is due to smoking

    20. Re:Lung cancer by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      And most of the lung cancer risk associated with smoking can be mitigated with a daily vitamin C supplement.

      Linus Pauling, is that you?

    21. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people just think like you, and the problem will never be solved. The issue is even getting worse, amplified by this short term behavior. Nevertheless, Cooperative behavior is still the best solution for everybody.

      Humanity sucks.

    22. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be a man and kill him.

    23. Re: Lung cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! That is bad

    24. Re:Lung cancer by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      lol...show me a peer reviewed study that confirms vitamin C has an effect on lung cancer. Additionally, there are many other cancers besides lung cancer (almost all of them) that smoking does a great job of setting you up for.

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    25. Re: Lung cancer by Maritz · · Score: 1

      None the wiser as to what the hell you're talking about to be honest.

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    26. Re:Lung cancer by MercTech · · Score: 1

      "14% of all new cancers are lung cancers. 90% of lung cancer is due to smoking. Stop smoking."

      Citation needed.... 90%? Really? Pull the other one, it has bells on.

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  2. Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    "Lung cancer remains the leading cause of cancer death in the United States for both men and women." This is information that every child should learn.

    1. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Lung cancer remains the leading cause of cancer death in the United States for both men and women." This is information that every child should learn.

      "The decline in deaths from cancer is attributed largely to the fact that fewer people smoke — from about 42 percent in 1965 to 17 percent in 2013..."

      And this is information we should acknowledge before believing that cancer treatments or the ACA has had some kind of massive impact on saving lives, which I'm certain this report will be abused by marketing campaigns for years to come.

    2. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fighting cancer with chemotherapy (carcinogenic) and radiation (carcinogenic) is fighting fire with fire. No matter what you are goanna get burned, and most likely become a repeat customer down the road.

    3. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by eepok · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ehh... I think the better tack is to reinforce that preventing cancer is a cheaper and more effective tactic than treating it. As in all things "health and safety", prevention trumps mitigation.

    4. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      We've also had this start to show up about 10 years ago, so I'm sure it's had some impact.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    5. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like fighting fire with carpet bombing, but yes.

    6. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by skids · · Score: 1

      Anecdotally I happen to know one person for whom both the ACA and new therapies (they totally replaced his white blood cells with healthy clones) did work out.

      Or in other words, "attributed largely" does not mean "attributed entirely", and it is worth the the time to know where the rest came from.

    7. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by geekmux · · Score: 0

      Fighting cancer with revenue (chemotherapy) and more revenue (radiation) is fighting fire with greed. No matter what they are gonna make money, and you will most likely become a repeat customer down the road.

      FTFY, in case there was any question or doubt as to why we fight fire with fire.

    8. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...and yet cancer deaths are down. It must help someone.

      You're just f*cked if your weak leak is your lungs.

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    9. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately a lot of ideas in that regard are pure snake oil. Like anything else it gets politicized by people pushing an agenda.

      Our understanding of cancer and our own bodies is pretty rudimentary. I'm not even sure it's up to the point of "we understand the depths of our ignorance" yet.

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    10. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Your white blood cells are constantly re-generated. Replacing one batch of them isn't really going to do much.

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    11. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Red cells are constantly regenerated. Not so white cells: Lymphocytes live for many years. That's why immunity is possible.

      It's a routine procedure now to just every white cell plus the stem cells that make them, and transplant in a new stem cell population. Bone marrow transplant. It's still a dangerous process with a considerable mortality rate, but routine even so in cases where not using it would result in certain death anyway.

    12. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original paper does not say that:

      >The decline in cancer mortality over the past 2 decades is the result of steady reductions in smoking and advances in early detection and treatment, reflected in considerable decreases for the 4 major cancers (lung, breast, prostate, and colorectum) (Fig. 7)

    13. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Our understanding of cancer and our own bodies is pretty rudimentary. I'm not even sure it's up to the point of "we understand the depths of our ignorance" yet.

      Have you ever opened a book about the subject?

      Our understanding of our own bodies and the process involved in cancer have done major progress lately (15 years). Thanks to major evolution in sequencing methods (DNA, cDNA, Proteins, ...). The mechanism of cancers are well described to the molecular level. Look for kegg pathways DB, protein databank, for example.

      What we are still unable, is to design effective drugs that have not major effects on unaltered cells. It is far from "Our understanding of cancer and our own bodies is pretty rudimentary".

    14. Re:Smoking more, but enjoying it less? by skids · · Score: 1

      They kill all your existing cells and transplant the cloned stems, some of which migrate to the bone marrow and become the source of future supply.

  3. Propaganda? by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The report estimates that the Affordable Care Act is working to reduce long-standing racial disparities in cancer rates."

    Has the ACA been around long enough to impact cancer rates? The law was passed in 2010 and it took quite a while to get the exchanges up and running, get people enrolled, and then get them to actually see a doctor.

    I have a hard time believing that in a few short years, the ACA could have a meaningful impact on cancer rates.

    This smells like propaganda.

    1. Re:Propaganda? by Ionized · · Score: 1, Insightful

      cancer DEATHS, not incidences of new cancer.

      yes, it's quite plausible that having insurance for a few years would be the difference between dying to cancer, versus surviving it via radiation and/or chemo, or getting a transplant for a cancerous organ.

    2. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's rates of people DYING to cancer, not rates of people getting cancer. The ACA has insured 20,000,000 people that would have otherwise died to cancer and has been around for 6 years. I believe it.

    3. Re:Propaganda? by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not to worry, then. The Republicans will put survivability down where it belongs. After all, in a Libertarian paradise, the poor should rightly and properly die from cancer.

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    4. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ACA plan... $900 a month. Unaffordable to most, but SUBSIDIES!
      ACA plan deductible $6000 before it pays out a cent. Congrats on your subsidy, now you can't afford the deductible.

      Middle class, no subsidy... $10800 before it begins paying out a cent.

      I doubt the ACA has ACTUALLY helped anyone. In the tiny cases it has, it has cause 1000 more people financial disaster in its wake. People spouting it is good are partisan idiots who are not financially responsible for themselves.

    5. Re:Propaganda? by geekmux · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The report estimates that the Affordable Care Act is working to reduce long-standing racial disparities in cancer rates."

      Has the ACA been around long enough to impact cancer rates? The law was passed in 2010 and it took quite a while to get the exchanges up and running, get people enrolled, and then get them to actually see a doctor.

      I have a hard time believing that in a few short years, the ACA could have a meaningful impact on cancer rates.

      This smells like propaganda.

      "The decline in deaths from cancer is attributed largely to the fact that fewer people smoke — from about 42 percent in 1965 to 17 percent in 2013..."

      That's because it is propaganda.

    6. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get in your safe space, buttercup

    7. Re:Propaganda? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Don't force someone else to pay for your stuff-- and that includes your medical treatment.

      all the Welfare state is wrong, right? Public illumination and transport can't exists, right?

    8. Re:Propaganda? by eepok · · Score: 2

      That line said nothing about ACA taking credit for the reduction. It simply says that the law is working towards that same goal with the added focus of reducing racial disparities.

    9. Re:Propaganda? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Troll

      Ah yes, the nice sociopathic Libertarian "you have the freedom to starve" line. I love how greedy sociopaths try to philosophically justify what amounts to a big "fuck you" to the rest of society.

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    10. Re:Propaganda? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      "all subsidy is bad!" guy, are you?

    11. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on. In the Libertarian Paradise, poor people should just stop being poor, and then they could pay for their own medical treatment! Oh, also, medical treatment would be so cheap that anyone could afford it, because it would be unburdened by job-killing regulation!

    12. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Do you really think you aren't paying for someone else's medical expenses now?
      How exactly do you think private insurance works?
      Do you realize that the per capita medical expense in the United States is literally twice as high as that of France, where healthcare is fully federalized?

    13. Re:Propaganda? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      If you need heart surgery, kidney transplant, or have a premature birth, $10k is a drop in the bucket. You'll want that insurance so you aren't wiped out financially.

      Years ago my friend lost his job while his wife was pregnant, he kept paying for insurance out of pocket through COBRA. It was extremely expensive for him, but luckily he did. He had twin babies premature and the hospital bill was over a million dollars. Everything worked out, luckily. If he didn't have insurance he would have been financially ruined at the very least.

      March of Dimes has some excellent reads on the statistics of premature birth, including the rates for uninsured mothers.

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    14. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can give a man a fish, you can teach them to fish, or you can watch them starve.

      What is best for the libertarian fish?

    15. Re:Propaganda? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0

      My Pre-ACA HMO plan was $440/month for me and my children. No deductibles. Just a co-payment for hospital and doctor visits.
      After the ACA took effect, the HMO plan became too expensive for my employer so I had to go to a PPO plan. It cost me $250/month but everything cost more money. Higher co-pays, a BS deductible, less overall coverage. My daughter needed an EKG and that cost over $1,100.

      I'm happy that there are people who didn't have coverage before that do now but my coverage was not as good after as it was before and I keep seeing assholes tell me how great the ACA is for me.

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    16. Re:Propaganda? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, the most important factor in the cancer statistics was smoking (as the summary references, lung cancer). It is also a huge factor in longevity statistics, as smokers die younger (and it's not entirely clear that lung cancer is worse than emphysema). Be aware of that when people say, "country X does better at healthcare because people live longer." If they haven't adjusted for smoking rates, then they are spreading propaganda, not knowledge.

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    17. Re:Propaganda? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Your mere existence inflicts damage on someone else's life. The fact that you haven't killed yourself shows that you are a hypocrite.

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    18. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are always outliers, bits of evidence that contract what is held at our core beliefs, and works to challenge every tenant of our currently established world view.
      I am one of those outliers.
      Because OP is so stupid, his post gave me cancer.

    19. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling out selfish behavior is not being a sociopath. If it was, MightyMartian is one of the nastiest sociopaths on slashdot.

    20. Re:Propaganda? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      yes, it's quite plausible that having insurance for a few years would be the difference between dying to cancer, versus surviving it via radiation and/or chemo, or getting a transplant for a cancerous organ.

      Or it could be the invention and wide spread adoption of immunotherapy in the past few years.

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    21. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note how you have not identified anything to do with the ACA that specifically caused your situation to change.

      Maybe they just told you it was all changing for their own gain and you believed it was the ACA's fault without thinking.

    22. Re:Propaganda? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The law was passed in 2010 and it took quite a while to get the exchanges up and running, get people enrolled, and then get them to actually see a doctor.

      You don't have to be fully cured of cancer for your treatment to have an impact on rates of death. All the people who are currently in treatment, who otherwise wouldn't be and would have died by now (which could have been just months or weeks away when they started treatment), will be helping the numbers.

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    23. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plausible, yes; established, no.

    24. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you build a man a fire, he will stay warm a few hours. If you set a man on fire. He will be warm the rest of his life.

    25. Re:Propaganda? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In this case, it is. Subsidizing a for-profit company just drives the cost up for everyone, because suddenly the people who could barely afford it can easily afford it, so they can afford to pay more by a sizable percentage of the subsidy amount.

      The only viable way to drive insurance costs down is through the public option that the Democrats wanted in the first place and that the Republicans forced them to bury. You'll notice that outside the third world, everybody else has socialized medicine, everybody else has cheaper medical care, and most if it is as good as (if not better than) ours. For critical services that everybody has to have to survive, nothing beats good, old-fashioned socialism. It is when socialism starts to spread into non-critical areas that countries turn into hellholes. Yet somehow, in their zeal for painting socialism as evil, the U.S. right wing has managed to create a system that is worse by preventing socialism in various areas where it is the only viable option, such as healthcare and critical infrastructure.

      *sigh*

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    26. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron, the ACA is more than just subsidizing insurance for not-quite-poor people. Much of the impact has been due to Medicaid expansion. Yes, the subsidized insurance programs have been less than successful. No, the entire program isn't a waste.

      For the last few years, medicare expansion is basically sending subsidy money directly to medicare (and eventually the doctor) rather than to the insurance company (and eventually the doctor). It is the same "subsidy" except we use a different middle man (an insurance company bureaucracy vs a government bureaucracy).

      Under the ACA, the federal government paid 100% for medicaid expansion from 2014 to 2016. Eventually by 2020, the states have to kick in 10% for medicaid expansion. Some "voodoo" economics math predicts that this might be close to break even for the state (the 90% contributed by the feds will be of course spent by medicare health providers in the state generating some tax revenues to offset the 10% cost), but if states eventually need to increase marginal tax rates to come up with some of the 10%, it will tend to impact the not-quite-poor people that they were trying to help, so it's unclear if this will actually be any better than any other subsidized insurance in the long term.

      Of course it gets them insured now by medicaid (rather than waiting for a sub-bronze insurance market to develop), so in that sense it isn't a waste, but it may not be any more affordable than subsidized insurance in the long term. Medicaid expansion is mostly just a ploy for getting more people into the single-payer pool (presumably that is the end-game that the ACA proponents were after in the long term anyhow).

    27. Re: Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subsidies are the only form that governments ("the collective") can incentive some activities in a market - the invisible hand don't works well in certain situations, you know... You are an "American" (from US), right?

    28. Re:Propaganda? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Work hard. Save money. Pay for the things that you want to pay for. Don't force someone else to pay for your stuff-- and that includes your medical treatment.

      Grow wings. Learn to fly. That's roughly how likely 99.9% of the population are to ever pay for a major stay at the ICU out of pocket. So unless you want to make due totally without you need to get insurance. I like insurance when it's reasonably clear what the terms and conditions are like theft or fire. Health insurance is a horror show, it's paying money into a black hole hoping that some day you get the help you need if shit hits the fan.

      But if you show any signs of actually needing that help, they'll do their best to get rid of you. The hospital wants to over-treat you to bill more, the insurance company wants to under-treat you to pay less and if you end up in any conflict about the degree or quality of care you'll be fighting in court instead of getting well. It's the freedom to starve or eat what turd you will. Or you could have a sandwich, whether or not you want it or not because they already taxed you for it.

      I don't like many aspects of the nanny state, but I think it has to be somewhat balanced up against the realistic choices people have. Otherwise you might argue you should be able to make slave contracts, if only you find people far enough backed into a corner they'll do it "willingly". Or if your parents are bums who won't pay your schooling then you shouldn't get any K-12 education, what real choice does a six year old have? There's such a thing as too much freedom...

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    29. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MightyMorphin is only paid to troll global warming threads. This one is obviously a fake.

    30. Re:Propaganda? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      The only viable way to drive insurance costs down is through the public option that the Democrats wanted in the first place and that the Republicans forced them to bury.

      Please explain to me how this happened as not a single Republican voted for the ACA and were in the minority in both chambers. In the US Senate their numbers were so few that they couldn't even filibuster it. That giant turd of a law is owned entirely by the democrats. If you say it is because the Democrats negotiated in good faith with the Republicans then what about all the horse trading within their own party to get the fucking thing passed?

      House Vote
      Democrat Yes: 216
      Democrat No: 34
      Republican No: 178
      Senate Vote
      Democrat Yes: 58
      Independent yes: 2
      Republican No: 39
      Republican not voting: 1

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    31. Re:Propaganda? by skids · · Score: 1

      Basically the Republicans were no help at all, because their leadership and lobbyist horde made them tremble in their boots and stay in line, and the margin was so slim in the Senate that some of the more conservative Democrats were able exert outsized influence.

      It almost went completely belly up when Scott Brown won Kennedy's old seat. Had that not happened, or had even one Republican dared to cross the isle, the law would quite possibly have been better. Two.. maybe even better than that.

    32. Re:Propaganda? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      decline in deaths from cancer is attributed largely to the fact that fewer people smoke

      If that is true, then most of the change should be from the single category of lung cancer. I'll see if I can find a change break-down by category.

    33. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not propaganda. It's data. Data doesn't care what you think.

      The ACA was designed to increase access to health care and it's done that. Many more people who previously did not have good health care have it now. (It may not have done it in a way you like, however)

      Increased access to healthcare improves outcomes for cancer cases - It gets caught earlier when it's more treatable and extends the lives of those who have more advanced cases.

      As an aggregate, the effects off increased health care access should be noticed almost immediately.

    34. Re:Propaganda? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      The statement does sound over the top, but ACA could help people detect certain cancers early enough to treat. This, of course, would not impact the # of cases but it would probably lower the deaths.

      I do think 6 years is more than enough time to have an impact. My father-in-law, who was a lifetime smoker, died 5 weeks after diagnosis. He made the choice not to go to the doctor until it was too late and the cancer had spread. I use this as an example because this may happen very often in the US as well. ACA could be a reason more people are seeing the doctor more frequently and the early detection could lead to higher survivability rates.

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    35. Re:Propaganda? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      By "troll" you mean call you, Heartland shill, out everytime I spot you lying.

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    36. Re:Propaganda? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Yes, there'd be a witch doctor on every corner!

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    37. Re:Propaganda? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Please explain to me how this happened as not a single Republican voted for the ACA and were in the minority in both chambers.

      As I recall, the Democrats couldn't get it out of committee by themselves.

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    38. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Grow wings. Learn to fly. That's roughly how likely 99.9% of the population are to ever pay for a major stay at the ICU out of pocket.

      That's why you get insurance like a responsible adult.

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    39. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      I know people that you would consider poor. They don't need you to rescue them and would be insulted at the implication. They manage somehow and actually have the ability and wherewithall to use the best surgeon available.

      Being poor should suck. You shouldn't get what you didn't earn. That will just discourage responsible people that allow your ponzi scheme to function.

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    40. Re: Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And US has below average quality also. Just by improving quality you eould get better health care

    41. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Immunotherapy is still bleeding edge stuff with much of it not out of trials yet. It probably hasn't impacted survival numbers yet.

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    42. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      So? You want medical care as crapulent as public transportation.

      I would rather have something better than that (on both counts).

      I don't want to be forced to suffer over your shortsightedness and cheapness. I should be able to escape the government monopoly you would impose on either.

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    43. Re:Propaganda? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Many, many cancers have high survival rates when detected early. To detect it early, people have to see their doctor regularly. If you don't have insurance,you do not ever see a doctor until you're extremely ill because you know any treatment will bankrupt you. There are now fewer people without insurance. It would be utterly absurd for cancer deaths not to have been reduced as a result.

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    44. Re: Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      That's just liberal media propaganda based on a few carefully cherry picked metrics.

      I have no interest in UK or Canadian wait times.

      I would rather be in the country that makes the overpriced miracle cure rather than the one that whines about how much they cost.

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    45. Re:Propaganda? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "The decline in deaths from cancer is attributed largely to the fact that fewer people smoke — from about 42 percent in 1965 to 17 percent in 2013..."

      Lung cancers are around 15% of all cancers and between 80-95% of those are caused by smoking. Smoking has gone from 25% down to 17% in the last 25 years. At the very best this would contribute to a change of a couple of percent at the most in the changing cancer death rate. Instead what we have here is a 25% change.

      That is attributed to new screening methods and new treatment methods.

      Stopping smoking is a good thing, but it is not what caused this change.

    46. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Medicaid expansion destroyed healthcare availability in some states. Doctors were forced to take it and fled. Medicaid reimbursement rates suck. They're too low to allow doctors to remain in business.

      Stuff like Medicaid is where US healthcare is really embarrassing.

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    47. Re:Propaganda? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Public options suck in America. All of them do.

      Expanding them is really not a great option. They need to be fixed. "do-gooders" talk a good game but ultimately they don't want to actually pay for this stuff. As a result coverage and services are inferior and reimbursement rates are unsustainable.

      You're a flaming hypocrite.

      Dems are just left of Tories suggesting an NHS with 1/3rd the budget.

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    48. Re:Propaganda? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Libertarians think that forcing someone else to prolong your life is selfish and wrong.

      I believe that a chance for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be a universal human right. I believe libertarians are selfish and wrong for denying their fellow humans the right to live. It takes a not merely selfish but downright sadistic society to knowingly let millions of citizens die by denying them health coverage, and then turn around and ask the dying man in the street "how could you be so selfish and wrong as to try to force me to prolong your life?"

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    49. Re:Propaganda? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Immunotherapy is still bleeding edge stuff with much of it not out of trials yet. It probably hasn't impacted survival numbers yet.

      The FDA has been fast-tracking immunotherapy drugs. Pembrolizumab and Ipilimumab have been approved and credited with the remarkable remission in Jimmy Carter.

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    50. Re:Propaganda? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Ipilimumab and Pembrolizumab were fast-track approved by the FDA. They are credited with getting Jimmy Carter into remission.

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    51. Re:Propaganda? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Public options suck in America. All of them do.

      What public option would that be? Seniors don't have a choice (you aren't allowed to buy separate insurance other than Medicare, and supplemental policies only reduce the deductible; they won't cover anything that Medicare doesn't), so they don't really have a public option because it isn't optional. And the indigent (Medicaid) also don't really have a choice; they get covered whether they want it or not. Both of those groups are some of the highest-cost groups you can insure, so the fact that it functions at all is, frankly, amazing. And nobody outside those high-cost groups has any public option in the U.S., AFAIK.

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    52. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that explain the reduction in racial disparity? Better treatment are great, access to it is a different part of the equation.

    53. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stuff like Medicaid is where US healthcare is really embarrassing.

      It will have to queue up at the very least behind private insurers, drug pricing and the complete joke that is a market system with little price transparency. At the very least the last two have impact on Medicaid, possibly the first one two.

    54. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a threshold buffer effect. The constant death rate is (temporarily) reduced when more people get palliative care and displace their death into the next year. However, once the buffer is full, the stream picks up where it left off.

      Politicians love effects like this that seemingly provide piles of anecdotal evidence for something that is actually quite wrong.

      It's the fake news paradigm. Everyone carries amd many remember the fake news, but few notice the retraction later.

    55. Re:Propaganda? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The rest of the post goes on to describe the difficulties posed by a private insurance system, specifically the conflict of interest between the patient (who needs expensive treatment) and the insurance company (who wants rid of the patient, now they have become a liability).

    56. Re:Propaganda? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "The decline in deaths from cancer is attributed largely to the fact that fewer people smoke — from about 42 percent in 1965 to 17 percent in 2013..."

      Lung cancers are around 15% of all cancers and between 80-95% of those are caused by smoking. Smoking has gone from 25% down to 17% in the last 25 years. At the very best this would contribute to a change of a couple of percent at the most in the changing cancer death rate. Instead what we have here is a 25% change.

      That is attributed to new screening methods and new treatment methods.

      Stopping smoking is a good thing, but it is not what caused this change.

      Curing or removing cancer from the human body does not create immortality, so the other large impact on this overall metric is what they consider a "cancer survivor".

      Perhaps screenings are getting better and therefore more people are living just long enough to be labeled a "survivor" and thus do not become a statistic in category of death by cancer. I believe that survivor metric has not changed in a very long time, which enables statistics like this to be flaunted based on slight improvements, but those improvements may not be as grand and spectacular as the overall 25% claim here. Since cancer often strikes people in their elderly years, mortality statistics can be abused, documenting death by "old age" as opposed to a mark against cancer fatalities due to a recurrence that ultimately ended a life.

    57. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic economics. If you increase the demand for something without increasing the supply, prices will go up.

    58. Re:Propaganda? by erapert · · Score: 1

      I love how greedy sociopaths try to philosophically justify what amounts to a big "fuck you" to the rest of society.

      1. How is it greedy to want to keep what I earn?
      2. How is it not greedy to want to force me to give what I have to you without my consent?
      3. Considering how many millions died under communist and socialist governments in the previous century it's a bit rich for you to call someone espousing libertarianism a sociopath.
      4. Calling me a sociopath is an ad hominem isn't it?
      5. I don't bear any ill will toward the rest of society that isn't trying to rob me. So stop putting words in my mouth.

    59. Re:Propaganda? by erapert · · Score: 1

      How exactly do you think private insurance works?

      Straw man.
      I'm a thirty-something who is not overweight. I think private insurance is unwise.

    60. Re:Propaganda? by erapert · · Score: 1

      I believe that a chance for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be a universal human right.

      I agree.
      I just don't agree that you have a right to things at my expense just like I don't have a right to force you to pay for my house.
      I'm not preventing you from living, nor from pursuing whatever you think makes you happy. I ask that you do the same for me.

      I believe libertarians are selfish and wrong for denying their fellow humans the right to live.

      Not interfering into someone else's affairs isn't denying them anything.
      Otherwise you must accept that you're denying me a house by not buying one for me (or paying my mortgage).
      But let's get down to brass tacks: how many dying people have you saved? How many people's insurance bill have you personally paid for?
      Those are rhetorical questions, by the way, because there's no proof you could give on the internet of having done these things.

  4. Cancer is a killer but by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    folks usually tend to die do to complications associated with Cancer, versus the disease itself.

    For example, you get Cancer and go through the treatments.

    The treatments absolutely destroy your immune system.
    The $common_ailment shows up and kills you because your body cannot defend against it.

    In trying to stave off the inevitable, we make it easier for the common cold to kick our ass.

    1. Re:Cancer is a killer but by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So far as I understand it, when people get to any kind of stage 4 cancer, the causes of death are either due to metastasis (the invasion of the cancer into other tissues) or through the tumor severely impacting organs. The whole "chemo is the killer" is simply a meme invented by the alternative medicine quacks to sell you on poppy seed oil or whatever crackpottery they're trying to foist on morons today.

      Yes, cancer kills you. Lung cancer, even if it doesn't spread will literally see you slowly asphyxiated as the lungs' ability to absorb oxygen degrades. The fact is that techniques like chemo (which have come a very long way in the last 25 years), radiation and surgey can prolong your life, if not outright save it, whereas 50 or 60 years ago, many cancers were simply a death sentence.

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    2. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great point... I was JUST reading about this and how many of the patients succumb to the side-effects/illnesses that are a result of the chemo/radiation.

      It's terrible that it's still our first best option. Makes me think of a patient going to a doctor for a small 1st degree sunburn, and the doctor saying "no problem, just spend an entire month on the beach letting your entire body burn. Hopefully, many months and bill$ later you'll be all good!"

    3. Re:Cancer is a killer but by erapert · · Score: 1

      Understood, but I think you also agree that if you gain a net couple of years of life then it's worth it.

    4. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of cancers are a death sentence and the prolonging of life bit is for the most part a bad joke. The quality of life they prolong is atrocious and they don't even prolong it that much for the most part. With lung cancer they've added like 6 weeks to median survival outlook in 40 years. Lung cancers kill in like 2-3 months after diagnosis. 6 weeks used to be the figure they gave. Now it's 3 months. They've done better with breast cancer. Breast cancer patients can now like a solid 5-6 years like Elizabeth Edwards but quality of life for those last 2 is basically so bad I'd eat a bullet first. With colon cancer -- forget it. The basic treatment regime hasn't changed in decades. They can maybe give you an extra 3 months with Avastin assuming you're in the 50% of patients who respond to it at all and then you are just a skeleton barely able to move for an extra 3 months. For brain tumors -- that's as bad as the story with lung cancer. Gleoblastomas = 2-3 months and you are gone for the most part.

      Solid tumors = death. Bloor cancers in people under 60 the results are much better. 90% 5 year survival rates but that's been true for a long time. Blood cancers over 60 = go coffin shopping.

      Most oncologists who get cancer either take minimum treatment or do no treatment at all.

    5. Re:Cancer is a killer but by mjwx · · Score: 1

      So far as I understand it, when people get to any kind of stage 4 cancer, the causes of death are either due to metastasis (the invasion of the cancer into other tissues) or through the tumor severely impacting organs. The whole "chemo is the killer" is simply a meme invented by the alternative medicine quacks to sell you on poppy seed oil or whatever crackpottery they're trying to foist on morons today.

      Yes, cancer kills you. Lung cancer, even if it doesn't spread will literally see you slowly asphyxiated as the lungs' ability to absorb oxygen degrades. The fact is that techniques like chemo (which have come a very long way in the last 25 years), radiation and surgey can prolong your life, if not outright save it, whereas 50 or 60 years ago, many cancers were simply a death sentence.

      This. For the most part I'd attribute the drop in deaths from cancer to improvements in detection and general awareness of cancer. To a lesser extent, the reduction of smoking uptake rates although if you wanted to class that as "general awareness of cancer" I'd see your point.

      Cancer treatments work best when cancers are detected early, the last 25 years (or more) has seen an emphasis on early detection as well as advancements in diagnosis.

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    6. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far as I understand it, when people get to any kind of stage 4 cancer, the causes of death are either due to metastasis (the invasion of the cancer into other tissues) or through the tumor severely impacting organs. The whole "chemo is the killer" is simply a meme invented by the alternative medicine quacks to sell you on poppy seed oil or whatever crackpottery they're trying to foist on morons today.

      Yes, cancer kills you. Lung cancer, even if it doesn't spread will literally see you slowly asphyxiated as the lungs' ability to absorb oxygen degrades. The fact is that techniques like chemo (which have come a very long way in the last 25 years), radiation and surgey can prolong your life, if not outright save it, whereas 50 or 60 years ago, many cancers were simply a death sentence.

      And I'll believe we've come a "long way" when they choose to move the goalposts when measuring survival rates. Seems that five-year metric hasn't changed in quite a long time, making claims of improving rather dubious.

    7. Re:Cancer is a killer but by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And your qualifications for assessing these statistics are what exactly?

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    8. Re:Cancer is a killer but by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

      I'll have to respectfully disagree with you here.

      The last few years of life for folks with cancer is typically anything but pleasant. In and out of hospitals, in terrible health, life savings dwindling away to pay for treatments and they really look like the living dead. One parent died from complications from Breast Cancer ( lungs kept filling with fluid ), another nearly died recently due to what the chemo treatments have done to their immune system. ( Flu showed up and went into a frenzy since the body has nothing to fight it with )

      Thus my ( now downmodded to Flamebait ) previous statement.

      I think I would rather die quickly and be done with it rather than drag it out knowing what kind of quality of life awaits.

      At least my beneficiaries will be able to use my savings instead of it going to pay for treatments that will ultimately fail me anyway.

    9. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah yeah, that's why the current 10 years survival for breast cancer is 80%... (it was around 40% in 1980) and more than 98% for testicular cancer (69% in 1980) even 80% of stage IV testicular cancer have a 10 years survival .

      And your 90% 5 years survival for leukemia since a long time is a joke. In the 70' it was 5%..

    10. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My dad died of colon cancer a few months ago. It was stage 4 by the time it was diagnosed. Chemo made him feel better for about a month. Then it made him feel worse for a month. Then he went into hospice care and died. From diagnosis to death, he lasted about 14 weeks.

      Cause of death was either PE blood clots due to tumor activity, starvation, or morphine overdose. It hurt when he ate, so he stopped eating. It also hurt when he passed blood clots, and passing anything comes from ingesting anything. After a while, it hurt not to eat, so he was given morphine (remember, hospice care here) to ease the pain. He died when the morphine eased his pain to the point that he breathed too slowly to absorb enough oxygen to keep his brain going. Aggravating factors included having one lung full of fluid and the other lung about 70% full, again, due to the tumor.

      The chemo didn't kill him. Cancer did. It hasn't changed from being a death sentence. It just isn't always as quick.

    11. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      So far as I understand it, when people get to any kind of stage 4 cancer, the causes of death are either due to metastasis (the invasion of the cancer into other tissues) or through the tumor severely impacting organs. The whole "chemo is the killer" is simply a meme invented by the alternative medicine quacks to sell you on poppy seed oil or whatever crackpottery they're trying to foist on morons today.

      Actually chemo is a killer. The whole point of chemo is to kill the cancer cells faster than the healthy ones. It's the biological equivalent carpet bombing. Yeah, you're going to take out some friendlies but you'll get more of bad guys.

      That being said, chemo does work. Alt-quackery does not.

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    12. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My late partner had stage 4 lung cancer diagnosed in spring last year. She died in the autumn. She had given up smoking in early 2016 after me hinting that I'd prefer it if she did. Radiotherapy helped a little, but she contracted pneumonia before having chemo, then wasn't fit enough for chemo. It is a fucking horrible thing to watch someone you love waste away in front of you and I wouldn't wish even my worst enemy go through it.
      If complementary therapy helps the patient and doesn't hinder the treatment, then the patient should keep going with both that and their normal medical treatment. A positive outlook can help the patient cope with the side effects of chemo, some of which are damn near intolerable.

      If you smoke, do your damnest to kick it. If nothing else you'll have more money to spend on other stuff.

    13. Re:Cancer is a killer but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They call you a cancer "survivor" if you manage to live more than 5 years after diagnosis/ treatment. Not many make it further than that. If you want to spend those 5 years sick from radiation, go right ahead.

  5. Radon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As for the lung cancer prevalence being so high (which was never helped due to smoking, environmental pollutants, and the like) I keep hearing more and more about radon and getting your house tested for it. Apparently it's a sure fire way to get lung cancer if the concentrations are high enough.

    I've heard that in the US, there are higher concentrations of the stuff in the ground on the east coast, but I'll have to google.

    Also, I wonder if this shed any light on why cancer rates are so much higher in 1st world countries, though I'm sure a lot of that has to do with some of the factors I mentioned earlier.

    1. Re: Radon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very possible. I live in Charlottesville, VA and my basement tested high for radon, so I had a mitigation system installed. Nearly everyone in my area has one.

      Tested yearly since and it seems to be working.

  6. Smells like? by skam240 · · Score: 1

    "This smells like propaganda."

    No, that's just your brain tumor.

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  7. Inaccurate headline... by BillCable · · Score: 1

    "Fewer People Are Dying of Cancer Than Ever Before"

    I'd hazard to posit that fewer people died of cancer in the ancient Mesopotamian era than died in 2016.

    1. Re:Inaccurate headline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fewer People Are Dying of Cancer Than Ever Before"

      I'd hazard to posit that fewer people died of cancer in the ancient Mesopotamian era than died in 2016.

      Fewer may have been treated, but today we are surrounded by carcinogens and the population is higher, so not likely.

    2. Re:Inaccurate headline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is our modern bias. We all know that the death rate was so much higher before, but death is so rare now that we think it was always like this. Imagine that. Even though everyone dies, death is still a rare event.

    3. Re:Inaccurate headline... by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      The article claims that in 2017, about 600k deaths are project in the US due to cancer.

      According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., the population of the world around 3000 BC (assuming this is roughly the Mesopotamian era) was about 14 million.

      600k in a year back then would be roughly 4% of the population. This seems very unlikely. If you accept the premise that we are surrounded by carcinogens moreso today than back then, you would expect the cancer death rate to be lower back then. I would also suspect that other forms of death would be more prevalent than cancer.

  8. when it's your loved one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's all you care about

  9. So you don't die of cancer... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    You die of something else.

    Other causes are now increasing their %share in the gotcha game. (which is probably a good thing since cancer seems a pretty horrible way to die- I'd rather be got by a sudden heart-attack in my sleep).

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    1. Re:So you don't die of cancer... by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      There are three reasons why reduced cancer death rate is important.

      1) Cancer is an expensive, long, painful death. Let me have a heart attack, please.

      2) Cancer is the reason we age. The entire aging process is an attempt by the body to stop cells from reproducing without limit (i.e. cancer). We can't stop aging until after we cure cancer.

      3) Cancer gets all the big money and press. Once we defeat it, we can put our resources into other illnesses.

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    2. Re:So you don't die of cancer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The entire aging process is an attempt by the body to stop cells from reproducing without limit (i.e. cancer). We can't stop aging until after we cure cancer."

      Not sure that follows... ask a lobster.

    3. Re:So you don't die of cancer... by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      1) Lobsters do age. Their life expectancy is between 30 and 50 years in the wild. While it is true that they do not get wrinkles (shell), even during the 50 years they live, they slowly weaken. Often they lose the ability to molt.

      2) Lobsters get cancer.

      So the lobster says "He's right, aging is how creatures deal with cancer."

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  10. GOP was right! (Warning: High Snark) by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Funny

    See, we ain't need no stinkin' ACA; market forces are solving illnesses.

    Market forces will also solve global warming (if real). Humans will evolve fans on their head to keep cool similar to how Kevin Costner evolved gills in Waterworld.

    Oh wait, evolution is false. Hollywood brainwashed us. I mean God will blink fans onto human heads, but only if we follow his law and keep gender dodgers out of the wrong restrooms.

    What, monitoring genders is gov't regulation you say? You see, many will volunteer to monitor wankers for free. No new taxes needed. I know plenty of conservatives who actually enjoy monitoring wankers.

    It all works out logically if you follow all conservative principles rather than just some.

    1. Re:GOP was right! (Warning: High Snark) by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      On a more serious note, the problem with letting market forces solve all our problems is that some people are not participating in the economy (market).
      If you're poor, you won't be spending much money (low freedom of capital), so you have no influence over the market, the market won't react to you and your needs won't be met.

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  11. Re:the outline is cancer by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Somebody trying to raise page views no doubt. There was a time it worked so well site got "slash dotted". Now, not so much. Here is the link that should have been used for this piece...
    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/news/cancer-facts-and-figures-death-rate-down-25-since-1991

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  12. Of what are people dying now? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    All people will die eventually.
    So if fewer people are dying of cancer, it should mean that more people are dying from other causes. I've seen somewhere that Alzheimer is on the raise, maybe that's it.
    In developed countries the main causes of death are roughly 1/3 cancer, 1/3 heart diseases, 1/3 others. With cancer death rates steadily increasing passed 60, it can almost be considered dying of old age.

    1. Re:Of what are people dying now? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      So if fewer people are dying of cancer, it should mean that more people are dying from other causes

      Usually the figures quoted are age-adjusted death rates. So, no, death rate from cancer can go down without other (age adjusted) rates going up. What happens is that there are more older people.

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    2. Re:Of what are people dying now? by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cars are the number #1 killer of teens. (ages 12-19)
      Cars are the number #1 killer of children. (ages 1-12)
      Heart disease is the #1 killer of adults. (I couldn't find data on the age range, I assume 20+)
      Congenital defects and complication of preterm birth nearly tying as the #1 killer of infants. (ages 1)

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    3. Re:Of what are people dying now? by skids · · Score: 1

      So if fewer people are dying of cancer, it should mean that more people are dying from other causes.

      Opiate overdose.

    4. Re:Of what are people dying now? by Xyrus · · Score: 0

      Cars are the number #1 killer of teens. (ages 12-19)
      Cars are the number #1 killer of children. (ages 1-12)
      Heart disease is the #1 killer of adults. (I couldn't find data on the age range, I assume 20+)
      Congenital defects and complication of preterm birth nearly tying as the #1 killer of infants. (ages 1)

      So now you understand the republican platform:

      1. Remove safety regulations to kill more people.
      2. Remove healthcare to kill more people.
      3. Remove pre-natal care to kill more people.

      But why would they want that? Think of it like chemo for the general population. Yeah, some of their rich white brethren may die, but they're betting a whole lot more poor/non-white people die first. The Aryan dream still lives on in the republican party, and now they actually have the power to follow through on it while maintaining plausible deniability under the guise of "Make America White ^H^H^H^H^H Great Again".

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    5. Re:Of what are people dying now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the sourthern strategy in a nutshell. Less deliberate on the killing part mind you (they keep their conscience clear through the just world fallacy where people don't die unless they deliberately fail at improving), it's more about "welfare queens" and "abuse of the healthcare system" (or whatever they call poor people being forced to go to the ER instead of treating the problem early), hell even public transit positions boil down to not wanting to be on the bus with poor people. That the scapegoats just so happen to tend be minorities a lot of the time just happens to help reinforce the perception.

    6. Re:Of what are people dying now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cars are still the #1 kill of adults.. 20-40+ years IIRC. Other things only start getting you if your a smoker and 50 or more and a man. For example you just don't get heart attacks as a man before 60 unless you smoke.. Sure its not common, but common enough to really see in the data. Smoking is just down right retarded.

  13. But this is life extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And as we all know, that is unnatural. Mining asteroids and living on Mars, however, are clearly natural and must be heavily invested in.

    1. Re:But this is life extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are a planet with a massive amount of people. There is no reason to heavily invest in curing cancer as well as interplanetary space travel or pretty much anything else. This isn't the year 500 where only about 200 million people lived on the entire planet, most of whom struggled and had to fight day to day just to survive and could easily die the flu. We are living the easy life in the best time ever on this planet ()aside from us destroying the environment) and it's only getting better. Less crime, safer, easier to do pretty much everything. Now, we just need to clean up our mess so the environment doesn't try killing us off.

      I don't know what this "make America great again" thing is all about. America has never been better or greater than today, not in any sense of the word, right along with the rest of the world. Even in the middle east where they have constant fighting and very repressive ways to live. It's better to live there today than 1500 years ago.

  14. Colon cancer dropped 30% (thanks to better tech) by destinyland · · Score: 2

    Colon cancer rates dropped thirty percent by 2012 from where it was 10 years earlier. It's been attributed to better screening technology, which can detect and even eliminate pre-cancerous growths....

    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/n...

  15. Insensitive clod by fbobraga · · Score: 2

    I'm afraid of death, just like anyone else.

    I'm not!

    1. Re:Insensitive clod by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Clod desensitization is not covered under ACA.

  16. Close that gender gap by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    in men, rates remain overall 20 percent higher in men while rate of death for men is 40 percent higher than in women

    Plainly what needs to be done is too increase the doses of Radium in women's makeup products until the cancer acquisition and death rates equalize.

    Although come to think of it that would simply increase the death rates for men as well... curse you metrosexuals for making true equality of the sexes impossible!

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Close that gender gap by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      My goal as a man is to live a long time. That's because men die on average younger than women. By the time I hit 100 I'll have an endless stream of women all to myself.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Close that gender gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's all about the Susan G. Komen money machine. Save the boobies and send Susie Q your money, she might do something other than line her pockets with it. Oh and fuck the prostate, men can die.

    3. Re:Close that gender gap by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      That plan has proven to work if you're extremely wealthy.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    4. Re:Close that gender gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just holding out for that hot centerian tail huh?

    5. Re:Close that gender gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Plainly what needs to be done is too increase the doses of Radium"

      And after that, learn the difference between to and too.

    6. Re:Close that gender gap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the time I hit 100 I'll have an endless stream of women all to myself.

      How thoughtful and farsighted of you to even take incontinence into account.

  17. Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    A high deductible is better than NO insurance at all, especially when you are diagnosed with cancer. The law can be charged to require a lower deductible, but that would raise somewhere else to compensate. Democrats have not been against practical changes to ACA.

    As far as general ACA criticism, I invite any conservative to propose a better alternative. All the proposals from conservatives so far either don't have any real numbers behind them, or some group or type of coverage takes a hit to help a different group.

    There are inherent trade-offs that need to be balanced; there is no free lunch or magic formula. It's easy to complain, but hard to offer alternatives that actually add up. (Single payer has reduced general medical costs overseas, I would note, but arguably creates less choice and longer waits.)

    Some have proposed requiring states to accept out-of-state insurance companies to increase competition. For one, this risks trampling on state's rights. Second, states can already optionally allow any outside insurance company they want in by lowering or eliminating state standards. It hasn't reduced their costs in practice. It appears to be a ploy by GOP to reduce patient safeguards (and increase profits) by not allowing states to legislate medical safeguards.

    Yes, taking away safeguards will reduce rates for many or most. But, some will then get hit harder with the consequences of lower safeguards. That defeats the very purpose of insurance. GOP seems to want insurance-lite. It's okay to propose such to the public, but be honest that it's really half-ass insurance rather than dress it up in fancy political-speak.

    Obama got the Lie-of-the-Year award for implying most or all can "keep your doctor". Don't make the same mistake, GOP, you will also deserve a Lie-of-the-Year award. (I kept my doctor, by the way.)

    1. Re:Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama got the Lie-of-the-Year award for implying most or all can "keep your doctor".

      The thing is, he wasn't lying, as he never acted to take away people's doctors, if any did, it was the doctor themselves, or the insurance companies.

      I don't know, maybe he just had poor advice from his communications people, but he could have said something more strictly correct, while getting the desired message across.

      Which was to assure people that they weren't going to be forced into HORRIBLE GOVERNMENT FEMA CAMPS OF MEDICINE.

    2. Re:Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      He said it in an incomplete or misleading way multiple times. The ACA had nothing in it that guaranteed people would be able to keep their existing doctors, and experts would have told you that there would likely be a fair amount of doctor shuffling. If he had said "most people can keep...", he perhaps would be off the hook.

      In the minds of most people, a partial lie repeated many times has at least the same strength as a pure lie stated once. This is because a single statement has a fair chance of being a mere mistake. But if you say it say 7 times, then it's hard to claim it was a mistake.

      But that's water under the bridge. I used it merely as a warning/reminder to the new decision-making crew.

    3. Re:Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said it in an incomplete or misleading way multiple times.

      Exactly why I blame his messaging people. They should have stopped it after one. It was dumb.

      The ACA had nothing in it that guaranteed people would be able to keep their existing doctors, and experts would have told you that there would likely be a fair amount of doctor shuffling. If he had said "most people can keep...", he perhaps would be off the hook.

      That'd be too risky. A better communications staff would have come up with something less likely to backfire. Like emphasizing that the government won't be assigning doctors to people or anything. Well you know, other than the way they do already.

      But you're right, it does nothing to guarantee people keep their existing doctors. That'd be insane. Even freedom of doctor choice is hard to cover.

      In the minds of most people, a partial lie repeated many times has at least the same strength as a pure lie stated once. This is because a single statement has a fair chance of being a mere mistake. But if you say it say 7 times, then it's hard to claim it was a mistake.

      But that's water under the bridge. I used it merely as a warning/reminder to the new decision-making crew.

      They won't care, and sadly, they'll probably tell GREATER lies, and nobody will bat an eye.

      That's the way of things now.

    4. Re:Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      People were too dumb to work out that doctors might move jobs, retire, or die ... and that's Obama's fault?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    5. Re:Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      why I blame his messaging people

      If a leader's messaging staff screws up, the blame usually still falls on the leader, for he/she selects his own messaging staff and can fire them at will.

      They should have stopped it after one

      It's possible they warned O, but he may have chose to ignore it for strategic reasons. Politicians do intentionally spin at times. Inserting "most" into the statement does beg the question about what happens to the rest. We don't really know what happened in the back room. Insert saying about making sausage and laws.

      The ACA barely passed, for the "blue dogs" gave him hell. It may have required spin to put it over the top.

      it does nothing to guarantee people keep their existing doctors. That'd be insane.

      It's not all-or-nothing: the law could have offered carrots and/or sticks to encourage insurance co's to not shuffle doctors.

    6. Re: Alternative, please. [Re:Propaganda?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a leader's messaging staff screws up, the blame usually still falls on the leader, for he/she selects his own messaging staff and can fire them at will.

      On the event of being presented with a mass firimg in the Communications office, I'll buy that.

      It's possible they warned O, but he may have chose to ignore it for strategic reasons. Politicians do intentionally spin at times. Inserting "most" into the statement does beg the question about what happens to the rest. We don't really know what happened in the back room. Insert saying about making sausage and laws.

      Either they were too dumb to spot the problem or too dumb to stop it. They lose either way.

      The ACA barely passed, for the "blue dogs" gave him hell. It may have required spin to put it over the top.

      There's spin, and there's uselessly setting yourself up for failure. Then again, they should have made the GOP carry some water. That was Obama's prime issue, he came with the compromise in hand, which meant he had nothing. Too accommodating.

      Probably always wanted to be a classic Republican, but couldn't stomach the bullshit level, so had to go Democratic, but never embraced liberals.

      It's not all-or-nothing: the law could have offered carrots and/or sticks to encourage insurance co's to not shuffle doctors.

      Wouldn't guarantee it, and would just be another line of attack to blame. More free-market meddling! More communism! More crony capitalism! More Obama tyranny!

      Blah blah blah. He just jumped on a grenade, which was not even noble since it blew us all up anyway.

      Well, now we have the guy who likes to juggle them. Yay.

  18. Weaponize Measals Against Cancer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering if some of this has to do with our ability to take viruses like Measals and Polio, and use them to devour Cancerous Tumors vulnerable to said virus.

    1. Re:Weaponize Measals Against Cancer? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      One problem with cancer is some types are genetically identical to healthy cells, but with some differences in expression, usually expression of a previously inactive oncogene. Other types are mutations to an antioncogene (tumor suppressor gene) that stops it from functioning.

      While it might be possible for a retrovirus to select based on a mutated gene, it would have to be custom made for the individual. It would take a rather specialized virus to do it, and it would have to be stable so it didn't mutate and select the nearly identical healthy sequence that is more prevalent. (Life finds a way)

      A virus selecting based on gene expression on the other hand has never been done to my knowledge. I'm not aware of any progress in that field, and it may not even be possible with a virus. But maybe you might be able to have a bacteria that creates proteins that help flip the expression around, which could cause cancer cells to divide into health cells.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    2. Re:Weaponize Measals Against Cancer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the Reason for your Random capitalization of Words In the Sentence and your Misspelling of MEASLES?

  19. Weaponize Measals against Cancer by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much this will have to do with our new ability to use Measals to destroy some cancers.

  20. ACA is scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Better solution (I am the one who wrote what you replied to)

    Just PAY medical costs for the 20 million who got coverage. Nothing else, just pay for it. It will be LESS than $1 Trillion over 10 years (its cheaper), it will not have a $600 million website (its cheaper), it will not tax blue collar workers who can't afford an ACA plan (its cheaper), and STILL has all the benefits that are CLIAMED by ACA supporters.

    Yep, in literally 20 seconds I came up with an easier plan, that is just as effective and CHEAPER for everyone. Of course it doesn't pay off DNC donors and Obama's friends, what the ACA was really about, but I don't really care about that part like you do.

    Yes, the ACA is just a way for the DNC to rip off the middle class. It was nothing else.

    1. Re:ACA is scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better solution (I am the one who wrote what you replied to)

      Just PAY medical costs for the 20 million who got coverage. Nothing else, just pay for it. It will be LESS than $1 Trillion over 10 years (its cheaper), it will not have a $600 million website (its cheaper), it will not tax blue collar workers who can't afford an ACA plan (its cheaper), and STILL has all the benefits that are CLIAMED by ACA supporters.

      Yep, in literally 20 seconds I came up with an easier plan, that is just as effective and CHEAPER for everyone.

      Too bad for you, that's a not actually plan, as you're just hand-waving it as a solution. Because you see, you're leaving off the other 20 million uninsured for no reason, since if you're going to just blanket declare that one group is covered, you might as well cover all of them. But you don't say what it'll cost. Just magically assert it being cheaper. Then you somehow seem to think that there won't be any overhead for it, and that it won't have to be administered or paid for with taxes.

      Look, if you want universal single-payer, great. Go for it. But you'll have to deal with serious resistance to it, and it will be complicated.

      Of course it doesn't pay off DNC donors and Obama's friends, what the ACA was really about, but I don't really care about that part like you do.

      Don't worry, there'd be plenty of graft in that idea, just ask Rick Scott.

      Yes, the ACA is just a way for the DNC to rip off the middle class. It was nothing else.

      LOL, sure, keep telling yourself that. You can think they were stupid, and giving us a useless pandering Republican plan (which is a good portion of why they can't come up with another plan), but do give them some credit.

    2. Re:ACA is scam by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Just PAY medical costs for the 20 million who got coverage. Nothing else, just pay for it. It will ... STILL has all the benefits that are CLIAMED by ACA supporters.

      In the short-term you are partly right. But what about the future? Matching the present is one thing, but the future will come.

      Also, ACA required a minimum of coverage for a wider set of afflictions than typical insurance of the time. That would go away.

      it will not have a $600 million website

      That figure is misleading, it was not just the website in terms of UI, but lots of back-end data coordination with insurance co's, tax records, etc. Get a better news source; your current one failed you.

      pay off DNC donors and Obama's friends, what the ACA was really about

      Speculation on the motivations behind it is probably a useless game because we cannot rip out their neurons to exam the actual motivation calculation path. Most political decisions are probably biased in some way anyhow. It's what humans do and roaches are not in charge (yet). GOP and Trump will make biased decisions also, mark my word.

      But at this point it's moot; simply propose something better instead of complain and speculate. Show us how the money flows in the alternative without magic nodes in the flow chart. If you don't like the model, make a better one. (Same goes for climate models.)

      We are supposed to be nerds who think things out and present details that add up, rather than just be platitude hawkers. That's for muggles.

    3. Re:ACA is scam by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Too bad for you, that's a not actually plan, as you're just hand-waving it as a solution.

      It's a perfect plan actually. It's not that far from other things that have been done already.

      Concentrate on the problem that need fixing rather than trying to sabotage the private market and push for more socialism when the first batch of it fails.

      Instead, you lot saddled private insurance customers with all of the uninsurable types that would go onto Medicare if they were older or permanently disabled. You trashed the risk pool and put it all on people that can't really handle it.

      ACA is actually pretty d*am regressive for something that's sold as "progressive".

      You don't see it because you're blinded by partisanship.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    4. Re: ACA is scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a perfect plan actually. It's not that far from other things that have been done already.

      Actually, it is neither a plan, nor close to anything done already. It's just a random assertion without all the necessary details to put somethinh into effect.

      Concentrate on the problem that need fixing rather than trying to sabotage the private market and push for more socialism when the first batch of it fails.

      Wait, wait, first it was taxing the middle class, now it is sabotaging the private market. You and Mr. PERFECT PLAN better get your messaging on the same stream.

      Instead, you lot saddled private insurance customers with all of the uninsurable types that would go onto Medicare if they were older or permanently disabled. You trashed the risk pool and put it all on people that can't really handle it.

      Bean-counters can handle anything. They can fudge numbers all they want.

      ACA is actually pretty d*am regressive for something that's sold as "progressive".
      You don't see it because you're blinded by partisanship.

      You'd seem less stupid if it wasn't for the ACA being described as a useless pandering Republican plan in the above post. But because of that, you do look like a total fucking idiot.

      Even worse than your fumble above, you make yourself look stupid, just by attackimg somebody who already called out the very same bullshit.

      What is it? Are you just dead set on making yourself look bad?

  21. Re:Colon cancer dropped 30% (thanks to better tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually it probably has more to do with lower red meat consumption per capita. Red meat consumption is down 25% per capita.

    Screening tech hasn't changed in 10 years. They use the same colonoscopy machines in 2012 that they used in 2002.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-decline-red-meat-america

  22. US vs Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Germany, the absolute number of cancer deaths has been increasing for decades. The common explanation is: higher life expectancy => more people live to get cancer, because cancer is largely an old people's disease => more people die of cancer.[German Cancer Research Center (in German)] Only age-adjusted rates are decreasing. So what is the difference between the US and Germany?

    1. Re:US vs Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany, the absolute number of cancer deaths has been increasing for decades. The common explanation is: higher life expectancy => more people live to get cancer, because cancer is largely an old people's disease => more people die of cancer.[German Cancer Research Center (in German)] Only age-adjusted rates are decreasing. So what is the difference between the US and Germany?

      Quality of life. People in Germany actually want to live longer. People in the US hardly find a quality of life after finding out they need to blow their entire nest egg on cancer treatments.

  23. Cancer down, Bankruptcy up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of those who now survive don't become bankrupt in the process?

    1. Re:Cancer down, Bankruptcy up by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      How many of those who now survive don't become bankrupt in the process?

      In civilized countries, with a half-decent social safety net, bankruptcy is not the penalty for surviving illness.

    2. Re:Cancer down, Bankruptcy up by geekmux · · Score: 1

      How many of those who now survive don't become bankrupt in the process?

      The capitalistic dick of greed will gladly fuck you over from birth to death, and not think twice about the financial pain endured.

      All the more reason assisted suicide will not be legalized anytime soon. They sure as hell don't want you taking the easy way out, and before they get all your money.

  24. Give them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...their own hook.

  25. but maybe they should? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without changing the retirement age, all this is doing is burdening the generation at its peak earning potential with caring for aging parents. You can only have so many people on the dole before the system fails.

  26. ACA is HATED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And making middle class worker pay $4800 a year to "have insurance" they can't use because of the deductible is a win?

    You are a fool. This is why people HATE the ACA.

    1. Re:ACA is HATED by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Voters hate the ACA, but they hate the way it was before*, and they hate the "socialized" version that most of the world has.

      So, what the hell do they want then?

      GOP/Trump have pushed the idea that there are easy fixes that ONLY they know how to do using some unspecified side-effect-free deregulation and making "great deals". Your turn guys; you hyped the magic beans, now grow your bean stalk and make the Giant pay for it. Else, you'll get F'd like H by restless voters.

      * I've seen multiple surveys showing only around 20 to 25% want to go back to the way it was during the W years. That suggests they want SOME kind of Federally-managed health insurance.

    2. Re:ACA is HATED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GOP/Trump have pushed the idea that there are easy fixes that ONLY they know how to do using some unspecified side-effect-free

      "We have to pass this plan [The ACA] to see what is in it" -Nancy Pelosi

      We weren't allowed to even see it before it passed. You coming and complaining about "secret plans" is a joke. You had your way, fucked it up beyond belief, to the point that Donald Trump was considered a better candidate than the person who supports the ACA. You lost, you lost, you lost. The White house, the Senate, the House, ALL because of the ACA. The DNC holds fewer seats in the country than any time since they were still fighting to keep slavery. Thats right, you would have to support slavery to get fewer election wins than you just got, that is how much of a joke the DNC has become with their support of the ACA.

      The fact that you are still trying to convince people it is good is a complete joke. Nearly everyone reading your post thinks you are a fool.

    3. Re:ACA is HATED by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You are full of it. She said that because there were rushed last-minute changes, as always with big legislation. It's not a plot to hide stuff.

      And GOP has been given plenty of opportunities to propose an alternative that mathematically adds up, but fail.

    4. Re:ACA is HATED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you still lost the White House, the Senate, AND the House because of the ACA, and I am full of it?

      You have gone off the deep end of partisanship. You are completely delusional if you think Pelosi's quote helped the cause, or that the ACA is helping even a tiny fraction of people it is hurting. There are still a few more seats held by the DNC that they can lose, keep telling everyone how great the ACA is and how we need to vote in DNC people to keep it alive.

      lols. You haven't even realized Donald Trump won the presidency because of this idiocy, and instead of even attempting to look at what happened you double down on it instead. That takes a special kind of stupid.

    5. Re:ACA is HATED by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Voters hate the ACA, but they hate the way it was before*, and they hate the "socialized" version that most of the world has.

      The majority of voters would have supported Bernie Sanders, who would have supported single payer health care. You know, that "socialized" version that most of the world has. I disagree with your fundamental premise. Voters want either insurance that works for them, or insurance companies out of health care. They don't want money taken out of their pockets by force by men with guns and handed to insurance companies, which is precisely what the ACA represents.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:ACA is HATED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you still lost the White House, the Senate, AND the House because of the ACA, and I am full of it?

      Actually, if you look at the actual results, the vote for the Presidency still went to Democrats(by several million), the Senate is highly biased towards states and staggered over six years meaning that you don't know what the people really wanted(though in raw numbers over the past six years, Democrats still win), and the House is still suffering from the pangs of gerrymandering in states like North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin among others. This also encompasses state legislatures, there's a reason why Federal judges have ordered new maps in several GOP states.

      They've corrupted the system. And you don't see it. But the real numbers are there. The GOP only wins with suppression and marginalization.

      You have gone off the deep end of partisanship. You are completely delusional if you think Pelosi's quote helped the cause, or that the ACA is helping even a tiny fraction of people it is hurting.

      You're delusional if you think Pelosi's quote revealed some greater secret, but hey, good on you for spotting that the GOP will lie and misrepresent things.

      Oh wait, no, you didn't. You still believe that the ACA is hurting people. Wait till you see the results of repeal. Even the Republican leadership is scared of that. That's why they don't want to do it. They know it'll burn.

      There are still a few more seats held by the DNC that they can lose, keep telling everyone how great the ACA is and how we need to vote in DNC people to keep it alive.

      lols. You haven't even realized Donald Trump won the presidency because of this idiocy, and instead of even attempting to look at what happened you double down on it instead. That takes a special kind of stupid.

      Donald Trump only won by a chance margin in a few states. It takes a special kind of stupid to think that he won because of the vast swell of American people offended by the ACA. Which admittedly, does describe the GOP these days. I almost wish they'd succumb to their wilder and angrier base and push a complete repeal on us. The destruction would probably show the lie.

      Except their voters would still find a way to blame Obama, and too many idiots like you would believe it.

    7. Re:ACA is HATED by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You are completely delusional if you think Pelosi's quote helped the cause

      It was a dumb statement, but immaterial to anything of importance. You are distracted by shiny things.

      You completely ignored my points, bragging about winning the election instead. You cannot vote the world flat, although you seem to have voted your forehead flat.

  27. Re:but maybe they should? by skids · · Score: 2

    burdening the generation at its peak earning potential with caring for aging parents

    Those aging parents are why you have as high an earning potential as you do now. They invented, built, and maintained the very society that did such things as preventing you from being murdered in your crib by roving bands of savages and giving you pernicious worldwide communications capabilities. Many still have wisdom to contribute even in senescence.

  28. I don't think I'd want to survive cancer by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I can definitely see less smoking being a huge contributor to lower cancer rates. It's no surprise that lung cancer is still the most prevalent cause of cancer death though. Smokers are almost guaranteed to have expensive health issues later in life, and a shorter lifespan overall. Consider that more than half the male population and almost 30% of the female population smoked in the 50s, and in 2017 smokers in the US and many other countries are relegated to a sad little corner away from basically any public place. People used to smoke heavily in their offices, their homes, etc. In the circles I run in it's very rare to find smokers; if they are they're older and just don't want to quit...in for a penny in for a pound I guess!

    If the study went back further than 1991, I'd also think that deindustrialization and environmental regulation in the US might have something to do with it. Around the 70s and 80s was the time people got serious about not letting companies dump toxic waste into the groundwater, and companies also offshored a lot of their manufacturing. Reduction of air pollution might also contribute - it still amazes me when I drive through big cities with terrible traffic and imagine thousands of pre-catalytic converter 1970s GM/Ford/Chrysler V8 tanks pumping crap into the air.

    That said, I don't think I'd want to fight cancer if it turned out I had it. I'd rather have the option of a quick painless death than endless rounds of chemotherapy, radiation and surgery that would only give me a few years of painful life at best. We can't live forever -- even though average lifespan keeps increasing. What kind of shape would most people be in at 100? 110? 115? I'd rather get my 85 or so years in and make the most of them than end up in a progression from assisted living to nursing home to the hospital. It really seems like cancer is an evolutionary check on longevity given that it's a spontaneous uncontrolled cell growth. Pediatric and mid-life cancer is sad, but cancer at an old age is almost expected.

  29. Re:Colon cancer dropped 30% (thanks to better tech by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

    Eat more chicken!

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    Eat the rich.
  30. Make Slashdot International Again by GNious · · Score: 1

    Could we ask that the headlines indicate when it's only in the US?
    "Fewer Americans Are Dying of Cancer Than Ever Before"

  31. Anti-Trumpers and socialism. by jedidiah · · Score: 0

    It intrigues me how some of the most ardent socialists here don't seem to realize that Trump and the Republicans would now be in complete control of their healthcare.

    Trump has inspired some people to re-discover federalism. At least some people can connect the dots here.

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    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  32. Yes by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's been around long enough to impact Survival Rates. I've had (young) family members who survived cancer because they got treatment. That treatment cost millions and was paid for by taxpayers. There's no other way, it's just too expensive to keep them alive otherwise. For get taking a village. It takes a country. In poorer regions that money comes from ACA in the form of the medicaid expansion. Without it those kids don't get treatment. They die.

    This isn't hyperbole. It's one of those 'inconvenient truths' folks don't like to talk about. And yes, I know that term is loaded. That's my point. It's the same as Climate Change. It's easy as hell to turn away from it. People are going to die when the ACA is repealed. Many of them children. And nobody, and I mean nobody is talking about it.

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  33. Well, you're half right by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    you're seeing short term costs rise as people who put off treatment for years are finally getting it. Long term costs go down as preventative care does it's job and people use less of the really expensive stuff.

    Now, just because the insurance company's costs go down doesn't mean yours will. Left alone they'll just pocket it all. That's where the public option (aka single payer) comes in.

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    1. Re:Well, you're half right by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Fair enough; that's certainly part of the reason that costs increased, too, though I would argue that they should simply have required them to hold rates constant for a longer period than they did, at which point the initial surge in claims wouldn't have mattered as much.

      Another (small) part is a general lack of competition in the marketplace—Trump was correct in saying that per-state markets for insurance lead to inadequate competition—though obviously removing that barrier won't come anywhere close to actually fixing the high cost of care.

      And the elephant in the room, as always, is the need for tort reform.

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  34. Lots of people survive just fine by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but you need access to medical treatment early on to do so. Total Biscuit of youtube fame got it (he's British, single payer) and he's in remission and just fine. I've got a family member in the same boat and I've known a survivor of childhood leukemia in her mid thirties who's just fine. The key is early detection and treatment.

    Now, as an American you're probably screwed unless your independently wealthy. But we prefer to play the odds. We treat luck as a skill. Something you cultivate (often by praying). That's not rational, but most of us aren't.

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  35. A lot of them do by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    there's a lot of folks who really hate the thought of their tax dollars going to treat lazy blacks. It's called the "Southern Strategy" and it's been a cornerstone to the Republican's coalition for decades. Google "Dog Whistle" and "Welfare Queen" and watch a bit of your soul recede away. Sure, it's only about 10% of our population, but that 10% vote and they win elections.

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  36. What the hell are you talking about? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    of course we realize it. We're utterly terrified.

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  37. Conservatives need to get busy by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "Although the cancer death rate remained 15% higher in blacks than in whites in 2014, increasing access to care as a result of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (AKA Obamacare) may contribute to a further narrowing of the racial gap across all population groups. In 2015, 11% of blacks and 7% of non-Hispanic whites were uninsured, compared with 21% of blacks and 12% of non-Hispanic whites in 2010. Progress for Hispanics is similar, with the uninsured rate dropping from 31% in 2010 to 16% in 2015."

    If conservatives don't kill off Obamacare quickly enough, there's a chance some of those non-whites might survive to voting age...and not be too sick to get to the polls.

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  38. filter it out by simula · · Score: 1

    I am about to buy sports air filters that should save your lungs while making sure you still exercise.

    This is the model I plan to buy within the next few weeks.

    I have no affiliation with this company and I haven't tried them yet, but the research may prove fruitful for you.

    1. Re:filter it out by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I am about to buy sports air filters that should save your lungs while making sure you still exercise.

      These air filters are going to come into your bedroom, pull the duvet off, kick you out of bed and chase you down the street with a bullwhip?

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  39. Who compels a doctor to treat someone? by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    Healthcare is a good. How can one have a right to a good?

    We abolished slavery long ago. What do you call a doctor who is forced by the government to treat patients? If we ever encounter a doctor shortage - would you use the power of Government to force doctors out of retirement to treat patients?

    The people that provide our healthcare are not the slaves of those that need medical care. They are laborers and should sell their labor as every other laborer does.

    Forcing everyone to pay for this is only one side of the coin - to declare healthcare an inalienable human right - you need to enslave doctors.

    1. Re:Who compels a doctor to treat someone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just not be an idiot and hire them to treat everyone.

      Like police.

      Or firefighters.

      Or the military.

      Not that hard, is it?

      Plus, with a fixed, reliable salary (and possibly the bonus of having their student debt paid down for working a certain number of years, or a certain amount per year, as a tax-free benefit) they'd have less incentive to do unnecessary, expensive procedures and instead focus on patient health.

      Private medical practice and private hospitals have their place, but the public shouldn't fund them, not even through screwy insurance nonsense.

    2. Re:Who compels a doctor to treat someone? by zerofoo · · Score: 1

      You think the cost structure of the medical industry is similar to firefighters, police, and the military?

      Do you honestly think it's just as easy to train and retain doctors as those other comparatively low-skill professions?

      If you believe that you are a fool.

      Do you honestly think that if the tax payer pays to educate doctors that the cost of that education will go down? What happened to the cost of college after the government started lending money to anyone for that?

      You're living in a typical liberal dream world detached from the realities of economic supply and demand.

      Take an Econ 101 course - the government will even loan you the money to do so.

  40. The Joke is On Everyone by tmjva · · Score: 1

    After they have cured all disease, then we can mock all the people in hospitals. Dying for no reason.

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  41. expecting on twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    folks! cancer has been at an all-time low since I became the president-elect. Unpresidented one might say!!!
    anticipated tweet from a certain Orange-utan

  42. The randomness is mildly irritating. by von+Stalhein · · Score: 1

    Yeah but usually it seems to be people I'm keen on not having dying. Relatives, friends - you know the type. Arsehole dictators and general mongrels seem unrepresented in those stats. Yes, I do realise the sample sizes are different but Fuck Cancer.