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A Federal Judge's Decision Could End Patent Trolling (computerworld.com)

"Forcing law firms to pay defendants' legal bills could undermine the business model of patent trolls," reports Computerworld. whoever57 writes: Patent trolls rely on the fact that they have no assets and, if they lose a case, they can fold the company that owned the patent and sued, thus avoiding paying any of the defendant's legal bills. However in a recent case, the judge told the winning defendant that it can claim its legal bills from the law firm. The decision is based on the plaintiff's law firm using a contract under which it would take a portion of any judgment, making it more than just counsel, but instead a partner with the plaintiff. This will likely result in law firms wanting to be paid up front, instead of offering a contingency-based fee.
The federal judge's decision "attacks the heart of the patent-troll system," according to the article, which adds that patent trolls are "the best evidence that pure evil exists."

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  1. Thanks EditorDave! by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The recent rash of clickbait on Slashdot made me expect this headline to be, "Could a Federal Judge's Decision End Patent Trolling?"

    Thanks for not being a shitposting assclown. May your peers follow your example.

  2. Is THAT really "pure evil"? by mi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    patent trolls are "the best evidence that pure evil exists."

    Not to deny that abuse of the patent-system is wrong, but things like murdering a girl after raping her seem evil of considerably higher purity.

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    1. Re:Is THAT really "pure evil"? by klingens · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I kinda disagree.
      A murdering rapist is a totally batshit crazy insane individual. So far off the reservation there is not even a planet in sight. No standard of behaviour can be expected from such a person. Probably cannot really comprehend what he's doing.

      A patent troll however is a totally sane and calculating individual according to any textbook. However he does his actions anyways. That is pure evil.

      Batshit crazy vs. pure evil.

    2. Re:Is THAT really "pure evil"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hyperbole is the most heinous abomination against God that mankind has ever committed.

    3. Re:Is THAT really "pure evil"? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think each shows a kind of pure evil in its own way. Yes, as a matter of degrees some sociopath with a law degree who uses his intellect and education to fuck over entire industries isn't committing an act quite as evil as a psychopathic pedophile that rapes and murders a child.

      Or, maybe in some cases patent trolls and murderers same degree of evil.

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    4. Re:Is THAT really "pure evil"? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hyperbole is the most heinous abomination against God that mankind has ever committed.

      I call BS. All generalizations are false.

      Wait...

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  3. Exaggerate much? by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    according to the article, which adds that patent trolls are "the best evidence that pure evil exists."

    Really? That's a little hyperbolic don't you think? Yes patent trolls are a very bad thing but let's not exaggerate their impact or how much they matter. They certainly are not evil on the scale of slavery or war or genocide or any number of other horrific crimes. I'm tempted to make some snarky Trump joke since he is (not kidding) better evidence for pure evil than patent trolls but even that would be an unfair comparison given some of the real evils of the world.

    Patent trolls are extortionists and leeches on society and terrible human beings but the "best evidence that pure evil exists"? No. No they are not.

    1. Re:Exaggerate much? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not an exaggeraion, IMHO.

      Yes, it is an exaggeration. I once met a Rwandan woman who, as a child, hid in a crawlspace while her mother was raped and then hacked to death with a machete. Her mother was one of 800,000 Rwandans who died that way. Dealing with an annoying patent lawsuit is not worse than genocidal mass murder.

    2. Re:Exaggerate much? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My wife works in a business licensing IP and I hear some of the opposite side of the story. The nature of their product is such that it can't be made and distributed in any centralized way, so the business model is mostly licensing the product to producers who then participate in selling and marketing it locally under a common brand name.

      Anyway, they occasionally get knocked off by producers. Sometimes its licensees who keep making it after their agreement expires, sometimes its producers who outright knock it off, making their own tooling.

      They *could* sue all of them for patent infringement, but it's just not practical. In some cases the patent is close to expiration, in some cases its mostly a negotiating ploy to renew the license under more favorable terms.

      Anyway, I would argue that it's not that simple to just "threaten to sue" -- you have to have a case you can win, it's expensive to bring even a winning lawsuit and it can have a chilling effect on other business partners who may see an eagerness to sue as a reason to not do business with you or to demand other concessions which could damage profitability.

      And a lot of times if you do threaten, you have to follow through. Businesses are often run by egomanics who don't want to be pushed around, even when they're in the wrong. They'll spot a false threat from a mile away and will view failure to follow through accordingly.

  4. Non-Precedential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    For starters, this decision is non-precedential. It was issued by a District court, and not the Federal Circuit or SCOTUS.

    Secondly, per a Law360 article, the reason for the attorneys fees award against the law firm was, per a law360 article:

    The court awarded attorneys’ fees against AlphaCap and its counsel, Gutride Safier LLP, on the theory that AlphaCap and Gutride Safier multiplied the proceedings in this case unreasonably and vexatiously,” McCrary wrote. “The record, however, establishes that it was Gust and its counsel, not AlphaCap and Gutride Safier, who unreasonably and vexatiously multiplied the proceeding.”

    Thus, this ruling has nothing to do with patent trolling being dealt a death blow, but rather unscrupulous counsel being punished.

  5. Re:Messed up morality by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about trying to keep breast cancer tests as expensive as possible for personal profit?

    https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

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  6. Personally liable, not the bloody company! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, so now you create lots of shell law firms.

    Until the courts go after people PERSONALLY (you know, like they do every time you get a ticket) there will be no change of behaviour.

    Throwing a few lawyers in jail will do so much more for the profession than fining anyone.

    AC

  7. Here's a downside. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it has no downsides I can imagine.

    If generalized beyond patent trolling suits it could severely limit the ability of shallow-pocket plaintiffs to obtain legal council on a contingency fee basis to obtain redress for the torts that damaged, and perhaps impoverished, them.

    The result would be that the legal system becomes accessible only to the rich.

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  8. This seems to be an exception by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not a lawyer, but my best friend since college is. We're both Americans. I probably know more about how the US legal system really works as a result of this friendship than how almost all non-lawyers do. The truth is that judges don't like to award court costs nor do lawyers really like it when they do this because it discourages lawsuits and lawyers and judges both think that the system is fine just like it is and having fewer lawsuits is actually bad. Some judges won't ever award costs to the winner. Some will only do so to send a message to people they think really abuse the system. It seems to me that this is considered to be an unusual situation rather than something that will set a precedent. Also, judges often ignore anything they feel like, so the fact that court costs got awarded in case A doesn't at all mean that they will be in case B in front of a different judge even if the circumstances that led to the awarded are essentially identically.

    Here's an example. Suppose you have neighbor who doesn't like you and the neighbor sues you for something really stupid and asks for a huge monetary award. Suppose that you win, but the case is extraordinarily difficult and time consuming and you end up ruined financially from having to pay the costs to defend yourself against this frivolous lawsuit. You can probably count on one hand the number of judges and lawyers who actually feel sorry for you. From their perspective the system worked perfectly. You got sued for something bogus and you won. The fact that it destroyed you financially to defend yourself is not their concern. Not at all.

    1. Re:This seems to be an exception by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      And since contingency fees are one tool that poor and middle class people use to obtain legal assistance, this decision will harm this group to a greater degree.

      To continue with your example: I am quite wealthy, but live in an upper middle class neighborhood (not Warren Buffet, but same idea). So if I decide to file a frivolous lawsuit against a neighbor, I just pay my attorney for her time. So she has no risk. And if I lose, so what? I could wipe out my neighborhood with lawsuits even if my track record in court was 50%. They, on the other hand aren't in line to receive a big settlement. They are defendants, whose best outcome will be a 50% chance of being reimbursed for their expenses. Smart lawyers will avoid such clients, leaving them at a disadvantage in court.

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  9. Re:Messed up morality by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem being that no one makes money in a vacuum. The "self-made man" is a fantasy. The only self-made men I can think of are mountain men who live in the woods hundreds of miles from civilization, and even the historical mountain men still came down from the hills to trade pelts for knives.

    Sorry mate, the society you live in allows you to make your money, gives you the protection necessary to keep it, gives you the infrastructure necessary for its creation and accumulation, so whether you like it or not, you have an inherent debt. Liberty is not absolute, but if you feel it is, then throw off your clothes, walk out of your house, head for the nearest vast forest and see how long you last as a "self-made man".

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  10. Re:Actual invention by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aaah yes, steam engines, the number one argument against patents.

    Watt gets the credit for inventing the steam engine - but he did nothing of the kind. Steam engines have been around since the ancient greeks. Getting progressively better over the centuries. By the 15th century there were more than a few steam powered mills in Britain.
    What Watt did do was come up with a good mathematically concise way of measuring the amount of work a machine did, which allowed him to compare various designs for efficiency and come up with the best combination of known technologies at that time. Not a single one of the designs was his own - he merely figured out which designs for various parts were the best performing and then put them all together. Along with a wealthy financier -they then pushed steam power for trains.

    Great inventions are never the work of one man or company - they are always the culmination of thousands of years of gradual improvement by thousands of people, and the INEVITABLE result of the state of human knowledge at any given time. Which is why, for any invention you wish to think off, you will find several competing claims as to who made it (besides whoever got the common credit) and generally at least 2 of them will have genuinely and independently come up with the same design without any knowledge of one another's work at teh same time.

    Invention is a consequence of the collective history of all science, when the science reaches the point where an invention becomes possible it WILL happen - and it SEVERAL people will see the possibility.

    So why does ONE of those people get a piece of paper saying the others aren't allowed to be rewarded for it ? Why does the government interfere with the market by giving one of those people a monopoly ?

    The ostensible argument is - if you allow them to compete right away then (all) the inventors will keep the working of their products secret, which means the product could be lost when they go. This is certainly a concern - but patents are a very poor solution to that problem. Even if you do accept it, it has nothing to do with the absolutely ridiculous notion that ideas can be owned.

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  11. Re:Messed up morality by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >Everything you do at work, for example, is "for personal profit". Would fewer or more women die, if the profiteer you are denouncing did not exist — and, consequently, his test was not available at any cost?

    That scenario is impossible - and your claim is disproven by history. The correct counter-example is Jonas Salk. Created a vaccine that prevented one of the most debilitating diseases in human history (a disease which has killed at least one beloved US president by the way). Did not patent it. Did not even TRY to profit from it (was very happy with his middle-class professor's salary)... gave it to the world for free, and eradicated a disease entirely.

    And since myriad are not staffed by gods knowing forbidden knowledge - had they not existed other researchers WOULD without any doubt have discovered those genes too - and NOT tried to see how many women they could kill.

    You know what it's called when you tell somebody "give me a crapload of money or die ?" it's called robbery and extortion. It is definitely not called "doing honest business".

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  12. Re:definition of purity by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is another factor - which is that wealth multiplies effect. I really spend my life trying to do good to other people, to uplift people, to help people, to empower people. You know what, all I've done pales into invisibility compared to what the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has done - and I think Bill Gates is a terribly evil person, yet he has done more good in a year than I could achieve if I live to be a thousand.

    Why ? Because he has far more financial resources at his disposal, which enables him to do good that affects far more people than I ever could.

    But the same goes for evil. A crazy killer may poison a well, it takes a greedy corporation to poison an entire river and killed hundreds or thousands of innocent people downstream. A crazy, evil person may become a rapist killer. How many could victims can he conceivably affect ? Even the most successfull serial killers are in the low-twenties. Harold Shipman got (probably) around 300 but he was much richer than the average serial killer and his lucrative job also gave him very good cover to hide his crimes. But the vast majority don't even get to 5 - and that's serial killers (3 or more - the vast majority of potential serial killers are caught without ever becoming serial killers).
    So a few tens of victims... maybe.
    How many people have been killed by wall street corruption ? How many people took their own lives after a bank corruptly foreclosed on a house in a fraudulent matter ? There were millions of cases like that just in 2009, so it's inconceivable that the death toll is not at least in the thousands.
    When Katrina hit New Orleans - how much worse was the outcomes made for poor people, when the insurance companies found a million reasons not to pay their claims ? Sure the insurance companies feared they'd be bankrupted... but that was their PURPOSE - that's what htose people paid them for ! The sole reason we tolerate their existence is so that, when a hurrican destroys people's homes THEY go bankrupt instead of those people. How many more died in that floodwater thanks to greed? There is overwhelming evidence that wealthy people got prioritized rescue and other advantages which ultimately made the death toll far higher than it otherwise would have been.

    When the average person commits evil - it affects only a small number of people. When the extremely wealthy commit evil - thousands suffer. Their very wealth magnifies the effect of their actions.

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