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Windows 10 Will Soon Let You Opt-Out of Automatic Driver Updates (pcworld.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from PCWorld: Microsoft is giving users some more control over Windows 10 updates, with a new beta build of its operating system released Monday. The build allows folks with the Windows 10 Professional, Education, and Enterprise versions to defer new updates for up to 35 days. In addition, the company will allow those users to decide whether or not they want to include driver updates when they want to update Windows. It's a move that helps respond to one of the key criticisms of Windows 10: that Microsoft's regime of forced, cumulative updates has caused problems for users with some configurations. This way, users can steer clear of updates they don't want to install yet and dodge problematic driver updates. The newly-minted update changes are just one part of the improvements added to Windows 10 with the build released Monday. Microsoft is also working on making the initial Windows 10 setup more accessible using Cortana. The company's virtual assistant can ask users questions at setup -- when they speak languages that it can understand -- and use those answers to configure devices. A small number of beta users will also begin to see a battery life experiment pop up on their devices. Microsoft is also giving users an easier way to connect to a virtual private network. Once Windows 10 has a user's VPN settings loaded, it's possible to activate the connection with the tap of a button without opening up VPN settings.

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  1. I Already Opted Out by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I already opted out of ALL updates in Windows 10 by opting out of Windows 10!

    1. Re:I Already Opted Out by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "DEFER" is not "OPT-OUT".

  2. About letting us choose everything? by ls671 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about letting us choose everything we want to update?

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    1. Re:About letting us choose everything? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      What about letting us choose everything we want to update?

      Fuck you, you filthy child-molesting communist!!

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    2. Re:About letting us choose everything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about letting users opt-out of ALL of the spying and "telemetry"? And how about letting users opt-out of having all of their privacy settings reset to what Micro$haft wants with every update? What about letting users opt-out of having Non-M$ software replaced with inferior M$ software? Or letting them opt-out of M$ just deleting their paid for non-M$ software, claiming its a threat?

      I have opted-out of using M$ operating systems and software...totally. Free at last! Free at last!

    3. Re:About letting us choose everything? by urbanriot · · Score: 2

      Or what about us letting us configure the operating system to never disrupt me when I'm using it and 'install updates at shut down'.

    4. Re:About letting us choose everything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows 10 has been nothing but issues, failed updates, lost work, and totally ludicrous privacy settings from the start. Whatever their excuse is, it's a bad one. Whatever your apology for it is, it's a shit one.

    5. Re:About letting us choose everything? by urbanriot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's fine. Then prompt them every now and then to suggest it. Or give them the option to set it to automatically install at 3 AM.

      The big problem here is that Microsoft took away a pile of options when they came out with Windows 8 / 10 and haven't learned their lesson. I have an all-in-one in my kitchen and regretted Windows 10 within a few weeks because I'd come down in the morning to read the news while having breakfast and it wanted to update or it was finishing an update from the last time it interrupted me. Or I'd use it in the evening around dinner time and it suddenly rebooted on me for the same reason. It seemed like it was constantly disrupting my ability to use the system because of updates, it was extremely frustrating and since I outright disabled the Windows Update service my life has been peaceful.

      Innovative ideas for updates
      - Allow you to schedule updates to occur at a specific time.
      - Not interrupt you the next time you use your system if that specific time was missed.
      - Allow you to update when you shut down your computer.
      - Prompt you to update your computer every once in a while.

      I believe if you upgrade to Windows 7 you can gain all of those features.

    6. Re:About letting us choose everything? by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      If most people are 2 years behind developers will have to target 10 different OS configurations instead of 2 (those who are on the latest and those who are deferred for a few months).

      So the argument is that users should not have control of their own computers because it presents a business problem if they do?

      I beg to differ.

    7. Re:About letting us choose everything? by Calydor · · Score: 2

      "Sorry JimBob, until you get your system up to date this here program just ain't gonna run. Everyone else gets to use it but you don't, so get patchin'."

      That wasn't hard to work around at all.

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    8. Re:About letting us choose everything? by peragrin · · Score: 2

      The average user treats their computer as an appliance and don't know the difference.

      Do you think some one who doesn't know that you can take the door off its hinges easily is smart enough to know windows drivers etc configurations?

      Hell I did a system wipe fresh install of Windows 7 yesterday. It took me 4 damn hours to find find the correct Dell network driver as Dell included 8 network card drivers on their restore CD. Why can't windows search subfolders while looking for drivers? Installed one reboot watch it fail install the next. My co-workers thought some of the status screens and driver screens I brought up were voodoo magic.

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    9. Re:About letting us choose everything? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      Now they're making substantial changes and feature improvements on a bi-annual basis.

      Ah, so like Intels Tick-tock then? It's been a very long period of substantial changes, are we going to switch to feature improvements soon?

      Windows 10 needs a lot of feature improvements to get anywhere near usable, and even more for users to become productive.

      But didn't you see? They're introducing another sweeping UI change with Transparecncy and Blur!!!

      Yeah, that'll fix EVERYTHING. You'll see...

    10. Re:About letting us choose everything? by admin7087 · · Score: 2

      Look, it's really super-simple. Many people do not want these new "features". They want a stable system to work and play with, without constant fear that some forced update will botch your PC or the software running on it. It's the one and only reason why I am still using Windows 7. I'm making music in my spare time, using plugins with lots of esoteric DRM schemes and low-level audio software that habitually breaks with new versions. Sure, that's the developers' fault, but I'm not interested in attributing blame, I want a working system. Hence, I need to check whether updates break my system before I install them - and consequently want to install them much later than anyone else or never.

      It's totally beyond me why Microsoft ignores such obvious needs. They seem to be fixed on destroying their company by driving people away from their core product. I don't get it.

    11. Re:About letting us choose everything? by ai4px · · Score: 3, Informative

      Win10 has reset my preferences for HTML, PDF and JPG files across several updates. Additionally, it takes a LONG time to boot during these updates. I literally walked in to work one morning needing to send an email. After two reboots and logging in, waiting for Outlook to pop up, I finally gave up and composed my email on my phone. No sooner than I got outlook running, the O/S wanted ANOTHER reboot for another queued update.

      Now look at this from the perspective of grandma and grandpa who just want to see the grandkids in email..... The IOS devices and even the android devices boot faster and when they do an update you don't even know it because all the apps stay where they were across the update.

      And we wonder why Win10 is losing market share?????

  3. too late, boys. by ChadRiden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My Microcrap box is back running Windont 7.

  4. Consoles with keyboards by jxander · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will MS just up and admit that they aren't in the business of desktop computer software anymore?

    Windows 10 is just an XBox with a keyboard and mouse. You have the same amount of control over the OS (basically none) and they're used for the same purpose (playing games and watching TV)

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  5. Mmmm by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd prefer an opt-out of the UI 'improvements'.

  6. OH THANK YOU by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    OH THANK YOU my benevolent overlords from Redmond!

    Please, let me lick your boots for granting me this unprecedented freedom!!

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  7. The sign that you are a software slave: by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The software doesn't allow you to do what you want.

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  8. Don't be a moron!! by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 2

    Windows Insider builds can break stuff, period. I've lost count of the many times I saw this warning while studying the docs and following the procedure to become an Insider.

    Yes, I've been burned with a bad video driver once and a bad wireless card driver a couple weeks ago. Shit happens.

    If you can't deal with it, then there are a few options:

    1. Fall back to the Slow Ring.
    2. Do a clean reinstall and stay on Release Preview.
    3. Quit the Insider program altogether and do a clean reinstall.

    I've used Home Single Language, Pro, and Enterprise, and they all have the option to Defer Updates. All you have to do is follow the news on the Feedback Hub and enable the option when you find something you wouldn't like to install. Bonus points if you're on the Slow Ring, as there are fewer bugs and more time ffor you to receive the update.

    Finally, you only have yourself to blame if you entered the Insider program on a production or system-critical PC as opposed to a VR or spare / secondary PC.

  9. Sorry, but this is not enough by guacamole · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nearly every home computer is running Windows 10 Home. So this means that most of non-education non-enterprise users still don't have the ability to turn off the automatic forced updates, and reboots. Jebuz, Microsoft, why can it be so hard to the way it used to be in Windows 8?

    1. Re:Sorry, but this is not enough by Noishkel · · Score: 2

      EXACTLY. Microsoft is so damn desperate to keep control so much so that it's tanking this OS' popularity.

      If Microsoft wants to stay relevant it needs to get it's collective head out of it's ass and get people their freedom back. One half way decent competitor could easily kill them in less than a decade with this continued unpopular OS design choices.

    2. Re:Sorry, but this is not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One half way decent competitor could easily kill them in less than a decade with this continued unpopular OS design choices.

      Except that nobody really wants to compete. The Linux community cannot seem to be bothered with desktop user GUI concerns and all of the support headaches that come with them. They're too busy building the ultimate server appliances from the command line. Apple is basically the iPhone company these days and despite Tim Cooks protestations, it's clear that they have been neglecting the MacOS and desktop computing market. So that leaves Microsoft as the only major tech power that's still interested in building, maintaining and expanding a desktop, laptop and tablet user OS product to run on generic hardware in Windows 10. Despite that the fact that building and maintaining an OS is a boring business, it's actually quite a complex and expensive undertaking with many devils in many details and since consumers won't fork over much if anything just to purchase an OS, it's a thankless business to boot where margins are small and tens of millions of sales are necessary just to break even, let alone turn a profit. Under these circumstances it's hard to imagine a new competitor coming out of nowhere to challenge the entrenched Microsoft Windows fortress that still occupies an overwhelming majority of the desktop PC market which is currently on a long term glide path into niche status anyway. Eventually, only software developers and other professionals with serious computing needs will use desktop PC style workstations.

  10. Microsoft Should Shove Auto Updates Up Ther Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft should shove all auto updates up their ass.

    Why?

    They have no problem shoving them up everyone else's ass.

  11. Re:Not today, lamestream media by Nunya666 · · Score: 2

    I was about to write some really snarky prose until I read the rest of the article and realized that the headline was a dog whistle specifically for me. There's some good stuff there, for the poor souls who accept such limited control over their computer.

    Wait, someone on /. RTF?!?!?!?!?!

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  12. "Improvements" by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The newly-minted update changes are just one part of the improvements added to Windows 10 with the build released Monday.

    Nice Newspeak(TM) spin there.

    It's not an improvement. It's a fix, to a facility they broke in Windows 10 -- namely, the ability to control the update system.

    And if we're being perfectly honest here, it's not even a fix. It's a workaround to a facility that never fscking worked in the first place , i.e. installing device drivers through Windows Update. Never. Worked.

    And deploying this workaround serves as tacit admission by Microsoft that they they haven't the remotest clue how to fix it. Even after locking out those terribly pesky, annoying users and arrogating all administrative control to themselves with Windows 10, it STILL. DOESN'T. WORK.

  13. Why were the updates problematic? by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Were they untested or something? Years of automatically accepting updates on Linux (kernel and otherwise) across varying hardware and it's been extremely rare that I've experienced any issues at all...

    Is all the software/drivers on Windows considered bleeding edge? Is the hardware not abstracted such that it would cause a complete meltdown with no user interaction possible? Are recovery options insanely complex for the user?

    1. Re:Why were the updates problematic? by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

      Easy. Because device drivers can include bugs in bleeding edge releases especially for new games and hardware. An example you're running solid on say the 6mo old nvidia or AMD video drivers, a new game comes out. The new drivers are "optimized" for that game. So, windows decides to install those new drivers and breaks all your old games in the process. Because there were fundamental changes in the drivers. Now you get to have the fun and enjoyable part where you: Uninstall the driver, run the special MS 'deferment' upgrade for the driver they have in the standard release channel. Then install the old driver that was working fine, but shaved off a few FPS for that new game. It gets even worse when Windows will install an older driver over top of a new one. One of my friends had a problem where Windows 10 would install the 15.6 or 15.6 AMD catalyst drivers over top of the 16.xx drivers on every update and not even their "deferment tool" would stop it from happening.

      The real problem is that windows has been able to botch driver upgrades since ye olde days of windows 98 and the first gen of PnP(or plug and pray as it used to be called) and brick a windows install to the point where a format and wipe is the only solution. That's either the problem of the hardware manufacture, or something going wrong with windows. That's not even touching on the clusterfucks with minor hardware revisions from companies like Realtek(most motherboards use their chipsets for audio or network connections). And one driver release can work, and another completely breaks the device to the point where you need to remove every single backup instance as well.

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    2. Re:Why were the updates problematic? by guacamole · · Score: 2

      "Is all the software/drivers on Windows considered bleeding edge? Is the hardware not abstracted such that it would cause a complete meltdown with no user interaction possible? Are recovery options insanely complex for the user?"

      Absolutely. Microsoft and Linux vendors have released updates in the past that could cause if not a meltdown, then at least some discomfort. When the pending updates show up on my Windows 7 PCs, personally I prefer to install only the security updates immediately, and that is only if I am ready to reboot my PC at that moment. The rest of updates, I'd like to let them simmer and sit there for about a week. Then, if none of the tech news sites reports breaking news about how a recent update has destroyed something, then I also install it eventually on my PC, and again, only at the moment when I am ready to reboot it.

      Now, the way Microsoft handles driver updates is doubly bad. First of all, a whole lot of drivers come as a part of a software suite that includes a configuration utility app and the actual driver. But microsoft often just wants to push you an updated driver, without the utility. Now imagine what happens when you combine an out of date driver settings app with the latest driver? I personally don't want to be the first one to find out.

      Another, much bigger problem with the Microsoft driver updates is that Microsoft often keeps trying to push you completely old and out of date drivers. How many times I have seen the Windows update offering to install three years old AMD Radeon drivers, even though I already have a more recent AMD Catalyst suite, with drivers.

  14. TELEMETRY == No, Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given the forced telemetry, Windows 10 doesn't even exist for me.

    And forced driver updates is so absurd!

    Forced anything is wrong!

    The privacy cost of telemetry greatly outweighs the savings in QA. The stability cost of forced driver updates greatly outweighs the benefits of making all Windows installations synchronized (making the PC a predictable target, like a console/phone).

    It is so sad that people at Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Unity, Apple, etc., can accept the immorality of some of their data collection efforts. And it's especially sad when the justification basically amounts to, "everybody else is doing it".

    When a user uses a service which explicitly requires the user to volunteer information essential to use the service (e.g., user enters search terms in to a search engine), there is transparency. But beacons on every web page, and browser fingerprinting, and ultrasonic sounds from web page to microphone, and sending every keystroke in an address bar or every spoken word to Microsoft/Google/Apple/Canonical/Amazon/LG/Samsung/Sony is very wrong.

  15. That's nice by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    I've already opted out of their damn mandatory updates.

    The tablet I use ( Wacom Studio Pro ) simply isn't allowed to connect to the internet. I transfer all files I create on the tablet to my main system via USB stick or just upload it to the local NAS. I do not, and will never, allow a Windows 10 system to talk unrestricted outside of my local network.

    As such, the tablet performs flawlessly and I don't worry about some untested bullshit Redmond pushes out that will deny me use of my hardware. In the event I ever load software that requires a periodic connection to a server, I'll simply block everything except the server address ( or the address block of the company that owns the software, Eg: Adobe ) let it say hello, then go dark again until the next hello is required.

    When MS starts getting fined or slammed with lawsuits for releasing shoddy updates, they may be a bit more stringent in their QA testing before they release it.

  16. How 'bout opting out of data harvesting? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will Microsoft allow me to opt out of the egregious data harvesting?

    1. Re:How 'bout opting out of data harvesting? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, this starts to remind me of an old GDR joke. You have to know that toilet paper was in short supply back then and politicians promised anything and everything but never once mentioned toilet paper with but a word.

      Speaker: Comrades! In only 5 years, everyone will have his own three-room flat!
      Man in the crowd: Yeah, but what about the toilet paper?
      Speaker: And comrades! In only 10 years, everyone will have his very own car!
      Man: Ok, but the toilet paper?
      Speaker (enraged): Kiss my ass (literally: Lick my ass!)
      Man: Typical, they have a solution for party members but what about us?

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  17. Use Windows 10 LTSB by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www.howtogeek.com/27382...

    Did you know there’s a version of Windows 10 that doesn’t get big feature updates, and doesn’t even have the Windows Store or Microsoft Edge browser? It’s called Windows 10 LTSB, short for Long Term Servicing Branch.

    1. Re:Use Windows 10 LTSB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      http://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/
      Did you know thereâ(TM)s a version of Windows 10 that doesnâ(TM)t get big feature updates, and doesnâ(TM)t even have the Windows Store or Microsoft Edge browser? Itâ(TM)s called Windows 10 LTSB, short for Long Term Servicing Branch.

      Did you know there are other editions of Windows that give the exact same feature list you provided?
      It's called Windows 7, or XP, or 2000.

      And you know what those also have in common with Windows 10 LTSB?
      You can't fucking buy any of them!

      I included your linked article in the above quote, purely to copy/paste from your own helpfully provided article:

      Unfortunately, thereâ(TM)s no legitimate way for the average Windows user to get it. Thatâ(TM)s no surpriseâ"Microsoft doesnâ(TM)t even want businesses using Windows 10 LTSB for most of their PCs

      Even the enterprising company I work for is a couple hundred employees shy of the 1000 minimum employee requirement to qualify for enterprise licensing.

      Not to mention the $2k/month fees and the $200/user account charges that come with enterprise licencing even if you qualify.

      But have fun with the yearly audits by Microsoft lawyers that threaten to sue you for buying licenses and then using your software exactly as the licence dictates!

      (From a different company I worked for before, I have a scanned letter from a court where Microsoft tried to sue us for having 12 users authorized on a SQL server that had 40 user CALs with receipts from their own "Open Licencing" store, and another letter a month later dropping the lawsuit. They did the exact same thing two years later. It cost us an additional $60k in legal fees each of those years for following the law!)

      Enterprise licencing can and does cost you over a million dollars a year for the smallest of networks and user bases possible once you include the yearly legal fees.

    2. Re:Use Windows 10 LTSB by schwit1 · · Score: 2

      Unofficially, any Windows user can get Windows 10 LTSB if they want. Microsoft offers ISO images with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB as part of its 90-day Enterprise evaluation program. You can download the ISO file-be sure to select "Windows 10 LTSB" instead of "Windows 10" when downloading-and install it on your own PC. It'll function normally for 90 days, after which it'll begin nagging you to activate Windows. But Windows 10 is perfectly functional even without activation, so you should be able to use it as long as you like without entering a product key. You'll just have to put up with nag screens.

  18. Re:Doesn't help me by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wait, your Windows asks you? Mine just shuts down on me and takes all my work with it to the depths of Hades. Unless of course I want it to.

    That comic says it better than I ever could.

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  19. Win 7 by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2


    Make windows great again!

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