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Scientists Calculate the Moon To Be 4.51 Billion Years Old (go.com)

Scientists used rocks and soil collected by the Apollo 14 moonwalkers in 1971 to calculate the age of the moon. It turns out that it is much older than scientists suspected, coming in at 4.51 billion years old. ABC News reports: A research team reported Wednesday that the moon formed within 60 million years of the birth of the solar system. Previous estimates ranged within 100 million years, all the way out to 200 million years after the solar system's creation, not quite 4.6 billion years ago. The scientists conducted uranium-lead dating on fragments of the mineral zircon extracted from Apollo 14 lunar samples. The pieces of zircon were minuscule -- no bigger than a grain of sand. The moon was created from debris knocked off from Earth, which itself is thought to be roughly 4.54 billion years old. Some of the eight zircon samples were used in a previous study, also conducted at UCLA, that utilized more limited techniques. Melanie Barboni, lead author of the study from the University of California, Los Angeles, said she is studying more zircons from Apollo 14 samples, but doesn't expect it to change her estimate of 4.51 billion years for the moon's age, possibly 4.52 billion years at the most. The study was published today in the journal Science.

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  1. So, much earlier by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    Giant impact theory gets bonus points.

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  2. Another One? by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 2

    This will probably get me downvoted as a troll but I've begun to drown out the following: 1. New Moon Formation/Age Theory 2. New Dinosaur Extinction Theory 3. New Asteroid On Possible Future Collision with Earth Estimations 4. New Solid State Physics Miracle that Promises Amazing Possibilities 100 Years in the Future. They just seem to disappear and are never heard from again or become part of the background noise of science.

    1. Re:Another One? by Fragnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't mark you down but I disagree. Keep an open mind and remember that paradigms break and conventional wisdom is often wrong.

    2. Re:Another One? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      They just seem to disappear and are never heard from again or become part of the background noise of science.

      You crave surety.. And that is very hard to come by in matters scientific. Mainly because new evidence happens all the time.

      When humans need lack of change, that's what religion is for. Even though it too changes over time, it is a slow process, usually measured over lifetimes, so you can pick a religion, and stick with it come hell or high water.

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  3. Stupid question by demon+driver · · Score: 2

    Couldn't the 4.6 billion years old stuff just have come from a 4.6 billion years old original source (say, Earth), while the moon still came into existence only, say, several hundred million years ago, having been formed out of something which perchance included that stuff?

    1. Re:Stupid question by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uranium-lead dating of zircon counts from the time the mineral (specifically, the zircon crystals) was formed - that is, the time the rock solidified. Any natural event which could get rocks from earth to orbit is going to involve such high energy that the material would certainly be melted. If the moon formed from slow accumulation, these are surface rocks and would still have been melted on impact. Either way, the radiometric clock starts ticking as soon as the material cools to the point of solidification.

    2. Re:Stupid question by Biogoly · · Score: 5, Informative

      The radiometric dating is done on zircon mineral crystals. These crystals would form naturally after the molten rock of the early moon cooled...just like on earth. So the date of 4.51 billion years is the time the molten moon cooled and the zircon (which was ejected from earth in what must have been a massive collision) formed. The oldest rock on earth has zircon that is dated to 4.54 billion years ago.To quote wikipedia: "Zircon incorporates uranium and thorium atoms into its crystal structure, but strongly rejects lead. Therefore, one can assume that the entire lead content of the zircon is radiogenic, i.e. it is produced solely by a process of radioactive decay after the formation of the mineral. Thus the current ratio of lead to uranium in the mineral can be used to determine its age."

    3. Re:Stupid question by wvmarle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This also puts the age of both the earth and the moon at "when the first rocks formed", not "when the celestial body formed" which imho is when a significant amount of space debris, possibly molten, clumps together to form something resembling a planet. There's probably no way to really figure that one out.

      As the moon is supposedly formed from material from the earth, it could be argued to be the same age (it being from the same clump of material, plus some of the asteroid that caused the split - which in turn may have contained material that solidified much earlier, of course).

      In that line of thought, how can we be sure that these moon rocks and earth's oldest rocks are really formed on these bodies and are not fragments of much older objects that were caught in the respective gravity fields?

  4. Not a day over 4 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it asks, I say it doesn't look a day over 4 billion. After all, the moon is a harsh mistress.

    1. Re:Not a day over 4 billion by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Only if you're buzzfeed, and get disavowed by every other media organization.

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  5. Re: God created the moon by EzInKy · · Score: 2

    Clearly it is said that God created man in his own image. Women were simply an afterthought taken from a left over spare rib. Perhaps He ran out of BBQ sauce?

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  6. Uranium-lead dating by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trump wants to make gay marriage illegal, I expect he will make Uranium-lead dating illegal too.

    1. Re: Uranium-lead dating by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Please let Rule 34 not apply this time, please let Rule 34 not apply this time...

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    2. Re: Uranium-lead dating by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      Too late. Someone is already working on porn featuring Lead from the Metal Men and his life mate Uranium.

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  7. Re: God created the moon by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well the God of the Bible is clearly an egomaniac, thankfully He is not the only one man has invented.

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  8. Re:That's pretty old by wvmarle · · Score: 2

    I like the current one. It's tried and tested, all the bugs have been ironed out. Not likely to cause any upsets any time soon. It ain't broke, why fix it?

  9. Re:That's pretty old by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    Inconsistent colour, apparent size varies year to year and even month to month. Seems pretty buggy to me.

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  10. Re:So many theories... so many on the payroll list by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    You sure he gets paid for that?

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  11. Re:That's pretty old by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    You kidding? That's one hell of an uptime! Don't you dare thinking about replacing it!

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  12. Everything I know about uranium-lead dating... by sh00z · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I learned from watching "Creature From the Black Lagoon." That movie has surprisingly accurate science for a Universal monster flick. Double-checking fossil age estimates against the surrounding rock. Whoa, I didn't catch that when I was eight! The leading-man "good guy" scientist is searching for additional information about the transition from water-breathers to air-breathers in the evolutionary record for tidbits that could prove useful in adapting the human body for deep-space exploration.

  13. Lunar birthday cake by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 2

    If you make a cake with 4.5 billion candles, and each candle was 1 lumen; it would give off 4.5 Gigalumens.

    If the full moon lights the earth with 0.1 lux (I have found several values, but this one will do) then I calculate the moon reflects the equivalent of 50 Gigalumens. This is not quite your classical lumen, which gives off light in all directions, but that's only a factor of 2.

    So the cake would be 9% as bright as the full moon.