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Hamas 'Honey Trap' Dupes Israeli Soldiers (securityweek.com)

wiredmikey quotes Security Week: The smartphones of dozens of Israeli soldiers were hacked by Hamas militants pretending to be attractive young women online, an Israeli military official said Wednesday. Using fake profiles on Facebook with alluring photos, Hamas members contacted the soldiers via groups on the social network, luring them into long chats, the official told journalists on condition of anonymity.

Dozens of the predominantly lower-ranked soldiers were convinced enough by the honey trap to download fake applications which enabled Hamas to take control of their phones, according to the official.

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  1. Dozens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How will Israel ever recover?!

    1. Re:Dozens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By killing some Palestinians, taking some land, and building a settlement on it. It's only the justification that varies: Cyber-terrorists?

    2. Re:Dozens! by Shane_Optima · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is Hamas we're talking about here. They're based in Gaza, not the West Bank. Israel has not "taken" any land in Gaza for a very long time. On the contrary, they withdrew entirely from Gaza in 2005, and it was this withdrawal that allowed the murderous Hamas party to be immediately voted into power.

      Now please, let's move on to your next talking about the blockade or perhaps "the world's largest open-air prison" so that I can remind everyone of Gaza's other border.

    3. Re: Dozens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a pretty one-sided version of events. Israel denies Gazans airspace, access to their coastline, and blocks imports. Palestinian children are stunted growth because the Israeli government blocked even pasta from coming in.

      And yes, Palestinians elected Hamas because they wanted to throw out the existing corrupt party, and since Israelis elected a right winger who said he'd force concessions from Palestinians they voted the same right back.

    4. Re: Dozens! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

      And why shouldn't Israel do that? After all Hamas denies Israel and its population the right to exist.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    5. Re: Dozens! by Shane_Optima · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, I see we're at the second talking point already.

      Why can't they get their food and other imports from Egypt, with whom they share a common border (as well as a common language, ethnicity and religion)? Where are the legions of delusional and astroturfing internet trolls protesting Egypt's blockade? Why is everything automagically the Jews' fault, every goddamn time?

      Hamas, the democratically elected government of Gaza, has sworn to kill all Jews. Not just Israelis, Jews. It's thus entirely reasonable for Israeli to deny Nazi Germany's retarded little brother[1] access to all imports from their side (but of course, they don't even go nearly that far.)

      1. My profound apologies to both actual retards and actual Nazis for the comparison.

    6. Re: Dozens! by nbauman · · Score: 2

      http://www.sciencemag.org/cont...
      Science 24 August 2007:
      Vol. 317 no. 5841 pp. 1039-1040
      DOI: 10.1126/science.1144241

      Policy Forum
      Sacred Barriers to Conflict Resolution
      Scott Atran, Robert Axelrod, Richard Davis
      Resolution of quarrels arising from conflicting sacred values, as in the Middle East, may require concessions that acknowledge the opposition's core concerns

      We went to the Middle East in February 2007 to directly probe issues of material trade-offs and symbolic concessions with leaders of the major parties to the Israel-Palestine dispute. We asked 14 interviewees in Syria, Palestine, and Israel to verify statements for citation. No off-the-record statements contradicted these.

      Responses were consistent with our previous findings (1), with one important difference. Previously, people with sacred values had responded "No" to the proposed trade-off; "No" accompanied by emotional outrage and increased support for violence to the trade-off coupled with a substantial and credible material incentive; and "Yes, perhaps" to trade-offs that also involve symbolic concessions (of no material benefit) from the other side. Leaders responded in the same way, except that the symbolic concession was not enough in itself, but only a necessary condition to opening serious negotiations involving material issues as well. For example, Musa Abu Marzouk (former chairman, and current deputy chairman, of Hamas) said "No" to a trade-off for peace without granting a right of return; a more emphatic "No, we do not sell ourselves for any amount," when given a trade-off with a substantial material incentive (credible offering of substantial U.S. aid for the rebuilding of Palestinian infrastructure); but "Yes, an apology is important, but only as a beginning. It's not enough, because our houses and land were taken away from us and something has to be done about that."

      Similarly, Binyamin Netanyahu (former Israeli prime minister and current opposition leader in parliament) responded to our question, "Would you seriously consider accepting a two-state solution following the 1967 borders if all major Palestinian factions, including Hamas, were to recognize the right of the Jewish people to an independent state in the region?" with the answer: "Yes, but the Palestinians would have to show that they sincerely mean it, change their textbooks and anti-Semitic characterizations and then allow some border adjustments so that Ben Gurion [Airport] would be out of range of shoulder-fired missiles."

      http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05...
      Who Wants to Be a Martyr?
      By Scott Atran
      May 5, 2003

      One given in the war against terrorism seems to be that suicide attackers are evil, deluded or homicidal misfits who thrive in poverty, ignorance and anarchy.

      (Actually they are well-adjusted, successful, and educated. Reviews the evidence based on interviews with terrorists.)

    7. Re: Dozens! by Shane_Optima · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of food? The USA will cut off all aid and risk allowing Islamist goons to take over Egypt if they send food into Gaza? Uh huh.

      If one cares about helping the people of Gaza, the logical route is to go through Egypt, who regardless of any American pressures that may exist do not have the real or imagined prejudices that the Israelis do. The tactic to use, if this were really about helping the Palestinians (as opposed to it being primarily about screwing with Israel for the nth time) would be to shame Egyptians into acting, to never stop talking about the Egyptian blockade of Gaza. Regardless of whether or not US pressure is involved, this tactic stands a far, far greater chance of actually working and helping all of those millions of stunted Palestinian children the OP alleged.

      It's a test of intellectual honesty, one of many tests that the popular Palestinian rights movement fails at spectacularly. The Egyptians are not only equally complicit, they are (at least in theory) much easier to persuade than the Zionist Entity. The null hypothesis is that this is a cocktail of masochistic bullshit invented for political purposes, and you've failed to reject that null hypothesis.

    8. Re: Dozens! by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      A country that is being attacked has a right to defend itself.

      Exactly.

      That's correct. Israel is blockading Gaza. A blockade is an act of war, under international law.

      Which is an example of a country defending itself from outside attackers. Did you already forget the 1000s of rockets fired at Israel not long ago?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    9. Re: Dozens! by wyHunter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I haven't seen any concentration camps, nor genocide happening in Israel or any of the territories. Perhaps if folks stopped blowing up buses in Israel?

    10. Re: Dozens! by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      As I documented in those articles I posted, the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis killed is about ten to one. Most of those thousands of rockets fall harmlessly without injuring anyone. A few of them injured Israelis, and even fewer killed Israelis. The Israelis respond with massive retaliation, killing dozens, hundreds or thousands of Palestinians.

      Meaningless statistic. Being better at war isn't a crime. Firing rockets is an act of war, even if they are destroyed. Do you expect an aircraft carrier to sit and let an enemy boat fire missiles at it all day and not respond because the CWS is able to take out the missiles?

      As I also documented, the Palestinians have made many proposals to stop the fighting, and Israel has responded by killing the Palestinians who made peace offers and escalating the fighting. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11... [nytimes.com] Israel's Shortsighted Assassination By Gershon Baskin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      So has Israel, what is your point? Ever peace negotiation has ended with the Palestinians storming off with a refusal to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty. You can't negotiate with people who refuse to acknowledge your rights.

      Look, just admit it, you are blind to one side's attacks and only see the "horror" of Israel attacking in self defense.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  2. Re:To what end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The hacked phones gave up their GPS and call history data. This data could be used to plan attacks or kidnapping.

  3. Re:To what end? by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The specific suggestions in the previous email are valid.

    There are also possibilities of blackmail if they learn something about the soldiers. Then there is just the tactical value of having more information about the enemy - having the cells suddenly turn off might be in indication of an impending operation.

  4. The perils of success by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hamas only has power because Israel continues to tolerate it. If Hamas were to become an actual threat, Israel would tell Hamas' protectors (UN, EU) to go fuck themselves and destroy it.

    1. Re:The perils of success by bug1 · · Score: 2

      Hamas only has power because Israel continues to tolerate it.

      Israel can choose to be fascist dictators, or it can choose to be civilised.

      Sadly, they have already made there choice obvious.

    2. Re:The perils of success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean, kinda like, wait for it, ..., a final solution?

      Ba dum tss.

  5. Super Awesome Improvement!!! by gavron · · Score: 2

    I'd rather the Hamas terrorists sit around hacking Israeli army enlisted men's smartphones than strap explosives to themselves and go kill innocent civilians in populated cities.

    Exploding bus = brutally murdered people and body parts everywhere while the terrorists and their sympathizers dance in the streets and Iran pays them.
    Hacked smartphone = nobody dead.

    This applies to all terrorists, be they Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, French-muslims, etc.

    Please, terrorists, do go on and continue your oh-so-super hacking.

    Swords to plowshares indeed.

    E

  6. Re: Gaza to be attacked in 3... 2... 1.. by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Interesting that you picked the example of Gaza for your headline. That's the area that Israel FULLY VACATED a few years ago, to the extent of relocating Jewish graves. What did they get in return? Rocket attacks on Sderot and other border areas. Had Hamas eliminated all attacks from Gaza, they would have gotten more settlement freezes in the West Bank

    The real dirty secret is that all Pali groups want to wipe out Israel as a Jewish state, and replace it w/ an Arab Islamic state. The only difference b/w Hamas vs Fatah vs Islamic Jihad is whether the resulting country would look like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Saddam's Iraq. The clause in Hamas' charter

    'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

    is something directly taken out of the Hadiths. And before you start playing the 'this is an inauthentic hadith', it's taken from Sahih Bukhari, which is one of the primary 'sahih' (authentic) hadiths.

  7. Re:To what end? by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yep. There are lots of ways of using data from the phones. Establish patterns of movement, and then be able to spot when movement patterns change. Spot when phones are turned of en-masse. Identify family members in order to kidnap or otherwise coerce the military person into changing behavior for one's benefit. Possibly even get lucky, if the military member uses the phone to access sensitive servers through some kind of VPN, steal their credentials.

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  8. Horny soldiers should go to the Gaza strip club by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Why attack somewhere named for it's strippers?