Debian 8.7 Released (debian.org)

Debian 8.7 has been released. An anonymous reader quotes Debian.org: This update mainly adds corrections for security problems to the stable release, along with a few adjustments for serious problems. Security advisories were already published separately and are referenced where available. Please note that this update does not constitute a new version of Debian 8 but only updates some of the packages included.

There is no need to throw away old "jessie" CDs or DVDs but only to update via an up-to-date Debian mirror after an installation, to cause any out of date packages to be updated. Those who frequently install updates from security.debian.org won't have to update many packages and most updates from security.debian.org are included in this update.
86 packages have been updated -- including some fixes for systemd. ("Rework logic to determine when we decide to add automatic deps for mounts; various ordering fixes for ifupdown; systemctl: Fix argument handling when invoked as shutdown...")

Comments

Re:One can hope

[Anonymous Coward]

I like systemd, but I went through the SMF transition with Solaris and the complaints were basically the same. Systemd is lightyears better than anything it replaced. If you're an honest person, you'd probably come to the same conclusion.

Re:One can hope

[geek]

And here its made my life much easier and I've had zero issues with it. I hate Pottering as much as anyone but if something he's done has made my life easier, the way systemd has, then kudo's to him.

Your post however contributes nothing.

Re:One can hope

[lucm]

Your post however contributes nothing.

My post doesn't try to take Linux over one feature at a time by replacing things that were not broken with more and more legs of the same octopus. I'm happy if systemd made your own life easier but that doesn't mean everyone should bend over and take it quietly.

Re:One can hope

[Motherfucking Shit]

More importantly to me, I've used the old pile of shit for 20 years. I know how it works, I know its quirks and shortcomings, and I'm comfortable with all of that.

I have no particular aversion to trying new things. I ran ntpd for years, now I use chrony. I ran exim for years, now I use postfix. I ran apache for years, now I use both apache and nginx. I ran cvs for years, then svn for years, and am now aboard the git train. I was able to gradually step through all of those changes and take time to learn them properly. And when something went wrong along the way, the problem was isolated and I could troubleshoot it in isolation.

systemd on the other hand wants to implant itself underneath every aspect of the OS like a kludgey layer of Elmer's paste, where even such basic functionality as DNS resolution wants to worm its way through an unnecessary and complex intermediary service. Not to mention that when systemd goes tits up, it has a tendency to take the entire machine with it.

No thanks.

Re:One can hope

[nadaou]

What was a better way, the UNIX way, was having multiple interchangeable options for any particular cog in the machine. No reliance on a sole supplier. In Debian even HURD or BSD could be swapped out for the Linux kernel in a semi-official, if experimental, way.

Avoiding a mono-culture has huge industry implications for surviving horrific infrastructure bugs, engaging competition and A/B tests, and filling niches with the best tool for the day's particular job. If systemd was truly optional in official Debian there would be no crisis, no endless talking past each other hate filled forum threads. Instead there was an unfortunate slim-vote by a Debian technical committee and major community damage to the project with a large number of DDs and contributors losing passion for the greater project. Which is the real horror and tragedy of the thing.

Re:One can hope

[johannesg]

"The UNIX way" was to have multiple, not quite compatible, complete operating systems from multiple vendors such as HPUX, Solaris, IRIX, etc. Porting your software between those was a considerable effort, and in fact a whole standardisation body (posix) has sprung up around efforts to make those systems at least nominally compatible. And in later years, the Linux way was quite similar, with LSB attempting to keep distributions at least nominally compatible with each other, but the effort of porting an application from one distribution to another still going by the name of "porting".

I have no idea in which dimension your UNIX way happened, but it wasn't this one.

Re:One can hope

[thegarbz]

The old pile of shit was willing to keep its fingers out of other people's pies if you wanted to try something else along side it.

Oh? I never realised that systemd was the only way to start and stop programs? You want to use systemd just to boot the system and then revert to using xinetd to dynamically start your services, followed by a lot of rc scripts (fun fact, systemd can simply run them for you). Then you go right ahead. It's a very strange form of sadism but I'm not going to judge.

It also understood imperatives. If you tell it run something NOW, it does just that, every time.

Yep, one of it's worst features that lead to a lot of dependency related headaches and failed startups simply because something was done in the wrong order.
But again if you wish to generate errors there's a handy command for you:

"systemctl start process_i_want_to_screwup --job-mode=ignore-dependencies --force"

But I get it, reading a manual is hard.

Re:One can hope

[Anonymous Coward]

Christ Almighty. Overreact much? If you don't like it, either switch to a distro that doesn't use it or move to BSD.

I was expecting systemd to be a steaming turd based on all the hysterical screaming and tears from parts of the Linux community. The reality is I've been using it at home just fine for a while now, and we have production servers at work using it without a hitch.

Re:One can hope

[nadaou]

You are twisting the meaning to fit a particular straw man you want to knock down. I obviously wasn't talking about Berkley vs. Bell Labs UNIX as being interchangeable cogs and was talking about the philosophy governing the interaction of the various sub and support systems within a modern Linux deployment.

Re:One can hope

[thegarbz]

Systemd has turned out to be one of the best advertising campaigns for the *BSDs.

And yet it's market share is quite stable measured at 0.00% and has for the past 3 years for internet servers.
As much as I see this message come up over and over again, the number of people who legitimately shifted to BSD can be counted using your appendages. In the real world BSD's market share increased by only a few people who got upset because they refused to read a manual and decided that changing the OS was the only way forward.

Hurrah.

Re:One can hope

[K. S. Kyosuke]

BSD: Because SystemD? ;)